Miat's PVP Alerts Addon
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Manoekin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The creation of this mod is different than finding build/owns that give an advantage; it's literally using raw information and organizing it in a way that lets a player knows of incoming attacks and let's them know players are nearby. That's a huge advantage in a game where intuition and fair play should be promoted.
And again i can only ask:
How can do you justify instantkills from previously invisible players as "fair" gameplay? Because the gamemechanics allow it?
Because the same reasoning works for this addon. The games api allows it.
Edit: Don´t get me wrong i´d be all in favor of them removing all addon functionality if they in return would be able to provide a 100% working game. But they can´t.
And as long as i get hit by invisible CC and dmg i want/need addons telling me what the actual freaking coitus is happening.
I can't. But I'm not going to justify creating and using an add-on that give me an advantage over the rest of the playerbase.
I'm up for game balance, but this is "vigilante-developing" and in violation of the ToS. At least CE didn't pretend it was a legitimate add-on just to convince people it's OK to abuse the Tos.
It´s about as much an abuse of the tos as doublemundus and magelight on overload bar.
ZOS is investigating and before they fix their issue in the code nothing happens. Ever.
That's still on the player base to adhere to the binding legal document they signed when they installed the game and signed up to use ESO.
It's also one thing to not ban players for some of the in game bugs; things like double mundas stone could happen without the player knowing. It's entirely something different to install a mod, that clearly states how it's using information that isn't available to everyone on their UI interface. In this case the player knows well what the mid is doing and is seeking to gain an edge and willing installing said program.
Total ban for those players caught using it after the stance switch and ban for the creators, unless they told zos before installing it and got the greenlight to test it without harm. Or just lock the API and keep people on the same UI playing field.
I can´t express my opinion about the "ban the creator" statement without violating the forum tos.
Also any bufftracker is displaying information not accessible to everyone and presents a very clear in combat advantage over players not using one. Do you want to ban everyone using a bufftracker aswell?
apple and orange? Derra you made it quite clear you only support this addon because you are against stealth in pvp, and i do agree that stealth is broken atm, but your bias just blindfold you away from the issue these API manipulation raises, it's unhealthy for pvp period, it's game breaking. Defending cheese cuz you'r against another cheese is still cheese, just sayin...
It also baffle me that skilled and competitive guild leaders like Mano support that crap, winning at all cost bs
It's something new for a change. I don't need it I've played without it since the game came out. I don't consider it a win at all costs mentality, as that's not how I play games. All I've done in every game I've played is try to have fun, and playing with this addon right now is more fun than without.0 -
Erynyes✭✭✭[/quote]It's something new for a change. I don't need it I've played without it since the game came out. I don't consider it a win at all costs mentality, as that's not how I play games. All I've done in every game I've played is try to have fun, and playing with this addon right now is more fun than without.[/quote]
fair enoughPC NA
Sword Lhasa magplar
Dinin Freth magDk
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Yuke✭✭✭✭✭Stop the Sribes Build and ill stop using this Addon.
Because yeah, being able to oneshot a 46k HP Tankplar (displayed in his latest video) is surely more healthy for this game than this addon. Aha, sure.9 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
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Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
It says mods first. So based on the language, most mods can be bankable offenses if zos deems it.
"use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software"
Or any other. Thus, those are examples given of unauthorized third-party software, or included in the same category.
Addons are also not mods. Mods, like say in Skyrim, modify the game. Add trees here, change that texture, create new quests. An example of a mod in an MMO would be back in WoW when you could change your character as you see it on your screen by modifying a file. You looked the same to everyone else, but now your large character could be tiny on your screen and you were then allowed to pass through areas your tall character wouldn't otherwise fit. This is not at all what this addon or other addons getting information from the API do.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
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Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
There is also this gem:You will not use or permit third parties to use the Software Utilities or the Customized Game Materials created by you for any commercial purposes, including but not limited to distributing, leasing, licensing, renting, selling, or otherwise exploiting, transferring or assigning the ownership of such Customized Game Materials;
Edit: and this oneuse any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment; provided, however, that ZeniMax may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces and other third party software;
Addons are third-party software now? They're not separate programs, they are part of the game.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
umm no....its not....
mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game
So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:- Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
- Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
- Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)
Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addonZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »
At this time, we will not be taking action on accounts using this addon.
They said "At this time"....
Im sure the in-game reports have already started (I wouldn't know I haven't been on since Thusday)......at this point its almost certain many of you using this addon have already been reported, and those reports will most likely;y continue to come in...as pressure mounts from an already upset player base begins putting pressure on ZOS...the chances of folks surviving this without having their accounts actioned at some point is very small.
I know of 3 players who were banned just for being reported repeatedly....those in-game reports have already started...2 of those 3 never got their accounts back despite repeated appeals....if i were you i'd stop using that addon if you care about your account, there is no guarantee they won't later ban you for it, their TOS gives them the right do so.....
You probably won't see me back in-game until something is done about this addon...i won't play with such a cheating addon being run....The information given by that addon was hidden from the default UI for a reason...there one thing having a combat log, or a dps meter...but this is just ridiculous...the playerbase was never meant to have that information....no one is perfect, had ZOS known it would have been used this way they would have removed it long ago(it will most likely be removed from the API next patch)
So have fun playing a broken game with a broken addon, that tells everyone your hiding nearby, when to dodge attacks you couldn't normally see, and exactly how many people are there without doing proper scouting...because thats totally what the game is supposed to be about....and to add insult to injury just add a KOS too, thats the ultimate harrasing and troll toll that just makes it easy to enable people to harass people in game...because thats totally healthy for the community....
See my response above lol.
No one's account will be actioned for using this addon unless they explain they do not want to allow it and refuse to change the API (this is a very, very unlikely outcome). The most likely outcome is they remove the API function and that part of the addon gets disabled. Or things just continue as they are currently
. You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
Funny. Doesn't the add-on automate certain parts of the game you have to actual do with human senses? I guess maybe I'm wrong, but what do I know I just play here.
Edited by Minno on December 21, 2016 12:18AMMinno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Erynyes✭✭✭Stop the Sribes Build and ill stop using this Addon.
Because yeah, being able to oneshot a 46k HP Tankplar (displayed in his latest video) is surely more healthy for this game than this addon. Aha, sure.
totally agree this one shot meta is total crap (also prety sure cheerybomb is not a tankplar, don't offend him
), pvp since one tamriel is worst than ever, but this addon is not the solution, it's just cheese escalation, more cheese to counter existing cheese, pvp is going down the drain at this rate Edited by Erynyes on December 21, 2016 5:15AMPC NA
Sword Lhasa magplar
Dinin Freth magDk
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Manoekin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
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Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
It says mods first. So based on the language, most mods can be bankable offenses if zos deems it.
"use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software"
Or any other. Thus, those are examples given of unauthorized third-party software, or included in the same category.
