Miat's PVP Alerts Addon

Derra

Erynyes wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

The creation of this mod is different than finding build/owns that give an advantage; it's literally using raw information and organizing it in a way that lets a player knows of incoming attacks and let's them know players are nearby. That's a huge advantage in a game where intuition and fair play should be promoted.

And again i can only ask:

How can do you justify instantkills from previously invisible players as "fair" gameplay? Because the gamemechanics allow it?

Because the same reasoning works for this addon. The games api allows it.

Edit: Don´t get me wrong i´d be all in favor of them removing all addon functionality if they in return would be able to provide a 100% working game. But they can´t.
And as long as i get hit by invisible CC and dmg i want/need addons telling me what the actual freaking coitus is happening.

I can't. But I'm not going to justify creating and using an add-on that give me an advantage over the rest of the playerbase.

I'm up for game balance, but this is "vigilante-developing" and in violation of the ToS. At least CE didn't pretend it was a legitimate add-on just to convince people it's OK to abuse the Tos.

It´s about as much an abuse of the tos as doublemundus and magelight on overload bar.
ZOS is investigating and before they fix their issue in the code nothing happens. Ever.

That's still on the player base to adhere to the binding legal document they signed when they installed the game and signed up to use ESO.

It's also one thing to not ban players for some of the in game bugs; things like double mundas stone could happen without the player knowing. It's entirely something different to install a mod, that clearly states how it's using information that isn't available to everyone on their UI interface. In this case the player knows well what the mid is doing and is seeking to gain an edge and willing installing said program.

Total ban for those players caught using it after the stance switch and ban for the creators, unless they told zos before installing it and got the greenlight to test it without harm. Or just lock the API and keep people on the same UI playing field.

I can´t express my opinion about the "ban the creator" statement without violating the forum tos.

Also any bufftracker is displaying information not accessible to everyone and presents a very clear in combat advantage over players not using one. Do you want to ban everyone using a bufftracker aswell?

apple and orange? Derra you made it quite clear you only support this addon because you are against stealth in pvp, and i do agree that stealth is broken atm, but your bias just blindfold you away from the issue these API manipulation raises, it's unhealthy for pvp period, it's game breaking. Defending cheese cuz you'r against another cheese is still cheese, just sayin...
It also baffle me that skilled and competitive guild leaders like Mano support that crap, winning at all cost bs

To be perfectly honest i have the hope that the fecestorm created over this addon gets someone at zos thinking why there are people defending it (and the main reason here is stealth ganking).
If anyone at zos is smart enough to figure that out they´ll maybe not only fix the issue with this addon but also do something about ganking.
I´m just hoping at a chance for two at the price of one.

God_flakes

Ghostbane wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

I am not endorsing anything. I am just pointing out the facts against the argument that "This is cheating, and people need banned"

And no, I don't currently run it. I barely have any addons on because I struggle for playable fps/latency as it is.

I also run only one-I have a potion maker one but it's only on when I need it. I'm a traditional nerd and game purist. I don't like packing on a bunch of stuff to my rig and my game-I like it "clean". I want to know what I can blame the devs for, rather than also having players and add on creators to blame, which just leads to more anger and toxicity in our community-as you can see with the calls for bans.

Derra

God_flakes wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

I am not endorsing anything. I am just pointing out the facts against the argument that "This is cheating, and people need banned"

And no, I don't currently run it. I barely have any addons on because I struggle for playable fps/latency as it is.

I also run only one-I have a potion maker one but it's only on when I need it. I'm a traditional nerd and game purist. I don't like packing on a bunch of stuff to my rig and my game-I like it "clean". I want to know what I can blame the devs for, rather than also having players and add on creators to blame, which just leads to more anger and toxicity in our community-as you can see with the calls for bans.

Ironically a potion maker is an addon automating player actions which is more against the tos than this addon is

#doublestandards

God_flakes

Derra wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

I am not endorsing anything. I am just pointing out the facts against the argument that "This is cheating, and people need banned"

And no, I don't currently run it. I barely have any addons on because I struggle for playable fps/latency as it is.

I also run only one-I have a potion maker one but it's only on when I need it. I'm a traditional nerd and game purist. I don't like packing on a bunch of stuff to my rig and my game-I like it "clean". I want to know what I can blame the devs for, rather than also having players and add on creators to blame, which just leads to more anger and toxicity in our community-as you can see with the calls for bans.

Ironically a potion maker is an addon automating player actions which is more against the tos then this addon is

#doublestandards

It's not automating my actions at all. It's a very simple potion/poison maker that shows me in more detail what I can make and can't make. It doesn't pick or purchase ingredients for me, it doesn't find concoctions for me and doesn't do anything the base game doesn't do in terms of creation. I still hit a button and 4 potions are made. It merely stores my alchemical stuff and is slightly more detailed. How is this a cheat that affords me an unfair combat advantage?

Manoekin

God_flakes wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Well ZOS hinted with their post on the thread in general disc that because the addon doesn't show specific locations of stealthed players that the addon is allowed which I 100% agree with.

Either take stealth out of the game, or allow the addon.

The argument is that:
1) it still tells you how many players nearby. You can avoid fights and hit targets to your benefit which is essentially an unfair advantage to those that do not run this mod.

You mean like stealth?

Minno wrote: »

2) stealth, despite having broken aspects to it, is still a fun playstyle for people. Denying them this ruins a core playstyle in any battlefield simulated game; the element of surprise.

And the element of free stun and bonus damage. You don't necessarily need stealth to get the element of surprise, stealth is only a crutch to guarantee that you get it.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

ROFL.

That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.

umm no....its not....

mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game

So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:

• Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
• Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
• Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)

Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addon

Ok so I might be wrong here, but I don't think addons and mods are the same thing.

An addon isn't a third party software. An addon isn't a mod, you aren't modifying the existing game code, you are adding to it.
There are no stat changes, speed changes, cooldown changes, or anything altering the game. It's not a radar, it's not a wallhack (you've got tab target for that remember?)

It doesn't impact anyone else in the way the tos means it, you are misinterpreting the tos words. Just like killing someone doesn't impact their game.
No one is taking stealth away from players, they can still use it. It doesn't change anything for people not using the addon.
It changes the way their target might react to the stealther engaging them.

So I don't think this is against the tos.

Now is it overpowered? That's an other question. I think it is, but I also think stealth for everyone in PvP is idiotic, so I fully support the addon as long as stealth remains in its current state.

You refer to stealth as a "crutch" and want to see it removed but approve of a blatant and pathetic crutches like this add on. Smfh. I can hardly believe the mentality I am seeing here.

Ghostbane wrote: »

Dodge notifications have been available since the start of the game via stabilizer add-ons such as Combat Cloud.

Because it tells you what the attack is, and who it is by, people are crying NSA.

#getSnowdened

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

No one cares about that. If you want to compare "training wheels", why do people stand next to 40 other people to help prevent dying? You're an expert on that one.

God_flakes

Manoekin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Well ZOS hinted with their post on the thread in general disc that because the addon doesn't show specific locations of stealthed players that the addon is allowed which I 100% agree with.

Either take stealth out of the game, or allow the addon.

The argument is that:
1) it still tells you how many players nearby. You can avoid fights and hit targets to your benefit which is essentially an unfair advantage to those that do not run this mod.

