ESO Sorcerer PvP Build with UNLIMITED Sustain - Homestead Update!

loki547

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I use 1 grothdarr 1 infernal guardian. People still don't get that max magicka is king for sorc when it comes to damage and survivability smh

Which shield absorbs more damage: a 15k one, or a 13.5k one with Major Protection?

Bonus points for almost 2k resistances when your shields are down.

And the argument can be made that those more durable shields give you greater freedom to safely deal damage and go aggressive, making the damage arguably irrelevant. Arguably. But are a few hundred points on your tooltips worth giving up Major Protection?

Well if the proc rate were 50% I'd tend to agree with you. Or 20%, or heck even 10%. Fact is 6% chance with a cooldown is not worth having the constant extra DPS and bigger shields. 2k magicka from 1 grothdarr and 1 internal is almost 3000k on my build. 3k magicka = 300 spell damage and 2k more tooltip on my shield, which is fairly significant. Add in the fact that its supposedly not even working as intended and my very well not apply to damage shields for Homestead and gg.

Have you play tested it? It procs on any instances of damage, so it procs super quickly if you're taking consistent damage and then has a really long duration to work within. The extra damage is the only argument against it, which comes down to preference.

Slimecraw on your build would be disgusting too, by the way. Pirate is way more survivability than 2x max magicka, and slime is way more damage than 2x max magicka. Using your magicka bonuses is a middle ground...but you don't build to be well rounded or reach a middle ground. That's how players like Faso build. You go balls to the wall max magicka. So I'm left asking what are you trying to achieve with your build? Just max magicka for the sake of max magicka?

Slimecraw was actually a DPS loss on my max magicka build, tested and confirmed by yours truly. I'm testing Slimecraw with a non max magicka DPS build right now for open world when I'm forced by Sabre to slum it in Azura's since my max magicka build is gimped too much without CP. What I build for highest burst DPS in open world, which is a combination of spell damage and max magicka. QAM I believe goes for max magicka all the way, you do get bigger shields but less damage since your spell damage is lower. But again it all comes down to preference and playstyle. Some people like to be super tanky on sorc which is fine! I have a little stam DK if I want to tank. Plus if I survive being swarming by enemies on my sorc I like it to be because of my skill, choices, reaction, and reflexes, not because of RNG on a set. ymmv.

Jesus 2x flat max magicka bonuses outweigh 8% bonus damage? At what point do bonus magicka amplifiers surpass minor berserk? I.e. Which abilities out of bound armor and inner light and meteor etc do you need on the bar to cross that point, and how close is the comparison in your build? Slimecraw blows magicka bonuses out of the water in a 42k magicka build. I'd have thought it would continue outscaling magicka since it's a large multiplicative bonus that applies after all your max magicka bonuses, but I could be wrong since I haven't pushed magicka so high.

Also how'd you test? Looking at tooltips or full combos or what? I'm curious of how these numbers line up.

Well there´s a lot of flat % max magica to be found in the game. It´s inevitable at some point max magica outperforms literally everything else (and with every CP cap increase magica becomes more desirable compared to atleast spelldmg).

I´m suprised you can outperform 8% flat dmg thought - that points at the bonus being calculated wrong.

Bigger basedmg = more to get multiplied
bigger magica pool to begin with = less dmg increase in total per magica bonus

In theory it should not be possible to work as described by tamerlin.

The question is where is the break point? 52K? 55K? Where does two 1K max Magicka bonuses break out ahead of 8% flat? It seems like the higher you go max Magicka, the LESS losing 2,000 MM (200 spell damage) will affect a build over a flat 8% increase.

What the eff are you talking about Min?
2000 MM off of a 54.000 MM build is a 3.7% loss
52,000? 3.8%
40,000? 5%

The less MM you have, the bigger damage impact of removing 2K MM.

So if you're telling me you'd rather have 4% more damage and roughly 4% higher shields rather than 8% damage. I'll buy that. That sounds balanced.

So I have to ask: Was the testing done with magicka enchants on slimecraw? Did you use a medium and heavy slimecraw, so you could keep the undaunted bonus?

PS: I thought ZOS patched out all of the % increase MM sets except for like.. ancient grace (which is like 4%, or 80 Magicka lost taking out 2,000). Necropotence is a flat amount. Destro mastery is a flat amount, etc.

Creating a build where two max magicka bonuses surpass Minor Berserk in damage added is more complex than simply hitting a max magicka threshold.

Slimecraw amplifies tooltip damage, which is a function of max magicka and spell damage. Both of these are functions of flat additions and percentage amplifiers.

So I recognize three thresholds at play. You hit on a middle ground between two, but I intend to draw a distinction and make a guess about Tam's build:

1) The build must not exceed a certain threshold of spell damage, as spell damage will increase Slimecraw's contribution to damage independent of any max magicka bonuses.

2) The build must contain a sufficient threshold of percentage max magicka amplifiers, such as Inner Light and Bound Armor, to pump maximum value out of our two max magicka bonuses. I count 39% from IL + Bound Armor + meteor + entropy + Undaunted passives + racials + Ancient Grace. I consider that barely practical for PvP, but I could be forgetting some.

3) The build must not exceed a certain threshold of other flat magicka bonuses from gear, as these will be amplified alongside our two Undaunted max magicka bonuses, will contribute damage to the build independent of them, and will increase Slimecraw's contribution independent of them.

These three thresholds are not set in stone, but instead vary relative to each other. The more spell damage you have, the more damage Slime will contribute, so the more max magicka amplifiers you'll need to make two max magicka bonuses stronger. But also, the more spell damage you have, the fewer other sources of flat max magicka you can have because they increase Slime's contribution without affecting the undaunted bonuses' contributions as well.

Accumulating other flat max magicka bonuses is a complicated reaction. A build like Necro + Physique can top 60k max magicka without Bound Armor or Inner Light on the bar. That's a lot of base tooltip damage from magicka, but our two undaunted magicka bonuses won't be amplified much.. In order for Slime to be inferior in such a build, spell damage would have to be severely minimized, and there will come a max magicka threshold which the other flat bonuses must not exceed.

Then there are builds like Necro + Ancient Grace + master staves with tons of Mages Guild abilities and Bound Armor on the bar. These also top 60k magicka. However because flat magicka contributions are lower than the above example but percentage amplifiers are higher, our two undaunted magicka bonuses will hold a lot of relative weight compared to other sources of spell damage and max magicka.

I would wager Tammy is using at least one low max magicka set like Lich. I know he's not using a big magicka set like Necro, Physique, or Trainee because he isn't using pets and has lower max health. He might be using Ancient Grace, but I don't know how that set weighs up against Willpower for his build. Grace requires a big magicka bonus to be efficient, but a big magicka bonus would work in Slime's favor just like Willpower.. Complicated!

TLDR: I haven't tested for specific numbers, but I project that a build where two 1pc max magicka bonuses offer greater tooltip damage than Slimecraw will contain low spell damage, very high percentage max magicka amplifiers, and (crucially) only moderate other sources of flat max magicka from gear. And the more of either spell damage or max magicka that it has, the less effective those 1pc magicka bonuses become, and the more effective Slime becomes.

I leave you guys to draw conclusions from all this.

Very interesting to think about over a lunch break.

I have been running slimecraw open world for the last few days on my max magicka build and damage does feel higher than 2 max magicka pieces. I'm also not a vamp so the health regen isnt bad addition at all. I was actually running it when I ran with you and Red on Had the other night. Without slimecraw I just run all max magicka pieces basically 4 Necropotence, 3 Willpower, 3 Shadowdancer, 2 magicka Monster Pieces. Mage Mundus 5/1/1 for max undaunted all Infused or Divines on my pieces. That puts me at 55.2k max magicka on my DPS bar(more next patch with CP increase) and 3k Spell dmg. For regen I just use witchmothers brew, high elf passive, CP and dark exchange. Mag regen is 1400, def not a typical setup but it works for me. QAM has never shared his setup with me but it appears he runs a similiar build but with 2 Willpower Swords and 3 Grace of the Ancients Jewelry and a Masters Resto Staff which pushes him to 56-57k magicka for bigger shields but lower spell damage. It all comes down to player preference and playstyle really. There are several mechanics that only magicka buffs like pets I believe (though Atronoch ult goes off both spell dmg and magicka), damage shields, undaunted synergy passive.

Derra

loki547 wrote: »

[. Another one people may or may not know is Dark Exchange. God Bless the late great Ezareth for testing this but Dark Exchange returns a % of max Health and Magicka costing a % of stamina in return. So the higher your magicka, the more efficient the magicka return for dark exchange becomes. Also the LOWER your stamina, the less Dark exchange costs since it's a % based cost. Another reason why I like to run high magicka low stam.

Afaik this has been changed to a flat value a long long time ago (basically when it was changed to no longer be channeled).

Minalan

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loki547 wrote: »

[. Another one people may or may not know is Dark Exchange. God Bless the late great Ezareth for testing this but Dark Exchange returns a % of max Health and Magicka costing a % of stamina in return. So the higher your magicka, the more efficient the magicka return for dark exchange becomes. Also the LOWER your stamina, the less Dark exchange costs since it's a % based cost. Another reason why I like to run high magicka low stam.

Afaik this has been changed to a flat value a long long time ago (basically when it was changed to no longer be channeled).

You are correct of course, but the return is great.

loki547

I stand corrected, it's been about that long since I tested it heh. Dark Exchange is also great to get around mag drain poisons (since it's a stam ability)

NightbladeMechanics

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Derra wrote: »

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loki547 wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

loki547 wrote: »

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loki547 wrote: »

I use 1 grothdarr 1 infernal guardian. People still don't get that max magicka is king for sorc when it comes to damage and survivability smh

Which shield absorbs more damage: a 15k one, or a 13.5k one with Major Protection?

Bonus points for almost 2k resistances when your shields are down.

And the argument can be made that those more durable shields give you greater freedom to safely deal damage and go aggressive, making the damage arguably irrelevant. Arguably. But are a few hundred points on your tooltips worth giving up Major Protection?

Well if the proc rate were 50% I'd tend to agree with you. Or 20%, or heck even 10%. Fact is 6% chance with a cooldown is not worth having the constant extra DPS and bigger shields. 2k magicka from 1 grothdarr and 1 internal is almost 3000k on my build. 3k magicka = 300 spell damage and 2k more tooltip on my shield, which is fairly significant. Add in the fact that its supposedly not even working as intended and my very well not apply to damage shields for Homestead and gg.

Have you play tested it? It procs on any instances of damage, so it procs super quickly if you're taking consistent damage and then has a really long duration to work within. The extra damage is the only argument against it, which comes down to preference.

Slimecraw on your build would be disgusting too, by the way. Pirate is way more survivability than 2x max magicka, and slime is way more damage than 2x max magicka. Using your magicka bonuses is a middle ground...but you don't build to be well rounded or reach a middle ground. That's how players like Faso build. You go balls to the wall max magicka. So I'm left asking what are you trying to achieve with your build? Just max magicka for the sake of max magicka?

Slimecraw was actually a DPS loss on my max magicka build, tested and confirmed by yours truly. I'm testing Slimecraw with a non max magicka DPS build right now for open world when I'm forced by Sabre to slum it in Azura's since my max magicka build is gimped too much without CP. What I build for highest burst DPS in open world, which is a combination of spell damage and max magicka. QAM I believe goes for max magicka all the way, you do get bigger shields but less damage since your spell damage is lower. But again it all comes down to preference and playstyle. Some people like to be super tanky on sorc which is fine! I have a little stam DK if I want to tank. Plus if I survive being swarming by enemies on my sorc I like it to be because of my skill, choices, reaction, and reflexes, not because of RNG on a set. ymmv.

Jesus 2x flat max magicka bonuses outweigh 8% bonus damage? At what point do bonus magicka amplifiers surpass minor berserk? I.e. Which abilities out of bound armor and inner light and meteor etc do you need on the bar to cross that point, and how close is the comparison in your build? Slimecraw blows magicka bonuses out of the water in a 42k magicka build. I'd have thought it would continue outscaling magicka since it's a large multiplicative bonus that applies after all your max magicka bonuses, but I could be wrong since I haven't pushed magicka so high.

Also how'd you test? Looking at tooltips or full combos or what? I'm curious of how these numbers line up.

Well there´s a lot of flat % max magica to be found in the game. It´s inevitable at some point max magica outperforms literally everything else (and with every CP cap increase magica becomes more desirable compared to atleast spelldmg).

I´m suprised you can outperform 8% flat dmg thought - that points at the bonus being calculated wrong.

Bigger basedmg = more to get multiplied
bigger magica pool to begin with = less dmg increase in total per magica bonus

In theory it should not be possible to work as described by tamerlin.

The question is where is the break point? 52K? 55K? Where does two 1K max Magicka bonuses break out ahead of 8% flat? It seems like the higher you go max Magicka, the LESS losing 2,000 MM (200 spell damage) will affect a build over a flat 8% increase.

What the eff are you talking about Min?
2000 MM off of a 54.000 MM build is a 3.7% loss
52,000? 3.8%
40,000? 5%

The less MM you have, the bigger damage impact of removing 2K MM.

So if you're telling me you'd rather have 4% more damage and roughly 4% higher shields rather than 8% damage. I'll buy that. That sounds balanced.

So I have to ask: Was the testing done with magicka enchants on slimecraw? Did you use a medium and heavy slimecraw, so you could keep the undaunted bonus?

PS: I thought ZOS patched out all of the % increase MM sets except for like.. ancient grace (which is like 4%, or 80 Magicka lost taking out 2,000). Necropotence is a flat amount. Destro mastery is a flat amount, etc.

Creating a build where two max magicka bonuses surpass Minor Berserk in damage added is more complex than simply hitting a max magicka threshold.

Slimecraw amplifies tooltip damage, which is a function of max magicka and spell damage. Both of these are functions of flat additions and percentage amplifiers.