Addons are also not mods. Mods, like say in Skyrim, modify the game. Add trees here, change that texture, create new quests. An example of a mod in an MMO would be back in WoW when you could change your character as you see it on your screen by modifying a file. You looked the same to everyone else, but now your large character could be tiny on your screen and you were then allowed to pass through areas your tall character wouldn't otherwise fit. This is not at all what this addon or other addons getting information from the API do.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
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Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
There is also this gem:You will not use or permit third parties to use the Software Utilities or the Customized Game Materials created by you for any commercial purposes, including but not limited to distributing, leasing, licensing, renting, selling, or otherwise exploiting, transferring or assigning the ownership of such Customized Game Materials;
Edit: and this oneuse any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment; provided, however, that ZeniMax may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces and other third party software;
Addons are third-party software now? They're not separate programs, they are part of the game.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
umm no....its not....
mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game
So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:- Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
- Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
- Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)
Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addonZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »
At this time, we will not be taking action on accounts using this addon.
They said "At this time"....
Im sure the in-game reports have already started (I wouldn't know I haven't been on since Thusday)......at this point its almost certain many of you using this addon have already been reported, and those reports will most likely;y continue to come in...as pressure mounts from an already upset player base begins putting pressure on ZOS...the chances of folks surviving this without having their accounts actioned at some point is very small.
I know of 3 players who were banned just for being reported repeatedly....those in-game reports have already started...2 of those 3 never got their accounts back despite repeated appeals....if i were you i'd stop using that addon if you care about your account, there is no guarantee they won't later ban you for it, their TOS gives them the right do so.....
You probably won't see me back in-game until something is done about this addon...i won't play with such a cheating addon being run....The information given by that addon was hidden from the default UI for a reason...there one thing having a combat log, or a dps meter...but this is just ridiculous...the playerbase was never meant to have that information....no one is perfect, had ZOS known it would have been used this way they would have removed it long ago(it will most likely be removed from the API next patch)
So have fun playing a broken game with a broken addon, that tells everyone your hiding nearby, when to dodge attacks you couldn't normally see, and exactly how many people are there without doing proper scouting...because thats totally what the game is supposed to be about....and to add insult to injury just add a KOS too, thats the ultimate harrasing and troll toll that just makes it easy to enable people to harass people in game...because thats totally healthy for the community....
See my response above lol.
No one's account will be actioned for using this addon unless they explain they do not want to allow it and refuse to change the API (this is a very, very unlikely outcome). The most likely outcome is they remove the API function and that part of the addon gets disabled. Or things just continue as they are currently. You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
Funny. Doesn't the add-on automate certain parts of the game you have to actual do with human senses? I guess maybe I'm wrong, but what do I know I just play here.
It says Human Input, not senses. Nothing about the addon automates your play because you still have to hit every button and see what is going on.2 -
God_flakes✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stop the Sribes Build and ill stop using this Addon.
Because yeah, being able to oneshot a 46k HP Tankplar (displayed in his latest video) is surely more healthy for this game than this addon. Aha, sure.
totally agree this one shot meta is total crap, pvp since one tamriel is worst than ever, but this addon is not the solution, it's just cheese escalation, more cheese to counter existing cheese, pvp is going down the drain at this rate
Exactly. Are you also keeping up with the Miats pvp alert thread? If not you should.0 -
God_flakes✭✭✭✭✭
✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
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Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
It says mods first. So based on the language, most mods can be bankable offenses if zos deems it.
"use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software"
Or any other. Thus, those are examples given of unauthorized third-party software, or included in the same category.
Addons are also not mods. Mods, like say in Skyrim, modify the game. Add trees here, change that texture, create new quests. An example of a mod in an MMO would be back in WoW when you could change your character as you see it on your screen by modifying a file. You looked the same to everyone else, but now your large character could be tiny on your screen and you were then allowed to pass through areas your tall character wouldn't otherwise fit. This is not at all what this addon or other addons getting information from the API do.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
.
Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
There is also this gem:You will not use or permit third parties to use the Software Utilities or the Customized Game Materials created by you for any commercial purposes, including but not limited to distributing, leasing, licensing, renting, selling, or otherwise exploiting, transferring or assigning the ownership of such Customized Game Materials;
Edit: and this oneuse any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment; provided, however, that ZeniMax may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces and other third party software;
Addons are third-party software now? They're not separate programs, they are part of the game.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
umm no....its not....
mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game
So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:- Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
- Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
- Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)
Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addonZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »
At this time, we will not be taking action on accounts using this addon.
They said "At this time"....
Im sure the in-game reports have already started (I wouldn't know I haven't been on since Thusday)......at this point its almost certain many of you using this addon have already been reported, and those reports will most likely;y continue to come in...as pressure mounts from an already upset player base begins putting pressure on ZOS...the chances of folks surviving this without having their accounts actioned at some point is very small.
I know of 3 players who were banned just for being reported repeatedly....those in-game reports have already started...2 of those 3 never got their accounts back despite repeated appeals....if i were you i'd stop using that addon if you care about your account, there is no guarantee they won't later ban you for it, their TOS gives them the right do so.....
You probably won't see me back in-game until something is done about this addon...i won't play with such a cheating addon being run....The information given by that addon was hidden from the default UI for a reason...there one thing having a combat log, or a dps meter...but this is just ridiculous...the playerbase was never meant to have that information....no one is perfect, had ZOS known it would have been used this way they would have removed it long ago(it will most likely be removed from the API next patch)
So have fun playing a broken game with a broken addon, that tells everyone your hiding nearby, when to dodge attacks you couldn't normally see, and exactly how many people are there without doing proper scouting...because thats totally what the game is supposed to be about....and to add insult to injury just add a KOS too, thats the ultimate harrasing and troll toll that just makes it easy to enable people to harass people in game...because thats totally healthy for the community....
See my response above lol.
No one's account will be actioned for using this addon unless they explain they do not want to allow it and refuse to change the API (this is a very, very unlikely outcome). The most likely outcome is they remove the API function and that part of the addon gets disabled. Or things just continue as they are currently. You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
Funny. Doesn't the add-on automate certain parts of the game you have to actual do with human senses? I guess maybe I'm wrong, but what do I know I just play here.
It says Human Input, not senses. Nothing about the addon automates your play because you still have to hit every button and see what is going on.
Having a program act as a psychic for you and tell you when attacks are coming isn't automated play??? And you call me delusional?1 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Wait even worse, isn't this add on a certain type of page scraping tool? I mean you are taking the data off human input (heavy attack, channels, trying to be in the area to pvp) and automating it to give you an advantage over vanilla players, right? Weird.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
- Guild-lead for MV
- Filthy Casual1 -
Manoekin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭God_flakes wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
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Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
It says mods first. So based on the language, most mods can be bankable offenses if zos deems it.
"use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software"
Or any other. Thus, those are examples given of unauthorized third-party software, or included in the same category.
Addons are also not mods. Mods, like say in Skyrim, modify the game. Add trees here, change that texture, create new quests. An example of a mod in an MMO would be back in WoW when you could change your character as you see it on your screen by modifying a file. You looked the same to everyone else, but now your large character could be tiny on your screen and you were then allowed to pass through areas your tall character wouldn't otherwise fit. This is not at all what this addon or other addons getting information from the API do.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
.
Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
There is also this gem:You will not use or permit third parties to use the Software Utilities or the Customized Game Materials created by you for any commercial purposes, including but not limited to distributing, leasing, licensing, renting, selling, or otherwise exploiting, transferring or assigning the ownership of such Customized Game Materials;
Edit: and this oneuse any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment; provided, however, that ZeniMax may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces and other third party software;
Addons are third-party software now? They're not separate programs, they are part of the game.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
umm no....its not....
mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game
So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:- Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
- Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
- Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)
Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addonZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »
At this time, we will not be taking action on accounts using this addon.
