Update 13 - Sneak peak notes

Parafrost

Bandit1215 wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Once again a bad change on the proc sets to try and make PvP happy. The burst is fine when fightning mobs with millions of health or that one shot or nearly one shot players. This should had either been left alone or figured out a way to turn the crit off while in Cyrodiil only.

You will never be able to balance PvE items in PvP settings it's impossible stop trying to do so, and just make items and skills that can only be used in PvE or PvP content.

Proc sets in PvE are for people who have *** builds and rotations to prop themselves upon. If you use proc sets in PvE to get good DPS, it is nothing compared to what an actually good setup is, and you need to work on your build.

Clarkieson wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Once again a bad change on the proc sets to try and make PvP happy. The burst is fine when fightning mobs with millions of health or that one shot or nearly one shot players. This should had either been left alone or figured out a way to turn the crit off while in Cyrodiil only.

You will never be able to balance PvE items in PvP settings it's impossible stop trying to do so, and just make items and skills that can only be used in PvE or PvP content.

Proc sets in PvE are for people who have *** builds and rotations to prop themselves upon. If you use proc sets in PvE to get good DPS, it is nothing compared to what an actually good setup is, and you need to work on your build.

Lol

If you want to not use proc sets in pve then dont. Your dps will not be as high as a proc user. If you have a good build and rotation a proc will add to your damage output

Some people just dont understand what good dps is @Clarkieson He probably sits at 30k dps thinking it is good when in fact it is terrible.

DocFrost72

Inb4 people realize that wearing 2 pce Llambris, Kragh, or Velidreth is stiil excessively better than wearing a crafted two piece set.

OrphanHelgen

Bandit1215 wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Once again a bad change on the proc sets to try and make PvP happy. The burst is fine when fightning mobs with millions of health or that one shot or nearly one shot players. This should had either been left alone or figured out a way to turn the crit off while in Cyrodiil only.

You will never be able to balance PvE items in PvP settings it's impossible stop trying to do so, and just make items and skills that can only be used in PvE or PvP content.

Proc sets in PvE are for people who have *** builds and rotations to prop themselves upon. If you use proc sets in PvE to get good DPS, it is nothing compared to what an actually good setup is, and you need to work on your build.

Not sure what "good dps" you talk about here, but with proc sets or not, a player with over 50k on every boss in trials, know what he is doing. You cant just equip proc sets and get that dps. Maybe for your 25k pledge group, but not in high end game competive plays.

Parafrost

templesus wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Proc sets not criting in PvE is stupid, beyond stupid. What the hell am I supposed to do with builds like my stamplars that relies on Selenes and Alkosh with Leviathan. You just wrecked my ***. Alkosh is a crit and proc damage set all in one do you see how backwards your decisions are? ZOS you guys keep making more and more bad decisions. Your inability to separate PvP problems from PvE continues to diminish the game.

Precise, Thief and Shadow mundus, CP passives, Undaunted helms sets, 5 piece sets with procs, Sets with crit in them all going down the drain. The undaunted sets alone are 1/3 -1/4 of our setups.

This should have been a battle spirit nerf to base damage of proc sets to PvP ONLY. I bet this is them taking the easiest/laziest way to reduce these sets. More PvP garbage being taken out on PvE.

Time to go back to stacking weapon/spell power.

stacking weapon and spell power should be the way to go

if you are broken because gear proc'd damage doesn't crit anymore: LOL

Nothing ever said this was meant to fix PVP either. Proc is out of control in PVE too but it's not mentioned much because it's not killing other players.

Yeah clearly it is a good idea when it breaks so many factors like all the ones I listed. You are a known forum flamer and apparently developer suck up.

Oooo 'suck up'. That's new.

Is it true, @ZOS_RichLambert ? SAY IT ISN'T SO

Since you have no clue here are a few more things this tanks some steam out of: major and minor force, hemorrhage, pressure points, exploitation and piercing spear class passives. These are just the crit based issues. I could list dozens more in various fields. Come back when you have an argument that is not just LOL.

You are just a bad troll trolling badly.