So I recognize three thresholds at play. You hit on a middle ground between two, but I intend to draw a distinction and make a guess about Tam's build:

1) The build must not exceed a certain threshold of spell damage, as spell damage will increase Slimecraw's contribution to damage independent of any max magicka bonuses.

2) The build must contain a sufficient threshold of percentage max magicka amplifiers, such as Inner Light and Bound Armor, to pump maximum value out of our two max magicka bonuses. I count 39% from IL + Bound Armor + meteor + entropy + Undaunted passives + racials + Ancient Grace. I consider that barely practical for PvP, but I could be forgetting some.

3) The build must not exceed a certain threshold of other flat magicka bonuses from gear, as these will be amplified alongside our two Undaunted max magicka bonuses, will contribute damage to the build independent of them, and will increase Slimecraw's contribution independent of them.

These three thresholds are not set in stone, but instead vary relative to each other. The more spell damage you have, the more damage Slime will contribute, so the more max magicka amplifiers you'll need to make two max magicka bonuses stronger. But also, the more spell damage you have, the fewer other sources of flat max magicka you can have because they increase Slime's contribution without affecting the undaunted bonuses' contributions as well.

Accumulating other flat max magicka bonuses is a complicated reaction. A build like Necro + Physique can top 60k max magicka without Bound Armor or Inner Light on the bar. That's a lot of base tooltip damage from magicka, but our two undaunted magicka bonuses won't be amplified much.. In order for Slime to be inferior in such a build, spell damage would have to be severely minimized, and there will come a max magicka threshold which the other flat bonuses must not exceed.

Then there are builds like Necro + Ancient Grace + master staves with tons of Mages Guild abilities and Bound Armor on the bar. These also top 60k magicka. However because flat magicka contributions are lower than the above example but percentage amplifiers are higher, our two undaunted magicka bonuses will hold a lot of relative weight compared to other sources of spell damage and max magicka.

I would wager Tammy is using at least one low max magicka set like Lich. I know he's not using a big magicka set like Necro, Physique, or Trainee because he isn't using pets and has lower max health. He might be using Ancient Grace, but I don't know how that set weighs up against Willpower for his build. Grace requires a big magicka bonus to be efficient, but a big magicka bonus would work in Slime's favor just like Willpower.. Complicated!

TLDR: I haven't tested for specific numbers, but I project that a build where two 1pc max magicka bonuses offer greater tooltip damage than Slimecraw will contain low spell damage, very high percentage max magicka amplifiers, and (crucially) only moderate other sources of flat max magicka from gear. And the more of either spell damage or max magicka that it has, the less effective those 1pc magicka bonuses become, and the more effective Slime becomes.

I leave you guys to draw conclusions from all this.

Very interesting to think about over a lunch break.

I have been running slimecraw open world for the last few days on my max magicka build and damage does feel higher than 2 max magicka pieces. I'm also not a vamp so the health regen isnt bad addition at all. I was actually running it when I ran with you and Red on Had the other night. Without slimecraw I just run all max magicka pieces basically 4 Necropotence, 3 Willpower, 3 Shadowdancer, 2 magicka Monster Pieces. Mage Mundus 5/1/1 for max undaunted all Infused or Divines on my pieces. That puts me at 55.2k max magicka on my DPS bar(more next patch with CP increase) and 3k Spell dmg. For regen I just use witchmothers brew, high elf passive, CP and dark exchange. Mag regen is 1400, def not a typical setup but it works for me. QAM has never shared his setup with me but it appears he runs a similiar build but with 2 Willpower Swords and 3 Grace of the Ancients Jewelry and a Masters Resto Staff which pushes him to 56-57k magicka for bigger shields but lower spell damage. It all comes down to player preference and playstyle really. There are several mechanics that only magicka buffs like pets I believe (though Atronoch ult goes off both spell dmg and magicka), damage shields, undaunted synergy passive.

Pet 2pc set (Infernal or Shadowrend) proc Necro too I think. Shadowrend can't be targeted by players, so that's a nifty way to get a free 4k magicka and save an armor slot. Dunno if you've tried that before.

Makes sense that Slime would end up as more damage regardless of how you build, as I detailed.

Have you played with Shadow mundus in your build before? How's another multiplicative bonus like crit damage scale into your burst compared to 2k magicka?

Do you build wholely max magicka with as much burst as you can pull from that, or do you seek a true maximum burst build and use max magicka as your primary damage stat?

loki547

Yea I tried 5 necro with Engine Guardian last patch, too unreliable. Shadowrend might be viable and the extra regen surely would ne nice but I think would be hard to pull off outside of duels. I'm toying around with using 5 Necropotence on my max magicka build and just using Atronoch ult as my pet, with the dmg buff next patch it would hit hard AF. It's a great ult to use 1v1 and 1vX, but not as good for bombing groups/zergs as Meteor/Destro Ult.

I'm trying a non max magicka DPS build at the moment. 5 Spinners, 5 Martial Knowledge, 2 Slimecraw. It's very bursty with martial knowledge proc (esp vs higher armored opponents) but the smaller shields are very noticeable; I could get used to it just a matter of whether or not I want to heh. I'm still using Mage mundus with that build but Shadow would probably be higher burst DPS. If I ran in groups more I'd go shadow, but 85% of my PVP is solo so the extra defense necessary.

Minalan

loki547 wrote: »

Yea I tried 5 necro with Engine Guardian last patch, too unreliable. Shadowrend might be viable and the extra regen surely would ne nice but I think would be hard to pull off outside of duels. I'm toying around with using 5 Necropotence on my max magicka build and just using Atronoch ult as my pet, with the dmg buff next patch it would hit hard AF. It's a great ult to use 1v1 and 1vX, but not as good for bombing groups/zergs as Meteor/Destro Ult.

I'm trying a non max magicka DPS build at the moment. 5 Spinners, 5 Martial Knowledge, 2 Slimecraw. It's very bursty with martial knowledge proc (esp vs higher armored opponents) but the smaller shields are very noticeable; I could get used to it just a matter of whether or not I want to heh. I'm still using Mage mundus with that build but Shadow would probably be higher burst DPS. If I ran in groups more I'd go shadow, but 85% of my PVP is solo so the extra defense necessary.

I'd go with thief for crit. Whether you use surge or entropy, the DOT heals crit 56% of the time, meaning you only need healing ward in a dire emergency. Crits always healing you is a kind of passive defense that pays for itself. Credit to Derra for this, and it works.

Dracane

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KisoValley wrote: »

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NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

@KisoValley random thought, I've also noticed that EU players tend to publish more dueling montage videos, but here in NA publishing 1v1 duels is considered tacky or classless. What do EU players think of publishing videos of duels?

EU is much more 1v1 oriented than NA. When I talk about pvp and balance in general I think of it through a 1v1 perspective, not through the cyro 1vX perspective. That's probably the reason why I disagree with you regarding nightblade changes the next patch, I have 0 idea how that would affect PvP, I only know that magblades already struggle against meta stam builds with insane burst, they don't need more nerfs. You might be right about the changes being buffs in Cyro, what do I know lol.

I disagree. Look at the best players: Hexys, Skaffa, BS/ZS members (just to name a few). They all play in groups more than solo play. Dueling? Most of them rarely duel if at all. A lot of the duelers are newer players who aren't quite as good as the rest (Jeff being an example). Some great players do duel, Dusk/Hyssia being examples but even they play in small groups now more than anything.

That's not what I mean, mate. Having tried both, I can confirm that the 1v1 community is bigger on EU than NA. Also jeff beat the *** out of hexys 1v1 but ok.

And Jeff being a new player what??? He started playing during beta and made me buy the game like 2 months afterwards. Whatever keeps your delusions going fam, but the crude reality is that there isn't a single player EU except Dracane that can beat him 1v1 currently.

I also think, that Jeff is one of the best duellists right now
I know him since before he was good with his nightblade. He struggled a lot at the beginning and it took him many looses to find his setup. But he became so good in such a short time.

Considering that many people claim, that stamina nightblade is one of the worst or the worst 1v1 class, it's even more impressive to see how he makes it work.

People will always find excuses to justify their failure. Sets, items, pets or whatever.
BUT instead of telling this person to get rid of these.... why don't you use them yourself for a 1v1 to prove how "op" they are ? Then it's easier to see who is better People must stop trying to tell others what to do. Everyone has their own style

Publius_Scipio

How do I get to the EU server? I have a valid US passport.

I am impressed by these EU folks' posts. The way they write in English would almost have me think they are really somewhere in the US smiling typing with one hand, ESPN on the TV in the back, and a hotdog in the other hand.

Derra

loki547 wrote: »

Yea I tried 5 necro with Engine Guardian last patch, too unreliable. Shadowrend might be viable and the extra regen surely would ne nice but I think would be hard to pull off outside of duels. I'm toying around with using 5 Necropotence on my max magicka build and just using Atronoch ult as my pet, with the dmg buff next patch it would hit hard AF. It's a great ult to use 1v1 and 1vX, but not as good for bombing groups/zergs as Meteor/Destro Ult.

I'm trying a non max magicka DPS build at the moment. 5 Spinners, 5 Martial Knowledge, 2 Slimecraw. It's very bursty with martial knowledge proc (esp vs higher armored opponents) but the smaller shields are very noticeable; I could get used to it just a matter of whether or not I want to heh. I'm still using Mage mundus with that build but Shadow would probably be higher burst DPS. If I ran in groups more I'd go shadow, but 85% of my PVP is solo so the extra defense necessary.

You´ve heared it here first:
5 amber 5 necro 1p max magica 6 light 1 heavy.
Twilight actually has decent survivability on pts with being able to be ported back to the player instantly on passive.

Edit: Shadow ist for most scenarios undesireable compared to thief (when looking at average damage done in a burst combo). The thoughtprocess here being that 3 out of 6 hits critting with shadow is less dmg than 4 out of 6 critting (ofc depending on the ability - but for bighits like fire heavy, curse, meteor, destroult, frags).

LegendaryMage

Dracane wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

@KisoValley random thought, I've also noticed that EU players tend to publish more dueling montage videos, but here in NA publishing 1v1 duels is considered tacky or classless. What do EU players think of publishing videos of duels?

EU is much more 1v1 oriented than NA. When I talk about pvp and balance in general I think of it through a 1v1 perspective, not through the cyro 1vX perspective. That's probably the reason why I disagree with you regarding nightblade changes the next patch, I have 0 idea how that would affect PvP, I only know that magblades already struggle against meta stam builds with insane burst, they don't need more nerfs. You might be right about the changes being buffs in Cyro, what do I know lol.

I disagree. Look at the best players: Hexys, Skaffa, BS/ZS members (just to name a few). They all play in groups more than solo play. Dueling? Most of them rarely duel if at all. A lot of the duelers are newer players who aren't quite as good as the rest (Jeff being an example). Some great players do duel, Dusk/Hyssia being examples but even they play in small groups now more than anything.

That's not what I mean, mate. Having tried both, I can confirm that the 1v1 community is bigger on EU than NA. Also jeff beat the *** out of hexys 1v1 but ok.

And Jeff being a new player what??? He started playing during beta and made me buy the game like 2 months afterwards. Whatever keeps your delusions going fam, but the crude reality is that there isn't a single player EU except Dracane that can beat him 1v1 currently.

I also think, that Jeff is one of the best duellists right now
I know him since before he was good with his nightblade. He struggled a lot at the beginning and it took him many looses to find his setup. But he became so good in such a short time.

Considering that many people claim, that stamina nightblade is one of the worst or the worst 1v1 class, it's even more impressive to see how he makes it work.

People will always find excuses to justify their failure. Sets, items, pets or whatever.
BUT instead of telling this person to get rid of these.... why don't you use them yourself for a 1v1 to prove how "op" they are ? Then it's easier to see who is better People must stop trying to tell others what to do. Everyone has their own style

You don't have a clue about skill in this game, you still play a build I told you about more than 2 years ago.

Please stop giving people sorc lessons, you're the last guy any sorc should take lessons from. No offense.

Dracane

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

@KisoValley random thought, I've also noticed that EU players tend to publish more dueling montage videos, but here in NA publishing 1v1 duels is considered tacky or classless. What do EU players think of publishing videos of duels?

EU is much more 1v1 oriented than NA. When I talk about pvp and balance in general I think of it through a 1v1 perspective, not through the cyro 1vX perspective. That's probably the reason why I disagree with you regarding nightblade changes the next patch, I have 0 idea how that would affect PvP, I only know that magblades already struggle against meta stam builds with insane burst, they don't need more nerfs. You might be right about the changes being buffs in Cyro, what do I know lol.

I disagree. Look at the best players: Hexys, Skaffa, BS/ZS members (just to name a few). They all play in groups more than solo play. Dueling? Most of them rarely duel if at all. A lot of the duelers are newer players who aren't quite as good as the rest (Jeff being an example). Some great players do duel, Dusk/Hyssia being examples but even they play in small groups now more than anything.

That's not what I mean, mate. Having tried both, I can confirm that the 1v1 community is bigger on EU than NA. Also jeff beat the *** out of hexys 1v1 but ok.

And Jeff being a new player what??? He started playing during beta and made me buy the game like 2 months afterwards. Whatever keeps your delusions going fam, but the crude reality is that there isn't a single player EU except Dracane that can beat him 1v1 currently.

I also think, that Jeff is one of the best duellists right now
I know him since before he was good with his nightblade. He struggled a lot at the beginning and it took him many looses to find his setup. But he became so good in such a short time.

Considering that many people claim, that stamina nightblade is one of the worst or the worst 1v1 class, it's even more impressive to see how he makes it work.

People will always find excuses to justify their failure. Sets, items, pets or whatever.
BUT instead of telling this person to get rid of these.... why don't you use them yourself for a 1v1 to prove how "op" they are ? Then it's easier to see who is better People must stop trying to tell others what to do. Everyone has their own style

You don't have a clue about skill in this game, you still play a build I told you about more than 2 years ago.