They said "At this time"....
Im sure the in-game reports have already started (I wouldn't know I haven't been on since Thusday)......at this point its almost certain many of you using this addon have already been reported, and those reports will most likely;y continue to come in...as pressure mounts from an already upset player base begins putting pressure on ZOS...the chances of folks surviving this without having their accounts actioned at some point is very small.
I know of 3 players who were banned just for being reported repeatedly....those in-game reports have already started...2 of those 3 never got their accounts back despite repeated appeals....if i were you i'd stop using that addon if you care about your account, there is no guarantee they won't later ban you for it, their TOS gives them the right do so.....
You probably won't see me back in-game until something is done about this addon...i won't play with such a cheating addon being run....The information given by that addon was hidden from the default UI for a reason...there one thing having a combat log, or a dps meter...but this is just ridiculous...the playerbase was never meant to have that information....no one is perfect, had ZOS known it would have been used this way they would have removed it long ago(it will most likely be removed from the API next patch)
So have fun playing a broken game with a broken addon, that tells everyone your hiding nearby, when to dodge attacks you couldn't normally see, and exactly how many people are there without doing proper scouting...because thats totally what the game is supposed to be about....and to add insult to injury just add a KOS too, thats the ultimate harrasing and troll toll that just makes it easy to enable people to harass people in game...because thats totally healthy for the community....
See my response above lol.
No one's account will be actioned for using this addon unless they explain they do not want to allow it and refuse to change the API (this is a very, very unlikely outcome). The most likely outcome is they remove the API function and that part of the addon gets disabled. Or things just continue as they are currently. You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
Funny. Doesn't the add-on automate certain parts of the game you have to actual do with human senses? I guess maybe I'm wrong, but what do I know I just play here.
It says Human Input, not senses. Nothing about the addon automates your play because you still have to hit every button and see what is going on.
Having a program act as a psychic for you and tell you when attacks are coming isn't automated play??? And you call me delusional?
No. It still requires human input. It doesn't matter what the addon tells you, it doesn't press the button or move your character for you.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
.
Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
It says mods first. So based on the language, most mods can be bankable offenses if zos deems it.
"use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software"
Or any other. Thus, those are examples given of unauthorized third-party software, or included in the same category.
Addons are also not mods. Mods, like say in Skyrim, modify the game. Add trees here, change that texture, create new quests. An example of a mod in an MMO would be back in WoW when you could change your character as you see it on your screen by modifying a file. You looked the same to everyone else, but now your large character could be tiny on your screen and you were then allowed to pass through areas your tall character wouldn't otherwise fit. This is not at all what this addon or other addons getting information from the API do.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
.
Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
There is also this gem:You will not use or permit third parties to use the Software Utilities or the Customized Game Materials created by you for any commercial purposes, including but not limited to distributing, leasing, licensing, renting, selling, or otherwise exploiting, transferring or assigning the ownership of such Customized Game Materials;
Edit: and this oneuse any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment; provided, however, that ZeniMax may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces and other third party software;
Addons are third-party software now? They're not separate programs, they are part of the game.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
umm no....its not....
mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game
So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:- Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
- Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
- Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)
Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addonZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »
At this time, we will not be taking action on accounts using this addon.
They said "At this time"....
Im sure the in-game reports have already started (I wouldn't know I haven't been on since Thusday)......at this point its almost certain many of you using this addon have already been reported, and those reports will most likely;y continue to come in...as pressure mounts from an already upset player base begins putting pressure on ZOS...the chances of folks surviving this without having their accounts actioned at some point is very small.
I know of 3 players who were banned just for being reported repeatedly....those in-game reports have already started...2 of those 3 never got their accounts back despite repeated appeals....if i were you i'd stop using that addon if you care about your account, there is no guarantee they won't later ban you for it, their TOS gives them the right do so.....
You probably won't see me back in-game until something is done about this addon...i won't play with such a cheating addon being run....The information given by that addon was hidden from the default UI for a reason...there one thing having a combat log, or a dps meter...but this is just ridiculous...the playerbase was never meant to have that information....no one is perfect, had ZOS known it would have been used this way they would have removed it long ago(it will most likely be removed from the API next patch)
So have fun playing a broken game with a broken addon, that tells everyone your hiding nearby, when to dodge attacks you couldn't normally see, and exactly how many people are there without doing proper scouting...because thats totally what the game is supposed to be about....and to add insult to injury just add a KOS too, thats the ultimate harrasing and troll toll that just makes it easy to enable people to harass people in game...because thats totally healthy for the community....
See my response above lol.
No one's account will be actioned for using this addon unless they explain they do not want to allow it and refuse to change the API (this is a very, very unlikely outcome). The most likely outcome is they remove the API function and that part of the addon gets disabled. Or things just continue as they are currently. You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
Funny. Doesn't the add-on automate certain parts of the game you have to actual do with human senses? I guess maybe I'm wrong, but what do I know I just play here.
It says Human Input, not senses. Nothing about the addon automates your play because you still have to hit every button and see what is going on.
Ah I see. So it's come down to that, huh?
"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services."
" or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax"
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✭God_flakes wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
.
Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
It says mods first. So based on the language, most mods can be bankable offenses if zos deems it.
"use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software"
Or any other. Thus, those are examples given of unauthorized third-party software, or included in the same category.
Addons are also not mods. Mods, like say in Skyrim, modify the game. Add trees here, change that texture, create new quests. An example of a mod in an MMO would be back in WoW when you could change your character as you see it on your screen by modifying a file. You looked the same to everyone else, but now your large character could be tiny on your screen and you were then allowed to pass through areas your tall character wouldn't otherwise fit. This is not at all what this addon or other addons getting information from the API do.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
.
Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
There is also this gem:You will not use or permit third parties to use the Software Utilities or the Customized Game Materials created by you for any commercial purposes, including but not limited to distributing, leasing, licensing, renting, selling, or otherwise exploiting, transferring or assigning the ownership of such Customized Game Materials;
Edit: and this oneuse any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment; provided, however, that ZeniMax may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces and other third party software;
Addons are third-party software now? They're not separate programs, they are part of the game.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
umm no....its not....
mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game
So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:- Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
- Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
- Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)
Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addonZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »
At this time, we will not be taking action on accounts using this addon.
They said "At this time"....
Im sure the in-game reports have already started (I wouldn't know I haven't been on since Thusday)......at this point its almost certain many of you using this addon have already been reported, and those reports will most likely;y continue to come in...as pressure mounts from an already upset player base begins putting pressure on ZOS...the chances of folks surviving this without having their accounts actioned at some point is very small.
I know of 3 players who were banned just for being reported repeatedly....those in-game reports have already started...2 of those 3 never got their accounts back despite repeated appeals....if i were you i'd stop using that addon if you care about your account, there is no guarantee they won't later ban you for it, their TOS gives them the right do so.....
You probably won't see me back in-game until something is done about this addon...i won't play with such a cheating addon being run....The information given by that addon was hidden from the default UI for a reason...there one thing having a combat log, or a dps meter...but this is just ridiculous...the playerbase was never meant to have that information....no one is perfect, had ZOS known it would have been used this way they would have removed it long ago(it will most likely be removed from the API next patch)
So have fun playing a broken game with a broken addon, that tells everyone your hiding nearby, when to dodge attacks you couldn't normally see, and exactly how many people are there without doing proper scouting...because thats totally what the game is supposed to be about....and to add insult to injury just add a KOS too, thats the ultimate harrasing and troll toll that just makes it easy to enable people to harass people in game...because thats totally healthy for the community....
