PTS Feedback Thread for Sorcerer Balance Improvements

Lylith · January 2017

in pvp it's not boring.

you're dead.

DisgracefulMind · January 2017

I understand the desire to want to simplify rotations in PvE, and I understand wanting to drop burst a bit, but I still can't seem to understand why magicka sorc burst is being destroyed while burst from almost every stamina spec are still going to remain extremely high in PvP. It just...doesn't seem fair, simply put. The VC change is stupid. Plain and simple. I don't see why Daedric Prey can't just be given the Haunting Curse morph. Seems like it would be a good compromise /:

Birdovic · January 2017

It is the best compromise, like 8/10 to 9/10 people agree with that.
Keeping the patch history so far in mind, I doubt this will happen to be honest.
But IF it happens, I understand this as a sign that finally the devs listen more to the community, its pretty rare that so many people from both the PvE and PvP side, agree this much on something.

My guess?
"We listened to the community, and adjusted haunting curse. It now explodes every 5 seconds instead of every 6 seconds."

psychotic13 · January 2017

I take back what I previously said, after switching back to velocious curse after trying daedric prey, velocious is perfect as it is. Don't nerf it.

ZOS_RichLambert · January 2017

Just wanted to thank everyone for all the feedback in this thread. We are going to be making tweaks to Velocious Curse for the next PTS build:

Velocious Curse – This morph will still cause an echo, but now the explosions will occur at 3.5s and 8.5s, instead of 6s and 12s

psychotic13 · January 2017

Thanks! I think this is a great change thank you for taking your time to respond to us

lygerseye · January 2017

<bows graciously>

Thank you, sir!

Drummerx04 · January 2017

Wait... so you are telling me that when I'm hunting nb gankers in pvp that this skill will no longer pull them out of stealth once... but will instead pull them out of sleath TWICE!

Now that's a change I can enjoy.

I request one change to the functionality of overload. Many sorcs use it pretty much exclusively for the third bar. Currently, to me the third bar access is a bit awkward. I'm sort of punished for using a different ultimate because I can't access the third bar...
Would you consider modifying the activation requirements of overload?
Current requirements: Player must save at least 64 ultimate (after reduction passive) to activate overload and use the third bar. The player can then fire overload to basically 0 ultimate.
Proposed requirements: Player can activate overload at 0 ultimate, but an attempt to fire overload without at least 64 ultimate will simply disengage overload.

I can't really imagine anyone QQing over what I think is probably 2-4 shots of overload (i.e. a sorc would not be able to fire off the last 64 ult), but it would make the overload bar much more naturally accessible. A simple, yet user friendly alteration.

Dagoth_Rac · January 2017

Will the initial explosion and the echoing explosion have different sound effects? As someone who prefers to use in-game cues as opposed to having 700 buff trackers on screen, a different sound for each would be very much appreciated.

Drummerx04 · January 2017

CyrusArya · January 2017

My man. Thank you for considering our input, I don't wanna hear anyone ever say again how you guys don't listen or care.

DPShiro · January 2017

Thank you so much for this

omfgitsbatman · January 2017

Still no dark deal nerf? -.- come on

Hexys · January 2017

YES YES YES THANK YOU

olimarfreak · January 2017

PVP: I can see this ability being too strong. Since curse is currently unblockable, the new 6s/12s explosions make it easier for sorcs to stack up burst damage. Haunting curse, inevitable det, mages wrath, and frag procs will be the new mag sorc one-shot meta (or nearly one-shot). With velocious curse's shorter duration, it was much more difficult for players to line up that many skills to burst at once.

Please tell me more on how inevitable det should do dmg on single targets in PvP? The DMG was nerfed to the lowest and since no one is using DW as a Sorc this Skill isn't in use anymore

Brrrofski · January 2017

Yeh, you went from nerfing the skill in PvP to super buffing it.

Just reverting the changes would have been fine, honestly.

The 3.5 seconds thing was key, it times so well with burst from other skills.

Lendill · January 2017

Good thing with velicious curse

. 3.5 seconds and 7.5 seconds would be better but at least not that 6 and 12 second thing.

I actually use overload under certain circumstances :
- When i´m out of mana fighting a world boss to get some magicka back or when i´m in a 4 people dungeon with a healer that gives me literally no support.
- the third bar.
- VMA

Maybe it is possible to change Ultimate points if they are going to be changed from 1000 to 750 instead 1000 to 500? Or maybe reduce the cost of Overload?

FriedEggSandwich · January 2017

Cheers mate

Minalan · January 2017

you all ZOS!

Flaminir · January 2017

Really like the curse change now. Great job!

Now just need to revert the ultimate nerf from 500 back to 1000 and I'll be reasonably happy!

STEVIL · January 2017

Why? based on what they did in "reverting" VC, they should also "revert" the ult back from 750 to 1500!

AsheronRealaidain · January 2017

Awesome change. 3.5 seconds really is perfect for our burst rotation which is 100% necessary. 8.5 still gives enough time for someone to purge the echo but isn't a ridiculous 12 seconds leaving us waiting to cast again if they don't. Balance seems to be good.

NordSwordnBoard · January 2017

This, or going back to the current live version if the new one just isn't right sounds so much better.

Rex-Umbra · January 2017

This sounds OP.

Minalan · January 2017

It's not a huge PVP buff, most sorcs are going to keep recasting it after the 3.5 second detonation to keep pressure up. Which makes it.. no different than it is today.

You only get a 5 second 'echo' explosion if you're CC'ed or something basically, which is a small buff I suppose. But I never have a problem keeping the 3.5 second explosions up, dual wield depends on them.

It'll also make it harder for nightblades to escape after a gank attempt. I'm sure you can see all of my tears of sympathy for them. It's a big deal because if they don't heal the first, they'll die from the second, and they have to leave cloak to vigor heal.

Sandman929 · January 2017

I don't know about that. Any sorc was immediately reapplying a 3.5s Curse the instant it exploded anyway. It's now just a little bit easier on the Sorc resources if it's not purged.

STEVIL · January 2017

Really?

if shields or shuffle or volley or cfrags or almost any other frequently used vital for play hvy effect power in the game got a free after 6s redo my bet is there would be some concern.

But for me, note to self, do not swap VC for pet version which is now even more "nobody will ever use this over VC" than before.

At the very least they could have given the 6s second boom to the base power so both morphs got it.

Birdovic · January 2017

Now, really didn't expect that. Not. At. All.
It might not be the daedric prey combo many wished for (myself included), but this looks like a great alternative.

The 3.5s explosion still exists, while people can decide themselves, if they want to wait out the 2nd one 5sec later, or simply reapply it themselves.

@ZOS_RichLambert

Im taking back everything, thanks fo listening!

Jsmalls · January 2017

Greatly appreciated.

DHale · January 2017

Mmmmuuuucccchhhhh better thank you.