Please stop giving people sorc lessons, you're the last guy any sorc should take lessons from. No offense.

But weren't you the one who tried pet sorc and basically lost to everyone (at leas the ones I saw) so it seems like it's not aaaas easy as you claim. You said it was cheesy and easy etc. but if it was, then you wouldn't loose so often, wouldn't you ? Not that your vitality potion DK tank wasn't cheesy but aw, vitality potions are getting balanced soon.

Pet build is NOT easy. It's one of the most potent in 1v1, simply because you create 2 additonal targets that could absorb hits. But that's about it, it's one of the hardest to master in other situations. I don't see, why I would change my build just because you are frustrated that you can't beat me on it or because you are unable to master it like I do. One of these 2 options or both. I've been playing pet sorc since pets were complete garbage and before it was strong (it was even pathetic in 1v1 back then)

I play it in Open world, 1vx and 1v1 alike and I'm a devoted person and once I found what I want or like, I can stick with it forever

LegendaryMage

Dracane wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

@KisoValley random thought, I've also noticed that EU players tend to publish more dueling montage videos, but here in NA publishing 1v1 duels is considered tacky or classless. What do EU players think of publishing videos of duels?

EU is much more 1v1 oriented than NA. When I talk about pvp and balance in general I think of it through a 1v1 perspective, not through the cyro 1vX perspective. That's probably the reason why I disagree with you regarding nightblade changes the next patch, I have 0 idea how that would affect PvP, I only know that magblades already struggle against meta stam builds with insane burst, they don't need more nerfs. You might be right about the changes being buffs in Cyro, what do I know lol.

I disagree. Look at the best players: Hexys, Skaffa, BS/ZS members (just to name a few). They all play in groups more than solo play. Dueling? Most of them rarely duel if at all. A lot of the duelers are newer players who aren't quite as good as the rest (Jeff being an example). Some great players do duel, Dusk/Hyssia being examples but even they play in small groups now more than anything.

That's not what I mean, mate. Having tried both, I can confirm that the 1v1 community is bigger on EU than NA. Also jeff beat the *** out of hexys 1v1 but ok.

And Jeff being a new player what??? He started playing during beta and made me buy the game like 2 months afterwards. Whatever keeps your delusions going fam, but the crude reality is that there isn't a single player EU except Dracane that can beat him 1v1 currently.

I also think, that Jeff is one of the best duellists right now
I know him since before he was good with his nightblade. He struggled a lot at the beginning and it took him many looses to find his setup. But he became so good in such a short time.

Considering that many people claim, that stamina nightblade is one of the worst or the worst 1v1 class, it's even more impressive to see how he makes it work.

People will always find excuses to justify their failure. Sets, items, pets or whatever.
BUT instead of telling this person to get rid of these.... why don't you use them yourself for a 1v1 to prove how "op" they are ? Then it's easier to see who is better People must stop trying to tell others what to do. Everyone has their own style

You don't have a clue about skill in this game, you still play a build I told you about more than 2 years ago.

Please stop giving people sorc lessons, you're the last guy any sorc should take lessons from. No offense.

But weren't you the one who tried pet sorc and basically lost to everyone (at leas the ones I saw) so it seems like it's not aaaas easy as you claim. You said it was cheesy and easy etc. but if it was, then you wouldn't loose so often, wouldn't you ? Not that your vitality potion DK tank wasn't cheesy but aw, vitality potions are getting balanced soon.

Pet build is NOT easy. It's one of the most potent in 1v1, simply because you create 2 additonal targets that could absorb hits. But that's about it, it's one of the hardest to master in other situations. I don't see, why I would change my build just because you are frustrated that you can't beat me on it or because you are unable to master it like I do. One of these 2 options or both. I've been playing pet sorc since pets were complete garbage and before it was strong (it was even pathetic in 1v1 back then)

I play it in Open world, 1vx and 1v1 alike and I'm a devoted person and once I found what I want or like, I can stick with it forever

Pet build is the easiest sorc dueling build you could play and that's why you've been playing it ever since I told you about it.

Basically you're full of it, I played a pet sorc for 2 months and didn't lose a single duel during that time, now you just can't handle the fact that you're still losing even with all the buffs over the years, cheesy sets and no softcaps, allowing you to play a huge magicka pool sorc, and it's still not enough. It will never be enough, because you're simply a bad player.

You don't play open world, you only play imperial city because only there you can play with something like this. That screenshot there is your definition of skill.

My dk killed your custom-tailored duel sorc setup in less than a minute, without scales. And that's that. Were vitality pots a problem? Oh I'm sorry, but necropotence/2 pets/mines/atro/ele drain/poisons isn't?

Now, if you really want me to make a pet build and come there and show you how it's done, just let me know, it will be my pleasure to shut you up. Didn't you log off last time when I showed up at our dueling spot? I found it funny how you just disappeared in thin air.

As I said, you can't kill anyone without your crutches. I literally didn't see you kill anyone in this game, since I first saw you, without using a newbie friendly dueling build I told you about, out of pity, cause you wouldn't stop bugging me every day after I'd log into the game. Am I lying? No. You just can't handle the truth because you love tbagging people after you duel them and your ego is as big as they get.

Players like you are one of the reasons why other players don't like to duel anymore. No one likes to duel arrogant custom-made-dueling-build-crutch-huggers that also *** talk you after a duel, or tbag in case that they win.

And if this game ever resets and your crutches get nerfed, you'll either stop playing or come back crying to me how you can't kill anyone, mage help me, help me blah blah.. I'll help you next time too, but you'll learn the hard way next time. Might even tbag you.

I feel sorry for you and the only thing that I regret is extending your game time with a giftcard back when ESO was sub based and you were as broke as they come and no one wanted to help you, should have just left you at your parents mercy, maybe you'd go study or do something more productive than giving people crap.

loki547 wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

@LegendaryMage

Whether you like Dracane or not, she plays with pets not just in duels but in open world too. It's her preferred playstyle, whether it's "lazy" or not, she doesn't change anything like most people tend to do as soon as they want to duel (CP/gear/skills etc.). My peferred playstyle on stamDK is S+B as my offense bar, 2H as my buff bar. Yours is the opposite, you like DS spamming instead. I don't knock you for that, it's preference.

And personally, I find poisons (especially increase cost poisons) more of a problem than pet sorcs in duels. And you're quite well known for using increase cost poisons in duels as well as open world. Don't see how you can hate on Dracane or anyone else for their build when you use increase cost poisons lol.

You say your guildies aren't using "crutches" yet the guy I mentioned before (Maybe he left Collo which is why you make that statement) has been using ravager for months and only recently swapped it out cause everyone found out its exploitable as well as a few people also using double mundus from your guild (I'd usually be happy to give names and evidence, but seeing as it's you you'll probably not believe me or anyone else you hate even if we showed you the pictures as evidencee).

Btw, rip your thread @TheAntiHero it will probably be closed very soon xD

You know what Kiso, in these last few months or so, I haven't seen a single player that talks more about anything pvp related, than you. Dueling, PVP, guildies, Colo, exploiters (btw some people say you're using double mundus too), community, whatever blah blah, and yet, every time I see you in PVP, you're always riding your mount, doing jack. Every single time. We're all there fighting, you're riding around on your mount, scared to engage anyone. Why don't you talk a bit less and actually PVP a bit more?

@KisoValley exposed

If anyone else is giving you a hard time from EU, just let me know. I'll happily roast them all until they're quiet and behaving again.

Dracane

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

@KisoValley random thought, I've also noticed that EU players tend to publish more dueling montage videos, but here in NA publishing 1v1 duels is considered tacky or classless. What do EU players think of publishing videos of duels?

EU is much more 1v1 oriented than NA. When I talk about pvp and balance in general I think of it through a 1v1 perspective, not through the cyro 1vX perspective. That's probably the reason why I disagree with you regarding nightblade changes the next patch, I have 0 idea how that would affect PvP, I only know that magblades already struggle against meta stam builds with insane burst, they don't need more nerfs. You might be right about the changes being buffs in Cyro, what do I know lol.

I disagree. Look at the best players: Hexys, Skaffa, BS/ZS members (just to name a few). They all play in groups more than solo play. Dueling? Most of them rarely duel if at all. A lot of the duelers are newer players who aren't quite as good as the rest (Jeff being an example). Some great players do duel, Dusk/Hyssia being examples but even they play in small groups now more than anything.

That's not what I mean, mate. Having tried both, I can confirm that the 1v1 community is bigger on EU than NA. Also jeff beat the *** out of hexys 1v1 but ok.

And Jeff being a new player what??? He started playing during beta and made me buy the game like 2 months afterwards. Whatever keeps your delusions going fam, but the crude reality is that there isn't a single player EU except Dracane that can beat him 1v1 currently.

I also think, that Jeff is one of the best duellists right now
I know him since before he was good with his nightblade. He struggled a lot at the beginning and it took him many looses to find his setup. But he became so good in such a short time.

Considering that many people claim, that stamina nightblade is one of the worst or the worst 1v1 class, it's even more impressive to see how he makes it work.

People will always find excuses to justify their failure. Sets, items, pets or whatever.
BUT instead of telling this person to get rid of these.... why don't you use them yourself for a 1v1 to prove how "op" they are ? Then it's easier to see who is better People must stop trying to tell others what to do. Everyone has their own style

You don't have a clue about skill in this game, you still play a build I told you about more than 2 years ago.

Please stop giving people sorc lessons, you're the last guy any sorc should take lessons from. No offense.

But weren't you the one who tried pet sorc and basically lost to everyone (at leas the ones I saw) so it seems like it's not aaaas easy as you claim. You said it was cheesy and easy etc. but if it was, then you wouldn't loose so often, wouldn't you ? Not that your vitality potion DK tank wasn't cheesy but aw, vitality potions are getting balanced soon.

Pet build is NOT easy. It's one of the most potent in 1v1, simply because you create 2 additonal targets that could absorb hits. But that's about it, it's one of the hardest to master in other situations. I don't see, why I would change my build just because you are frustrated that you can't beat me on it or because you are unable to master it like I do. One of these 2 options or both. I've been playing pet sorc since pets were complete garbage and before it was strong (it was even pathetic in 1v1 back then)

I play it in Open world, 1vx and 1v1 alike and I'm a devoted person and once I found what I want or like, I can stick with it forever

Pet build is the easiest sorc dueling build you could play and that's why you've been playing it ever since I told you about it.

Basically you're full of it, I played a pet sorc for 2 months and didn't lose a single duel during that time, now you just can't handle the fact that you're still losing even with all the buffs over the years, cheesy sets and no softcaps, allowing you to play a huge magicka pool sorc, and it's still not enough. It will never be enough, because you're simply a bad player.

You don't play open world, you only play imperial city because only there you can play with something like this. That screenshot there is your definition of skill.

My dk killed your custom-tailored duel sorc setup in less than a minute, without scales. And that's that. Were vitality pots a problem? Oh I'm sorry, but necropotence/2 pets/mines/atro/ele drain/poisons isn't?

Now, if you really want me to make a pet build and come there and show you how it's done, just let me know, it will be my pleasure to shut you up. Didn't you log off last time when I showed up at our dueling spot? I found it funny how you just disappeared in thin air.

As I said, you can't kill anyone without your crutches. I literally didn't see you kill anyone in this game, since I first saw you, without using a newbie friendly dueling build I told you about, out of pity, cause you wouldn't stop bugging me every day after I'd log into the game. Am I lying? No. You just can't handle the truth because you love tbagging people after you duel them and your ego is as big as they get.

Players like you are one of the reasons why other players don't like to duel anymore. No one likes to duel arrogant custom-made-dueling-build-crutch-huggers that also *** talk you after a duel, or tbag in case that they win.

And if this game ever resets and your crutches get nerfed, you'll either stop playing or come back crying to me how you can't kill anyone, mage help me, help me blah blah.. I'll help you next time too, but you'll learn the hard way next time. Might even tbag you.

I feel sorry for you and the only thing that I regret is extending your game time with a giftcard back when ESO was sub based and you were as broke as they come and no one wanted to help you, should have just left you at your parents mercy, maybe you'd go study or do something more productive than giving people crap. But it's ok, in time you'll learn that I don't take crap from jokes like you.

loki547 wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

@LegendaryMage

Whether you like Dracane or not, she plays with pets not just in duels but in open world too. It's her preferred playstyle, whether it's "lazy" or not, she doesn't change anything like most people tend to do as soon as they want to duel (CP/gear/skills etc.). My peferred playstyle on stamDK is S+B as my offense bar, 2H as my buff bar. Yours is the opposite, you like DS spamming instead. I don't knock you for that, it's preference.

And personally, I find poisons (especially increase cost poisons) more of a problem than pet sorcs in duels. And you're quite well known for using increase cost poisons in duels as well as open world. Don't see how you can hate on Dracane or anyone else for their build when you use increase cost poisons lol.

You say your guildies aren't using "crutches" yet the guy I mentioned before (Maybe he left Collo which is why you make that statement) has been using ravager for months and only recently swapped it out cause everyone found out its exploitable as well as a few people also using double mundus from your guild (I'd usually be happy to give names and evidence, but seeing as it's you you'll probably not believe me or anyone else you hate even if we showed you the pictures as evidencee).

Btw, rip your thread @TheAntiHero it will probably be closed very soon xD

You know what Kiso, in these last few months or so, I haven't seen a single player that talks more about anything pvp related, than you. Dueling, PVP, guildies, Colo, exploiters (btw some people say you're using double mundus too), community, whatever blah blah, and yet, every time I see you in PVP, you're always riding your mount, doing jack. Every single time. We're all there fighting, you're riding around on your mount, scared to engage anyone. Why don't you talk a bit less and actually PVP a bit more?

@KisoValley exposed

If anyone else is giving you a hard time from EU, just let me know. I'll happily roast them all until they're quiet and behaving again.

