Please return the milegate scaffolding

Recremen

I really can't understand why they'd take something that's been so universally fun away. :-( It's not like Alessia Bridge where nubs can just get farmed for hours, it's a completely elective place to engage the enemy. You can go up and meet them or you can just pass under the gate and ignore them. Was it because of the little wooden cage you can get stuck in? Just remove those supports or something, don't take away the whole fun.


Here is a picture of the Ash Milegate as it appears on PTS. No third-floor access, way less fun.

Taylor_MB

"Scaffolding" means stairs? They took the stairs away?!

Rohamad_Ali

Yes

This is something I did not know they did . Did they say why ? Are we always suppose to fight on the ground for now on ?

Recremen

Yes

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

This is something I did not know they did . Did they say why ? Are we always suppose to fight on the ground for now on ?

It still has that one second floor, but all the third floor structure is gone, and that was the most fun part! So many different ways you could engage and retreat!!

Rohamad_Ali

Yes

@ZOS_BrianWheeler Why did you do this ? If you are trying to eliminate battles away from keeps and resources , why not remove Dolmans and PvE quests instead ? I don't understand your direction with PvP anymore . If you are trying to make people fight only at keeps and eliminate small scale fight areas or just against elevated fight platforms in general . You're removing things people enjoy .

Why not fix the wall heights so gap closers can't get up instead ? Somethings we asked for instead of spots that make fights interesting away from keeps . Are you going to remove scaffolding at resources too ? Please enlighten us that don't understand what is going on in Cyrodiil with these changes .

Ghost-Shot

Yes

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler Why did you do this ? If you are trying to eliminate battles away from keeps and resources , why not remove Dolmans and PvE quests instead ? I don't understand your direction with PvP anymore . If you are trying to make people fight only at keeps and eliminate small scale fight areas or just against elevated fight platforms in general . You're removing things people enjoy .

Why not fix the wall heights so gap closers can't get up instead ? Somethings we asked for instead of spots that make fights interesting away from keeps . Are you going to remove scaffolding at resources too ? Please enlighten us that don't understand what is going on in Cyrodiil with these changes .

The same reason they took doors off towers, bad players get farmed because they are bad but getting good is not reasonable apparently. Cyrodiil needs to be more accessible for care bears after all!

Recremen

Yes

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler Why did you do this ? If you are trying to eliminate battles away from keeps and resources , why not remove Dolmans and PvE quests instead ? I don't understand your direction with PvP anymore . If you are trying to make people fight only at keeps and eliminate small scale fight areas or just against elevated fight platforms in general . You're removing things people enjoy .

Why not fix the wall heights so gap closers can't get up instead ? Somethings we asked for instead of spots that make fights interesting away from keeps . Are you going to remove scaffolding at resources too ? Please enlighten us that don't understand what is going on in Cyrodiil with these changes .

The same reason they took doors off towers, bad players get farmed because they are bad but getting good is not reasonable apparently. Cyrodiil needs to be more accessible for care bears after all!

Well that's the thing about the scaffolding, it didn't hurt anyone. Several times a large group would just ride past to Nikel because they didn't want to engage. No need to get farmed. There's no reason to take it out that I can find!

Most_Awesome

Yes

Just change the support beams so you cant get stuck in there, and job done

KenaPKK

Yes

The way the supports at the bottom could trap you was odd, as were the lips at the top. The scaffoldings were poorly designed overall. The 3 levels to the gates were tons of fun though. Can't believe they'd outright scrap a third of the gate.

This would be equivalent to removing the top level of the two bridge towers.

Overall for me: more complex terrain is always more exciting, barring buggy or intrusive bits. I support tower doors being removed because I foresee tower combat without them being more dynamic, but not this... Silly.

Manoekin

Yes

Recremen wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler Why did you do this ? If you are trying to eliminate battles away from keeps and resources , why not remove Dolmans and PvE quests instead ? I don't understand your direction with PvP anymore . If you are trying to make people fight only at keeps and eliminate small scale fight areas or just against elevated fight platforms in general . You're removing things people enjoy .