You mean like stealth?

Minno wrote: »

2) stealth, despite having broken aspects to it, is still a fun playstyle for people. Denying them this ruins a core playstyle in any battlefield simulated game; the element of surprise.

And the element of free stun and bonus damage. You don't necessarily need stealth to get the element of surprise, stealth is only a crutch to guarantee that you get it.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

ROFL.

That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.

umm no....its not....

mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game

So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:

• Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
• Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
• Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)

Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addon

Ok so I might be wrong here, but I don't think addons and mods are the same thing.

An addon isn't a third party software. An addon isn't a mod, you aren't modifying the existing game code, you are adding to it.
There are no stat changes, speed changes, cooldown changes, or anything altering the game. It's not a radar, it's not a wallhack (you've got tab target for that remember?)

It doesn't impact anyone else in the way the tos means it, you are misinterpreting the tos words. Just like killing someone doesn't impact their game.
No one is taking stealth away from players, they can still use it. It doesn't change anything for people not using the addon.
It changes the way their target might react to the stealther engaging them.

So I don't think this is against the tos.

Now is it overpowered? That's an other question. I think it is, but I also think stealth for everyone in PvP is idiotic, so I fully support the addon as long as stealth remains in its current state.

You refer to stealth as a "crutch" and want to see it removed but approve of a blatant and pathetic crutches like this add on. Smfh. I can hardly believe the mentality I am seeing here.

Ghostbane wrote: »

Dodge notifications have been available since the start of the game via stabilizer add-ons such as Combat Cloud.

Because it tells you what the attack is, and who it is by, people are crying NSA.

#getSnowdened

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

No one cares about that. If you want to compare "training wheels", why do people stand next to 40 other people to help prevent dying? You're an expert on that one.

Says the one who is constantly hiding in his own zerg and who runs tail tucked when his own zerg folds.



You. Running from me.

rfennell_ESO

Joy_Division wrote: »

LOL at all the ban talk.

Are you joking? Go back to law school. If the very company who is the arbiter of the ambiguous Terms of Service says is legal at this time, then it's legal.

The nature of most TOS is they aren't actually legally enforceable.

However the right to ban for nearly and sometimes no reason is also something you agree to.

The problem, in general, is that waivers regarding future events can't be ambiguous.

This does not stop the use of waivers and implied waivers (signs) from being commonplace... even though they are mostly legally void.

pcar944

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Well ZOS hinted with their post on the thread in general disc that because the addon doesn't show specific locations of stealthed players that the addon is allowed which I 100% agree with.

Either take stealth out of the game, or allow the addon.

The argument is that:
1) it still tells you how many players nearby. You can avoid fights and hit targets to your benefit which is essentially an unfair advantage to those that do not run this mod.

You mean like stealth?

Minno wrote: »

2) stealth, despite having broken aspects to it, is still a fun playstyle for people. Denying them this ruins a core playstyle in any battlefield simulated game; the element of surprise.

And the element of free stun and bonus damage. You don't necessarily need stealth to get the element of surprise, stealth is only a crutch to guarantee that you get it.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

ROFL.

That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.

umm no....its not....

mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game

So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:

• Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
• Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
• Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)

Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addon

Ok so I might be wrong here, but I don't think addons and mods are the same thing.

An addon isn't a third party software. An addon isn't a mod, you aren't modifying the existing game code, you are adding to it.
There are no stat changes, speed changes, cooldown changes, or anything altering the game. It's not a radar, it's not a wallhack (you've got tab target for that remember?)

It doesn't impact anyone else in the way the tos means it, you are misinterpreting the tos words. Just like killing someone doesn't impact their game.
No one is taking stealth away from players, they can still use it. It doesn't change anything for people not using the addon.
It changes the way their target might react to the stealther engaging them.

So I don't think this is against the tos.

Now is it overpowered? That's an other question. I think it is, but I also think stealth for everyone in PvP is idiotic, so I fully support the addon as long as stealth remains in its current state.

You refer to stealth as a "crutch" and want to see it removed but approve of a blatant and pathetic crutches like this add on. Smfh. I can hardly believe the mentality I am seeing here.

Ghostbane wrote: »

Dodge notifications have been available since the start of the game via stabilizer add-ons such as Combat Cloud.

Because it tells you what the attack is, and who it is by, people are crying NSA.

#getSnowdened

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

No one cares about that. If you want to compare "training wheels", why do people stand next to 40 other people to help prevent dying? You're an expert on that one.

Says the one who is constantly hiding in his own zerg and who runs tail tucked when his own zerg folds.



You. Running from me.

wtb Kappa emote

rfennell_ESO

God_flakes wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

I am not endorsing anything. I am just pointing out the facts against the argument that "This is cheating, and people need banned"

And no, I don't currently run it. I barely have any addons on because I struggle for playable fps/latency as it is.

I also run only one-I have a potion maker one but it's only on when I need it. I'm a traditional nerd and game purist. I don't like packing on a bunch of stuff to my rig and my game-I like it "clean". I want to know what I can blame the devs for, rather than also having players and add on creators to blame, which just leads to more anger and toxicity in our community-as you can see with the calls for bans.

Ironically a potion maker is an addon automating player actions which is more against the tos then this addon is

#doublestandards

It's not automating my actions at all. It's a very simple potion/poison maker that shows me in more detail what I can make and can't make. It doesn't pick or purchase ingredients for me, it doesn't find concoctions for me and doesn't do anything the base game doesn't do in terms of creation. I still hit a button and 4 potions are made. It merely stores my alchemical stuff and is slightly more detailed. How is this a cheat that affords me an unfair combat advantage?

There is an addon that automates the making of goods that doesn't require you to click but once.

It's a pretty clear violation of the TOS and something that can easily be done simply via most included macro software with any non generic mouse or keyboard or with an addon.

Is it bannable? Answer: according to the TOS it ought be, but it likely will not be met with a ban.

God_flakes

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

I am not endorsing anything. I am just pointing out the facts against the argument that "This is cheating, and people need banned"

And no, I don't currently run it. I barely have any addons on because I struggle for playable fps/latency as it is.

I also run only one-I have a potion maker one but it's only on when I need it. I'm a traditional nerd and game purist. I don't like packing on a bunch of stuff to my rig and my game-I like it "clean". I want to know what I can blame the devs for, rather than also having players and add on creators to blame, which just leads to more anger and toxicity in our community-as you can see with the calls for bans.

Ironically a potion maker is an addon automating player actions which is more against the tos then this addon is

#doublestandards

It's not automating my actions at all. It's a very simple potion/poison maker that shows me in more detail what I can make and can't make. It doesn't pick or purchase ingredients for me, it doesn't find concoctions for me and doesn't do anything the base game doesn't do in terms of creation. I still hit a button and 4 potions are made. It merely stores my alchemical stuff and is slightly more detailed. How is this a cheat that affords me an unfair combat advantage?

There is an addon that automates the making of goods that doesn't require you to click but once.

It's a pretty clear violation of the TOS and something that can easily be done simply via most included macro software with any non generic mouse or keyboard or with an addon.

Is it bannable? Answer: according to the TOS it ought be, but it likely will not be met with a ban.