You had nothing to do with me started playing a pet Sorc.
The reason why I started playing pets, was someone called Cpt-Capslock.

Everyone, including me used to look up to you in 2014 and we gladly took your advise.
But you are not the person you used to be back then. You used to be nice and generous as far as I am concerned.
But today, you are so toxic, mean and false. I don't know what illusions you're having, but it's an issue and believe me when I say, the best is to stop playing ESO for a while. This game is poisoning you, I had the same issue some time ago and it got better once I stopped.

You try to undermine everyone who is a threat for your former throne. You can't handle it, that there are so many players who outperform you on mag sorcs, pets or not.
And please never forget, that it's 2-1 between your DK and me You won the first time because I underrestimated you, but I've learned and the next times I destroyed you just fine and that was when pets were not affected by battle spirit right after duelling was introduced and and despite you having Vitality potions.

So please, don't take this as an indicator for your skill. Rather take it as one for my skill, because I was able to win even with bugged pets and your vitality potions.

Berenhir

Popcorn anyone?

LegendaryMage

Dracane wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

@KisoValley random thought, I've also noticed that EU players tend to publish more dueling montage videos, but here in NA publishing 1v1 duels is considered tacky or classless. What do EU players think of publishing videos of duels?

EU is much more 1v1 oriented than NA. When I talk about pvp and balance in general I think of it through a 1v1 perspective, not through the cyro 1vX perspective. That's probably the reason why I disagree with you regarding nightblade changes the next patch, I have 0 idea how that would affect PvP, I only know that magblades already struggle against meta stam builds with insane burst, they don't need more nerfs. You might be right about the changes being buffs in Cyro, what do I know lol.

I disagree. Look at the best players: Hexys, Skaffa, BS/ZS members (just to name a few). They all play in groups more than solo play. Dueling? Most of them rarely duel if at all. A lot of the duelers are newer players who aren't quite as good as the rest (Jeff being an example). Some great players do duel, Dusk/Hyssia being examples but even they play in small groups now more than anything.

That's not what I mean, mate. Having tried both, I can confirm that the 1v1 community is bigger on EU than NA. Also jeff beat the *** out of hexys 1v1 but ok.

And Jeff being a new player what??? He started playing during beta and made me buy the game like 2 months afterwards. Whatever keeps your delusions going fam, but the crude reality is that there isn't a single player EU except Dracane that can beat him 1v1 currently.

I also think, that Jeff is one of the best duellists right now
I know him since before he was good with his nightblade. He struggled a lot at the beginning and it took him many looses to find his setup. But he became so good in such a short time.

Considering that many people claim, that stamina nightblade is one of the worst or the worst 1v1 class, it's even more impressive to see how he makes it work.

People will always find excuses to justify their failure. Sets, items, pets or whatever.
BUT instead of telling this person to get rid of these.... why don't you use them yourself for a 1v1 to prove how "op" they are ? Then it's easier to see who is better People must stop trying to tell others what to do. Everyone has their own style

You don't have a clue about skill in this game, you still play a build I told you about more than 2 years ago.

Please stop giving people sorc lessons, you're the last guy any sorc should take lessons from. No offense.

But weren't you the one who tried pet sorc and basically lost to everyone (at leas the ones I saw) so it seems like it's not aaaas easy as you claim. You said it was cheesy and easy etc. but if it was, then you wouldn't loose so often, wouldn't you ? Not that your vitality potion DK tank wasn't cheesy but aw, vitality potions are getting balanced soon.

Pet build is NOT easy. It's one of the most potent in 1v1, simply because you create 2 additonal targets that could absorb hits. But that's about it, it's one of the hardest to master in other situations. I don't see, why I would change my build just because you are frustrated that you can't beat me on it or because you are unable to master it like I do. One of these 2 options or both. I've been playing pet sorc since pets were complete garbage and before it was strong (it was even pathetic in 1v1 back then)

I play it in Open world, 1vx and 1v1 alike and I'm a devoted person and once I found what I want or like, I can stick with it forever

Pet build is the easiest sorc dueling build you could play and that's why you've been playing it ever since I told you about it.

Basically you're full of it, I played a pet sorc for 2 months and didn't lose a single duel during that time, now you just can't handle the fact that you're still losing even with all the buffs over the years, cheesy sets and no softcaps, allowing you to play a huge magicka pool sorc, and it's still not enough. It will never be enough, because you're simply a bad player.

You don't play open world, you only play imperial city because only there you can play with something like this. That screenshot there is your definition of skill.

My dk killed your custom-tailored duel sorc setup in less than a minute, without scales. And that's that. Were vitality pots a problem? Oh I'm sorry, but necropotence/2 pets/mines/atro/ele drain/poisons isn't?

Now, if you really want me to make a pet build and come there and show you how it's done, just let me know, it will be my pleasure to shut you up. Didn't you log off last time when I showed up at our dueling spot? I found it funny how you just disappeared in thin air.

As I said, you can't kill anyone without your crutches. I literally didn't see you kill anyone in this game, since I first saw you, without using a newbie friendly dueling build I told you about, out of pity, cause you wouldn't stop bugging me every day after I'd log into the game. Am I lying? No. You just can't handle the truth because you love tbagging people after you duel them and your ego is as big as they get.

Players like you are one of the reasons why other players don't like to duel anymore. No one likes to duel arrogant custom-made-dueling-build-crutch-huggers that also *** talk you after a duel, or tbag in case that they win.

And if this game ever resets and your crutches get nerfed, you'll either stop playing or come back crying to me how you can't kill anyone, mage help me, help me blah blah.. I'll help you next time too, but you'll learn the hard way next time. Might even tbag you.

I feel sorry for you and the only thing that I regret is extending your game time with a giftcard back when ESO was sub based and you were as broke as they come and no one wanted to help you, should have just left you at your parents mercy, maybe you'd go study or do something more productive than giving people crap. But it's ok, in time you'll learn that I don't take crap from jokes like you.

loki547 wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

@LegendaryMage

Whether you like Dracane or not, she plays with pets not just in duels but in open world too. It's her preferred playstyle, whether it's "lazy" or not, she doesn't change anything like most people tend to do as soon as they want to duel (CP/gear/skills etc.). My peferred playstyle on stamDK is S+B as my offense bar, 2H as my buff bar. Yours is the opposite, you like DS spamming instead. I don't knock you for that, it's preference.

And personally, I find poisons (especially increase cost poisons) more of a problem than pet sorcs in duels. And you're quite well known for using increase cost poisons in duels as well as open world. Don't see how you can hate on Dracane or anyone else for their build when you use increase cost poisons lol.

You say your guildies aren't using "crutches" yet the guy I mentioned before (Maybe he left Collo which is why you make that statement) has been using ravager for months and only recently swapped it out cause everyone found out its exploitable as well as a few people also using double mundus from your guild (I'd usually be happy to give names and evidence, but seeing as it's you you'll probably not believe me or anyone else you hate even if we showed you the pictures as evidencee).

Btw, rip your thread @TheAntiHero it will probably be closed very soon xD

You know what Kiso, in these last few months or so, I haven't seen a single player that talks more about anything pvp related, than you. Dueling, PVP, guildies, Colo, exploiters (btw some people say you're using double mundus too), community, whatever blah blah, and yet, every time I see you in PVP, you're always riding your mount, doing jack. Every single time. We're all there fighting, you're riding around on your mount, scared to engage anyone. Why don't you talk a bit less and actually PVP a bit more?

@KisoValley exposed

If anyone else is giving you a hard time from EU, just let me know. I'll happily roast them all until they're quiet and behaving again.

You had nothing to do with me started playing a pet Sorc.
The reason why I started playing pets, was someone called Cpt-Capslock.

Everyone, including me used to look up to you in 2014 and we gladly took your advise.
But you are not the person you used to be back then. You used to be nice and generous as far as I am concerned.
But today, you are so toxic, mean and false. I don't know what illusions you're having, but it's an issue and believe me when I say, the best is to stop playing ESO for a while. This game is poisoning you, I had the same issue some time ago and it got better once I stopped.

You try to undermine everyone who is a threat for your former throne. You can't handle it, that there are so many players who outperform you on mag sorcs, pets or not.
And please never forget, that it's 2-1 between your DK and me You won the first time because I underrestimated you, but I've learned and the next times I destroyed you just fine and that was when pets were not affected by battle spirit right after duelling was introduced and and despite you having Vitality potions.

So please, don't take this as an indicator for your skill. Rather take it as one for my skill, because I was able to win even with bugged pets and your vitality potions.

What the hell are you talking about? I play in offline mode most of the time and I perform just as fine on mag sorc. In fact, the only mag sorcs I might struggle with, are the 55k shield(s) ones that just don't run out of magicka. I don't have a problem with anyone playing anything that they want, use a god damn bazooka if it's in the game, but don't tbag and insult people calling them unskilled because you're making up for something that you don't have. Actual skill. That, I do have a problem with.

There's no excuse for bad manners, and you'll always see me argue with people like that. Simply because I don't take their ***. Most of the time I don't care about it, but if you're showing up at our dueling spots, tbagging players that are new to the game, you're *** it up for them and they're not having fun having to deal with jerks like that. I protect everyone and you'll have to deal with me in that case. You killed my dk after 20 minutes on a custom-tailor made dueling build. I wasted you in less than a minute before that, without scales. You edited your skills and finally you managed to come out on top somehow Tell yourself whatever you want, don't matter at all. I did challenge you the other day but you logged off, being a coward that you are.

p.s. Caps started playing pet sorc because him and me... Ah, you get the picture, I'm done. Have fun and don't poke me anymore. If you don't like a statement that I made, fine. Don't like it. Don't get offended by it either. Enough now.

Dracane

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Dracane wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

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Dracane wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

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NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

@KisoValley random thought, I've also noticed that EU players tend to publish more dueling montage videos, but here in NA publishing 1v1 duels is considered tacky or classless. What do EU players think of publishing videos of duels?

EU is much more 1v1 oriented than NA. When I talk about pvp and balance in general I think of it through a 1v1 perspective, not through the cyro 1vX perspective. That's probably the reason why I disagree with you regarding nightblade changes the next patch, I have 0 idea how that would affect PvP, I only know that magblades already struggle against meta stam builds with insane burst, they don't need more nerfs. You might be right about the changes being buffs in Cyro, what do I know lol.

I disagree. Look at the best players: Hexys, Skaffa, BS/ZS members (just to name a few). They all play in groups more than solo play. Dueling? Most of them rarely duel if at all. A lot of the duelers are newer players who aren't quite as good as the rest (Jeff being an example). Some great players do duel, Dusk/Hyssia being examples but even they play in small groups now more than anything.

That's not what I mean, mate. Having tried both, I can confirm that the 1v1 community is bigger on EU than NA. Also jeff beat the *** out of hexys 1v1 but ok.

And Jeff being a new player what??? He started playing during beta and made me buy the game like 2 months afterwards. Whatever keeps your delusions going fam, but the crude reality is that there isn't a single player EU except Dracane that can beat him 1v1 currently.

I also think, that Jeff is one of the best duellists right now
I know him since before he was good with his nightblade. He struggled a lot at the beginning and it took him many looses to find his setup. But he became so good in such a short time.

Considering that many people claim, that stamina nightblade is one of the worst or the worst 1v1 class, it's even more impressive to see how he makes it work.

People will always find excuses to justify their failure. Sets, items, pets or whatever.
BUT instead of telling this person to get rid of these.... why don't you use them yourself for a 1v1 to prove how "op" they are ? Then it's easier to see who is better People must stop trying to tell others what to do. Everyone has their own style

You don't have a clue about skill in this game, you still play a build I told you about more than 2 years ago.

Please stop giving people sorc lessons, you're the last guy any sorc should take lessons from. No offense.

But weren't you the one who tried pet sorc and basically lost to everyone (at leas the ones I saw) so it seems like it's not aaaas easy as you claim. You said it was cheesy and easy etc. but if it was, then you wouldn't loose so often, wouldn't you ? Not that your vitality potion DK tank wasn't cheesy but aw, vitality potions are getting balanced soon.

Pet build is NOT easy. It's one of the most potent in 1v1, simply because you create 2 additonal targets that could absorb hits. But that's about it, it's one of the hardest to master in other situations. I don't see, why I would change my build just because you are frustrated that you can't beat me on it or because you are unable to master it like I do. One of these 2 options or both. I've been playing pet sorc since pets were complete garbage and before it was strong (it was even pathetic in 1v1 back then)

I play it in Open world, 1vx and 1v1 alike and I'm a devoted person and once I found what I want or like, I can stick with it forever

Pet build is the easiest sorc dueling build you could play and that's why you've been playing it ever since I told you about it.

Basically you're full of it, I played a pet sorc for 2 months and didn't lose a single duel during that time, now you just can't handle the fact that you're still losing even with all the buffs over the years, cheesy sets and no softcaps, allowing you to play a huge magicka pool sorc, and it's still not enough. It will never be enough, because you're simply a bad player.

You don't play open world, you only play imperial city because only there you can play with something like this. That screenshot there is your definition of skill.

My dk killed your custom-tailored duel sorc setup in less than a minute, without scales. And that's that. Were vitality pots a problem? Oh I'm sorry, but necropotence/2 pets/mines/atro/ele drain/poisons isn't?

Now, if you really want me to make a pet build and come there and show you how it's done, just let me know, it will be my pleasure to shut you up. Didn't you log off last time when I showed up at our dueling spot? I found it funny how you just disappeared in thin air.

As I said, you can't kill anyone without your crutches. I literally didn't see you kill anyone in this game, since I first saw you, without using a newbie friendly dueling build I told you about, out of pity, cause you wouldn't stop bugging me every day after I'd log into the game. Am I lying? No. You just can't handle the truth because you love tbagging people after you duel them and your ego is as big as they get.

