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Official Discussion Thread for "ESO Welcomes Crown Crates"

  • Jim_Pipp
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    MadLarkin wrote: »
    You missed the point of most of the community's complaints. This sort of system has always, without fail, lead to a focus on jamming items into these crates instead of building meaningful content for the game in question. It kills the quality of the game in the long term, thinning out the playerbase.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno I believe you could calm down a lot of the hyperbole about crown crates if you would pull back the curtain to show us what safeguards will stop crown crates being the main area of the game being developed. If having crown crates won't reduce the quality or quantity of DLC then make a statement, because people are acting like they have a moral duty to collectively resist gamble pots. Silence is for assassins and is not helpful here.

    P.S sorry for summoning you on what is probably a difficult day. I hope you saw the many comments where people remembered that you are well-liked, even when people feel a bit angry. And sorry for picking out @MadLarkin 's comment, his was not hyperbolic but it clearly expressed the reasonable fear that crown crates will be what players get instead of actual content/improvements.
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  • redspecter23
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    HeroOfNone wrote: »
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    @ZOS_GinaBruno will the PTS be updated with these new updates on Thursday as well? I would like to test the new RNG numbers but I do not wish to sink in a lot of my crowns bought with real money to do it.

    They could just publish the drop rates which would be much easier than releasing on PTS and having players put 5k crowns a day into crates for a few weeks at a time so we can roughly calculate it out ourselves. It would save us all a bunch of time and effort, but we both know the exact reason they won't publish the drop rates is because they need to intentionally keep those numbers hidden in order to obscure the drop rates as long as possible for those that are easily baited into gambling without knowing the odds ahead of time.

    I'm not likely to buy these crates, but with published drop rates, I could make an intelligent, informed decision rather than just having to say no due to a lack of information. Gambling is one thing. Gambling without the odds? I might as well just burn my money away. I'm aware I'm not the target audience here, but I really feel bad for those that are.

    Even if they gave the numbers I wouldn't trust them, too many times something got pushed out with an extra 0 or a misplaced decimal point. At least if it's synced up on PTS then it's a little more likely to be accurate.

    This is very true. How long did we go with 0% Cipher drop rate on live? If Apex mounts "accidentally" release to live with a 0% drop chance, what happens then?
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  • Sigtric
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    HeroOfNone wrote: »
    HeroOfNone wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno will the PTS be updated with these new updates on Thursday as well? I would like to test the new RNG numbers but I do not wish to sink in a lot of my crowns bought with real money to do it.

    They could just publish the drop rates which would be much easier than releasing on PTS and having players put 5k crowns a day into crates for a few weeks at a time so we can roughly calculate it out ourselves. It would save us all a bunch of time and effort, but we both know the exact reason they won't publish the drop rates is because they need to intentionally keep those numbers hidden in order to obscure the drop rates as long as possible for those that are easily baited into gambling without knowing the odds ahead of time.

    I'm not likely to buy these crates, but with published drop rates, I could make an intelligent, informed decision rather than just having to say no due to a lack of information. Gambling is one thing. Gambling without the odds? I might as well just burn my money away. I'm aware I'm not the target audience here, but I really feel bad for those that are.

    Even if they gave the numbers I wouldn't trust them, too many times something got pushed out with an extra 0 or a misplaced decimal point. At least if it's synced up on PTS then it's a little more likely to be accurate.

    This is very true. How long did we go with 0% Cipher drop rate on live? If Apex mounts "accidentally" release to live with a 0% drop chance, what happens then?

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  • Waseem
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    omfg all what people talk about mounts..
    its useless consumables bundles with lottery of 0.3% chance to get a mount
    its 99.3% consumables crates
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  • RMerlin
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    Let's not be melodramatic. This will certainly not cause the downfall of ESO. A large majority of users probably won't even realize that these crate exist.

    To the people complaining about the RNG deciding what you're getting: ain't that the same every time you rune vMA, or any dungeon, looking for that specific drop?

    To those not understanding the appeal of such an idea: ever bought a Magic: The Gathering pack when a new expansion launches, anticipating what you might get when you unwrap the freshly acquired packs? I suspect that this is a large part of ZOS's intended audience with these crates. If it's not your cup of tea - no problem, just don't buy them. Nothing will change in your life from it.

    If you're an ESO Plus subscriber (like I am), here's something you could potentially buy out of the crowns you get with each sub renewal, if you don't know what else to buy with them.

    Now my take on these: personally, I think it's these crates are a bad idea, however I have no hard feeling toward it - I will simply ignore it, and I feel they will have no real impact on the user base - they probably just not be popular enough to justify long-term investment from them. Here's what I think is likely to happen IMHO.