Well that's not the one I use. The one I use requires me to hit R for every 4 potions. No different than the base game.

God_flakes

pcar944 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Well ZOS hinted with their post on the thread in general disc that because the addon doesn't show specific locations of stealthed players that the addon is allowed which I 100% agree with.

Either take stealth out of the game, or allow the addon.

The argument is that:
1) it still tells you how many players nearby. You can avoid fights and hit targets to your benefit which is essentially an unfair advantage to those that do not run this mod.

You mean like stealth?

Minno wrote: »

2) stealth, despite having broken aspects to it, is still a fun playstyle for people. Denying them this ruins a core playstyle in any battlefield simulated game; the element of surprise.

And the element of free stun and bonus damage. You don't necessarily need stealth to get the element of surprise, stealth is only a crutch to guarantee that you get it.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

ROFL.

That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.

umm no....its not....

mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game

So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:

• Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
• Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
• Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)

Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addon

Ok so I might be wrong here, but I don't think addons and mods are the same thing.

An addon isn't a third party software. An addon isn't a mod, you aren't modifying the existing game code, you are adding to it.
There are no stat changes, speed changes, cooldown changes, or anything altering the game. It's not a radar, it's not a wallhack (you've got tab target for that remember?)

It doesn't impact anyone else in the way the tos means it, you are misinterpreting the tos words. Just like killing someone doesn't impact their game.
No one is taking stealth away from players, they can still use it. It doesn't change anything for people not using the addon.
It changes the way their target might react to the stealther engaging them.

So I don't think this is against the tos.

Now is it overpowered? That's an other question. I think it is, but I also think stealth for everyone in PvP is idiotic, so I fully support the addon as long as stealth remains in its current state.

You refer to stealth as a "crutch" and want to see it removed but approve of a blatant and pathetic crutches like this add on. Smfh. I can hardly believe the mentality I am seeing here.

Ghostbane wrote: »

Dodge notifications have been available since the start of the game via stabilizer add-ons such as Combat Cloud.

Because it tells you what the attack is, and who it is by, people are crying NSA.

#getSnowdened

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

No one cares about that. If you want to compare "training wheels", why do people stand next to 40 other people to help prevent dying? You're an expert on that one.

Says the one who is constantly hiding in his own zerg and who runs tail tucked when his own zerg folds.



You. Running from me.

wtb Kappa emote

Point being what it is. That's me, *not* embedded in a zerg like he's always coming here and accusing me of and belittling me for. And that's him running from me, (whom he could probably kill) because his own personal zerg folded. If anyone thinks that a player as popular as Manoe in this game doesn't have an adoring zerg following him around, wanting in on the action, they're simply not playing this game and not in TF or not coming across him.

Ghostbane

God_flakes wrote: »

pcar944 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Well ZOS hinted with their post on the thread in general disc that because the addon doesn't show specific locations of stealthed players that the addon is allowed which I 100% agree with.

Either take stealth out of the game, or allow the addon.

The argument is that:
1) it still tells you how many players nearby. You can avoid fights and hit targets to your benefit which is essentially an unfair advantage to those that do not run this mod.

You mean like stealth?

Minno wrote: »

2) stealth, despite having broken aspects to it, is still a fun playstyle for people. Denying them this ruins a core playstyle in any battlefield simulated game; the element of surprise.

And the element of free stun and bonus damage. You don't necessarily need stealth to get the element of surprise, stealth is only a crutch to guarantee that you get it.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

ROFL.

That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.

umm no....its not....

mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game

So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:

• Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
• Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
• Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)

Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addon

Ok so I might be wrong here, but I don't think addons and mods are the same thing.

An addon isn't a third party software. An addon isn't a mod, you aren't modifying the existing game code, you are adding to it.
There are no stat changes, speed changes, cooldown changes, or anything altering the game. It's not a radar, it's not a wallhack (you've got tab target for that remember?)

It doesn't impact anyone else in the way the tos means it, you are misinterpreting the tos words. Just like killing someone doesn't impact their game.
No one is taking stealth away from players, they can still use it. It doesn't change anything for people not using the addon.
It changes the way their target might react to the stealther engaging them.

So I don't think this is against the tos.

Now is it overpowered? That's an other question. I think it is, but I also think stealth for everyone in PvP is idiotic, so I fully support the addon as long as stealth remains in its current state.

You refer to stealth as a "crutch" and want to see it removed but approve of a blatant and pathetic crutches like this add on. Smfh. I can hardly believe the mentality I am seeing here.

Ghostbane wrote: »

Dodge notifications have been available since the start of the game via stabilizer add-ons such as Combat Cloud.

Because it tells you what the attack is, and who it is by, people are crying NSA.

#getSnowdened

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

No one cares about that. If you want to compare "training wheels", why do people stand next to 40 other people to help prevent dying? You're an expert on that one.

Says the one who is constantly hiding in his own zerg and who runs tail tucked when his own zerg folds.



You. Running from me.

wtb Kappa emote

Point being what it is. That's me, *not* embedded in a zerg like he's always coming here and accusing me of and belittling me for. And that's him running from me, (whom he could probably kill) because his own personal zerg folded. If anyone thinks that a player as popular as Manoe in this game doesn't have an adoring zerg following him around, wanting in on the action, they're simply not playing this game and not in TF or not coming across him.

In the logic of this, the picture also shows him, on his own

rfennell_ESO

God_flakes wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

I am not endorsing anything. I am just pointing out the facts against the argument that "This is cheating, and people need banned"

And no, I don't currently run it. I barely have any addons on because I struggle for playable fps/latency as it is.

I also run only one-I have a potion maker one but it's only on when I need it. I'm a traditional nerd and game purist. I don't like packing on a bunch of stuff to my rig and my game-I like it "clean". I want to know what I can blame the devs for, rather than also having players and add on creators to blame, which just leads to more anger and toxicity in our community-as you can see with the calls for bans.

Ironically a potion maker is an addon automating player actions which is more against the tos then this addon is

#doublestandards

It's not automating my actions at all. It's a very simple potion/poison maker that shows me in more detail what I can make and can't make. It doesn't pick or purchase ingredients for me, it doesn't find concoctions for me and doesn't do anything the base game doesn't do in terms of creation. I still hit a button and 4 potions are made. It merely stores my alchemical stuff and is slightly more detailed. How is this a cheat that affords me an unfair combat advantage?

There is an addon that automates the making of goods that doesn't require you to click but once.

It's a pretty clear violation of the TOS and something that can easily be done simply via most included macro software with any non generic mouse or keyboard or with an addon.

Is it bannable? Answer: according to the TOS it ought be, but it likely will not be met with a ban.

Well that's not the one I use. The one I use requires me to hit R for every 4 potions. No different than the base game.

The point I was making is that using the one that does automate for you, while pretty clearly covered in the TOS... will likely not yield you getting banned.

The problem with legal wrangling is the terms of the legal system are all ambiguous and the enforcement is also ambiguous.

The TOS is far from bulletproof and even in portions where it may be is certainly something that can be challenged and the results in a court has more to do with the court than the law. They mostly enforce by your agreement that they can, and due to the trivial nature of a gaming rely on legal action versus their power not being something that's likely.

God_flakes

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

I am not endorsing anything. I am just pointing out the facts against the argument that "This is cheating, and people need banned"

And no, I don't currently run it. I barely have any addons on because I struggle for playable fps/latency as it is.