Players like you are one of the reasons why other players don't like to duel anymore. No one likes to duel arrogant custom-made-dueling-build-crutch-huggers that also *** talk you after a duel, or tbag in case that they win.

And if this game ever resets and your crutches get nerfed, you'll either stop playing or come back crying to me how you can't kill anyone, mage help me, help me blah blah.. I'll help you next time too, but you'll learn the hard way next time. Might even tbag you.

I feel sorry for you and the only thing that I regret is extending your game time with a giftcard back when ESO was sub based and you were as broke as they come and no one wanted to help you, should have just left you at your parents mercy, maybe you'd go study or do something more productive than giving people crap. But it's ok, in time you'll learn that I don't take crap from jokes like you.

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LegendaryMage wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

@LegendaryMage

Whether you like Dracane or not, she plays with pets not just in duels but in open world too. It's her preferred playstyle, whether it's "lazy" or not, she doesn't change anything like most people tend to do as soon as they want to duel (CP/gear/skills etc.). My peferred playstyle on stamDK is S+B as my offense bar, 2H as my buff bar. Yours is the opposite, you like DS spamming instead. I don't knock you for that, it's preference.

And personally, I find poisons (especially increase cost poisons) more of a problem than pet sorcs in duels. And you're quite well known for using increase cost poisons in duels as well as open world. Don't see how you can hate on Dracane or anyone else for their build when you use increase cost poisons lol.

You say your guildies aren't using "crutches" yet the guy I mentioned before (Maybe he left Collo which is why you make that statement) has been using ravager for months and only recently swapped it out cause everyone found out its exploitable as well as a few people also using double mundus from your guild (I'd usually be happy to give names and evidence, but seeing as it's you you'll probably not believe me or anyone else you hate even if we showed you the pictures as evidencee).

Btw, rip your thread @TheAntiHero it will probably be closed very soon xD

You know what Kiso, in these last few months or so, I haven't seen a single player that talks more about anything pvp related, than you. Dueling, PVP, guildies, Colo, exploiters (btw some people say you're using double mundus too), community, whatever blah blah, and yet, every time I see you in PVP, you're always riding your mount, doing jack. Every single time. We're all there fighting, you're riding around on your mount, scared to engage anyone. Why don't you talk a bit less and actually PVP a bit more?

@KisoValley exposed

If anyone else is giving you a hard time from EU, just let me know. I'll happily roast them all until they're quiet and behaving again.

You had nothing to do with me started playing a pet Sorc.
The reason why I started playing pets, was someone called Cpt-Capslock.

Everyone, including me used to look up to you in 2014 and we gladly took your advise.
But you are not the person you used to be back then. You used to be nice and generous as far as I am concerned.
But today, you are so toxic, mean and false. I don't know what illusions you're having, but it's an issue and believe me when I say, the best is to stop playing ESO for a while. This game is poisoning you, I had the same issue some time ago and it got better once I stopped.

You try to undermine everyone who is a threat for your former throne. You can't handle it, that there are so many players who outperform you on mag sorcs, pets or not.
And please never forget, that it's 2-1 between your DK and me You won the first time because I underrestimated you, but I've learned and the next times I destroyed you just fine and that was when pets were not affected by battle spirit right after duelling was introduced and and despite you having Vitality potions.

So please, don't take this as an indicator for your skill. Rather take it as one for my skill, because I was able to win even with bugged pets and your vitality potions.

What the hell are you talking about? I play in offline mode most of the time and I perform just as fine on mag sorc. In fact, the only mag sorcs I might struggle with, are the 55k shield(s) ones that just don't run out of magicka. I don't have a problem with anyone playing anything that they want, use a god damn bazooka if it's in the game, but don't tbag and insult people calling them unskilled because you're making up for something that you don't have. Actual skill. That, I do have a problem with.

There's no excuse for bad manners, and you'll always see me argue with people like that. Simply because I don't take their ***. Most of the time I don't care about it, but if you're showing up at our dueling spots, tbagging players that are new to the game, you're *** it up for them and they're not having fun having to deal with jerks like that. I protect everyone and you'll have to deal with me in that case. You killed my dk after 20 minutes on a custom-tailor made dueling build. I wasted you in less than a minute before that, without scales. Tell yourself whatever you want, don't matter at all.

p.s. Caps started playing pet sorc because him and me... Ah, you get the picture, I'm done. Have fun and don't poke me anymore. If you don't like a statement that I made, fine. Don't like it. Don't get offended by it either. Enough now.

Takes so much skill to kill a light armor Sorc with 17k health and pets who are one shot due to the lack of battle spirit, by using wrecking blow.
And no, the first time I killed you after 14 minutes and the second times after 4:38 minutes, I can remember that quite well.

And this build is not customized, as I use it everywhere and everyone knows it. After one tamriel, I toyed around with a few ideas, but found my way pretty fast and wall of elements became set in stone for my bars.

If Capslock got his idea from you, that's fine. Doesn't change the fact that he was my inspiration for this, not you.
And now stop beating on events that took place so long ago (aka duelling spot)

LegendaryMage

Dracane wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

@KisoValley random thought, I've also noticed that EU players tend to publish more dueling montage videos, but here in NA publishing 1v1 duels is considered tacky or classless. What do EU players think of publishing videos of duels?

EU is much more 1v1 oriented than NA. When I talk about pvp and balance in general I think of it through a 1v1 perspective, not through the cyro 1vX perspective. That's probably the reason why I disagree with you regarding nightblade changes the next patch, I have 0 idea how that would affect PvP, I only know that magblades already struggle against meta stam builds with insane burst, they don't need more nerfs. You might be right about the changes being buffs in Cyro, what do I know lol.

I disagree. Look at the best players: Hexys, Skaffa, BS/ZS members (just to name a few). They all play in groups more than solo play. Dueling? Most of them rarely duel if at all. A lot of the duelers are newer players who aren't quite as good as the rest (Jeff being an example). Some great players do duel, Dusk/Hyssia being examples but even they play in small groups now more than anything.

That's not what I mean, mate. Having tried both, I can confirm that the 1v1 community is bigger on EU than NA. Also jeff beat the *** out of hexys 1v1 but ok.

And Jeff being a new player what??? He started playing during beta and made me buy the game like 2 months afterwards. Whatever keeps your delusions going fam, but the crude reality is that there isn't a single player EU except Dracane that can beat him 1v1 currently.

I also think, that Jeff is one of the best duellists right now
I know him since before he was good with his nightblade. He struggled a lot at the beginning and it took him many looses to find his setup. But he became so good in such a short time.

Considering that many people claim, that stamina nightblade is one of the worst or the worst 1v1 class, it's even more impressive to see how he makes it work.

People will always find excuses to justify their failure. Sets, items, pets or whatever.
BUT instead of telling this person to get rid of these.... why don't you use them yourself for a 1v1 to prove how "op" they are ? Then it's easier to see who is better People must stop trying to tell others what to do. Everyone has their own style

You don't have a clue about skill in this game, you still play a build I told you about more than 2 years ago.

Please stop giving people sorc lessons, you're the last guy any sorc should take lessons from. No offense.

But weren't you the one who tried pet sorc and basically lost to everyone (at leas the ones I saw) so it seems like it's not aaaas easy as you claim. You said it was cheesy and easy etc. but if it was, then you wouldn't loose so often, wouldn't you ? Not that your vitality potion DK tank wasn't cheesy but aw, vitality potions are getting balanced soon.

Pet build is NOT easy. It's one of the most potent in 1v1, simply because you create 2 additonal targets that could absorb hits. But that's about it, it's one of the hardest to master in other situations. I don't see, why I would change my build just because you are frustrated that you can't beat me on it or because you are unable to master it like I do. One of these 2 options or both. I've been playing pet sorc since pets were complete garbage and before it was strong (it was even pathetic in 1v1 back then)

I play it in Open world, 1vx and 1v1 alike and I'm a devoted person and once I found what I want or like, I can stick with it forever

Pet build is the easiest sorc dueling build you could play and that's why you've been playing it ever since I told you about it.

Basically you're full of it, I played a pet sorc for 2 months and didn't lose a single duel during that time, now you just can't handle the fact that you're still losing even with all the buffs over the years, cheesy sets and no softcaps, allowing you to play a huge magicka pool sorc, and it's still not enough. It will never be enough, because you're simply a bad player.

You don't play open world, you only play imperial city because only there you can play with something like this. That screenshot there is your definition of skill.

My dk killed your custom-tailored duel sorc setup in less than a minute, without scales. And that's that. Were vitality pots a problem? Oh I'm sorry, but necropotence/2 pets/mines/atro/ele drain/poisons isn't?

Now, if you really want me to make a pet build and come there and show you how it's done, just let me know, it will be my pleasure to shut you up. Didn't you log off last time when I showed up at our dueling spot? I found it funny how you just disappeared in thin air.

As I said, you can't kill anyone without your crutches. I literally didn't see you kill anyone in this game, since I first saw you, without using a newbie friendly dueling build I told you about, out of pity, cause you wouldn't stop bugging me every day after I'd log into the game. Am I lying? No. You just can't handle the truth because you love tbagging people after you duel them and your ego is as big as they get.

Players like you are one of the reasons why other players don't like to duel anymore. No one likes to duel arrogant custom-made-dueling-build-crutch-huggers that also *** talk you after a duel, or tbag in case that they win.

And if this game ever resets and your crutches get nerfed, you'll either stop playing or come back crying to me how you can't kill anyone, mage help me, help me blah blah.. I'll help you next time too, but you'll learn the hard way next time. Might even tbag you.

I feel sorry for you and the only thing that I regret is extending your game time with a giftcard back when ESO was sub based and you were as broke as they come and no one wanted to help you, should have just left you at your parents mercy, maybe you'd go study or do something more productive than giving people crap. But it's ok, in time you'll learn that I don't take crap from jokes like you.

loki547 wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

@LegendaryMage

Whether you like Dracane or not, she plays with pets not just in duels but in open world too. It's her preferred playstyle, whether it's "lazy" or not, she doesn't change anything like most people tend to do as soon as they want to duel (CP/gear/skills etc.). My peferred playstyle on stamDK is S+B as my offense bar, 2H as my buff bar. Yours is the opposite, you like DS spamming instead. I don't knock you for that, it's preference.

And personally, I find poisons (especially increase cost poisons) more of a problem than pet sorcs in duels. And you're quite well known for using increase cost poisons in duels as well as open world. Don't see how you can hate on Dracane or anyone else for their build when you use increase cost poisons lol.

You say your guildies aren't using "crutches" yet the guy I mentioned before (Maybe he left Collo which is why you make that statement) has been using ravager for months and only recently swapped it out cause everyone found out its exploitable as well as a few people also using double mundus from your guild (I'd usually be happy to give names and evidence, but seeing as it's you you'll probably not believe me or anyone else you hate even if we showed you the pictures as evidencee).

Btw, rip your thread @TheAntiHero it will probably be closed very soon xD

You know what Kiso, in these last few months or so, I haven't seen a single player that talks more about anything pvp related, than you. Dueling, PVP, guildies, Colo, exploiters (btw some people say you're using double mundus too), community, whatever blah blah, and yet, every time I see you in PVP, you're always riding your mount, doing jack. Every single time. We're all there fighting, you're riding around on your mount, scared to engage anyone. Why don't you talk a bit less and actually PVP a bit more?

@KisoValley exposed

If anyone else is giving you a hard time from EU, just let me know. I'll happily roast them all until they're quiet and behaving again.

You had nothing to do with me started playing a pet Sorc.
The reason why I started playing pets, was someone called Cpt-Capslock.

Everyone, including me used to look up to you in 2014 and we gladly took your advise.
But you are not the person you used to be back then. You used to be nice and generous as far as I am concerned.
But today, you are so toxic, mean and false. I don't know what illusions you're having, but it's an issue and believe me when I say, the best is to stop playing ESO for a while. This game is poisoning you, I had the same issue some time ago and it got better once I stopped.

You try to undermine everyone who is a threat for your former throne. You can't handle it, that there are so many players who outperform you on mag sorcs, pets or not.
And please never forget, that it's 2-1 between your DK and me You won the first time because I underrestimated you, but I've learned and the next times I destroyed you just fine and that was when pets were not affected by battle spirit right after duelling was introduced and and despite you having Vitality potions.

So please, don't take this as an indicator for your skill. Rather take it as one for my skill, because I was able to win even with bugged pets and your vitality potions.

What the hell are you talking about? I play in offline mode most of the time and I perform just as fine on mag sorc. In fact, the only mag sorcs I might struggle with, are the 55k shield(s) ones that just don't run out of magicka. I don't have a problem with anyone playing anything that they want, use a god damn bazooka if it's in the game, but don't tbag and insult people calling them unskilled because you're making up for something that you don't have. Actual skill. That, I do have a problem with.

There's no excuse for bad manners, and you'll always see me argue with people like that. Simply because I don't take their ***. Most of the time I don't care about it, but if you're showing up at our dueling spots, tbagging players that are new to the game, you're *** it up for them and they're not having fun having to deal with jerks like that. I protect everyone and you'll have to deal with me in that case. You killed my dk after 20 minutes on a custom-tailor made dueling build. I wasted you in less than a minute before that, without scales. Tell yourself whatever you want, don't matter at all.

p.s. Caps started playing pet sorc because him and me... Ah, you get the picture, I'm done. Have fun and don't poke me anymore. If you don't like a statement that I made, fine. Don't like it. Don't get offended by it either. Enough now.

Takes so much skill to kill a light armor Sorc with 17k health and pets who are one shot due to the lack of battle spirit, by using wrecking blow.
And no, the first time I killed you after 14 minutes and the second times after 4:38 minutes, I can remember that quite well.

And this build is not customized, as I use it everywhere and everyone knows it. After one tamriel, I toyed around with a few ideas, but found my way pretty fast and wall of elements became set in stone for my bars.