See my response above lol.
No one's account will be actioned for using this addon unless they explain they do not want to allow it and refuse to change the API (this is a very, very unlikely outcome). The most likely outcome is they remove the API function and that part of the addon gets disabled. Or things just continue as they are currently. You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
Funny. Doesn't the add-on automate certain parts of the game you have to actual do with human senses? I guess maybe I'm wrong, but what do I know I just play here.
It says Human Input, not senses. Nothing about the addon automates your play because you still have to hit every button and see what is going on.
Having a program act as a psychic for you and tell you when attacks are coming isn't automated play??? And you call me delusional?
No. It still requires human input. It doesn't matter what the addon tells you, it doesn't press the button or move your character for you.
So that's where you draw the line? So if this add on gets modified to the point where it tells the user precisely where a certain player is on the map right down to their exact location with a PING (totally and absolutely negating stealth)- and all the user has to do is horse ride right to them and ambush them....you're ok with this as long as the user has to horse back ride? Oh wait silly me, I'm sure the private version of this ad on ALREADY does this.0 -
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Erynyes✭✭✭God_flakes wrote: »Stop the Sribes Build and ill stop using this Addon.
Because yeah, being able to oneshot a 46k HP Tankplar (displayed in his latest video) is surely more healthy for this game than this addon. Aha, sure.
totally agree this one shot meta is total crap, pvp since one tamriel is worst than ever, but this addon is not the solution, it's just cheese escalation, more cheese to counter existing cheese, pvp is going down the drain at this rate
Exactly. Are you also keeping up with the Miats pvp alert thread? If not you should.
yes i do, i just find it stupid that player tries to justify or argue over technicalities wether or not this addon is legit, we all agree on one thing, the most important thing, PVP is garbage atm, it's already on life support, blame ZOS and the toxic player community. It doesn't matter your playstyle or if you dislike certain aspect of the game, this addon just push too far, it's icing on a bad cake, and it opens a stinky pandora box, i don't often agree with your post jauriel, but you mention integrity earlier, and this community always do it's worse to showcase it's lack off, maybe i'm just an internet e-honor romantic after all.
I also would like to say that i feel Miat shouldn't get bashed on, he made it public, wich in the end will force ZOS to look at their crappy codingPC NA
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✭✭God_flakes wrote: »God_flakes wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
.
Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
It says mods first. So based on the language, most mods can be bankable offenses if zos deems it.
"use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software"
Or any other. Thus, those are examples given of unauthorized third-party software, or included in the same category.
Addons are also not mods. Mods, like say in Skyrim, modify the game. Add trees here, change that texture, create new quests. An example of a mod in an MMO would be back in WoW when you could change your character as you see it on your screen by modifying a file. You looked the same to everyone else, but now your large character could be tiny on your screen and you were then allowed to pass through areas your tall character wouldn't otherwise fit. This is not at all what this addon or other addons getting information from the API do.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
.
Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
There is also this gem:You will not use or permit third parties to use the Software Utilities or the Customized Game Materials created by you for any commercial purposes, including but not limited to distributing, leasing, licensing, renting, selling, or otherwise exploiting, transferring or assigning the ownership of such Customized Game Materials;
Edit: and this oneuse any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment; provided, however, that ZeniMax may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces and other third party software;
Addons are third-party software now? They're not separate programs, they are part of the game.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
umm no....its not....
mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game
So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:- Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
- Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
- Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)
Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addonZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »
At this time, we will not be taking action on accounts using this addon.
They said "At this time"....
Im sure the in-game reports have already started (I wouldn't know I haven't been on since Thusday)......at this point its almost certain many of you using this addon have already been reported, and those reports will most likely;y continue to come in...as pressure mounts from an already upset player base begins putting pressure on ZOS...the chances of folks surviving this without having their accounts actioned at some point is very small.
I know of 3 players who were banned just for being reported repeatedly....those in-game reports have already started...2 of those 3 never got their accounts back despite repeated appeals....if i were you i'd stop using that addon if you care about your account, there is no guarantee they won't later ban you for it, their TOS gives them the right do so.....
You probably won't see me back in-game until something is done about this addon...i won't play with such a cheating addon being run....The information given by that addon was hidden from the default UI for a reason...there one thing having a combat log, or a dps meter...but this is just ridiculous...the playerbase was never meant to have that information....no one is perfect, had ZOS known it would have been used this way they would have removed it long ago(it will most likely be removed from the API next patch)
So have fun playing a broken game with a broken addon, that tells everyone your hiding nearby, when to dodge attacks you couldn't normally see, and exactly how many people are there without doing proper scouting...because thats totally what the game is supposed to be about....and to add insult to injury just add a KOS too, thats the ultimate harrasing and troll toll that just makes it easy to enable people to harass people in game...because thats totally healthy for the community....
See my response above lol.
No one's account will be actioned for using this addon unless they explain they do not want to allow it and refuse to change the API (this is a very, very unlikely outcome). The most likely outcome is they remove the API function and that part of the addon gets disabled. Or things just continue as they are currently. You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
Funny. Doesn't the add-on automate certain parts of the game you have to actual do with human senses? I guess maybe I'm wrong, but what do I know I just play here.
It says Human Input, not senses. Nothing about the addon automates your play because you still have to hit every button and see what is going on.
Having a program act as a psychic for you and tell you when attacks are coming isn't automated play??? And you call me delusional?
No. It still requires human input. It doesn't matter what the addon tells you, it doesn't press the button or move your character for you.
So that's where you draw the line? So if this add on gets modified to the point where it tells the user precisely where a certain player is on the map right down to their exact location with a PING (totally and absolutely negating stealth)- and all the user has to do is horse ride right to them and ambush them....you're ok with this as long as the user has to horse back ride? Oh wait silly me, I'm sure the private version of this ad on ALREADY does this.
If that was allowed then it is allowed. Good for a lot of us that it isn't. It's not an issue of whether I agree with it or not, but whether or not a player should be banned because of it.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
.
Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
It says mods first. So based on the language, most mods can be bankable offenses if zos deems it.
"use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software"
Or any other. Thus, those are examples given of unauthorized third-party software, or included in the same category.
Addons are also not mods. Mods, like say in Skyrim, modify the game. Add trees here, change that texture, create new quests. An example of a mod in an MMO would be back in WoW when you could change your character as you see it on your screen by modifying a file. You looked the same to everyone else, but now your large character could be tiny on your screen and you were then allowed to pass through areas your tall character wouldn't otherwise fit. This is not at all what this addon or other addons getting information from the API do.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
.
Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
There is also this gem:You will not use or permit third parties to use the Software Utilities or the Customized Game Materials created by you for any commercial purposes, including but not limited to distributing, leasing, licensing, renting, selling, or otherwise exploiting, transferring or assigning the ownership of such Customized Game Materials;
Edit: and this oneuse any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment; provided, however, that ZeniMax may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces and other third party software;
Addons are third-party software now? They're not separate programs, they are part of the game.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
umm no....its not....
mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game
So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:- Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
- Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
- Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)
Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addonZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »
At this time, we will not be taking action on accounts using this addon.
