Move IC Entrance & Population out of Cyrodiil

PhxOldGamer68

Frustrating that ZOS still hasn't moved the entrance of IC to a PVE zone. Prior to One Tamriel, the excuse was Cyrodiil is a PVP zone therefore IC needed to be instanced there. Well, PVP (dueling) is now available everywhere so it's time to move the entrance out of Cyrodiil.

PVErs who hate PVP, will now want to enter IC since they don't have to enter Cyrodiil. We all know PVErs are the vast majority of players. This would seem like a logical decision to sell the IC DLC to PVErs.

And PVPers will be celebrate not having IC players take up the population. Nothing more frustrating than having 3 bars of population, and then having only 3 keeps because all those players are in IC instead of fighting above ground.

***No PVP Elitists Trolls Please***

Taylor_MB

More PvE'ers in IC means more PvP players entering for easy TV and 1vx. Which then results in less PvE'ers followed soon after by less PvP'ers cause no one to PvP anymore.

IC is not well designed, it's neither PvE nor PvP content. I agree that easy access would be amazing, but it will not make any sort of meaningful change to IC population in the long term.

PvE instance for Cyrodiil threads pop up weekly, soon people will want to farm TV with 0 risk.

Chori

No.

bebynnag

but what you are requesting is geographically impossible...
just look at the map!

that said i fully support IC getting an independent population bar!

zyk

Yes, definitely. There is no reason for IC and Cyrodiil to share a population. It results in population imbalances we cannot observe or attempt to fix without providing substantial benefits.

When a big PVE guild has an IC raid night, it can mean a bad night in Cyrodiil for its faction. It works both ways. There's no way for a player interested in IC PVP to know how populated it might be.

The_Duke

I love all the squishy PVE players in IC. They can burn the mobs and I get to help lighten their heavy telvar loads.

PhxOldGamer68

Yes. PVP Elitists no need to reply with negative comments that have no proper debate. Typical troll.

zuto40

move the entrance to the home bases, i know ive decided not to go there a few times because of the ride

The_Duke

PhxOldGamer68 wrote: »

Yes. PVP Elitists no need to reply with negative comments that have no proper debate. Typical troll.

If you post about PVP be prepared to get responses from PVPers and be willing to receive all types of commments. Its a public forum and the minute you create a thread it will attract all types of attention. Both good and bad.

Kwivur

Are you too weak to make it to the IC entrance? Or are you having to sneak there?

Gilvoth

i hope this happens.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

PhxOldGamer68 wrote: »

Yes. PVP Elitists no need to reply with negative comments that have no proper debate. Typical troll.

If you were a little more cordial people may consider being less combative.

Any way, separate populations would be nice, and so would a porting option. Conversely I'd more prefer that the battle in the IC be reflected in the overall PVP alliance score. But what do I know, I'm only a "PVP elitist troll" apparently.

Bislobo

No... They should connect IC with the rest of cyrodiil, not the other way around.

concegual

I think they need to make IC play a more pivotal role somehow... to be honest moving the entrance is a silly idea. I have no trouble making it there on a lvl 10 toon on any campaign. If anything entrances need to be alliance specific. one can only enter through there alliances entrance... exiting to home gate is also a bad idea. When one leaves they should be outside their home alliances entrance...

NightbladeMechanics

You should fix your title.

Should be "IC PvP objectives should be made to count significantly toward the campaign."

Objectives should also be scattered throughout the sewers.

Then everything would be better.

You can't take pvp out of IC. Tel var vendors are too strong to not have risk related to farming their wares.

geonsocal

zuto40 wrote: »

move the entrance to the home bases, i know ive decided not to go there a few times because of the ride

from your mouth to zos' ear...this is muy importante...

Sotha_Sil

#MakeICGreatAgain and not a Pve zone !

PhxOldGamer68

Moving IC entrance in a PVE zone would also not require to have a campaign selected, which clogs up the queue.
IC would still be PVP, but not counting against the campaign population.
Geography shouldn't be an issue since we travel on a cart to Orsinium or Craglorn, use a portal to Eyevea or Coldharbour (before discovering a wayshrine).
PVPers should welcome more players jumping into IC and Tel Var Stone farming.

Sigtric

I'd rather see more incentive for campaign objectices to go into IC
IC entrances are fine where they are

I'd be fine with some sort of portal to get you directly in if it means more pve people to kill in IC though.

Ghettokid

IC should have been in game from the beginning(not as DLC) and it should have affected emperor/and other bonuses alliances get atm from capturing keeps. It would make sense that alliance that have IC districts also have emperor. Now it's too late for stuff like that happen. Atleast we can still look back into good old days when we had those huge fights at arena district.