If Capslock got his idea from you, that's fine. Doesn't change the fact that he was my inspiration for this, not you.
And now stop beating on events that took place so long ago (aka duelling spot)

Stop lying, you change your stuff around by 180 degrees. I had to walk through endless minefields, wall of elements, 2 pets + atronach, infernal guardian, elemental drain and anything you could think of, to barely have a chance. If I had just changed one skill on my bar, I could have had coffee during our fight. But I don't change my build just for duels like you do. I use duels to practice a build, unlike you.

You don't even have 17k hp, you barely have 15k because you're putting everything into magicka, including the blue buff that gives you max mag + mag regen, and then you think you came up with something really good, which is really funny. Who needs 25k hp when they have an endlessly spammable 15k daedric ward and they can't run out of resources.

Your definition of dueling and mine, are very different my friend. To you, dueling is about making the most cheesiest possible build and then swapping skills. To me, dueling is good fun and practicing. All I'm telling you is, you can't kill anyone without your dueling cheese.

You're benefiting from the fact that you have 3 meat shields, stacked up magicka and magicka regen and you say you open world?

lol you open world in IC with 60k+ mag, 30k+ hp and 20k stamina. That's your open world. And then when you're about to die and lose some stones, you alt-f4 and just disappear in thin air.

Don't argue with me dude, it won't end well for you, I didn't start playing this yesterday, I see through all your crap as clearly as possible. You're the same to me like those other guys with viper/selene/incap/poisons, dueling and tbagging people after they kill them. I'll never have respect for people like that.

Dracane

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

@KisoValley random thought, I've also noticed that EU players tend to publish more dueling montage videos, but here in NA publishing 1v1 duels is considered tacky or classless. What do EU players think of publishing videos of duels?

EU is much more 1v1 oriented than NA. When I talk about pvp and balance in general I think of it through a 1v1 perspective, not through the cyro 1vX perspective. That's probably the reason why I disagree with you regarding nightblade changes the next patch, I have 0 idea how that would affect PvP, I only know that magblades already struggle against meta stam builds with insane burst, they don't need more nerfs. You might be right about the changes being buffs in Cyro, what do I know lol.

I disagree. Look at the best players: Hexys, Skaffa, BS/ZS members (just to name a few). They all play in groups more than solo play. Dueling? Most of them rarely duel if at all. A lot of the duelers are newer players who aren't quite as good as the rest (Jeff being an example). Some great players do duel, Dusk/Hyssia being examples but even they play in small groups now more than anything.

That's not what I mean, mate. Having tried both, I can confirm that the 1v1 community is bigger on EU than NA. Also jeff beat the *** out of hexys 1v1 but ok.

And Jeff being a new player what??? He started playing during beta and made me buy the game like 2 months afterwards. Whatever keeps your delusions going fam, but the crude reality is that there isn't a single player EU except Dracane that can beat him 1v1 currently.

I also think, that Jeff is one of the best duellists right now
I know him since before he was good with his nightblade. He struggled a lot at the beginning and it took him many looses to find his setup. But he became so good in such a short time.

Considering that many people claim, that stamina nightblade is one of the worst or the worst 1v1 class, it's even more impressive to see how he makes it work.

People will always find excuses to justify their failure. Sets, items, pets or whatever.
BUT instead of telling this person to get rid of these.... why don't you use them yourself for a 1v1 to prove how "op" they are ? Then it's easier to see who is better People must stop trying to tell others what to do. Everyone has their own style

You don't have a clue about skill in this game, you still play a build I told you about more than 2 years ago.

Please stop giving people sorc lessons, you're the last guy any sorc should take lessons from. No offense.

But weren't you the one who tried pet sorc and basically lost to everyone (at leas the ones I saw) so it seems like it's not aaaas easy as you claim. You said it was cheesy and easy etc. but if it was, then you wouldn't loose so often, wouldn't you ? Not that your vitality potion DK tank wasn't cheesy but aw, vitality potions are getting balanced soon.

Pet build is NOT easy. It's one of the most potent in 1v1, simply because you create 2 additonal targets that could absorb hits. But that's about it, it's one of the hardest to master in other situations. I don't see, why I would change my build just because you are frustrated that you can't beat me on it or because you are unable to master it like I do. One of these 2 options or both. I've been playing pet sorc since pets were complete garbage and before it was strong (it was even pathetic in 1v1 back then)

I play it in Open world, 1vx and 1v1 alike and I'm a devoted person and once I found what I want or like, I can stick with it forever

Pet build is the easiest sorc dueling build you could play and that's why you've been playing it ever since I told you about it.

Basically you're full of it, I played a pet sorc for 2 months and didn't lose a single duel during that time, now you just can't handle the fact that you're still losing even with all the buffs over the years, cheesy sets and no softcaps, allowing you to play a huge magicka pool sorc, and it's still not enough. It will never be enough, because you're simply a bad player.

You don't play open world, you only play imperial city because only there you can play with something like this. That screenshot there is your definition of skill.

My dk killed your custom-tailored duel sorc setup in less than a minute, without scales. And that's that. Were vitality pots a problem? Oh I'm sorry, but necropotence/2 pets/mines/atro/ele drain/poisons isn't?

Now, if you really want me to make a pet build and come there and show you how it's done, just let me know, it will be my pleasure to shut you up. Didn't you log off last time when I showed up at our dueling spot? I found it funny how you just disappeared in thin air.

As I said, you can't kill anyone without your crutches. I literally didn't see you kill anyone in this game, since I first saw you, without using a newbie friendly dueling build I told you about, out of pity, cause you wouldn't stop bugging me every day after I'd log into the game. Am I lying? No. You just can't handle the truth because you love tbagging people after you duel them and your ego is as big as they get.

Players like you are one of the reasons why other players don't like to duel anymore. No one likes to duel arrogant custom-made-dueling-build-crutch-huggers that also *** talk you after a duel, or tbag in case that they win.

And if this game ever resets and your crutches get nerfed, you'll either stop playing or come back crying to me how you can't kill anyone, mage help me, help me blah blah.. I'll help you next time too, but you'll learn the hard way next time. Might even tbag you.

I feel sorry for you and the only thing that I regret is extending your game time with a giftcard back when ESO was sub based and you were as broke as they come and no one wanted to help you, should have just left you at your parents mercy, maybe you'd go study or do something more productive than giving people crap. But it's ok, in time you'll learn that I don't take crap from jokes like you.

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LegendaryMage wrote: »

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@LegendaryMage

Whether you like Dracane or not, she plays with pets not just in duels but in open world too. It's her preferred playstyle, whether it's "lazy" or not, she doesn't change anything like most people tend to do as soon as they want to duel (CP/gear/skills etc.). My peferred playstyle on stamDK is S+B as my offense bar, 2H as my buff bar. Yours is the opposite, you like DS spamming instead. I don't knock you for that, it's preference.

And personally, I find poisons (especially increase cost poisons) more of a problem than pet sorcs in duels. And you're quite well known for using increase cost poisons in duels as well as open world. Don't see how you can hate on Dracane or anyone else for their build when you use increase cost poisons lol.

You say your guildies aren't using "crutches" yet the guy I mentioned before (Maybe he left Collo which is why you make that statement) has been using ravager for months and only recently swapped it out cause everyone found out its exploitable as well as a few people also using double mundus from your guild (I'd usually be happy to give names and evidence, but seeing as it's you you'll probably not believe me or anyone else you hate even if we showed you the pictures as evidencee).

Btw, rip your thread @TheAntiHero it will probably be closed very soon xD

You know what Kiso, in these last few months or so, I haven't seen a single player that talks more about anything pvp related, than you. Dueling, PVP, guildies, Colo, exploiters (btw some people say you're using double mundus too), community, whatever blah blah, and yet, every time I see you in PVP, you're always riding your mount, doing jack. Every single time. We're all there fighting, you're riding around on your mount, scared to engage anyone. Why don't you talk a bit less and actually PVP a bit more?

@KisoValley exposed

If anyone else is giving you a hard time from EU, just let me know. I'll happily roast them all until they're quiet and behaving again.

You had nothing to do with me started playing a pet Sorc.
The reason why I started playing pets, was someone called Cpt-Capslock.

Everyone, including me used to look up to you in 2014 and we gladly took your advise.
But you are not the person you used to be back then. You used to be nice and generous as far as I am concerned.
But today, you are so toxic, mean and false. I don't know what illusions you're having, but it's an issue and believe me when I say, the best is to stop playing ESO for a while. This game is poisoning you, I had the same issue some time ago and it got better once I stopped.

You try to undermine everyone who is a threat for your former throne. You can't handle it, that there are so many players who outperform you on mag sorcs, pets or not.
And please never forget, that it's 2-1 between your DK and me You won the first time because I underrestimated you, but I've learned and the next times I destroyed you just fine and that was when pets were not affected by battle spirit right after duelling was introduced and and despite you having Vitality potions.

So please, don't take this as an indicator for your skill. Rather take it as one for my skill, because I was able to win even with bugged pets and your vitality potions.

What the hell are you talking about? I play in offline mode most of the time and I perform just as fine on mag sorc. In fact, the only mag sorcs I might struggle with, are the 55k shield(s) ones that just don't run out of magicka. I don't have a problem with anyone playing anything that they want, use a god damn bazooka if it's in the game, but don't tbag and insult people calling them unskilled because you're making up for something that you don't have. Actual skill. That, I do have a problem with.

There's no excuse for bad manners, and you'll always see me argue with people like that. Simply because I don't take their ***. Most of the time I don't care about it, but if you're showing up at our dueling spots, tbagging players that are new to the game, you're *** it up for them and they're not having fun having to deal with jerks like that. I protect everyone and you'll have to deal with me in that case. You killed my dk after 20 minutes on a custom-tailor made dueling build. I wasted you in less than a minute before that, without scales. Tell yourself whatever you want, don't matter at all.

p.s. Caps started playing pet sorc because him and me... Ah, you get the picture, I'm done. Have fun and don't poke me anymore. If you don't like a statement that I made, fine. Don't like it. Don't get offended by it either. Enough now.

Takes so much skill to kill a light armor Sorc with 17k health and pets who are one shot due to the lack of battle spirit, by using wrecking blow.
And no, the first time I killed you after 14 minutes and the second times after 4:38 minutes, I can remember that quite well.

And this build is not customized, as I use it everywhere and everyone knows it. After one tamriel, I toyed around with a few ideas, but found my way pretty fast and wall of elements became set in stone for my bars.

If Capslock got his idea from you, that's fine. Doesn't change the fact that he was my inspiration for this, not you.
And now stop beating on events that took place so long ago (aka duelling spot)

Stop lying, you change your stuff around by 180 degrees. I had to walk through endless minefields, wall of elements, 2 pets + atronach, infernal guardian, elemental drain and anything you could think of, to barely have a chance. If I had just changed one skill on my bar, I could have had coffee during our fight. But I don't change my build just for duels like you do. I use duels to practice a build, unlike you.

You don't even have 17k hp, you barely have 15k because you're putting everything into magicka, including the blue buff that gives you max mag + mag regen, and then you think you came up with something really good, which is really funny. Who needs 25k hp when they have an endlessly spammable 15k daedric ward and they can't run out of resources.

Your definition of dueling and mine, are very different my friend. To you, dueling is about making the most cheesiest possible build and then swapping skills. To me, dueling is good fun and practicing. All I'm telling you is, you can't kill anyone without your dueling cheese.

You're benefiting from the fact that you have 3 meat shields, stacked up magicka and magicka regen and you say you open world?

lol you open world in IC with 60k+ mag, 30k+ hp and 20k stamina. That's your open world. And then when you're about to die and lose some stones, you alt-f4 and just disappear in thin air.

Don't argue with me dude, it won't end well for you, I didn't start playing this yesterday, I see through all your crap as clearly as possible. You're the same to me like those other guys with viper/selene/incap/poisons, dueling and tbagging people after they kill them. I'll never have respect for people like that.

17k hp is minium with max CP and no food, because of this 8% health from daedric summoning.

I don't adjust my build in any way. Watch my videos, I use the same build against EVERYONE. Too bad your theory doesn't go off, as everyone can see it's a lie you're trying to tell (as you usually do) I use elemental drain, wall of elements and pets and atronach and I always have mines on my overload bar, just in case there should be too much pressure which was easy for you to do thanks to the missing battle spirit for my pets.

The only thing I switch, is atronach or soul assault, because soul assault is better vs medium armor. But I do the same in Cyrodiil and IC if I know that I have to face dodge monkeys.

And to give you some insight, I have 54k magicka, 26k health and 13k stamina in IC and if I should be about to die, I streak away and maybe use an invisibilty potion. Oh but why am I telling you this, you did the same in Arboretum a few days ago when you got the shock of your life: Facing me 1v1 in PvP on your mag sorc. So funny how you streaked around and eventually vanished with the potion and returned with your allies. Much skills Sir. The Overload spam from 1000 to 0 was especially entertaining. I thought, someone hacked your account and played instead of you. But no

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LegendaryMage wrote: »

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Dracane wrote: »

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NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

@KisoValley random thought, I've also noticed that EU players tend to publish more dueling montage videos, but here in NA publishing 1v1 duels is considered tacky or classless. What do EU players think of publishing videos of duels?

EU is much more 1v1 oriented than NA. When I talk about pvp and balance in general I think of it through a 1v1 perspective, not through the cyro 1vX perspective. That's probably the reason why I disagree with you regarding nightblade changes the next patch, I have 0 idea how that would affect PvP, I only know that magblades already struggle against meta stam builds with insane burst, they don't need more nerfs. You might be right about the changes being buffs in Cyro, what do I know lol.

I disagree. Look at the best players: Hexys, Skaffa, BS/ZS members (just to name a few). They all play in groups more than solo play. Dueling? Most of them rarely duel if at all. A lot of the duelers are newer players who aren't quite as good as the rest (Jeff being an example). Some great players do duel, Dusk/Hyssia being examples but even they play in small groups now more than anything.