They said "At this time"....
Im sure the in-game reports have already started (I wouldn't know I haven't been on since Thusday)......at this point its almost certain many of you using this addon have already been reported, and those reports will most likely;y continue to come in...as pressure mounts from an already upset player base begins putting pressure on ZOS...the chances of folks surviving this without having their accounts actioned at some point is very small.
I know of 3 players who were banned just for being reported repeatedly....those in-game reports have already started...2 of those 3 never got their accounts back despite repeated appeals....if i were you i'd stop using that addon if you care about your account, there is no guarantee they won't later ban you for it, their TOS gives them the right do so.....
You probably won't see me back in-game until something is done about this addon...i won't play with such a cheating addon being run....The information given by that addon was hidden from the default UI for a reason...there one thing having a combat log, or a dps meter...but this is just ridiculous...the playerbase was never meant to have that information....no one is perfect, had ZOS known it would have been used this way they would have removed it long ago(it will most likely be removed from the API next patch)
So have fun playing a broken game with a broken addon, that tells everyone your hiding nearby, when to dodge attacks you couldn't normally see, and exactly how many people are there without doing proper scouting...because thats totally what the game is supposed to be about....and to add insult to injury just add a KOS too, thats the ultimate harrasing and troll toll that just makes it easy to enable people to harass people in game...because thats totally healthy for the community....
See my response above lol.
No one's account will be actioned for using this addon unless they explain they do not want to allow it and refuse to change the API (this is a very, very unlikely outcome). The most likely outcome is they remove the API function and that part of the addon gets disabled. Or things just continue as they are currently. You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
Funny. Doesn't the add-on automate certain parts of the game you have to actual do with human senses? I guess maybe I'm wrong, but what do I know I just play here.
It says Human Input, not senses. Nothing about the addon automates your play because you still have to hit every button and see what is going on.
Ah I see. So it's come down to that, huh?
"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services."
" or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax"
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✭✭✭✭✭God_flakes wrote: »God_flakes wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
.
Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
It says mods first. So based on the language, most mods can be bankable offenses if zos deems it.
"use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software"
Or any other. Thus, those are examples given of unauthorized third-party software, or included in the same category.
Addons are also not mods. Mods, like say in Skyrim, modify the game. Add trees here, change that texture, create new quests. An example of a mod in an MMO would be back in WoW when you could change your character as you see it on your screen by modifying a file. You looked the same to everyone else, but now your large character could be tiny on your screen and you were then allowed to pass through areas your tall character wouldn't otherwise fit. This is not at all what this addon or other addons getting information from the API do.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
.
Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
There is also this gem:You will not use or permit third parties to use the Software Utilities or the Customized Game Materials created by you for any commercial purposes, including but not limited to distributing, leasing, licensing, renting, selling, or otherwise exploiting, transferring or assigning the ownership of such Customized Game Materials;
Edit: and this oneuse any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment; provided, however, that ZeniMax may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces and other third party software;
Addons are third-party software now? They're not separate programs, they are part of the game.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
umm no....its not....
mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game
So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:- Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
- Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
- Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)
Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addonZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »
At this time, we will not be taking action on accounts using this addon.
They said "At this time"....
Im sure the in-game reports have already started (I wouldn't know I haven't been on since Thusday)......at this point its almost certain many of you using this addon have already been reported, and those reports will most likely;y continue to come in...as pressure mounts from an already upset player base begins putting pressure on ZOS...the chances of folks surviving this without having their accounts actioned at some point is very small.
I know of 3 players who were banned just for being reported repeatedly....those in-game reports have already started...2 of those 3 never got their accounts back despite repeated appeals....if i were you i'd stop using that addon if you care about your account, there is no guarantee they won't later ban you for it, their TOS gives them the right do so.....
You probably won't see me back in-game until something is done about this addon...i won't play with such a cheating addon being run....The information given by that addon was hidden from the default UI for a reason...there one thing having a combat log, or a dps meter...but this is just ridiculous...the playerbase was never meant to have that information....no one is perfect, had ZOS known it would have been used this way they would have removed it long ago(it will most likely be removed from the API next patch)
So have fun playing a broken game with a broken addon, that tells everyone your hiding nearby, when to dodge attacks you couldn't normally see, and exactly how many people are there without doing proper scouting...because thats totally what the game is supposed to be about....and to add insult to injury just add a KOS too, thats the ultimate harrasing and troll toll that just makes it easy to enable people to harass people in game...because thats totally healthy for the community....
See my response above lol.
No one's account will be actioned for using this addon unless they explain they do not want to allow it and refuse to change the API (this is a very, very unlikely outcome). The most likely outcome is they remove the API function and that part of the addon gets disabled. Or things just continue as they are currently. You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
Funny. Doesn't the add-on automate certain parts of the game you have to actual do with human senses? I guess maybe I'm wrong, but what do I know I just play here.
It says Human Input, not senses. Nothing about the addon automates your play because you still have to hit every button and see what is going on.
Having a program act as a psychic for you and tell you when attacks are coming isn't automated play??? And you call me delusional?
No. It still requires human input. It doesn't matter what the addon tells you, it doesn't press the button or move your character for you.
So that's where you draw the line? So if this add on gets modified to the point where it tells the user precisely where a certain player is on the map right down to their exact location with a PING (totally and absolutely negating stealth)- and all the user has to do is horse ride right to them and ambush them....you're ok with this as long as the user has to horse back ride? Oh wait silly me, I'm sure the private version of this ad on ALREADY does this.
If that was allowed then it is allowed. Good for a lot of us that it isn't. It's not an issue of whether I agree with it or not, but whether or not a player should be banned because of it.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
.
Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
It says mods first. So based on the language, most mods can be bankable offenses if zos deems it.
"use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software"
Or any other. Thus, those are examples given of unauthorized third-party software, or included in the same category.
Addons are also not mods. Mods, like say in Skyrim, modify the game. Add trees here, change that texture, create new quests. An example of a mod in an MMO would be back in WoW when you could change your character as you see it on your screen by modifying a file. You looked the same to everyone else, but now your large character could be tiny on your screen and you were then allowed to pass through areas your tall character wouldn't otherwise fit. This is not at all what this addon or other addons getting information from the API do.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
.
Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
There is also this gem:You will not use or permit third parties to use the Software Utilities or the Customized Game Materials created by you for any commercial purposes, including but not limited to distributing, leasing, licensing, renting, selling, or otherwise exploiting, transferring or assigning the ownership of such Customized Game Materials;
Edit: and this oneuse any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment; provided, however, that ZeniMax may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces and other third party software;
Addons are third-party software now? They're not separate programs, they are part of the game.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
umm no....its not....
mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game
So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:- Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
- Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
- Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)
Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addonZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »
At this time, we will not be taking action on accounts using this addon.
They said "At this time"....
Im sure the in-game reports have already started (I wouldn't know I haven't been on since Thusday)......at this point its almost certain many of you using this addon have already been reported, and those reports will most likely;y continue to come in...as pressure mounts from an already upset player base begins putting pressure on ZOS...the chances of folks surviving this without having their accounts actioned at some point is very small.