I also run only one-I have a potion maker one but it's only on when I need it. I'm a traditional nerd and game purist. I don't like packing on a bunch of stuff to my rig and my game-I like it "clean". I want to know what I can blame the devs for, rather than also having players and add on creators to blame, which just leads to more anger and toxicity in our community-as you can see with the calls for bans.

Ironically a potion maker is an addon automating player actions which is more against the tos then this addon is

#doublestandards

It's not automating my actions at all. It's a very simple potion/poison maker that shows me in more detail what I can make and can't make. It doesn't pick or purchase ingredients for me, it doesn't find concoctions for me and doesn't do anything the base game doesn't do in terms of creation. I still hit a button and 4 potions are made. It merely stores my alchemical stuff and is slightly more detailed. How is this a cheat that affords me an unfair combat advantage?

There is an addon that automates the making of goods that doesn't require you to click but once.

It's a pretty clear violation of the TOS and something that can easily be done simply via most included macro software with any non generic mouse or keyboard or with an addon.

Is it bannable? Answer: according to the TOS it ought be, but it likely will not be met with a ban.

Well that's not the one I use. The one I use requires me to hit R for every 4 potions. No different than the base game.

The point I was making is that using the one that does automate for you, while pretty clearly covered in the TOS... will likely not yield you getting banned.

The problem with legal wrangling is the terms of the legal system are all ambiguous and the enforcement is also ambiguous.

The TOS is far from bulletproof and even in portions where it may be is certainly something that can be challenged and the results in a court has more to do with the court than the law. They mostly enforce by your agreement that they can, and due to the trivial nature of a gaming rely on legal action versus their power not being something that's likely.

I don't advocate Miat being banned for creating this add on. I think the add on should be disabled. I agree with you about the tos being ambiguous and Zos being very arbitrary in how they handle these issues.

God_flakes

Ghostbane wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

pcar944 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Well ZOS hinted with their post on the thread in general disc that because the addon doesn't show specific locations of stealthed players that the addon is allowed which I 100% agree with.

Either take stealth out of the game, or allow the addon.

The argument is that:
1) it still tells you how many players nearby. You can avoid fights and hit targets to your benefit which is essentially an unfair advantage to those that do not run this mod.

You mean like stealth?

Minno wrote: »

2) stealth, despite having broken aspects to it, is still a fun playstyle for people. Denying them this ruins a core playstyle in any battlefield simulated game; the element of surprise.

And the element of free stun and bonus damage. You don't necessarily need stealth to get the element of surprise, stealth is only a crutch to guarantee that you get it.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

ROFL.

That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.

umm no....its not....

mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game

So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:

• Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
• Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
• Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)

Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addon

Ok so I might be wrong here, but I don't think addons and mods are the same thing.

An addon isn't a third party software. An addon isn't a mod, you aren't modifying the existing game code, you are adding to it.
There are no stat changes, speed changes, cooldown changes, or anything altering the game. It's not a radar, it's not a wallhack (you've got tab target for that remember?)

It doesn't impact anyone else in the way the tos means it, you are misinterpreting the tos words. Just like killing someone doesn't impact their game.
No one is taking stealth away from players, they can still use it. It doesn't change anything for people not using the addon.
It changes the way their target might react to the stealther engaging them.

So I don't think this is against the tos.

Now is it overpowered? That's an other question. I think it is, but I also think stealth for everyone in PvP is idiotic, so I fully support the addon as long as stealth remains in its current state.

You refer to stealth as a "crutch" and want to see it removed but approve of a blatant and pathetic crutches like this add on. Smfh. I can hardly believe the mentality I am seeing here.

Ghostbane wrote: »

Dodge notifications have been available since the start of the game via stabilizer add-ons such as Combat Cloud.

Because it tells you what the attack is, and who it is by, people are crying NSA.

#getSnowdened

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

No one cares about that. If you want to compare "training wheels", why do people stand next to 40 other people to help prevent dying? You're an expert on that one.

Says the one who is constantly hiding in his own zerg and who runs tail tucked when his own zerg folds.



You. Running from me.

wtb Kappa emote

Point being what it is. That's me, *not* embedded in a zerg like he's always coming here and accusing me of and belittling me for. And that's him running from me, (whom he could probably kill) because his own personal zerg folded. If anyone thinks that a player as popular as Manoe in this game doesn't have an adoring zerg following him around, wanting in on the action, they're simply not playing this game and not in TF or not coming across him.

In the logic of this, the picture also shows him, on his own

Because his adoring zerg folded. I was the only one who gave chase and attempted to face him down on my own. I'm not the coward hiding inside zergs he is constantly accusing me of being. I am not afraid of dying in this game. I don't need this game to build status or inflate my ego. My pic is demonstrative of my claims and flies in the face of his constant belittling of me.

rfennell_ESO

God_flakes wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

I am not endorsing anything. I am just pointing out the facts against the argument that "This is cheating, and people need banned"

And no, I don't currently run it. I barely have any addons on because I struggle for playable fps/latency as it is.

I also run only one-I have a potion maker one but it's only on when I need it. I'm a traditional nerd and game purist. I don't like packing on a bunch of stuff to my rig and my game-I like it "clean". I want to know what I can blame the devs for, rather than also having players and add on creators to blame, which just leads to more anger and toxicity in our community-as you can see with the calls for bans.

Ironically a potion maker is an addon automating player actions which is more against the tos then this addon is

#doublestandards

It's not automating my actions at all. It's a very simple potion/poison maker that shows me in more detail what I can make and can't make. It doesn't pick or purchase ingredients for me, it doesn't find concoctions for me and doesn't do anything the base game doesn't do in terms of creation. I still hit a button and 4 potions are made. It merely stores my alchemical stuff and is slightly more detailed. How is this a cheat that affords me an unfair combat advantage?

There is an addon that automates the making of goods that doesn't require you to click but once.

It's a pretty clear violation of the TOS and something that can easily be done simply via most included macro software with any non generic mouse or keyboard or with an addon.

Is it bannable? Answer: according to the TOS it ought be, but it likely will not be met with a ban.

Well that's not the one I use. The one I use requires me to hit R for every 4 potions. No different than the base game.

The point I was making is that using the one that does automate for you, while pretty clearly covered in the TOS... will likely not yield you getting banned.

The problem with legal wrangling is the terms of the legal system are all ambiguous and the enforcement is also ambiguous.

The TOS is far from bulletproof and even in portions where it may be is certainly something that can be challenged and the results in a court has more to do with the court than the law. They mostly enforce by your agreement that they can, and due to the trivial nature of a gaming rely on legal action versus their power not being something that's likely.

I don't advocate Miat being banned for creating this add on. I think the add on should be disabled. I agree with you about the tos being ambiguous and Zos being very arbitrary in how they handle these issues.

There was some of it in the thread, which was pretty laughable being that the majority of the "look at me" videos you will see posted in this sub forum are by cheaters who do not get banned.

Etaniel

God_flakes wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Well ZOS hinted with their post on the thread in general disc that because the addon doesn't show specific locations of stealthed players that the addon is allowed which I 100% agree with.

Either take stealth out of the game, or allow the addon.