Volrion

I'd like it to be disconnected, and have a pop bar.

I play Oceania so IC is a great way to help avoid high ping/lag issues when I try to PVP.

Also during Oceania time slot it can be very quiet down there (often I'll be the only one in the city, even on the main campaign), so it would be nice to know the population before I make the trip.

Beardimus

I'm mainly PvE, bit of PvP and love IC. See no need for much to change.
More AP incentives, contributing to the wider outside campaign makes sense is all.
I'm EU though, so rarely Pop Locked.

Etaniel

puffytheslayer wrote: »

but what you are requesting is geographically impossible...
just look at the map!

that said i fully support IC getting an independent population bar!

The geographical argument is moot. And if it isn't, explain why when we exit IC we are ported to our home base and not at the IC entrance?

KisoValley

Prefer if they make IC count towards the campaign.

Etaniel

KisoValley wrote: »

Prefer if they make IC count towards the campaign.

Would be the best solution, except IC is a dlc. Campaigns become pay2win. Make the districts part of the base game and then we could have that !

Bislobo

Etaniel wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Prefer if they make IC count towards the campaign.

Would be the best solution, except IC is a dlc. Campaigns become pay2win. Make the districts part of the base game and then we could have that !

The solution for IC really is making it part of the base game, that way you could integrate it easier with the rest of the Cyrodiil warfare. I have bought the DLC and don't mind at all if it was part of the base game. There is so much you could do if that was the case... But there is always the issue... IC is a DLC. I mean i know it's a business and all, but in the long run that would keep players interested and maybe bring more people to the game. That is what they advertise on their amazing trailers anyway.

Xsorus

There is a reason IC works somewhat like it does.

They borrowed half the mechanics from what IC was suppose to copy and that was Darkness Falls from Dark Age of Camelot

You see Darkness Falls had it so the entrance was opened to whoever had control of the Most Keeps, this was usually the Realm with the Most Population in that game. Since DF was also a source of decent loot when it was first released, good leveling spots, and a way to make Plat (Gold) in the game it was highly valued by PVE players and PvP Players. The Entrance itself was actually outside of the PvP Area. However it was still a PvP zone and you'd be ganked when you entered it and such. Now what would happen is the realm with the most population would have a large portion of its players siphoned off to enter DF and the other two realms would then have an option to come back and retake their Keeps.

It was basically a population control mechanic and it worked well.

Unfortunately they didn't follow those mechanics with this game....They ran into the issue of having Home and Guest Servers (did not exist in DAOC) and it being a DLC so they didn't want people who bought a DLC not have access to it basically.

Right now having the population the way it is probably wouldn't matter to be quite honest as they've pretty much decided to leave it open to all 3 realms and its original goal isn't working...They could even move the entrance outside of PvP area as no one really camps those entrances anyway. However the zone itself should remain PvP and I'm pretty sure come next patch its going to to vastly increase in population as people farm the new Jewelry and Weapons for the sets there.

Ashamray

I'm afraid if IC will become a part of Alliance war leaderboards massive zergs will come there and perfect perfomance will be lost.

altemriel

PhxOldGamer68 wrote: »

Frustrating that ZOS still hasn't moved the entrance of IC to a PVE zone. Prior to One Tamriel, the excuse was Cyrodiil is a PVP zone therefore IC needed to be instanced there. Well, PVP (dueling) is now available everywhere so it's time to move the entrance out of Cyrodiil.

PVErs who hate PVP, will now want to enter IC since they don't have to enter Cyrodiil. We all know PVErs are the vast majority of players. This would seem like a logical decision to sell the IC DLC to PVErs.

And PVPers will be celebrate not having IC players take up the population. Nothing more frustrating than having 3 bars of population, and then having only 3 keeps because all those players are in IC instead of fighting above ground.

***No PVP Elitists Trolls Please***

well, while I also mostly play PVE, this what you are proposing would have no sense, as the Imperial City is in Cyrodiil (capital city of this province), so it can not have entrances outside of Cyrodiil, as it is located in the centre of Cyrodiil.

But there is an easy solution for this: choose a campaing with the least enemy population.


But yes, an option to port directly to IC using wayshrines would be nice.

#SayNoToHorseRidingSimulatorForPvpNoobs GiveUsWayshrineAccessToIC!!

Jbugz97

yes OP i think they should just separate the too have IC to be enter just like cyrodill you que in for it and get teleported

s_jscorpiorwb17_ESO

Are they not making the IC flags count towards the war score. Also they should both have seperate player counts.