Sounds like you've got some major L2P issues that you'll need to sort out

I can Flawless Conqueror any alt at will my tank and healer included and get 500k+ scores. vMaw tank and Dps completions I even loan out to high end guilds. vDSA, all trials, all dungeons all roles with extreme talent. If I only get 30k single target Dps I consider it a bad fight for me. 22,000 achievement score. 10 Alts varying classes and stam/mag well geared. I have one of the best gear collections in game especially staffs and dual wielders. I could keep going @AzraelKrieg. What can you do? Just remember pugs like you L2P from guys like me.

Sounds like you're good PvNPCs, but how do you do when it comes to duels? If you aren't good.......l2p

Duels mean nothing.

Parafrost

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Inb4 people realize that wearing 2 pce Llambris, Kragh, or Velidreth is stiil excessively better than wearing a crafted two piece set.

It'll be better, but it'll still be nerfing our damage considerably.

Clarkieson

Parafrost wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Once again a bad change on the proc sets to try and make PvP happy. The burst is fine when fightning mobs with millions of health or that one shot or nearly one shot players. This should had either been left alone or figured out a way to turn the crit off while in Cyrodiil only.

You will never be able to balance PvE items in PvP settings it's impossible stop trying to do so, and just make items and skills that can only be used in PvE or PvP content.

Proc sets in PvE are for people who have *** builds and rotations to prop themselves upon. If you use proc sets in PvE to get good DPS, it is nothing compared to what an actually good setup is, and you need to work on your build.

Clarkieson wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Once again a bad change on the proc sets to try and make PvP happy. The burst is fine when fightning mobs with millions of health or that one shot or nearly one shot players. This should had either been left alone or figured out a way to turn the crit off while in Cyrodiil only.

You will never be able to balance PvE items in PvP settings it's impossible stop trying to do so, and just make items and skills that can only be used in PvE or PvP content.

Proc sets in PvE are for people who have *** builds and rotations to prop themselves upon. If you use proc sets in PvE to get good DPS, it is nothing compared to what an actually good setup is, and you need to work on your build.

Lol

If you want to not use proc sets in pve then dont. Your dps will not be as high as a proc user. If you have a good build and rotation a proc will add to your damage output

Some people just dont understand what good dps is @Clarkieson He probably sits at 30k dps thinking it is good when in fact it is terrible.

Dps is a funny old thing, if stuff in fromt of you melts you have no reason to question your dps. High dps means that things with 60 million health take less time to kill. Killing trash is no measure of dps, and niether is bloodspawn or slimecraw

SublimeSparo

Rakkhat: "ZoS I'm sick of these scrub players proccing their grothdars and llambris meta crap on and melting my 60-86M health so quickly, it's so unfair."
Hulk: "I know right, I've only got 5M health, think how bad it is for me, I barely get time to hit the tanks 3 times and completely shatter their armour, it's BS, ZoS plz nerf."

Parafrost

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Rakkhat: "ZoS I'm sick of these scrub players proccing their grothdars and llambris meta crap on and melting my 60-86M health so quickly, it's so unfair."
Hulk: "I know right, I've only got 5M health, think how bad it is for me, I barely get time to hit the tanks 3 times and completely shatter their armour, it's BS, ZoS plz nerf."

Nice scenario lol

Sigtric

nordsavage wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Proc sets not criting in PvE is stupid, beyond stupid. What the hell am I supposed to do with builds like my stamplars that relies on Selenes and Alkosh with Leviathan. You just wrecked my ***. Alkosh is a crit and proc damage set all in one do you see how backwards your decisions are? ZOS you guys keep making more and more bad decisions. Your inability to separate PvP problems from PvE continues to diminish the game.

Precise, Thief and Shadow mundus, CP passives, Undaunted helms sets, 5 piece sets with procs, Sets with crit in them all going down the drain. The undaunted sets alone are 1/3 -1/4 of our setups.

This should have been a battle spirit nerf to base damage of proc sets to PvP ONLY. I bet this is them taking the easiest/laziest way to reduce these sets. More PvP garbage being taken out on PvE.

Time to go back to stacking weapon/spell power.

stacking weapon and spell power should be the way to go

if you are broken because gear proc'd damage doesn't crit anymore: LOL

Nothing ever said this was meant to fix PVP either. Proc is out of control in PVE too but it's not mentioned much because it's not killing other players.

Yeah clearly it is a good idea when it breaks so many factors like all the ones I listed. You are a known forum flamer and apparently developer suck up.

Oooo 'suck up'. That's new.