I know of 3 players who were banned just for being reported repeatedly....those in-game reports have already started...2 of those 3 never got their accounts back despite repeated appeals....if i were you i'd stop using that addon if you care about your account, there is no guarantee they won't later ban you for it, their TOS gives them the right do so.....
You probably won't see me back in-game until something is done about this addon...i won't play with such a cheating addon being run....The information given by that addon was hidden from the default UI for a reason...there one thing having a combat log, or a dps meter...but this is just ridiculous...the playerbase was never meant to have that information....no one is perfect, had ZOS known it would have been used this way they would have removed it long ago(it will most likely be removed from the API next patch)
So have fun playing a broken game with a broken addon, that tells everyone your hiding nearby, when to dodge attacks you couldn't normally see, and exactly how many people are there without doing proper scouting...because thats totally what the game is supposed to be about....and to add insult to injury just add a KOS too, thats the ultimate harrasing and troll toll that just makes it easy to enable people to harass people in game...because thats totally healthy for the community....
See my response above lol.
No one's account will be actioned for using this addon unless they explain they do not want to allow it and refuse to change the API (this is a very, very unlikely outcome). The most likely outcome is they remove the API function and that part of the addon gets disabled. Or things just continue as they are currently. You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
Funny. Doesn't the add-on automate certain parts of the game you have to actual do with human senses? I guess maybe I'm wrong, but what do I know I just play here.
It says Human Input, not senses. Nothing about the addon automates your play because you still have to hit every button and see what is going on.
Ah I see. So it's come down to that, huh?
"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services."
" or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax"
It makes you a better player?
Or influence, which usually means it helps to dictates your actions.Edited by Minno on December 21, 2016 1:53AMMinno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭✭God_flakes wrote: »God_flakes wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
.
Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
It says mods first. So based on the language, most mods can be bankable offenses if zos deems it.
"use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software"
Or any other. Thus, those are examples given of unauthorized third-party software, or included in the same category.
Addons are also not mods. Mods, like say in Skyrim, modify the game. Add trees here, change that texture, create new quests. An example of a mod in an MMO would be back in WoW when you could change your character as you see it on your screen by modifying a file. You looked the same to everyone else, but now your large character could be tiny on your screen and you were then allowed to pass through areas your tall character wouldn't otherwise fit. This is not at all what this addon or other addons getting information from the API do.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
.
Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
There is also this gem:You will not use or permit third parties to use the Software Utilities or the Customized Game Materials created by you for any commercial purposes, including but not limited to distributing, leasing, licensing, renting, selling, or otherwise exploiting, transferring or assigning the ownership of such Customized Game Materials;
Edit: and this oneuse any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment; provided, however, that ZeniMax may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces and other third party software;
Addons are third-party software now? They're not separate programs, they are part of the game.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
umm no....its not....
mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game
So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:- Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
- Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
- Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)
Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addonZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »
At this time, we will not be taking action on accounts using this addon.
They said "At this time"....
Im sure the in-game reports have already started (I wouldn't know I haven't been on since Thusday)......at this point its almost certain many of you using this addon have already been reported, and those reports will most likely;y continue to come in...as pressure mounts from an already upset player base begins putting pressure on ZOS...the chances of folks surviving this without having their accounts actioned at some point is very small.
I know of 3 players who were banned just for being reported repeatedly....those in-game reports have already started...2 of those 3 never got their accounts back despite repeated appeals....if i were you i'd stop using that addon if you care about your account, there is no guarantee they won't later ban you for it, their TOS gives them the right do so.....
You probably won't see me back in-game until something is done about this addon...i won't play with such a cheating addon being run....The information given by that addon was hidden from the default UI for a reason...there one thing having a combat log, or a dps meter...but this is just ridiculous...the playerbase was never meant to have that information....no one is perfect, had ZOS known it would have been used this way they would have removed it long ago(it will most likely be removed from the API next patch)
So have fun playing a broken game with a broken addon, that tells everyone your hiding nearby, when to dodge attacks you couldn't normally see, and exactly how many people are there without doing proper scouting...because thats totally what the game is supposed to be about....and to add insult to injury just add a KOS too, thats the ultimate harrasing and troll toll that just makes it easy to enable people to harass people in game...because thats totally healthy for the community....
See my response above lol.
No one's account will be actioned for using this addon unless they explain they do not want to allow it and refuse to change the API (this is a very, very unlikely outcome). The most likely outcome is they remove the API function and that part of the addon gets disabled. Or things just continue as they are currently. You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
Funny. Doesn't the add-on automate certain parts of the game you have to actual do with human senses? I guess maybe I'm wrong, but what do I know I just play here.
It says Human Input, not senses. Nothing about the addon automates your play because you still have to hit every button and see what is going on.
Having a program act as a psychic for you and tell you when attacks are coming isn't automated play??? And you call me delusional?
No. It still requires human input. It doesn't matter what the addon tells you, it doesn't press the button or move your character for you.
So that's where you draw the line? So if this add on gets modified to the point where it tells the user precisely where a certain player is on the map right down to their exact location with a PING (totally and absolutely negating stealth)- and all the user has to do is horse ride right to them and ambush them....you're ok with this as long as the user has to horse back ride? Oh wait silly me, I'm sure the private version of this ad on ALREADY does this.
If that was allowed then it is allowed. Good for a lot of us that it isn't. It's not an issue of whether I agree with it or not, but whether or not a player should be banned because of it.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
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Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
It says mods first. So based on the language, most mods can be bankable offenses if zos deems it.
"use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software"
Or any other. Thus, those are examples given of unauthorized third-party software, or included in the same category.
Addons are also not mods. Mods, like say in Skyrim, modify the game. Add trees here, change that texture, create new quests. An example of a mod in an MMO would be back in WoW when you could change your character as you see it on your screen by modifying a file. You looked the same to everyone else, but now your large character could be tiny on your screen and you were then allowed to pass through areas your tall character wouldn't otherwise fit. This is not at all what this addon or other addons getting information from the API do.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »i asked this before and i dont think anyone commented, but does this actually break anything in the TOS?
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Yes it most certainly does
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula
4. Limitations and Restrictions
C. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
The TOS says what this guy created is in violation of the TOS and he probably should be banned for it. It doesn't matter if its in the API or not the TOS says its not allowed period!.
Of course ZOS seems to "selectively enforce" their TOS and often does not punish, nullify, or thus enforce breech on contract on those who clearly break the terms of the agreement.
The TOS says this type of Addon is not allowed, its crystal clear...doesn't matter if its in the API or not, any addon that modifies the game or "Adversely impacts any other person playing the game" is not allowed....an Addon that wanrs people ahead of time of stealth attacks, tells you how many people are around, tells you when someone stealth most definitely "Adversely impacts people playing the game, especially those not using it"
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
There is also this gem:You will not use or permit third parties to use the Software Utilities or the Customized Game Materials created by you for any commercial purposes, including but not limited to distributing, leasing, licensing, renting, selling, or otherwise exploiting, transferring or assigning the ownership of such Customized Game Materials;
Edit: and this oneuse any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment; provided, however, that ZeniMax may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces and other third party software;
Addons are third-party software now? They're not separate programs, they are part of the game.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
umm no....its not....
mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game
So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:- Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
- Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
- Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)
Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addonZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »
At this time, we will not be taking action on accounts using this addon.
They said "At this time"....