The argument is that:
1) it still tells you how many players nearby. You can avoid fights and hit targets to your benefit which is essentially an unfair advantage to those that do not run this mod.

You mean like stealth?

Minno wrote: »

2) stealth, despite having broken aspects to it, is still a fun playstyle for people. Denying them this ruins a core playstyle in any battlefield simulated game; the element of surprise.

And the element of free stun and bonus damage. You don't necessarily need stealth to get the element of surprise, stealth is only a crutch to guarantee that you get it.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

ROFL.

That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.

umm no....its not....

mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game

So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:

• Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
• Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
• Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)

Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addon

Ok so I might be wrong here, but I don't think addons and mods are the same thing.

An addon isn't a third party software. An addon isn't a mod, you aren't modifying the existing game code, you are adding to it.
There are no stat changes, speed changes, cooldown changes, or anything altering the game. It's not a radar, it's not a wallhack (you've got tab target for that remember?)

It doesn't impact anyone else in the way the tos means it, you are misinterpreting the tos words. Just like killing someone doesn't impact their game.
No one is taking stealth away from players, they can still use it. It doesn't change anything for people not using the addon.
It changes the way their target might react to the stealther engaging them.

So I don't think this is against the tos.

Now is it overpowered? That's an other question. I think it is, but I also think stealth for everyone in PvP is idiotic, so I fully support the addon as long as stealth remains in its current state.

You refer to stealth as a "crutch" and want to see it removed but approve of a blatant and pathetic crutches like this add on. Smfh. I can hardly believe the mentality I am seeing here.

A crutch to partially counter a crutch. Seems fair

God_flakes

Etaniel wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Well ZOS hinted with their post on the thread in general disc that because the addon doesn't show specific locations of stealthed players that the addon is allowed which I 100% agree with.

Either take stealth out of the game, or allow the addon.

The argument is that:
1) it still tells you how many players nearby. You can avoid fights and hit targets to your benefit which is essentially an unfair advantage to those that do not run this mod.

You mean like stealth?

Minno wrote: »

2) stealth, despite having broken aspects to it, is still a fun playstyle for people. Denying them this ruins a core playstyle in any battlefield simulated game; the element of surprise.

And the element of free stun and bonus damage. You don't necessarily need stealth to get the element of surprise, stealth is only a crutch to guarantee that you get it.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

ROFL.

That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.

umm no....its not....

mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game

So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:

• Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
• Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
• Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)

Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addon

Ok so I might be wrong here, but I don't think addons and mods are the same thing.

An addon isn't a third party software. An addon isn't a mod, you aren't modifying the existing game code, you are adding to it.
There are no stat changes, speed changes, cooldown changes, or anything altering the game. It's not a radar, it's not a wallhack (you've got tab target for that remember?)

It doesn't impact anyone else in the way the tos means it, you are misinterpreting the tos words. Just like killing someone doesn't impact their game.
No one is taking stealth away from players, they can still use it. It doesn't change anything for people not using the addon.
It changes the way their target might react to the stealther engaging them.

So I don't think this is against the tos.

Now is it overpowered? That's an other question. I think it is, but I also think stealth for everyone in PvP is idiotic, so I fully support the addon as long as stealth remains in its current state.

You refer to stealth as a "crutch" and want to see it removed but approve of a blatant and pathetic crutches like this add on. Smfh. I can hardly believe the mentality I am seeing here.

A crutch to partially counter a crutch. Seems fair

Just as exploits beget exploits and cheating begets cheating I guess you're right, crutches beget crutches. Which is why it comes as no great shock to me that people who defend one also defend the other.

Ghostbane

God_flakes wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

pcar944 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Well ZOS hinted with their post on the thread in general disc that because the addon doesn't show specific locations of stealthed players that the addon is allowed which I 100% agree with.

Either take stealth out of the game, or allow the addon.

The argument is that:
1) it still tells you how many players nearby. You can avoid fights and hit targets to your benefit which is essentially an unfair advantage to those that do not run this mod.

You mean like stealth?

Minno wrote: »

2) stealth, despite having broken aspects to it, is still a fun playstyle for people. Denying them this ruins a core playstyle in any battlefield simulated game; the element of surprise.

And the element of free stun and bonus damage. You don't necessarily need stealth to get the element of surprise, stealth is only a crutch to guarantee that you get it.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

ROFL.

That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.

umm no....its not....

mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game

So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:

• Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
• Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
• Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)

Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addon

Ok so I might be wrong here, but I don't think addons and mods are the same thing.

An addon isn't a third party software. An addon isn't a mod, you aren't modifying the existing game code, you are adding to it.
There are no stat changes, speed changes, cooldown changes, or anything altering the game. It's not a radar, it's not a wallhack (you've got tab target for that remember?)

It doesn't impact anyone else in the way the tos means it, you are misinterpreting the tos words. Just like killing someone doesn't impact their game.
No one is taking stealth away from players, they can still use it. It doesn't change anything for people not using the addon.
It changes the way their target might react to the stealther engaging them.

So I don't think this is against the tos.

Now is it overpowered? That's an other question. I think it is, but I also think stealth for everyone in PvP is idiotic, so I fully support the addon as long as stealth remains in its current state.

You refer to stealth as a "crutch" and want to see it removed but approve of a blatant and pathetic crutches like this add on. Smfh. I can hardly believe the mentality I am seeing here.

Ghostbane wrote: »

Dodge notifications have been available since the start of the game via stabilizer add-ons such as Combat Cloud.

Because it tells you what the attack is, and who it is by, people are crying NSA.

#getSnowdened

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

No one cares about that. If you want to compare "training wheels", why do people stand next to 40 other people to help prevent dying? You're an expert on that one.

Says the one who is constantly hiding in his own zerg and who runs tail tucked when his own zerg folds.



You. Running from me.

wtb Kappa emote

Point being what it is. That's me, *not* embedded in a zerg like he's always coming here and accusing me of and belittling me for. And that's him running from me, (whom he could probably kill) because his own personal zerg folded. If anyone thinks that a player as popular as Manoe in this game doesn't have an adoring zerg following him around, wanting in on the action, they're simply not playing this game and not in TF or not coming across him.

In the logic of this, the picture also shows him, on his own

Because his adoring zerg folded. I was the only one who gave chase and attempted to face him down on my own. I'm not the coward hiding inside zergs he is constantly accusing me of being. I am not afraid of dying in this game. I don't need this game to build status or inflate my ego. My pic is demonstrative of my claims and flies in the face of his constant belittling of me.

Your pic doesn't do anything other than show you and Mano.

But everyone knows Mano zergs, you not heard of the #Manozerg ?

God_flakes

Ghostbane wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

pcar944 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Well ZOS hinted with their post on the thread in general disc that because the addon doesn't show specific locations of stealthed players that the addon is allowed which I 100% agree with.

Either take stealth out of the game, or allow the addon.

The argument is that:
1) it still tells you how many players nearby. You can avoid fights and hit targets to your benefit which is essentially an unfair advantage to those that do not run this mod.

You mean like stealth?

Minno wrote: »

2) stealth, despite having broken aspects to it, is still a fun playstyle for people. Denying them this ruins a core playstyle in any battlefield simulated game; the element of surprise.