Is it true, @ZOS_RichLambert ? SAY IT ISN'T SO

Since you have no clue here are a few more things this tanks some steam out of: major and minor force, hemorrhage, pressure points, exploitation and piercing spear class passives. These are just the crit based issues. I could list dozens more in various fields. Come back when you have an argument that is not just LOL.

You are just a bad troll trolling badly.

Sounds like you've got some major L2P issues that you'll need to sort out

I can Flawless Conqueror any alt at will my tank and healer included and get 500k+ scores. vMaw tank and Dps completions I even loan out to high end guilds. vDSA, all trials, all dungeons all roles with extreme talent. If I only get 30k single target Dps I consider it a bad fight for me. 22,000 achievement score. 10 Alts varying classes and stam/mag well geared. I have one of the best gear collections in game especially staffs and dual wielders. I could keep going @AzraelKrieg. What can you do? Just remember pugs like you L2P from guys like me.

Soooooooooo considering all the things you previously listed as "broken"...

You wont be able to do anything of these amazing accomplishments anymore. Crits from procs were that important?
Or are you a good player and don't need to lean on them as a crutch?

Majeure

What the ... you can't be serious ... RIP PvE monster sets, so glad I farmed my ass off for those divines pieces in the correct armor weights, oh wait... Really disappointed if this is the best solution you could come up with.

EldritchPenguin

Majeure wrote: »

What the ... you can't be serious ... RIP PvE monster sets, so glad I farmed my ass off for those divines pieces in the correct armor weights, oh wait... Really disappointed if this is the best solution you could come up with.

They're still going to be massively better than just about anything else you can put in those two gear slots.

Edziu

Xsorus wrote: »

I love that people think that Non Critting Proc sets won't make them usable in PVE anymore lol

Sigtric wrote: »

As far as we know right now proc sets are still available and wont be disappearing (that's a shame)

You're loosing what should be a minimal amount of DPS off the top of procs, which probably never should have critted in the first place.

So yeah, if your character is ruined because suddenly viper's doesn't crit, get good.

as I wrote before in this thread, viper on pve is fine for me, getting around 3k addition dps from this set with nice support etc, 75% crit rate, but as I see crit and non crit hits from viper then if it will have no any crit chance then dps from viper will drop from 3k to 1k or 1.5k from me, then this is just not worth to even keep this crap in bank

kragh for 2 pieces similiar, it doesnt to good dps itself, its good only by 1st piece, for 2 pieces it have maybe 2-2.5k addition dps which will also drop to 1k dps with no crits, then just chance 2nd crap piece for any other monster set piece for just set bonus

DocFrost72

Parafrost wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Inb4 people realize that wearing 2 pce Llambris, Kragh, or Velidreth is stiil excessively better than wearing a crafted two piece set.

It'll be better, but it'll still be nerfing our damage considerably.

I understand the worry, I really do, and will be testing to see how much this affects me. My post was more aimed for the-

"ZOMG ZOSE Y U NERF ME SO HARD ALL PROC SETS JUNK"

-crowd.

Will this affect PvE DPS? Undoubtedly, and we'll need to see what happens and how it happens. This is going live on the PTS in a few weeks, and we'll be able to see for ourselves. I just hate mass hysteria, I really do (RIP me living in the US atm).

Skcarkden

I like how ZOS specifically made it clear that the proc set nerfs are going to be for both PVE and PVP, as if PVE and PVP are ever treater separately to begin with when it's not.

Sounds more like they wanted to make sure PVE'rs know that something is nerfed because of PVP.

Would be too unproffesional of ZOS to outright say "We're punishing everyone because PVP won't shut up every time they die to a paper cut"

leepalmer95

Skcarkden wrote: »

I like how ZOS specifically made it clear that the proc set nerfs are going to be for both PVE and PVP, as if PVE and PVP are ever treater separately to begin with when it's not.

Sounds more like they wanted to make sure PVE'rs know that something is nerfed because of PVP.

Would be too unproffesional of ZOS to outright say "We're punishing everyone because PVP won't shut up every time they die to a paper cut"

And yet any good high end pve'er knows that proc sets are over performing end game pve. Difference is the scripted mobs can't complain.

Parafrost

Skcarkden wrote: »

I like how ZOS specifically made it clear that the proc set nerfs are going to be for both PVE and PVP, as if PVE and PVP are ever treater separately to begin with when it's not.