Im sure the in-game reports have already started (I wouldn't know I haven't been on since Thusday)......at this point its almost certain many of you using this addon have already been reported, and those reports will most likely;y continue to come in...as pressure mounts from an already upset player base begins putting pressure on ZOS...the chances of folks surviving this without having their accounts actioned at some point is very small.
I know of 3 players who were banned just for being reported repeatedly....those in-game reports have already started...2 of those 3 never got their accounts back despite repeated appeals....if i were you i'd stop using that addon if you care about your account, there is no guarantee they won't later ban you for it, their TOS gives them the right do so.....
You probably won't see me back in-game until something is done about this addon...i won't play with such a cheating addon being run....The information given by that addon was hidden from the default UI for a reason...there one thing having a combat log, or a dps meter...but this is just ridiculous...the playerbase was never meant to have that information....no one is perfect, had ZOS known it would have been used this way they would have removed it long ago(it will most likely be removed from the API next patch)
So have fun playing a broken game with a broken addon, that tells everyone your hiding nearby, when to dodge attacks you couldn't normally see, and exactly how many people are there without doing proper scouting...because thats totally what the game is supposed to be about....and to add insult to injury just add a KOS too, thats the ultimate harrasing and troll toll that just makes it easy to enable people to harass people in game...because thats totally healthy for the community....
See my response above lol.
No one's account will be actioned for using this addon unless they explain they do not want to allow it and refuse to change the API (this is a very, very unlikely outcome). The most likely outcome is they remove the API function and that part of the addon gets disabled. Or things just continue as they are currently. You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
Funny. Doesn't the add-on automate certain parts of the game you have to actual do with human senses? I guess maybe I'm wrong, but what do I know I just play here.
It says Human Input, not senses. Nothing about the addon automates your play because you still have to hit every button and see what is going on.
Ah I see. So it's come down to that, huh?
"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services."
" or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax"
It makes you a better player?
Or influence, which usually means it helps to dictates your actions.
Grasping at straws really. I stand by addons not being included. By the vague definitions you're trying to go for we are now banning every player that uses an addon.1 -
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✭✭God_flakes wrote: »So if this add on gets modified to the point where it tells the user precisely where a certain player is on the map right down to their exact location .............. Oh wait silly me, I'm sure the private version of this ad on ALREADY does this.
Here comes the tinfoil haha
Anyways...
The API needs to be adjusted so features of this addon no longer work. The addons existence is a disadvantage to experienced group leaders. Some groups are quite good at being aware of what other groups are in the area, avoiding being bombed and get the element of surprise without the use of KoS. KoS takes this edge away from them and gives less experienced groups / group leads more of a level playing field. Takes away a lot of the competitive aspects from large scale PvP. Same with estimating how many enemies are in an area and what decisions to make during a keep defense.
For those who made the addon or are using it, I don't see how you can get banned for making an addon that uses the API available, nor can you be banned for using an addon that uses the API available. That's on ZoS to make adjustments to their API to prevent unfair addons existing. Heck, zos has always encouraged people to be creative and make addons from the API provided.
Also IDK if some of you are aware or not, but the API is already heavily restricted - just the potential data gained from player actions was clearly overlooked. But you can't access things like 'how much impen is the enemy in front of me wearing' or ''that enemy has 2% stamina left' etc.Edited by IxSTALKERxI on December 21, 2016 3:35AMNA | PC | Aldmeri DominionLaser Eyes AR 26 Arcanist | Stalker V AR 41 Warden | I Stalker I AR 42 NB | Stalkersaurus AR 31 Templar | Stalker Ill AR 31 Sorc | Nigel the Great of BlackwaterFormer Emperor x11 campaign cyclesVenatus Officer | RIP RÁGE | YouTube Channel4 -
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✭✭For those that are interested, the current API available can be found here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/288537/update-12-api-patch-notes-change-log-pts
It gets updated each patch and can be easily changed / updated if an addon needs to be nerfed. Some of you seem to be freaking out over nothing.Edited by IxSTALKERxI on December 21, 2016 3:59AMNA | PC | Aldmeri DominionLaser Eyes AR 26 Arcanist | Stalker V AR 41 Warden | I Stalker I AR 42 NB | Stalkersaurus AR 31 Templar | Stalker Ill AR 31 Sorc | Nigel the Great of BlackwaterFormer Emperor x11 campaign cyclesVenatus Officer | RIP RÁGE | YouTube Channel0 -
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✭I tried to dark flare a player on siege last night behind from stealth, they got off siege and roll dodged the millisecond the ability went off gg.
I've been doing that one for ages... dark flare is probably the loudest skill in the game and you pretty much only hear it if you are being targeted by it.PC/NA - Nightfighters, Raid Leader and Officer
Lilith Arujo - DC sorc tank/dps/healer - Dro-m'Athra Destroyer, Gryphon Heart, Grand Warlord
Lilith Tortorici - DC templar trials healer
Notable Completions:
vAS (72k), vMoL HM (160k), vAA HM (135k), vHRC HM, vSO HM (141k), vHoF HM (168k), vCR+3(129k), vDSA 45k, vMA 591k
Original Addons:
Lilith's Group Manager
Lilith's Lazy Hacks - Auto Recharge/Repair
Bot Scanner 2000
Lilith's Command History
Maintained Addons:
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✭✭✭Dodge notifications have been available since the start of the game via stabilizer add-ons such as Combat Cloud.
Because it tells you what the attack is, and who it is by, people are crying NSA.
#getSnowdened{★★★★★ · ★★★★★ · ★★ · ★★★★★}350m+ AP PC - EUAddons
AD :: Imported Waffles [37]EP :: Wee ee ee ee ee [16]DC :: Ghostbane's DK [16], Impending Loadscreen [12]PC - NA
AD :: Ghostbane [50], yer ma [43], Sir Humphrey Winterbottom 2.0 [18], robotic baby legs [18]EP :: Wee Mad Arthur [50], avast ye buttcrackz [49], Sir Horace Foghorn [27], Brother Ballbag [24], Scatman John [16]DC :: W T B Waffles [36], Morale Boost [30], W T F Waffles [17], Ghostbanë [15]RIPAD :: Sir Humphrey Winterbottom 1.0 [20]- AP Meter : All your AP needs
- Greyskull : Customisable, colour-coded Damage Meter
- Auto Research Scrolls : Automatic management of crafting research scrolls
- ITTs Donation Bot : Donation tracker for Guilds
- ITTs Roster Bot : Roster management for Guilds
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✭✭✭Dodge notifications have been available since the start of the game via stabilizer add-ons such as Combat Cloud.
Because it tells you what the attack is, and who it is by, people are crying NSA.
#getSnowdened
Combat cloud is also a cheat-on. You should not know when to dodge my having large text on your screen. It's plain stupid when you cast a fireball from stealth and someone jumps of his horse and dodge rolls without knowing he was attacked normally.
RIP PVP٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."2 -
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✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »Dodge notifications have been available since the start of the game via stabilizer add-ons such as Combat Cloud.
Because it tells you what the attack is, and who it is by, people are crying NSA.
#getSnowdened
Combat cloud is also a cheat-on. You should not know when to dodge my having large text on your screen. It's plain stupid when you cast a fireball from stealth and someone jumps of his horse and dodge rolls without knowing he was attacked normally.