    ZOS is releasing these as a mean to increase their revenue. They are, after all, a business, who depends on revenue to fund development, pay employees, and reward investors. Seeing how ZOS decided to split the loot tables into "seasons", I suspect that after the first season, the marketing department will look at numbers:

    - How much did we make selling crates?
    - How much did it cost to design the exclusive items?

    Then a purely financial decision might be made. If they don't sell enough crates to justify developing exclusives, then they will consider their options:

    - Drop prices
    - Increase drop rate / desirability of crate content
    - Sell the exclusive items separately, at a higher price than the usual item
    - Drop the whole idea

    However if they do generate enough sales to justify the increased development cost, then all the naysayers will have been wrong, and they will keep going ahead with it, with the income increase benefiting everyone involved (both at ZOS and in the player base).

    So if this is REALLY a bad idea, it's obvious to me that ZOS will re-evaluate it after a few months to decide how to go forward with it in the future (for the next "seasons").


    What I think ZOS should do right now however, is provide the drop rate numbers, which will encourage some people into actually buying crates (or discourage them if the drop rates are too low, in which case I'm sure the community can provide their constructive feedback about what would be acceptable drop rates).

    And my personal opinion is, they should not put any exclusive in there, but always offer them separately. Kinda like an auction on eBay: pay less but risk not getting what you want, or pay a higher price and immediately get it for certain. Offer your player base both options.

    Offering past time-limited offers is an interesting idea, though the community might have been more open to it if they had announced this from day 1 of the Crown Store, so there would be no buyer's remorse. That's in line with my previous idea of the concept: pay less to maybe get it, or pay more to definitely get it.
  • Paulington
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    It doesn't even tell us all of the items for sale in the season's crown crate, not even to mention the current gem prices.
    There are a pretty fair amount of items included in a Crown Crate. You'll be able to see almost all the items you can obtain from a Crate in the Crown Store UI (save for a couple consumables). Similar to the Crown Store Showcase, prices aren't published via the website, but you'll be able to see all Gem amounts come Thursday through the same UI mentioned above.

    Paulington wrote: »
    So how have you addressed the backlash from PTS testing?
    As mentioned in the article, we will be allowing you to manually convert several items to Crown Gems any time you want. In addition, we’ve also made the following changes since you saw Crown Crates on the PTS:
    • We increased the frequency that you’ll receive higher tier rewards
    • We improved the duration of the potions received from Crown Crates, but not beyond what can be crafted
    • We recently added Mythic Aetherial Ambrosia to the game so you can craft a 150% XP consumable similar to those rewarded through Crown Crates

    Abeille wrote: »
    PLEASE just tell us if there is anything that IS NOT THEMED that is going to be exclusive.
    There will be some new, non-themed items exclusive to Crown Crates, yes. These are largely going to be re-skins of existing items, though. You will be able to purchase these with Crown Gems, and they will be priced lower than the themed Apex-level mounts.

    Rouven wrote: »
    Can I convert any crown store consumables? Like the ones that come in bundles?
    No, only consumables obtained through Crown Crates can be converted to Crown Gems.

    Ilsabet wrote: »
    Well one relatively positive detail, at least the way I'm interpreting it, is "You will also have the option to convert several items obtained from Crown Crates to Crown Gems any time you want." To me that sounds like you don't have to commit to either "keep or junk" as soon as you open the crate and get the items, so you can keep your consumables in reserve until you have enough to get gems for the thing you want and then junk them for gems all at once.
    That's correct. Let's say you decide to keep a potion obtained from a Crown Crate. If you later decide you'd rather convert it to a Crown Gem, you can do it any time, even while it's in your inventory.

    Thanks for the info Gina, I eagerly await the patch notes to see more information.

    I really want to be proved wrong here, hopefully they have been improved a lot.
  • Ahnastashia
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    Alucardo wrote: »
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    then we'd have to go back to a subscription model.
    Happily.

    Ditto there. I never cut off my sub from day 1, and would happily continue to subscribe if they went back to it.

    I am currently paying the sub, and would be happy to go back to the sub model. I would have much rather been able to either buy the cool mounts for X amount in the cash shop or have it as a reward for some achievement.
  • Logicbomb00
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    NEW QUESTION ON THE TOPIC

    It just occurred to me that as a long time collector of limited edition mounts etc. that this little gamble box debacle might SEVERELY punish me for having spent my Crowns (and RL cash) on buying them as they were released in the 'limited edition' format and supporting the game through all it's stages of development.

