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Official Discussion Thread for "ESO Welcomes Crown Crates"

  • Xabien
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    Mx13 wrote: »
    Xabien wrote: »
    Maotti wrote: »
    Then it is really settled, Thursday is the day ESO as we know it dies.

    Shameful indeed.

    Second time that's happened for some of us. First came after they went back on "we'd rather switch the server off than move away from sub model"

    They never said that tho.

    CBA to dig up the original interview, think it was from 2014 iirc, but Paul Sage said he'd switch the servers off before making the switch, made a big song and dance about their stance and their ethics.

    Here's another interview which was easier to find, he makes similar overtures in this: http://gamingbolt.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-interview-business-model-is-what-the-business-model-is
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    "MOAR!!!" = Experience scrolls and riding lessons,
    "MOARR!!!" = Vampire/werewolf bites,
    "MOAARRR!!!" = CS exclusive motifs,
    "MOOAARRR!!!" = Crown crates,
    "MOOOAAARRR!!!" = ????

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  • Preyfar
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    Dominoid wrote: »
    There's a difference between a "mod" tasked with enforcing forums rules and a developer/community manager tasked with communicating official company positions. Although I am sure that the developers are following this thread. Hi guys, some details in here please or are "we" expected to spend cash to learn the details?
    Yeah, I know there's a difference, but ZOS also knows this is such a huge hot button topic. The issues they said they'd change/discuss later... haven't been touched on, so those concerns players had are just going to fester.
  • lonewolf26
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    Certainly lacking "all of the details" that were promised. Lacking odds, crown gem conversion rate, or indications on whether the themed mounts and momentous would have a fair straight out purchase price. PTS testing is the only data we've got to go on, and based on that experience I should only buy these if I love feeding dollar bills into a paper shredder. I would not "welcome" this.
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  • Ilsabet
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    Well one relatively positive detail, at least the way I'm interpreting it, is "You will also have the option to convert several items obtained from Crown Crates to Crown Gems any time you want." To me that sounds like you don't have to commit to either "keep or junk" as soon as you open the crate and get the items, so you can keep your consumables in reserve until you have enough to get gems for the thing you want and then junk them for gems all at once.

    I mean these things are still terrible and nobody should buy them, but at least you have some flexibility in how you waste your money.

    Unless that's not what that sentence means and I'm giving ZOS too much credit.

    I'd also like to know how reliable the "valued more than the price of a single crate" statement is now, considering that people determined that it wasn't always true on PTS.
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  • Jim_Pipp
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    So, only utility items can be converted to Crowns. If you get a costume, etc, that you do not want, ot cannot use, you keep it. Also, food and drink do npt appear to be on the list. Are those utility items?

    No odds posted, but not expected, either.
    Recremen wrote: »
    So which part of this fiasco lets you sidestep gaming commission laws? Is it the fact that you are technically buying tokens in order to gamble? Is it that you are ostensibly always "winning", despite no strong evidence that any of the prizes are actually considered to have value except the cosmetics? We're all just dying to know.

    I think you are right, everyone always wins in crown crates, but they rarely win what they want. Therefore a better name for them would be Raffle Nacelles (other names for them may be appropriate but unacceptable on the forums).
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  • lordrichter
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    Dominoid wrote: »
    Xabien wrote: »
    Maotti wrote: »
    Then it is really settled, Thursday is the day ESO as we know it dies.

    Shameful indeed.

    Second time that's happened for some of us. First came after they went back on "we'd rather switch the server off than move away from sub model"

    Second? We "died" when Wildstar launched, then Archeage, then WOW:WOD, then console delay, then "Cash Shop", then B2P, then Blade and Soul, then Black Desert, then One Tamriel, then Crown Crates, then . . .

    Oddly enough, I suspect that where Wildstar failed, and where Archage failed, and where BDO failed, ZOS will be successful. Crown Crates are the next step in the long path since B2P, although not the first step since then. The events that will ultimately lead to death started back then, in March 2015, but it will still be a while before it starts to really be a problem. Enjoy it while you can.
    Xabien wrote: »
    Paul Sage said he'd switch the servers off before making the switch, made a big song and dance about their stance and their ethics.

    Paul Sage never said this. At no time since January 2015 have I ever seen concrete proof that he said this. Anywhere. They said a lot of things about subscription being the right model for the game, and how it allowed them to deliver the game they want to deliver, but no where did they ever say they would shut down the servers.

    Even in your reference, Sage leaves the door open to a change in the business model. In fact, some believe that this indicates that he already knew they were changing when he said that.



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  • Xabien
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    Dominoid wrote: »
    Xabien wrote: »
    Maotti wrote: »
    Then it is really settled, Thursday is the day ESO as we know it dies.

    Shameful indeed.