Sounds more like they wanted to make sure PVE'rs know that something is nerfed because of PVP.

Would be too unproffesional of ZOS to outright say "We're punishing everyone because PVP won't shut up every time they die to a paper cut"

More like a knife to the throat.

Liofa

They also said that they will be making Health attribute valuable . Hope we can get some info on that topic as well .

Maybe , just maybe , they will make Health really useful and we will want to get more Health . So we will be able to survive 3 proc sets hitting at the same time . Still , they will hit a lot but never will 1-shot .

Food for thought .

Doctordarkspawn

Liofa wrote: »

They also said that they will be making Health attribute valuable . Hope we can get some info on that topic as well .

Maybe , just maybe , they will make Health really useful and we will want to get more Health . So we will be able to survive 3 proc sets hitting at the same time . Still , they will hit a lot but never will 1-shot .

Food for thought .

Here's hoping for DR scaling with health. I'd -love- it if meatsack builds were viable.

AzraelKrieg

nordsavage wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Proc sets not criting in PvE is stupid, beyond stupid. What the hell am I supposed to do with builds like my stamplars that relies on Selenes and Alkosh with Leviathan. You just wrecked my ***. Alkosh is a crit and proc damage set all in one do you see how backwards your decisions are? ZOS you guys keep making more and more bad decisions. Your inability to separate PvP problems from PvE continues to diminish the game.

Precise, Thief and Shadow mundus, CP passives, Undaunted helms sets, 5 piece sets with procs, Sets with crit in them all going down the drain. The undaunted sets alone are 1/3 -1/4 of our setups.

This should have been a battle spirit nerf to base damage of proc sets to PvP ONLY. I bet this is them taking the easiest/laziest way to reduce these sets. More PvP garbage being taken out on PvE.

Time to go back to stacking weapon/spell power.

stacking weapon and spell power should be the way to go

if you are broken because gear proc'd damage doesn't crit anymore: LOL

Nothing ever said this was meant to fix PVP either. Proc is out of control in PVE too but it's not mentioned much because it's not killing other players.

Yeah clearly it is a good idea when it breaks so many factors like all the ones I listed. You are a known forum flamer and apparently developer suck up.

Oooo 'suck up'. That's new.

Is it true, @ZOS_RichLambert ? SAY IT ISN'T SO

Since you have no clue here are a few more things this tanks some steam out of: major and minor force, hemorrhage, pressure points, exploitation and piercing spear class passives. These are just the crit based issues. I could list dozens more in various fields. Come back when you have an argument that is not just LOL.

You are just a bad troll trolling badly.

Sounds like you've got some major L2P issues that you'll need to sort out

I can Flawless Conqueror any alt at will my tank and healer included and get 500k+ scores. vMaw tank and Dps completions I even loan out to high end guilds. vDSA, all trials, all dungeons all roles with extreme talent. If I only get 30k single target Dps I consider it a bad fight for me. 22,000 achievement score. 10 Alts varying classes and stam/mag well geared. I have one of the best gear collections in game especially staffs and dual wielders. I could keep going @AzraelKrieg. What can you do? Just remember pugs like you L2P from guys like me.

I don't learn from you. I learn from doing stuff myself. You are not a factor in anything I do, nor what anyone else does for that matter. There people better than you that people are more willing to learn from. You can go on about all your achievements all you want but all you're really doing is trying to make your e-peen bigger because you're an insignificant aspect to everyone else.

SunfireKnight86

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Majeure wrote: »

What the ... you can't be serious ... RIP PvE monster sets, so glad I farmed my ass off for those divines pieces in the correct armor weights, oh wait... Really disappointed if this is the best solution you could come up with.

They're still going to be massively better than just about anything else you can put in those two gear slots.

Shhhh. Let them *** and moan and then pretend like they knew it would be okay all along when the update drops.

Thornen

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

PvPers want more things to spend AP on
We've been working on ways to add more things that you can purchase with AP. With Update 13, we are updating the PVP vendors in your home keeps and adding a new item - Zone Bags. These Zone Bags contain a set item from an overland zone and will scale to your level. For example: the Auridon Zone Bag will only have Queen's Elegance, Twin Sisters and Veiled Heritance item sets in it. The bags will cost 5K AP and always contain one green or blue quality item in them.