    Let's say I get the Frost Mare mount in a Crown Crate (that I already have and spent around 2500 Crowns for) does this mean that I'll be able to swap it for 2500 Crowns worth of Crown Gems? And if not how much will the Crown Gems I get to trade it for be worth in Crown equivalency? I mean, is that how it works? That previously released mounts and such that sold for Crowns will possibly be dropping from these things?

    Or am I going to be so shafted by the 'exchange rate' of actually buying the Frost Mare when it was 'limited' to getting it in a Crate and trading it, that I start screaming uncontrollably at my own idiocy for having supported ZOS and never stop?? If this is indeed what may be possible now and / or in the future from these crates. The article was a bit vague and I'm still quite confused.

    Edited by Logicbomb00 on November 29, 2016 11:42PM
  • Recremen
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    Legoless wrote: »
    Disappointed that it won't be possible to convert unwanted collectibles as well as consumables. I literally only want the mananaut hat.

    It's such a neat little nod to the old guard weird lore, completely squandered by putting it into a gambling box. And after the Witches Festival hats sold so well, I don't even know what has gotten into them.
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  • Dhukath
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    Any chance ESO+ members will be getting a monthly allowance of gems?

    As an ESO+ member, I have crowns saved and as stated we will still see limited time only mounts, which is what I generally use my crowns for.

    With these crates we are being asked to gamble for the chance to obtain additional mounts. This suggests that each month we will see 1 limited time mount, over the quarter that's 3 limited time mounts plus 6 from crates.

    It begs the question, how much profit is enough for Zenimax and its share holders and have we reached a point whereby profit and greed have surpassed their commitment to quality content and the happiness of the player base.

    Zenimax have already this year shown some degree of profit over content. We were promised a dlc per quarter, if we count Orsinium as one, Thieves Guild as half, Dark Brotherhood as half and the latest a rehash of old content plus 2 dungeons as a quarter. We have seen just under 3 DLC packs.

    Yet the content for the crown store has been consistent, again reinforcing in my opinion Zenimax focus on profit over content.

    From this pattern, which I believe will continue through 2017 we can expect to see premium quality content to become crown locked and possibly gem locked. What I mean by this is look at the quality of crown mounts, which tend to be one model and then successive skins, but now we have possibly the best looking mounts locked behind an rng gem currency. Which as per my first question shows no thanks for those who have thus far supported the game, either through subscription, crown purchases or both.
  • Sigtric
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    Dhukath wrote: »
    Any chance ESO+ members will be getting a monthly allowance of gems?

    As an ESO+ member, I have crowns saved and as stated we will still see limited time only mounts, which is what I generally use my crowns for.

    With these crates we are being asked to gamble for the chance to obtain additional mounts. This suggests that each month we will see 1 limited time mount, over the quarter that's 3 limited time mounts plus 6 from crates.

    It begs the question, how much profit is enough for Zenimax and its share holders and have we reached a point whereby profit and greed have surpassed their commitment to quality content and the happiness of the player base.

    Zenimax have already this year shown some degree of profit over content. We were promised a dlc per quarter, if we count Orsinium as one, Thieves Guild as half, Dark Brotherhood as half and the latest a rehash of old content plus 2 dungeons as a quarter. We have seen just under 3 DLC packs.

    Yet the content for the crown store has been consistent, again reinforcing in my opinion Zenimax focus on profit over content.

    From this pattern, which I believe will continue through 2017 we can expect to see premium quality content to become crown locked and possibly gem locked. What I mean by this is look at the quality of crown mounts, which tend to be one model and then successive skins, but now we have possibly the best looking mounts locked behind an rng gem currency. Which as per my first question shows no thanks for those who have thus far supported the game, either through subscription, crown purchases or both.

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  • Callous2208
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    Who do I gotta tag to get some info about actual content updates and future plans? @ZOS_HeatherPowers?
  • wayfarerx
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    Who do I gotta tag to get some info about actual content updates and future plans? @ZOS_HeatherPowers?

    I imagine we'll see what they're working on when the next season of crates comes out. :neutral:
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  • shadoza
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    MBite wrote: »
    "ESO Welcomes Crown Crates"

    Ok guys, put your hands up, i want to see who welcomes them. No dont be shy, i dont have axe, maybe... no no, just put your hands up.


    Anyway, trash for 400 crowns, thats must buy /s :D
    I'm waiting to see what items will be only exclusive in future, I hope nothing. Sadly hope died today.

    O/
    I welcome them. I have many crowns and nothing I want to purchase in the store...so now I have a place to put those membership crowns :smiley:
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