That's not what I mean, mate. Having tried both, I can confirm that the 1v1 community is bigger on EU than NA. Also jeff beat the *** out of hexys 1v1 but ok.

And Jeff being a new player what??? He started playing during beta and made me buy the game like 2 months afterwards. Whatever keeps your delusions going fam, but the crude reality is that there isn't a single player EU except Dracane that can beat him 1v1 currently.

I also think, that Jeff is one of the best duellists right now
I know him since before he was good with his nightblade. He struggled a lot at the beginning and it took him many looses to find his setup. But he became so good in such a short time.

Considering that many people claim, that stamina nightblade is one of the worst or the worst 1v1 class, it's even more impressive to see how he makes it work.

People will always find excuses to justify their failure. Sets, items, pets or whatever.
BUT instead of telling this person to get rid of these.... why don't you use them yourself for a 1v1 to prove how "op" they are ? Then it's easier to see who is better People must stop trying to tell others what to do. Everyone has their own style

You don't have a clue about skill in this game, you still play a build I told you about more than 2 years ago.

Please stop giving people sorc lessons, you're the last guy any sorc should take lessons from. No offense.

But weren't you the one who tried pet sorc and basically lost to everyone (at leas the ones I saw) so it seems like it's not aaaas easy as you claim. You said it was cheesy and easy etc. but if it was, then you wouldn't loose so often, wouldn't you ? Not that your vitality potion DK tank wasn't cheesy but aw, vitality potions are getting balanced soon.

Pet build is NOT easy. It's one of the most potent in 1v1, simply because you create 2 additonal targets that could absorb hits. But that's about it, it's one of the hardest to master in other situations. I don't see, why I would change my build just because you are frustrated that you can't beat me on it or because you are unable to master it like I do. One of these 2 options or both. I've been playing pet sorc since pets were complete garbage and before it was strong (it was even pathetic in 1v1 back then)

I play it in Open world, 1vx and 1v1 alike and I'm a devoted person and once I found what I want or like, I can stick with it forever

Pet build is the easiest sorc dueling build you could play and that's why you've been playing it ever since I told you about it.

Basically you're full of it, I played a pet sorc for 2 months and didn't lose a single duel during that time, now you just can't handle the fact that you're still losing even with all the buffs over the years, cheesy sets and no softcaps, allowing you to play a huge magicka pool sorc, and it's still not enough. It will never be enough, because you're simply a bad player.

You don't play open world, you only play imperial city because only there you can play with something like this. That screenshot there is your definition of skill.

My dk killed your custom-tailored duel sorc setup in less than a minute, without scales. And that's that. Were vitality pots a problem? Oh I'm sorry, but necropotence/2 pets/mines/atro/ele drain/poisons isn't?

Now, if you really want me to make a pet build and come there and show you how it's done, just let me know, it will be my pleasure to shut you up. Didn't you log off last time when I showed up at our dueling spot? I found it funny how you just disappeared in thin air.

As I said, you can't kill anyone without your crutches. I literally didn't see you kill anyone in this game, since I first saw you, without using a newbie friendly dueling build I told you about, out of pity, cause you wouldn't stop bugging me every day after I'd log into the game. Am I lying? No. You just can't handle the truth because you love tbagging people after you duel them and your ego is as big as they get.

Players like you are one of the reasons why other players don't like to duel anymore. No one likes to duel arrogant custom-made-dueling-build-crutch-huggers that also *** talk you after a duel, or tbag in case that they win.

And if this game ever resets and your crutches get nerfed, you'll either stop playing or come back crying to me how you can't kill anyone, mage help me, help me blah blah.. I'll help you next time too, but you'll learn the hard way next time. Might even tbag you.

I feel sorry for you and the only thing that I regret is extending your game time with a giftcard back when ESO was sub based and you were as broke as they come and no one wanted to help you, should have just left you at your parents mercy, maybe you'd go study or do something more productive than giving people crap. But it's ok, in time you'll learn that I don't take crap from jokes like you.

loki547 wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

@LegendaryMage

Whether you like Dracane or not, she plays with pets not just in duels but in open world too. It's her preferred playstyle, whether it's "lazy" or not, she doesn't change anything like most people tend to do as soon as they want to duel (CP/gear/skills etc.). My peferred playstyle on stamDK is S+B as my offense bar, 2H as my buff bar. Yours is the opposite, you like DS spamming instead. I don't knock you for that, it's preference.

And personally, I find poisons (especially increase cost poisons) more of a problem than pet sorcs in duels. And you're quite well known for using increase cost poisons in duels as well as open world. Don't see how you can hate on Dracane or anyone else for their build when you use increase cost poisons lol.

You say your guildies aren't using "crutches" yet the guy I mentioned before (Maybe he left Collo which is why you make that statement) has been using ravager for months and only recently swapped it out cause everyone found out its exploitable as well as a few people also using double mundus from your guild (I'd usually be happy to give names and evidence, but seeing as it's you you'll probably not believe me or anyone else you hate even if we showed you the pictures as evidencee).

Btw, rip your thread @TheAntiHero it will probably be closed very soon xD

You know what Kiso, in these last few months or so, I haven't seen a single player that talks more about anything pvp related, than you. Dueling, PVP, guildies, Colo, exploiters (btw some people say you're using double mundus too), community, whatever blah blah, and yet, every time I see you in PVP, you're always riding your mount, doing jack. Every single time. We're all there fighting, you're riding around on your mount, scared to engage anyone. Why don't you talk a bit less and actually PVP a bit more?

@KisoValley exposed

If anyone else is giving you a hard time from EU, just let me know. I'll happily roast them all until they're quiet and behaving again.

You had nothing to do with me started playing a pet Sorc.
The reason why I started playing pets, was someone called Cpt-Capslock.

Everyone, including me used to look up to you in 2014 and we gladly took your advise.
But you are not the person you used to be back then. You used to be nice and generous as far as I am concerned.
But today, you are so toxic, mean and false. I don't know what illusions you're having, but it's an issue and believe me when I say, the best is to stop playing ESO for a while. This game is poisoning you, I had the same issue some time ago and it got better once I stopped.

You try to undermine everyone who is a threat for your former throne. You can't handle it, that there are so many players who outperform you on mag sorcs, pets or not.
And please never forget, that it's 2-1 between your DK and me You won the first time because I underrestimated you, but I've learned and the next times I destroyed you just fine and that was when pets were not affected by battle spirit right after duelling was introduced and and despite you having Vitality potions.

So please, don't take this as an indicator for your skill. Rather take it as one for my skill, because I was able to win even with bugged pets and your vitality potions.

What the hell are you talking about? I play in offline mode most of the time and I perform just as fine on mag sorc. In fact, the only mag sorcs I might struggle with, are the 55k shield(s) ones that just don't run out of magicka. I don't have a problem with anyone playing anything that they want, use a god damn bazooka if it's in the game, but don't tbag and insult people calling them unskilled because you're making up for something that you don't have. Actual skill. That, I do have a problem with.

There's no excuse for bad manners, and you'll always see me argue with people like that. Simply because I don't take their ***. Most of the time I don't care about it, but if you're showing up at our dueling spots, tbagging players that are new to the game, you're *** it up for them and they're not having fun having to deal with jerks like that. I protect everyone and you'll have to deal with me in that case. You killed my dk after 20 minutes on a custom-tailor made dueling build. I wasted you in less than a minute before that, without scales. Tell yourself whatever you want, don't matter at all.

p.s. Caps started playing pet sorc because him and me... Ah, you get the picture, I'm done. Have fun and don't poke me anymore. If you don't like a statement that I made, fine. Don't like it. Don't get offended by it either. Enough now.

Takes so much skill to kill a light armor Sorc with 17k health and pets who are one shot due to the lack of battle spirit, by using wrecking blow.
And no, the first time I killed you after 14 minutes and the second times after 4:38 minutes, I can remember that quite well.

And this build is not customized, as I use it everywhere and everyone knows it. After one tamriel, I toyed around with a few ideas, but found my way pretty fast and wall of elements became set in stone for my bars.

If Capslock got his idea from you, that's fine. Doesn't change the fact that he was my inspiration for this, not you.
And now stop beating on events that took place so long ago (aka duelling spot)

Stop lying, you change your stuff around by 180 degrees. I had to walk through endless minefields, wall of elements, 2 pets + atronach, infernal guardian, elemental drain and anything you could think of, to barely have a chance. If I had just changed one skill on my bar, I could have had coffee during our fight. But I don't change my build just for duels like you do. I use duels to practice a build, unlike you.

You don't even have 17k hp, you barely have 15k because you're putting everything into magicka, including the blue buff that gives you max mag + mag regen, and then you think you came up with something really good, which is really funny. Who needs 25k hp when they have an endlessly spammable 15k daedric ward and they can't run out of resources.

Your definition of dueling and mine, are very different my friend. To you, dueling is about making the most cheesiest possible build and then swapping skills. To me, dueling is good fun and practicing. All I'm telling you is, you can't kill anyone without your dueling cheese.

You're benefiting from the fact that you have 3 meat shields, stacked up magicka and magicka regen and you say you open world?

lol you open world in IC with 60k+ mag, 30k+ hp and 20k stamina. That's your open world. And then when you're about to die and lose some stones, you alt-f4 and just disappear in thin air.

Don't argue with me dude, it won't end well for you, I didn't start playing this yesterday, I see through all your crap as clearly as possible. You're the same to me like those other guys with viper/selene/incap/poisons, dueling and tbagging people after they kill them. I'll never have respect for people like that.

17k hp is minium with max CP and no food, because of this 8% health from daedric summoning.

I don't adjust my build in any way. Watch my videos, I use the same build against EVERYONE. Too bad your theory doesn't go off, as everyone can see it's a lie you're trying to tell (as you usually do) I use elemental drain, wall of elements and pets and atronach and I always have mines on my overload bar, just in case there should be too much pressure which was easy for you to do thanks to the missing battle spirit for my pets.

The only thing I switch, is atronach or soul assault, because soul assault is better vs medium armor. But I do the same in Cyrodiil and IC if I know that I have to face dodge monkeys.

My bad, when I saw your hp it was without battlespirit. What videos, show me a video please. And also, what lies did I tell? I didn't tell a single lie about you, all this discussion is because you're full of excuses and you're trying to justify your crutches by comparing it to potential other crutches, that aren't even crutches ironically.

When Derra says shieldstack is broken, I can respect that. When people complain about atro/mines, I can respect that too, although that's mostly a l2p issue, it's countered by freaking walking away from it, doesn't get easier than that. When someone like you does ALL of that and then on top of it slaps the most broken set combos he can think off along with poisons. That's cheese. And then when someone like that starts crap talking you and tbagging other people, now that's just (to say the least) rude isn't it...

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NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

@KisoValley random thought, I've also noticed that EU players tend to publish more dueling montage videos, but here in NA publishing 1v1 duels is considered tacky or classless. What do EU players think of publishing videos of duels?

EU is much more 1v1 oriented than NA. When I talk about pvp and balance in general I think of it through a 1v1 perspective, not through the cyro 1vX perspective. That's probably the reason why I disagree with you regarding nightblade changes the next patch, I have 0 idea how that would affect PvP, I only know that magblades already struggle against meta stam builds with insane burst, they don't need more nerfs. You might be right about the changes being buffs in Cyro, what do I know lol.

I disagree. Look at the best players: Hexys, Skaffa, BS/ZS members (just to name a few). They all play in groups more than solo play. Dueling? Most of them rarely duel if at all. A lot of the duelers are newer players who aren't quite as good as the rest (Jeff being an example). Some great players do duel, Dusk/Hyssia being examples but even they play in small groups now more than anything.

That's not what I mean, mate. Having tried both, I can confirm that the 1v1 community is bigger on EU than NA. Also jeff beat the *** out of hexys 1v1 but ok.

And Jeff being a new player what??? He started playing during beta and made me buy the game like 2 months afterwards. Whatever keeps your delusions going fam, but the crude reality is that there isn't a single player EU except Dracane that can beat him 1v1 currently.

I also think, that Jeff is one of the best duellists right now
I know him since before he was good with his nightblade. He struggled a lot at the beginning and it took him many looses to find his setup. But he became so good in such a short time.

Considering that many people claim, that stamina nightblade is one of the worst or the worst 1v1 class, it's even more impressive to see how he makes it work.

People will always find excuses to justify their failure. Sets, items, pets or whatever.
BUT instead of telling this person to get rid of these.... why don't you use them yourself for a 1v1 to prove how "op" they are ? Then it's easier to see who is better People must stop trying to tell others what to do. Everyone has their own style

You don't have a clue about skill in this game, you still play a build I told you about more than 2 years ago.

Please stop giving people sorc lessons, you're the last guy any sorc should take lessons from. No offense.

But weren't you the one who tried pet sorc and basically lost to everyone (at leas the ones I saw) so it seems like it's not aaaas easy as you claim. You said it was cheesy and easy etc. but if it was, then you wouldn't loose so often, wouldn't you ? Not that your vitality potion DK tank wasn't cheesy but aw, vitality potions are getting balanced soon.

Pet build is NOT easy. It's one of the most potent in 1v1, simply because you create 2 additonal targets that could absorb hits. But that's about it, it's one of the hardest to master in other situations. I don't see, why I would change my build just because you are frustrated that you can't beat me on it or because you are unable to master it like I do. One of these 2 options or both. I've been playing pet sorc since pets were complete garbage and before it was strong (it was even pathetic in 1v1 back then)

I play it in Open world, 1vx and 1v1 alike and I'm a devoted person and once I found what I want or like, I can stick with it forever

Pet build is the easiest sorc dueling build you could play and that's why you've been playing it ever since I told you about it.

Basically you're full of it, I played a pet sorc for 2 months and didn't lose a single duel during that time, now you just can't handle the fact that you're still losing even with all the buffs over the years, cheesy sets and no softcaps, allowing you to play a huge magicka pool sorc, and it's still not enough. It will never be enough, because you're simply a bad player.