Why not fix the wall heights so gap closers can't get up instead ? Somethings we asked for instead of spots that make fights interesting away from keeps . Are you going to remove scaffolding at resources too ? Please enlighten us that don't understand what is going on in Cyrodiil with these changes .

The same reason they took doors off towers, bad players get farmed because they are bad but getting good is not reasonable apparently. Cyrodiil needs to be more accessible for care bears after all!

Well that's the thing about the scaffolding, it didn't hurt anyone. Several times a large group would just ride past to Nikel because they didn't want to engage. No need to get farmed. There's no reason to take it out that I can find!

TBF no one had to go in a tower either, but Cyrodiil is full of many very special people.

TheBull

No doors on Towers? Good move. Towers are were the slide shows began.

Recremen

Yes

Manoekin wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler Why did you do this ? If you are trying to eliminate battles away from keeps and resources , why not remove Dolmans and PvE quests instead ? I don't understand your direction with PvP anymore . If you are trying to make people fight only at keeps and eliminate small scale fight areas or just against elevated fight platforms in general . You're removing things people enjoy .

Why not fix the wall heights so gap closers can't get up instead ? Somethings we asked for instead of spots that make fights interesting away from keeps . Are you going to remove scaffolding at resources too ? Please enlighten us that don't understand what is going on in Cyrodiil with these changes .

The same reason they took doors off towers, bad players get farmed because they are bad but getting good is not reasonable apparently. Cyrodiil needs to be more accessible for care bears after all!

Well that's the thing about the scaffolding, it didn't hurt anyone. Several times a large group would just ride past to Nikel because they didn't want to engage. No need to get farmed. There's no reason to take it out that I can find!

TBF no one had to go in a tower either, but Cyrodiil is full of many very special people.

I'm still pretty ambivalent about the tower changes. I kind of liked going in and breaking up attempted tower farms, but it was always a coin flip for how many of your people would make it inside on the first door attempt, which could on rare occasions lead to wipes. Then there's the annoying zone chat messages not to get on the flag or to call people down to Bloodmayne and clean out the mill tower or wherever. On the other hand, it was good to at least have a temporary safe fallback point , case the other faction sent 60 people to defend a keep against a group of 16, not that anyone would ever do that. Now they can just set up as many siege as they want and hit every floor of the tower, making it kind of pointless to even go in there to begin with.

The thing is, people will still get farmed at certain resources, like Glade mine or Alessia farm. All it does is stop "the scourge of tower farming". Though, as a point of order, do you think we'll be allowed to gapclose into towers now that they don't have a door? I'm so wary of using half my abilities just because I don't know under what arcane circumstances they'll start to be considered an exploit.

kevlarto_ESO

I would like to hear the reason for this, I don't care either way myself, maybe there was some form of exploit most people did not know any thing about, like the duelers that exploit their way into the checkerboard area to duel on the map, I was surprised at this since there was no rocks to run around LOL.

Recremen

Yes

TheBull wrote: »

No doors on Towers? Good move. Towers are were the slide shows began.

I mean the thread is actually about the scaffolding on milegates but yeah, no doors on towers. Though that's hardly where the slideshows began.

fastolfv_ESO

No

there was an exploit where players could take the camp on the 3rd floor forever without cooldown, seen alot of these "get good" players exploit the crap out of it so ofcourse zenimax would just remove the roof, since when can they bugfix anything or just ban the exploiters

Recremen

Yes

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

there was an exploit where players could take the camp on the 3rd floor forever without cooldown, seen alot of these "get good" players exploit the crap out of it so ofcourse zenimax would just remove the roof, since when can they bugfix anything or just ban the exploiters

What on earth are you going on about? That sounds fake as heck.

Astanphaeus

Yes

If they got rid of the stairs, I want the stairs back. If they got rid of that stupid spot where you get stuck under the stairs, then that would be a good move.