    Second time that's happened for some of us. First came after they went back on "we'd rather switch the server off than move away from sub model"

    Second? We "died" when Wildstar launched, then Archeage, then WOW:WOD, then console delay, then "Cash Shop", then B2P, then Blade and Soul, then Black Desert, then One Tamriel, then Crown Crates, then . . .

    Oddly enough, I suspect that where Wildstar failed, and where Archage failed, and where BDO failed, ZOS will be successful. Crown Crates are the next step in the long path since B2P, although not the first step since then. The events that will ultimately lead to death started back then, in March 2015, but it will still be a while before it starts to really be a problem. Enjoy it while you can.
    Xabien wrote: »
    Paul Sage said he'd switch the servers off before making the switch, made a big song and dance about their stance and their ethics.

    Paul Sage never said this. At no time since January 2015 have I ever seen concrete proof that he said this. Anywhere. They said a lot of things about subscription being the right model for the game, and how it allowed them to deliver the game they want to deliver, but no where did they ever say they would shut down the servers.

    Even in your reference, Sage leaves the door open to a change in the business model. In fact, some believe that this indicates that he already knew they were changing when he said that.



    We'll have to agree to disagree then as I'm not trawling the net to dig it out. They do a fine enough job of rewriting their own narrative without players giving them a hand too.

    Incidentally, loving the new lines in your PAWS siggie :D
    ∽∽∽ 2 years of Elder Scrolls Online ∼∼∼
    "Give us money" = Box sales & monthly sub fees,
    "moar!" = £10 palomino horse,
    "MOAR!" = Switch to B2P, launch cash shop,
    "MOAR!!" = Charge for DLC that subs had already paid for,
    "MOAR!!!" = Experience scrolls and riding lessons,
    "MOARR!!!" = Vampire/werewolf bites,
    "MOAARRR!!!" = CS exclusive motifs,
    "MOOAARRR!!!" = Crown crates,
    "MOOOAAARRR!!!" = ????

    PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
  • Preyfar
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    Paulington wrote: »
    So how have you addressed the backlash from PTS testing?
    As mentioned in the article, we will be allowing you to manually convert several items to Crown Gems any time you want. In addition, we’ve also made the following changes since you saw Crown Crates on the PTS:
    • We increased the frequency that you’ll receive higher tier rewards
    • We improved the duration of the potions received from Crown Crates, but not beyond what can be crafted
    • We recently added Mythic Aetherial Ambrosia to the game so you can craft a 150% XP consumable similar to those rewarded through Crown Crates
    Thank you. That's the information a lot of us were really looking for. Would it be possible to update the article online to add that information (and maybe help relieve some player anxiety)?
  • CaptainVenom
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    I don't gamble without knowing the odds, ZOS is making the situation worse by sitting on all the details of the probabilities, people don't know what they are getting and so the natural assumption is that they are being ripped off. Until ZOS gives more detailed information the panic will only get worse.

    This. C'mon ZOS, tell us what items can come from the crates and their chances. It's our money we are spending. So please be clear about what we are willing to purchase, at least.
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  • Ilsabet
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    There will be some new, non-themed items exclusive to Crown Crates, yes. These are largely going to be re-skins of existing items, though. You will be able to purchase these with Crown Gems, and they will be priced lower than the themed Apex-level mounts.

    My purple mohawk boar... :cry:
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  • lordrichter
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    Ilsabet wrote: »
    Well one relatively positive detail, at least the way I'm interpreting it, is "You will also have the option to convert several items obtained from Crown Crates to Crown Gems any time you want." To me that sounds like you don't have to commit to either "keep or junk" as soon as you open the crate and get the items, so you can keep your consumables in reserve until you have enough to get gems for the thing you want and then junk them for gems all at once.
    That's correct. Let's say you decide to keep a potion obtained from a Crown Crate. If you later decide you'd rather convert it to a Crown Gem, you can do it any time, even while it's in your inventory.

    Thank you for the information about the exchange rate... 1 consumable = 1 gem.
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    PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say NO to Crown Crates!
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  • Rune_Relic
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    Preyfar wrote: »
    Enodoc wrote: »
    Dominoid wrote: »
    This "article" is woefully light on details.
    Can't disagree with that!
    I think I'm disappointed that ZOS' mods are clearly following this thread and taking action on posts than simply providing answers. Any answers. I've come to realize that the "Official Discussion Threads" are just for players to discuss it, not for staff to interact.

    And with all the concern players have over the crates this would be the one time to step in and answer those questions.

    They dont need to respond...
    ..you/me are providing all the feedback they need for datamining purposes, which may or may not have some kind of influence on the future direction of the game, along with some instant short term profit margins analysis.
    You/me are just a bank account to access...nothing more.
    Remember that next time you're smiled at behind the gritted teeth of a false smile....amidst the smoke and mirrors.

    Time for one last hurrah I think
    :)
    Edited by Rune_Relic on November 29, 2016 8:39PM
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