You don't play open world, you only play imperial city because only there you can play with something like this. That screenshot there is your definition of skill.

My dk killed your custom-tailored duel sorc setup in less than a minute, without scales. And that's that. Were vitality pots a problem? Oh I'm sorry, but necropotence/2 pets/mines/atro/ele drain/poisons isn't?

Now, if you really want me to make a pet build and come there and show you how it's done, just let me know, it will be my pleasure to shut you up. Didn't you log off last time when I showed up at our dueling spot? I found it funny how you just disappeared in thin air.

As I said, you can't kill anyone without your crutches. I literally didn't see you kill anyone in this game, since I first saw you, without using a newbie friendly dueling build I told you about, out of pity, cause you wouldn't stop bugging me every day after I'd log into the game. Am I lying? No. You just can't handle the truth because you love tbagging people after you duel them and your ego is as big as they get.

Players like you are one of the reasons why other players don't like to duel anymore. No one likes to duel arrogant custom-made-dueling-build-crutch-huggers that also *** talk you after a duel, or tbag in case that they win.

And if this game ever resets and your crutches get nerfed, you'll either stop playing or come back crying to me how you can't kill anyone, mage help me, help me blah blah.. I'll help you next time too, but you'll learn the hard way next time. Might even tbag you.

I feel sorry for you and the only thing that I regret is extending your game time with a giftcard back when ESO was sub based and you were as broke as they come and no one wanted to help you, should have just left you at your parents mercy, maybe you'd go study or do something more productive than giving people crap. But it's ok, in time you'll learn that I don't take crap from jokes like you.

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LegendaryMage wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

@LegendaryMage

Whether you like Dracane or not, she plays with pets not just in duels but in open world too. It's her preferred playstyle, whether it's "lazy" or not, she doesn't change anything like most people tend to do as soon as they want to duel (CP/gear/skills etc.). My peferred playstyle on stamDK is S+B as my offense bar, 2H as my buff bar. Yours is the opposite, you like DS spamming instead. I don't knock you for that, it's preference.

And personally, I find poisons (especially increase cost poisons) more of a problem than pet sorcs in duels. And you're quite well known for using increase cost poisons in duels as well as open world. Don't see how you can hate on Dracane or anyone else for their build when you use increase cost poisons lol.

You say your guildies aren't using "crutches" yet the guy I mentioned before (Maybe he left Collo which is why you make that statement) has been using ravager for months and only recently swapped it out cause everyone found out its exploitable as well as a few people also using double mundus from your guild (I'd usually be happy to give names and evidence, but seeing as it's you you'll probably not believe me or anyone else you hate even if we showed you the pictures as evidencee).

Btw, rip your thread @TheAntiHero it will probably be closed very soon xD

You know what Kiso, in these last few months or so, I haven't seen a single player that talks more about anything pvp related, than you. Dueling, PVP, guildies, Colo, exploiters (btw some people say you're using double mundus too), community, whatever blah blah, and yet, every time I see you in PVP, you're always riding your mount, doing jack. Every single time. We're all there fighting, you're riding around on your mount, scared to engage anyone. Why don't you talk a bit less and actually PVP a bit more?

@KisoValley exposed

If anyone else is giving you a hard time from EU, just let me know. I'll happily roast them all until they're quiet and behaving again.

You had nothing to do with me started playing a pet Sorc.
The reason why I started playing pets, was someone called Cpt-Capslock.

Everyone, including me used to look up to you in 2014 and we gladly took your advise.
But you are not the person you used to be back then. You used to be nice and generous as far as I am concerned.
But today, you are so toxic, mean and false. I don't know what illusions you're having, but it's an issue and believe me when I say, the best is to stop playing ESO for a while. This game is poisoning you, I had the same issue some time ago and it got better once I stopped.

You try to undermine everyone who is a threat for your former throne. You can't handle it, that there are so many players who outperform you on mag sorcs, pets or not.
And please never forget, that it's 2-1 between your DK and me You won the first time because I underrestimated you, but I've learned and the next times I destroyed you just fine and that was when pets were not affected by battle spirit right after duelling was introduced and and despite you having Vitality potions.

So please, don't take this as an indicator for your skill. Rather take it as one for my skill, because I was able to win even with bugged pets and your vitality potions.

What the hell are you talking about? I play in offline mode most of the time and I perform just as fine on mag sorc. In fact, the only mag sorcs I might struggle with, are the 55k shield(s) ones that just don't run out of magicka. I don't have a problem with anyone playing anything that they want, use a god damn bazooka if it's in the game, but don't tbag and insult people calling them unskilled because you're making up for something that you don't have. Actual skill. That, I do have a problem with.

There's no excuse for bad manners, and you'll always see me argue with people like that. Simply because I don't take their ***. Most of the time I don't care about it, but if you're showing up at our dueling spots, tbagging players that are new to the game, you're *** it up for them and they're not having fun having to deal with jerks like that. I protect everyone and you'll have to deal with me in that case. You killed my dk after 20 minutes on a custom-tailor made dueling build. I wasted you in less than a minute before that, without scales. Tell yourself whatever you want, don't matter at all.

p.s. Caps started playing pet sorc because him and me... Ah, you get the picture, I'm done. Have fun and don't poke me anymore. If you don't like a statement that I made, fine. Don't like it. Don't get offended by it either. Enough now.

Takes so much skill to kill a light armor Sorc with 17k health and pets who are one shot due to the lack of battle spirit, by using wrecking blow.
And no, the first time I killed you after 14 minutes and the second times after 4:38 minutes, I can remember that quite well.

And this build is not customized, as I use it everywhere and everyone knows it. After one tamriel, I toyed around with a few ideas, but found my way pretty fast and wall of elements became set in stone for my bars.

If Capslock got his idea from you, that's fine. Doesn't change the fact that he was my inspiration for this, not you.
And now stop beating on events that took place so long ago (aka duelling spot)

Stop lying, you change your stuff around by 180 degrees. I had to walk through endless minefields, wall of elements, 2 pets + atronach, infernal guardian, elemental drain and anything you could think of, to barely have a chance. If I had just changed one skill on my bar, I could have had coffee during our fight. But I don't change my build just for duels like you do. I use duels to practice a build, unlike you.

You don't even have 17k hp, you barely have 15k because you're putting everything into magicka, including the blue buff that gives you max mag + mag regen, and then you think you came up with something really good, which is really funny. Who needs 25k hp when they have an endlessly spammable 15k daedric ward and they can't run out of resources.

Your definition of dueling and mine, are very different my friend. To you, dueling is about making the most cheesiest possible build and then swapping skills. To me, dueling is good fun and practicing. All I'm telling you is, you can't kill anyone without your dueling cheese.

You're benefiting from the fact that you have 3 meat shields, stacked up magicka and magicka regen and you say you open world?

lol you open world in IC with 60k+ mag, 30k+ hp and 20k stamina. That's your open world. And then when you're about to die and lose some stones, you alt-f4 and just disappear in thin air.

Don't argue with me dude, it won't end well for you, I didn't start playing this yesterday, I see through all your crap as clearly as possible. You're the same to me like those other guys with viper/selene/incap/poisons, dueling and tbagging people after they kill them. I'll never have respect for people like that.

17k hp is minium with max CP and no food, because of this 8% health from daedric summoning.

I don't adjust my build in any way. Watch my videos, I use the same build against EVERYONE. Too bad your theory doesn't go off, as everyone can see it's a lie you're trying to tell (as you usually do) I use elemental drain, wall of elements and pets and atronach and I always have mines on my overload bar, just in case there should be too much pressure which was easy for you to do thanks to the missing battle spirit for my pets.

The only thing I switch, is atronach or soul assault, because soul assault is better vs medium armor. But I do the same in Cyrodiil and IC if I know that I have to face dodge monkeys.

And to give you some insight, I have 54k magicka, 26k health and 13k stamina in IC and if I should be about to die, I streak away and maybe use an invisibilty potion. Oh but why am I telling you this, you did the same in Arboretum a few days ago when you got the shock of your life: Facing me 1v1 in PvP on your mag sorc. So funny how you streaked around and eventually vanished with the potion and returned with your allies. Much skills Sir. The Overload spam from 1000 to 0 was especially entertaining. I thought, someone hacked your account and played instead of you. But no

Facing a physique/necro sorc on a pve sorc farming stones? Of course I'll use a invisibility potion and walk away. You didn't do that, your stationary character nicely vanished in semi slow motion, meaning that you simply alt-f4'd not to lose stones clever move, clever move...

Dracane

LegendaryMage wrote: »

My bad, when I saw your hp it was without battlespirit. What videos, show me a video please. And also, what lies did I tell? I didn't tell a single lie about you, all this discussion is because you're full of excuses and you're trying to justify your crutches by comparing it to potential other crutches, that aren't even crutches ironically.

When Derra says shieldstack is broken, I can respect that. When people complain about atro/mines, I can respect that too, although that's mostly a l2p issue, it's countered by freaking walking away from it, doesn't get easier than that. When someone like you does ALL of that and then on top of it slaps the most broken set combos he can think off along with poisons. That's cheese. And then when someone like that starts crap talking you and tbagging other people, now that's just (to say the least) rude isn't it...

No need to find excuses. But I am forced to correct all the wrong things you're trying to spread.
All I do, is making clear what I do, why I do it and what was happening. Your version of the story is superficial and one sided.

And afterall, I play to have fun For you it's a big fight, part of your propaganda and supremacy problems. I was the same, I admit. But I have changed in that regard, you do best to try the same.

LegendaryMage

Dracane wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

My bad, when I saw your hp it was without battlespirit. What videos, show me a video please. And also, what lies did I tell? I didn't tell a single lie about you, all this discussion is because you're full of excuses and you're trying to justify your crutches by comparing it to potential other crutches, that aren't even crutches ironically.

When Derra says shieldstack is broken, I can respect that. When people complain about atro/mines, I can respect that too, although that's mostly a l2p issue, it's countered by freaking walking away from it, doesn't get easier than that. When someone like you does ALL of that and then on top of it slaps the most broken set combos he can think off along with poisons. That's cheese. And then when someone like that starts crap talking you and tbagging other people, now that's just (to say the least) rude isn't it...

No need to find excuses. But I am forced to correct all the wrong things you're trying to spread.
All I do, is making clear what I do, why I do it and what was happening. Your version of the story is superficial and one sided.

And afterall, I play to have fun For you it's a big fight, part of your propaganda and supremacy problems. I was the same, I admit. But I have changed in that regard, you do best to try the same.

Don't compare me to yourself, I'm nowhere near as arrogant and egoistic as you. Go hang out with your friend, Kiso The Truthful.

Dracane

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

My bad, when I saw your hp it was without battlespirit. What videos, show me a video please. And also, what lies did I tell? I didn't tell a single lie about you, all this discussion is because you're full of excuses and you're trying to justify your crutches by comparing it to potential other crutches, that aren't even crutches ironically.

When Derra says shieldstack is broken, I can respect that. When people complain about atro/mines, I can respect that too, although that's mostly a l2p issue, it's countered by freaking walking away from it, doesn't get easier than that. When someone like you does ALL of that and then on top of it slaps the most broken set combos he can think off along with poisons. That's cheese. And then when someone like that starts crap talking you and tbagging other people, now that's just (to say the least) rude isn't it...

No need to find excuses. But I am forced to correct all the wrong things you're trying to spread.
All I do, is making clear what I do, why I do it and what was happening. Your version of the story is superficial and one sided.

And afterall, I play to have fun For you it's a big fight, part of your propaganda and supremacy problems. I was the same, I admit. But I have changed in that regard, you do best to try the same.

Don't compare me to yourself, I'm nowhere near as arrogant and egoistic as you. Go hang out with your friend, Kiso The Truthful.

Oh, you are so much worse than me. You tell yourself and others to be some kind of shiny guardian who protects the weak and abandoned of Tamriel or something.

Quote :"If anyone else is giving you a hard time from EU, just let me know. I'll happily roast them all until they're quiet and behaving again."
Now if this isn't 10/10 fanatic and arrogant, then I don't know what to say.
And leave Kiso out of this, I have nothing to do with him.

pjwb16_ESO

Wollust wrote: »

This thread is now officially rated 10/10

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Dracane

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

This thread is now officially rated 10/10

Do you want to buy some T-Shirts with fb images of a certain person here printed on it aswell as Legendary Forum *** Talker written above it? They are on sale for only this week! 10$ each!

Pictures of me ?

MLRPZ

Anyway, Redangel sorc build is the best

KisoValley

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

My bad, when I saw your hp it was without battlespirit. What videos, show me a video please. And also, what lies did I tell? I didn't tell a single lie about you, all this discussion is because you're full of excuses and you're trying to justify your crutches by comparing it to potential other crutches, that aren't even crutches ironically.

When Derra says shieldstack is broken, I can respect that. When people complain about atro/mines, I can respect that too, although that's mostly a l2p issue, it's countered by freaking walking away from it, doesn't get easier than that. When someone like you does ALL of that and then on top of it slaps the most broken set combos he can think off along with poisons. That's cheese. And then when someone like that starts crap talking you and tbagging other people, now that's just (to say the least) rude isn't it...

No need to find excuses. But I am forced to correct all the wrong things you're trying to spread.
All I do, is making clear what I do, why I do it and what was happening. Your version of the story is superficial and one sided.

And afterall, I play to have fun For you it's a big fight, part of your propaganda and supremacy problems. I was the same, I admit. But I have changed in that regard, you do best to try the same.

Don't compare me to yourself, I'm nowhere near as arrogant and egoistic as you. Go hang out with your friend, Kiso The Truthful.

This is why I'm RoT.

Derra

Can you actually walk away from a stormattro placed directly in the middle of the dueling area as a melee character?
Meaning can you get into a position where you can attack the sorc but the attro is out of range?

Genuine question i´ve never tried.