And the element of free stun and bonus damage. You don't necessarily need stealth to get the element of surprise, stealth is only a crutch to guarantee that you get it.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

ROFL.

That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.

umm no....its not....

mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game

So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:

• Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
• Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
• Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)

Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addon

Ok so I might be wrong here, but I don't think addons and mods are the same thing.

An addon isn't a third party software. An addon isn't a mod, you aren't modifying the existing game code, you are adding to it.
There are no stat changes, speed changes, cooldown changes, or anything altering the game. It's not a radar, it's not a wallhack (you've got tab target for that remember?)

It doesn't impact anyone else in the way the tos means it, you are misinterpreting the tos words. Just like killing someone doesn't impact their game.
No one is taking stealth away from players, they can still use it. It doesn't change anything for people not using the addon.
It changes the way their target might react to the stealther engaging them.

So I don't think this is against the tos.

Now is it overpowered? That's an other question. I think it is, but I also think stealth for everyone in PvP is idiotic, so I fully support the addon as long as stealth remains in its current state.

You refer to stealth as a "crutch" and want to see it removed but approve of a blatant and pathetic crutches like this add on. Smfh. I can hardly believe the mentality I am seeing here.

Ghostbane wrote: »

Dodge notifications have been available since the start of the game via stabilizer add-ons such as Combat Cloud.

Because it tells you what the attack is, and who it is by, people are crying NSA.

#getSnowdened

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

No one cares about that. If you want to compare "training wheels", why do people stand next to 40 other people to help prevent dying? You're an expert on that one.

Says the one who is constantly hiding in his own zerg and who runs tail tucked when his own zerg folds.



You. Running from me.

wtb Kappa emote

Point being what it is. That's me, *not* embedded in a zerg like he's always coming here and accusing me of and belittling me for. And that's him running from me, (whom he could probably kill) because his own personal zerg folded. If anyone thinks that a player as popular as Manoe in this game doesn't have an adoring zerg following him around, wanting in on the action, they're simply not playing this game and not in TF or not coming across him.

In the logic of this, the picture also shows him, on his own

Because his adoring zerg folded. I was the only one who gave chase and attempted to face him down on my own. I'm not the coward hiding inside zergs he is constantly accusing me of being. I am not afraid of dying in this game. I don't need this game to build status or inflate my ego. My pic is demonstrative of my claims and flies in the face of his constant belittling of me.

Your pic doesn't do anything other than show you and Mano.

But everyone knows Mano zergs, you not heard of the #Manozerg ?

I believe my pic shows I'm not a coward who merely hides in zergs, afraid to die, as has been claimed. I am almost always charging out front, to my own peril, and running headlong against more skillful/talented players. The pic shows me running right up his fanny looking for a fight I would probably lose. I don't use add ons to avoid death and don't hide in zergs to avoid death. Mano can keep making false claims-and I will keep defending myself.

RinaldoGandolphi

I never said they would ban I said they can if they choose.

That TOS pretty much says:"we can ban you whenever we want for any reason we want, and there is nothing you can do about"

ZOS has been very "lienent" on how they approach these things. Many people that should have been banned for stuff have been treated with kid gloves..every company has their own way I suppose.

That being said, PVP on PC-NA is already dead...look at the map sometime even in prime time your lucky to see one crossed sword at any time at some keep.

There isn't enough people in Cyrodiil now and this addon just drives more people away


I'm a magic Sorc I really do some nightblade ganking with that.....

Fact is the addon author has no right to dictate the direction of the game, but he has because without this addon I'm so disadvantaged in pvp why bother..which is why I haven't been playing at all.

Where is my choice or anyone else's choice? What if we don't want to use this garbage we just supposed to roll over. We supposed to just play and deal with folks with an overwhelming advantage thanks to an addon? Nah...

Go ahead keep supporting this nonsense stuff like this just drives people away from the game altogether.

Addons are unsupported by ZOS and can cause issues with your game, there's no reason an addon should make such a significant difference and I won't play till it's dealt with and if it's not dealt with I'm not coming back. this is just silly at this point

arkansas_ESO

Yuke wrote: »

Stop the Sribes Build and ill stop using this Addon.

Because yeah, being able to oneshot a 46k HP Tankplar (displayed in his latest video) is surely more healthy for this game than this addon. Aha, sure.

It took Sribes and another person, communicating through Teamspeak so that they'd attack at the exact same time, to kill the person you're talking about. Are you really surprised a highly coordinated two-man group was able to kill somebody by themselves quickly?

Magus

I was going to offer 5k gold to winner of Mano and Jauriel duel in stormhaven but then I remembered Mano has breath of life on all 10 ability slots, so would be a long drawn-out draw.

You should have just spambushed him when he tried to get away. No escape!

arkansas_ESO

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Well ZOS hinted with their post on the thread in general disc that because the addon doesn't show specific locations of stealthed players that the addon is allowed which I 100% agree with.

Either take stealth out of the game, or allow the addon.

The argument is that:
1) it still tells you how many players nearby. You can avoid fights and hit targets to your benefit which is essentially an unfair advantage to those that do not run this mod.

You mean like stealth?

Minno wrote: »

2) stealth, despite having broken aspects to it, is still a fun playstyle for people. Denying them this ruins a core playstyle in any battlefield simulated game; the element of surprise.

And the element of free stun and bonus damage. You don't necessarily need stealth to get the element of surprise, stealth is only a crutch to guarantee that you get it.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

ROFL.

That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.

umm no....its not....

mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game

So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:

• Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
• Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
• Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)

Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addon

Ok so I might be wrong here, but I don't think addons and mods are the same thing.

An addon isn't a third party software. An addon isn't a mod, you aren't modifying the existing game code, you are adding to it.
There are no stat changes, speed changes, cooldown changes, or anything altering the game. It's not a radar, it's not a wallhack (you've got tab target for that remember?)

It doesn't impact anyone else in the way the tos means it, you are misinterpreting the tos words. Just like killing someone doesn't impact their game.
No one is taking stealth away from players, they can still use it. It doesn't change anything for people not using the addon.
It changes the way their target might react to the stealther engaging them.

So I don't think this is against the tos.

Now is it overpowered? That's an other question. I think it is, but I also think stealth for everyone in PvP is idiotic, so I fully support the addon as long as stealth remains in its current state.

You refer to stealth as a "crutch" and want to see it removed but approve of a blatant and pathetic crutches like this add on. Smfh. I can hardly believe the mentality I am seeing here.

Ghostbane wrote: »

Dodge notifications have been available since the start of the game via stabilizer add-ons such as Combat Cloud.

Because it tells you what the attack is, and who it is by, people are crying NSA.

#getSnowdened

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

No one cares about that. If you want to compare "training wheels", why do people stand next to 40 other people to help prevent dying? You're an expert on that one.

Says the one who is constantly hiding in his own zerg and who runs tail tucked when his own zerg folds.



You. Running from me.

you understand there's a way to take a picture of your screen without using a physical camera, right?

God_flakes

Magus wrote: »

I was going to offer 5k gold to winner of Mano and Jauriel duel in stormhaven but then I remembered Mano has breath of life on all 10 ability slots, so would be a long drawn-out draw.

You should have just spambushed him when he tried to get away. No escape!

Sadly, I froze at this point and had to hard shut the game down. I was rage-laughing about it, actually.