RIP PVP
My point being, Combat Cloud has been available for many years, endorsed by many people on their 'suggested addon' lists, used by various streamers and in Hollywood 1vX videos back in the day.
And yet, not even mustering 1% of the blacklash this PvP Alert addon has created. Sure its only one specific feature, but the point being, the capabilities of the API have always existed.{★★★★★ · ★★★★★ · ★★ · ★★★★★}350m+ AP PC - EUAddons
AD :: Imported Waffles [37]EP :: Wee ee ee ee ee [16]DC :: Ghostbane's DK [16], Impending Loadscreen [12]PC - NA
AD :: Ghostbane [50], yer ma [43], Sir Humphrey Winterbottom 2.0 [18], robotic baby legs [18]EP :: Wee Mad Arthur [50], avast ye buttcrackz [49], Sir Horace Foghorn [27], Brother Ballbag [24], Scatman John [16]DC :: W T B Waffles [36], Morale Boost [30], W T F Waffles [17], Ghostbanë [15]RIPAD :: Sir Humphrey Winterbottom 1.0 [20]- AP Meter : All your AP needs
- Greyskull : Customisable, colour-coded Damage Meter
- Auto Research Scrolls : Automatic management of crafting research scrolls
- ITTs Donation Bot : Donation tracker for Guilds
- ITTs Roster Bot : Roster management for Guilds
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✭✭KisoValley wrote: »Well ZOS hinted with their post on the thread in general disc that because the addon doesn't show specific locations of stealthed players that the addon is allowed which I 100% agree with.
Either take stealth out of the game, or allow the addon.
The argument is that:
1) it still tells you how many players nearby. You can avoid fights and hit targets to your benefit which is essentially an unfair advantage to those that do not run this mod.
You mean like stealth?
And the element of free stun and bonus damage. You don't necessarily need stealth to get the element of surprise, stealth is only a crutch to guarantee that you get it.2) stealth, despite having broken aspects to it, is still a fun playstyle for people. Denying them this ruins a core playstyle in any battlefield simulated game; the element of surprise.
Ok so I might be wrong here, but I don't think addons and mods are the same thing.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
umm no....its not....
mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game
So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:- Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
- Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
- Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)
Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addon
An addon isn't a third party software. An addon isn't a mod, you aren't modifying the existing game code, you are adding to it.
There are no stat changes, speed changes, cooldown changes, or anything altering the game. It's not a radar, it's not a wallhack (you've got tab target for that remember?)
It doesn't impact anyone else in the way the tos means it, you are misinterpreting the tos words. Just like killing someone doesn't impact their game.
No one is taking stealth away from players, they can still use it. It doesn't change anything for people not using the addon.
It changes the way their target might react to the stealther engaging them.
So I don't think this is against the tos.
Now is it overpowered? That's an other question. I think it is, but I also think stealth for everyone in PvP is idiotic, so I fully support the addon as long as stealth remains in its current state.
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Rilmarshim✭✭✭Is it bad for ganking? Damn no, it's awesome if you are ganker! Not only see how many zergers is around but also you can more easy track down specific tagrets.1
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✭KisoValley wrote: »Well ZOS hinted with their post on the thread in general disc that because the addon doesn't show specific locations of stealthed players that the addon is allowed which I 100% agree with.
Either take stealth out of the game, or allow the addon.
The argument is that:
1) it still tells you how many players nearby. You can avoid fights and hit targets to your benefit which is essentially an unfair advantage to those that do not run this mod.
You mean like stealth?
And the element of free stun and bonus damage. You don't necessarily need stealth to get the element of surprise, stealth is only a crutch to guarantee that you get it.2) stealth, despite having broken aspects to it, is still a fun playstyle for people. Denying them this ruins a core playstyle in any battlefield simulated game; the element of surprise.
Ok so I might be wrong here, but I don't think addons and mods are the same thing.RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »
ROFL.
That line specifically mentions only things that are unauthorized. This is authorized as you said.
umm no....its not....
mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game
So ANY mod that "impacts another persons playing of the game or their experience of the game" is not allowed. I would say:- Knowing when someone is stealthed nearby with their name
- Being warned of attacks from stealth before hand and channeled attacks
- Telling the person how many people are around(even ones they don't see)
Most certainly does "adversely impact " other peoples playing experience especially those not using the said addon
An addon isn't a third party software. An addon isn't a mod, you aren't modifying the existing game code, you are adding to it.
There are no stat changes, speed changes, cooldown changes, or anything altering the game. It's not a radar, it's not a wallhack (you've got tab target for that remember?)
It doesn't impact anyone else in the way the tos means it, you are misinterpreting the tos words. Just like killing someone doesn't impact their game.
No one is taking stealth away from players, they can still use it. It doesn't change anything for people not using the addon.
It changes the way their target might react to the stealther engaging them.
So I don't think this is against the tos.
Now is it overpowered? That's an other question. I think it is, but I also think stealth for everyone in PvP is idiotic, so I fully support the addon as long as stealth remains in its current state.
You refer to stealth as a "crutch" and want to see it removed but approve of a blatant and pathetic crutches like this add on. Smfh. I can hardly believe the mentality I am seeing here.Dodge notifications have been available since the start of the game via stabilizer add-ons such as Combat Cloud.
Because it tells you what the attack is, and who it is by, people are crying NSA.
#getSnowdened
So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.2 -
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✭✭✭God_flakes wrote: »So the people who were using front training wheels are now endorsing back training wheels. Training wheels are still training wheels. What I can't understand is why people care so much about this GAME that they go to such lengths to prevent dying (when there is no penalty for it) and deck their game out with so many bells and whistles in a pathetic attempt to be a *star*. Just play the cotton picking game. Stop it. Stop trying to justify why anyone should feel justified even having a tiny sliver of an edge over anyone else because they're savvy enough to know about TRAINING WHEELS.
I am not endorsing anything. I am just pointing out the facts against the argument that "This is cheating, and people need banned"
And no, I don't currently run it. I barely have any addons on because I struggle for playable fps/latency as it is.{★★★★★ · ★★★★★ · ★★ · ★★★★★}350m+ AP PC - EUAddons
AD :: Imported Waffles [37]EP :: Wee ee ee ee ee [16]DC :: Ghostbane's DK [16], Impending Loadscreen [12]PC - NA
AD :: Ghostbane [50], yer ma [43], Sir Humphrey Winterbottom 2.0 [18], robotic baby legs [18]EP :: Wee Mad Arthur [50], avast ye buttcrackz [49], Sir Horace Foghorn [27], Brother Ballbag [24], Scatman John [16]DC :: W T B Waffles [36], Morale Boost [30], W T F Waffles [17], Ghostbanë [15]RIPAD :: Sir Humphrey Winterbottom 1.0 [20]- AP Meter : All your AP needs
- Greyskull : Customisable, colour-coded Damage Meter
- Auto Research Scrolls : Automatic management of crafting research scrolls
- ITTs Donation Bot : Donation tracker for Guilds
- ITTs Roster Bot : Roster management for Guilds
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✭✭✭✭✭LOL at all the ban talk.
Are you joking? Go back to law school. If the very company who is the arbiter of the ambiguous Terms of Service says is legal at this time, then it's legal.
Edited by Joy_Division on December 21, 2016 1:53PM4