Darnathian

Hmm. Common theme. They are doing away with notorious farms. lol

I do not agree with this one though. The resources doors yes as they gave an unfair advantage to those inside. Not this though.

HoloYoitsu

I'm still stuck in a cage of wood and regret, someone please come help me

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler Why did you do this ? If you are trying to eliminate battles away from keeps and resources , why not remove Dolmans and PvE quests instead ? I don't understand your direction with PvP anymore . If you are trying to make people fight only at keeps and eliminate small scale fight areas or just against elevated fight platforms in general . You're removing things people enjoy .

Why not fix the wall heights so gap closers can't get up instead ? Somethings we asked for instead of spots that make fights interesting away from keeps . Are you going to remove scaffolding at resources too ? Please enlighten us that don't understand what is going on in Cyrodiil with these changes .

The same reason they took doors off towers, bad players get farmed because they are bad but getting good is not reasonable apparently. Cyrodiil needs to be more accessible for care bears after all!

*TRIGGERED*

mook-eb16_ESO

was doors being taken of towers something we asked for I'm pretty sure we didn't ask for that. stairs was something we asked for now its being removed . they could of designed them better but who ever did it didn't have a clue. usual don't listen to community.

yodased

You can't go to the third floor of the mile gates on PTS? That doesn't make very much sense, sure its a chokepoint that could be defended, but there was nothing there that would be considered unfair really.

Multiple exit points with a large enough opening to not get forced into single file.

This I can get behind 100%, not that it matters lol, but that seems to be a very lazy way of "fixing" a small annoyance in getting stuck in the stairs running past them.

Luigi_Vampa

Next lets just remove any interesting terrain and fight on a plain field. No keeps, no objectives, Biggest Zerg wins. gg ZOS.

Poxheart

Darnathian wrote: »

Hmm. Common theme. They are doing away with notorious farms. lol.

If true, then they'd remove outposts, because folks set up farms there, too.

Ackwalan

Just like the doors on the resource towers, some dev got farmed there.

Ghostbane

Yes

Fair enough, the big bad tower farm groups have had their doors took away. There will be an awkward week as they try to cyro delves, before realising, nothing has really changed on the tower farming front.

When I read the patch notes, scaffolding implied the unnecessary excessive structure of the stair supports themselves, capturing all the tipsy riders going through the gate. Not the stairs in their entirety. I am exceptionally disappointed at this change.

Dear @ZOS_BrianWheeler and the Cyro team, could we get a response or some insight to this change? I can't imagine it is down to being a farm spot, because the gates now have less options to destroy said farm.

Also, falling victim to farms is a voluntary process. I don't understand the complaints about tower farming and the like. No one is encouraging you to go in. Nothing is gained by the opposition by being in that tower, other than you voluntary partaking.

White wabbit

Congrats Zos finally got something right

Burning_Talons

Yes

Wait by scaffolding you mean the wooden stairs inside the keep or something? Can you show me a pic

BFT88

No

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

there was an exploit where players could take the camp on the 3rd floor forever without cooldown, seen alot of these "get good" players exploit the crap out of it so ofcourse zenimax would just remove the roof, since when can they bugfix anything or just ban the exploiters

^

People don't read I swear.

IxSTALKERxI

I think the only reason they added it in the first place was because players were able to streak and use mounts to get on the top floor but I believe they've improved the invisble walls around the area since then. I don't know why they can't just make the staircases on each end go to the top and don't add any additional stairs in the middle, was fun fighting up there.

BFT88

No

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

I think the only reason they added it in the first place was because players were able to streak and use mounts to get on the top floor but I believe they've improved the invisble walls around the area since then. I don't know why they can't just make the staircases on each end go to the top and don't add any additional stairs in the middle, was fun fighting up there.

I totally agree. I never understood why they didnt add on to the side stairs.

God_flakes

Scaffolding is what is used as a platform to build a building. Scaffolding is NOT stairs. So unless the Pts is showing no stairs to get to the top floor, you guys are all overreacting. Are you sure the actual STAIRS are gone?