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Well ZOS hinted with their post on the thread in general disc that because the addon doesn't show specific locations of stealthed players that the addon is allowed which I 100% agree with.

Either take stealth out of the game, or allow the addon.

The argument is that:
1) it still tells you how many players nearby. You can avoid fights and hit targets to your benefit which is essentially an unfair advantage to those that do not run this mod.

You mean like stealth?

Minno wrote: »

2) stealth, despite having broken aspects to it, is still a fun playstyle for people. Denying them this ruins a core playstyle in any battlefield simulated game; the element of surprise.

And the element of free stun and bonus damage. You don't necessarily need stealth to get the element of surprise, stealth is only a crutch to guarantee that you get it.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

ROFL.

That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.

umm no....its not....

mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game

So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:

• Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
• Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
• Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)

Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addon

Ok so I might be wrong here, but I don't think addons and mods are the same thing.

An addon isn't a third party software. An addon isn't a mod, you aren't modifying the existing game code, you are adding to it.
There are no stat changes, speed changes, cooldown changes, or anything altering the game. It's not a radar, it's not a wallhack (you've got tab target for that remember?)

It doesn't impact anyone else in the way the tos means it, you are misinterpreting the tos words. Just like killing someone doesn't impact their game.
No one is taking stealth away from players, they can still use it. It doesn't change anything for people not using the addon.
It changes the way their target might react to the stealther engaging them.

So I don't think this is against the tos.

Now is it overpowered? That's an other question. I think it is, but I also think stealth for everyone in PvP is idiotic, so I fully support the addon as long as stealth remains in its current state.

You refer to stealth as a "crutch" and want to see it removed but approve of a blatant and pathetic crutches like this add on. Smfh. I can hardly believe the mentality I am seeing here.

Ghostbane wrote: »

Dodge notifications have been available since the start of the game via stabilizer add-ons such as Combat Cloud.

Because it tells you what the attack is, and who it is by, people are crying NSA.

#getSnowdened

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

No one cares about that. If you want to compare "training wheels", why do people stand next to 40 other people to help prevent dying? You're an expert on that one.

Says the one who is constantly hiding in his own zerg and who runs tail tucked when his own zerg folds.



You. Running from me.

you understand there's a way to take a picture of your screen without using a physical camera, right?

As I said, my game froze. I had to hard shut down. Why do people feel the need to remind ppl print screen exists? My phone is right there and easier. Thanks for the unnecessary and irrelevant advice, though.

Minnesinger

God_flakes wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

pcar944 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Well ZOS hinted with their post on the thread in general disc that because the addon doesn't show specific locations of stealthed players that the addon is allowed which I 100% agree with.

Either take stealth out of the game, or allow the addon.

The argument is that:
1) it still tells you how many players nearby. You can avoid fights and hit targets to your benefit which is essentially an unfair advantage to those that do not run this mod.

You mean like stealth?

Minno wrote: »

2) stealth, despite having broken aspects to it, is still a fun playstyle for people. Denying them this ruins a core playstyle in any battlefield simulated game; the element of surprise.

And the element of free stun and bonus damage. You don't necessarily need stealth to get the element of surprise, stealth is only a crutch to guarantee that you get it.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

ROFL.

That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.

umm no....its not....

mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game

So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:

• Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
• Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
• Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)

Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addon

Ok so I might be wrong here, but I don't think addons and mods are the same thing.

An addon isn't a third party software. An addon isn't a mod, you aren't modifying the existing game code, you are adding to it.
There are no stat changes, speed changes, cooldown changes, or anything altering the game. It's not a radar, it's not a wallhack (you've got tab target for that remember?)

It doesn't impact anyone else in the way the tos means it, you are misinterpreting the tos words. Just like killing someone doesn't impact their game.
No one is taking stealth away from players, they can still use it. It doesn't change anything for people not using the addon.
It changes the way their target might react to the stealther engaging them.

So I don't think this is against the tos.

Now is it overpowered? That's an other question. I think it is, but I also think stealth for everyone in PvP is idiotic, so I fully support the addon as long as stealth remains in its current state.

You refer to stealth as a "crutch" and want to see it removed but approve of a blatant and pathetic crutches like this add on. Smfh. I can hardly believe the mentality I am seeing here.

Ghostbane wrote: »

Dodge notifications have been available since the start of the game via stabilizer add-ons such as Combat Cloud.

Because it tells you what the attack is, and who it is by, people are crying NSA.

#getSnowdened

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

No one cares about that. If you want to compare "training wheels", why do people stand next to 40 other people to help prevent dying? You're an expert on that one.

Says the one who is constantly hiding in his own zerg and who runs tail tucked when his own zerg folds.



You. Running from me.

wtb Kappa emote

Point being what it is. That's me, *not* embedded in a zerg like he's always coming here and accusing me of and belittling me for. And that's him running from me, (whom he could probably kill) because his own personal zerg folded. If anyone thinks that a player as popular as Manoe in this game doesn't have an adoring zerg following him around, wanting in on the action, they're simply not playing this game and not in TF or not coming across him.

In the logic of this, the picture also shows him, on his own

Because his adoring zerg folded. I was the only one who gave chase and attempted to face him down on my own. I'm not the coward hiding inside zergs he is constantly accusing me of being. I am not afraid of dying in this game. I don't need this game to build status or inflate my ego. My pic is demonstrative of my claims and flies in the face of his constant belittling of me.

Your pic doesn't do anything other than show you and Mano.

But everyone knows Mano zergs, you not heard of the #Manozerg ?

I believe my pic shows I'm not a coward who merely hides in zergs, afraid to die, as has been claimed. I am almost always charging out front, to my own peril, and running headlong against more skillful/talented players. The pic shows me running right up his fanny looking for a fight I would probably lose. I don't use add ons to avoid death and don't hide in zergs to avoid death. Mano can keep making false claims-and I will keep defending myself.

Just amazing how you want to personalize totally different subject. Hello we don´t need to know what Mano thinks of you or how you play lol. Make your own threads.

God_flakes

Minnesinger wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

pcar944 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Well ZOS hinted with their post on the thread in general disc that because the addon doesn't show specific locations of stealthed players that the addon is allowed which I 100% agree with.

Either take stealth out of the game, or allow the addon.

The argument is that:
1) it still tells you how many players nearby. You can avoid fights and hit targets to your benefit which is essentially an unfair advantage to those that do not run this mod.

You mean like stealth?

Minno wrote: »

2) stealth, despite having broken aspects to it, is still a fun playstyle for people. Denying them this ruins a core playstyle in any battlefield simulated game; the element of surprise.

And the element of free stun and bonus damage. You don't necessarily need stealth to get the element of surprise, stealth is only a crutch to guarantee that you get it.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

ROFL.

That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.

umm no....its not....

mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game

So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:

• Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
• Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
• Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)

Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addon

Ok so I might be wrong here, but I don't think addons and mods are the same thing.

An addon isn't a third party software. An addon isn't a mod, you aren't modifying the existing game code, you are adding to it.
There are no stat changes, speed changes, cooldown changes, or anything altering the game. It's not a radar, it's not a wallhack (you've got tab target for that remember?)