I can just see me installing update 13 logging in to Cyrodiil, buying 1 of these bags and opening it up to get a prosperous item. At least I get to keep using my proc sets lul.

Parafrost

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

I like how ZOS specifically made it clear that the proc set nerfs are going to be for both PVE and PVP, as if PVE and PVP are ever treater separately to begin with when it's not.

Sounds more like they wanted to make sure PVE'rs know that something is nerfed because of PVP.

Would be too unproffesional of ZOS to outright say "We're punishing everyone because PVP won't shut up every time they die to a paper cut"

And yet any good high end pve'er knows that proc sets are over performing end game pve. Difference is the scripted mobs can't complain.

IMO sets should be overperforming in pve only lol.

Clarkieson

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Rakkhat: "ZoS I'm sick of these scrub players proccing their grothdars and llambris meta crap on and melting my 60-86M health so quickly, it's so unfair."
Hulk: "I know right, I've only got 5M health, think how bad it is for me, I barely get time to hit the tanks 3 times and completely shatter their armour, it's BS, ZoS plz nerf."

Valkyn skoria: you think thats bad i get killed on 2 platforms again, nerf these dam players already zos!

Slimecraw: go home skoria, im the new "dps" test now think how bad i feel

Bloodspawn: cheers slimey, you really took the heat off me!

Clarkieson

Hey guys you know that all this is set in stone already, even if that break the game on the PTS, all this is going live in the next patch

Mark

My

Words

Nothing will change between now and update 14

leepalmer95

Clarkieson wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Rakkhat: "ZoS I'm sick of these scrub players proccing their grothdars and llambris meta crap on and melting my 60-86M health so quickly, it's so unfair."
Hulk: "I know right, I've only got 5M health, think how bad it is for me, I barely get time to hit the tanks 3 times and completely shatter their armour, it's BS, ZoS plz nerf."

Valkyn skoria: you think thats bad i get killed on 2 platforms again, nerf these dam players already zos!

Slimecraw: go home skoria, im the new "dps" test now think how bad i feel

Bloodspawn: cheers slimey, you really took the heat off me!

Bloodspawn : It was embarrassing getting solo's by single players n under a minute, i'm mean't to be a boss mob dammit!

leepalmer95

Clarkieson wrote: »

Hey guys you know that all this is set in stone already, even if that break the game on the PTS, all this is going live in the next patch

Mark

My

Words

Nothing will change between now and update 14

Lies there is always a little game breaking surprise thrown in between the last pts patch version and the live update.

First was the uncalled for gap closer snare that somehow just ended up in the game.

Then there was the doubling cost poisons to 60% despite everyone asking for the effectiveness of the 30% to be lowered.


This ones gonna be: 'In return for making proc sets uncritable we have balanced this by increasing all proc set dmg by 30%'

Parafrost

Molag Kena: Why do I even summon my atro, itll just die in 2 hits...
Lord Warden: These plebs keep avoiding my portals, pls add more portals dammit!

Vaoh

Hello @ZOS_RichLambert I have a quick but important question!

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

Stuck in combat in Cyrodiil
This has been an ongoing issue in Cyrodiil for a long time now – due to the nature of combat in Cyrodiil there were cascading threat issues between players. (i.e. – You fight another player and all the threat they have on them is transferred to you) We’ve changed how threat is transferred between players and when Update 13 goes live, you should always drop combat properly after 6 seconds of ending a battle. Note: If you are grouped with other players and they are actively in combat, you will still be considered in combat as well.

Will you be considered "In Combat" if a groupmate of yours is fighting at Chalman Keep while you're at Alessia Bridge?

In other words, what is the general amount of space that needs to be between you and your group in order for you not to be pushed into Combat (if possible).

Brutusmax1mus

Great, so you're nerfing everything bc of broken synergies?!?! There are so many awful things i want to say....

You're idiots, that's all i can say. The people in this company are idiots.

a_Beautiful_Mind2

It would be nice if there were a way to separate PVE builds from pvp builds..certain loadouts only allowed in either and that way neither gets too out of balance like pvp has gotten to accommodate the increased levels of trials and will continue to grow as the future of the game continues. This unnecessary removal of crits from PVE (if it sticks according to these notes) is going to hinder trials groups from their current work they have put in to get their groups to where they are.