It doesn't impact anyone else in the way the tos means it, you are misinterpreting the tos words. Just like killing someone doesn't impact their game.
No one is taking stealth away from players, they can still use it. It doesn't change anything for people not using the addon.
It changes the way their target might react to the stealther engaging them.

So I don't think this is against the tos.

Now is it overpowered? That's an other question. I think it is, but I also think stealth for everyone in PvP is idiotic, so I fully support the addon as long as stealth remains in its current state.

You refer to stealth as a "crutch" and want to see it removed but approve of a blatant and pathetic crutches like this add on. Smfh. I can hardly believe the mentality I am seeing here.

Ghostbane wrote: »

Dodge notifications have been available since the start of the game via stabilizer add-ons such as Combat Cloud.

Because it tells you what the attack is, and who it is by, people are crying NSA.

#getSnowdened

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

No one cares about that. If you want to compare "training wheels", why do people stand next to 40 other people to help prevent dying? You're an expert on that one.

Says the one who is constantly hiding in his own zerg and who runs tail tucked when his own zerg folds.



You. Running from me.

wtb Kappa emote

Point being what it is. That's me, *not* embedded in a zerg like he's always coming here and accusing me of and belittling me for. And that's him running from me, (whom he could probably kill) because his own personal zerg folded. If anyone thinks that a player as popular as Manoe in this game doesn't have an adoring zerg following him around, wanting in on the action, they're simply not playing this game and not in TF or not coming across him.

In the logic of this, the picture also shows him, on his own

Because his adoring zerg folded. I was the only one who gave chase and attempted to face him down on my own. I'm not the coward hiding inside zergs he is constantly accusing me of being. I am not afraid of dying in this game. I don't need this game to build status or inflate my ego. My pic is demonstrative of my claims and flies in the face of his constant belittling of me.

Your pic doesn't do anything other than show you and Mano.

But everyone knows Mano zergs, you not heard of the #Manozerg ?

I believe my pic shows I'm not a coward who merely hides in zergs, afraid to die, as has been claimed. I am almost always charging out front, to my own peril, and running headlong against more skillful/talented players. The pic shows me running right up his fanny looking for a fight I would probably lose. I don't use add ons to avoid death and don't hide in zergs to avoid death. Mano can keep making false claims-and I will keep defending myself.

Just amazing how you want to personalize totally different subject. Hello we don´t need to know what Mano thinks of you or how you play lol. Make your own threads.

It was MANO who personalized this. I am merely defending myself because I'm tired of his mouth.

antihero727

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Well ZOS hinted with their post on the thread in general disc that because the addon doesn't show specific locations of stealthed players that the addon is allowed which I 100% agree with.

Either take stealth out of the game, or allow the addon.

The argument is that:
1) it still tells you how many players nearby. You can avoid fights and hit targets to your benefit which is essentially an unfair advantage to those that do not run this mod.

You mean like stealth?

Minno wrote: »

2) stealth, despite having broken aspects to it, is still a fun playstyle for people. Denying them this ruins a core playstyle in any battlefield simulated game; the element of surprise.

And the element of free stun and bonus damage. You don't necessarily need stealth to get the element of surprise, stealth is only a crutch to guarantee that you get it.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

ROFL.

That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.

umm no....its not....

mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game

So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:

• Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
• Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
• Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)

Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addon

Ok so I might be wrong here, but I don't think addons and mods are the same thing.

An addon isn't a third party software. An addon isn't a mod, you aren't modifying the existing game code, you are adding to it.
There are no stat changes, speed changes, cooldown changes, or anything altering the game. It's not a radar, it's not a wallhack (you've got tab target for that remember?)

It doesn't impact anyone else in the way the tos means it, you are misinterpreting the tos words. Just like killing someone doesn't impact their game.
No one is taking stealth away from players, they can still use it. It doesn't change anything for people not using the addon.
It changes the way their target might react to the stealther engaging them.

So I don't think this is against the tos.

Now is it overpowered? That's an other question. I think it is, but I also think stealth for everyone in PvP is idiotic, so I fully support the addon as long as stealth remains in its current state.

You refer to stealth as a "crutch" and want to see it removed but approve of a blatant and pathetic crutches like this add on. Smfh. I can hardly believe the mentality I am seeing here.

Ghostbane wrote: »

Dodge notifications have been available since the start of the game via stabilizer add-ons such as Combat Cloud.

Because it tells you what the attack is, and who it is by, people are crying NSA.

#getSnowdened

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

No one cares about that. If you want to compare "training wheels", why do people stand next to 40 other people to help prevent dying? You're an expert on that one.

Says the one who is constantly hiding in his own zerg and who runs tail tucked when his own zerg folds.



You. Running from me.

you understand there's a way to take a picture of your screen without using a physical camera, right?

She is a purist and has that button unbound. Then 5 paragraphs telling you why and that DC never zergs.

Rohamad_Ali

I am writing a Navy Seal friend to inform him using stealth is a crutch and he needs to Git gud .

God_flakes

antihero727 wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Well ZOS hinted with their post on the thread in general disc that because the addon doesn't show specific locations of stealthed players that the addon is allowed which I 100% agree with.

Either take stealth out of the game, or allow the addon.

The argument is that:
1) it still tells you how many players nearby. You can avoid fights and hit targets to your benefit which is essentially an unfair advantage to those that do not run this mod.

You mean like stealth?

Minno wrote: »

2) stealth, despite having broken aspects to it, is still a fun playstyle for people. Denying them this ruins a core playstyle in any battlefield simulated game; the element of surprise.

And the element of free stun and bonus damage. You don't necessarily need stealth to get the element of surprise, stealth is only a crutch to guarantee that you get it.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

ROFL.

That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.

umm no....its not....

mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game

So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:

• Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
• Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
• Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)

Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addon

Ok so I might be wrong here, but I don't think addons and mods are the same thing.

An addon isn't a third party software. An addon isn't a mod, you aren't modifying the existing game code, you are adding to it.
There are no stat changes, speed changes, cooldown changes, or anything altering the game. It's not a radar, it's not a wallhack (you've got tab target for that remember?)

It doesn't impact anyone else in the way the tos means it, you are misinterpreting the tos words. Just like killing someone doesn't impact their game.
No one is taking stealth away from players, they can still use it. It doesn't change anything for people not using the addon.
It changes the way their target might react to the stealther engaging them.

So I don't think this is against the tos.

Now is it overpowered? That's an other question. I think it is, but I also think stealth for everyone in PvP is idiotic, so I fully support the addon as long as stealth remains in its current state.

You refer to stealth as a "crutch" and want to see it removed but approve of a blatant and pathetic crutches like this add on. Smfh. I can hardly believe the mentality I am seeing here.

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Dodge notifications have been available since the start of the game via stabilizer add-ons such as Combat Cloud.

Because it tells you what the attack is, and who it is by, people are crying NSA.

#getSnowdened

So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.

No one cares about that. If you want to compare "training wheels", why do people stand next to 40 other people to help prevent dying? You're an expert on that one.

Says the one who is constantly hiding in his own zerg and who runs tail tucked when his own zerg folds.



You. Running from me.

you understand there's a way to take a picture of your screen without using a physical camera, right?

She is a purist and has that button unbound. Then 5 paragraphs telling you why and that DC never zergs.

Please show me in quotes where I said dc never zergs. I will wait.