What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

MornaBaine wrote: »

Bottom line: Make EVERYTING available in the crown store individually at regular price. Then sure, go ahead and also throw it in the RNG boxes for those who want to gamble on a deal or just like the crown store consumables. That's what we want @ZOS_MattFiror .

This is what I would like to see. Anything they put exclusively in the Crown Crates that I would like to buy is a loss for them, and savings for me.

Avenias

Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmetics

lordrichter wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Bottom line: Make EVERYTING available in the crown store individually at regular price. Then sure, go ahead and also throw it in the RNG boxes for those who want to gamble on a deal or just like the crown store consumables. That's what we want @ZOS_MattFiror .

This is what I would like to see. Anything they put exclusively in the Crown Crates that I would like to buy is a loss for them, and savings for me.

Thats what everyone says, then they buy one box, then 2, and the cycle continues

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Mercutio wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

2/3 of the voters in this thread don't want these. ZOS releases article saying that they don't care about our opinion. We are being ignored and are getting these regardless. If this thread doesn't change their minds, then it seems they are going forward betting their future on new players and people who play very casually.

We all know that most players don't visit the forums, but if they could somehow poll players on log in (some game I played years ago did that, can't recall which), I think it would be discovered that even more than 2/3rds don't want this implemented in this fashion. Of course that is pure conjecture on my part.

I certainly don't want them put in in the current form. But then I wonder...

Perhaps this is an age issue? I'm in my mid 40's and I suspect that a sizeable portion of Forum Participants are closer to my age than not. I think of my young, pre-teen children and their love of "blind bags" - which is basically the same thing we are discussing here I think for the most part. I don't get it, but perhaps the demographics for TESO skew younger and this is something they would actually appreciate?

Are we indeed speaking for the majority, or is that tunnel vision on our part? Because if the majority of players did want this, then that changes my mindset (not that I intend on ever buying them myself, but I'm just one schlub in a sea of consumers).

I'm holding off on voting because I am hopeful that this will be revised, but as is I think it not just a mistake, but one that might prove to be costly because of the hit to the current player loyalty zeitgeist that I believe TESO to have earned through their, till now, stellar monetization formula.

OR

However unlikely, if it was made known that TESO is not the financial success I believe it to be, that Lucky Bags are needed , I would again be more sympathetic despite believing there are far better ways to bring in additional revenue.

Regardless, even if we are just a subset of a subset, we're obviously very passionate about the issue and I hope Matt Firor or someone else who serves in an official capacity will expound further on this subject. After all, both Dev and Player alike have a shared goal: to keep TESO the great game it is.

It is not a matter of age - but a matter of character and moral values - I am 28 and you know my opinion about the matter.

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Avenias wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Bottom line: Make EVERYTING available in the crown store individually at regular price. Then sure, go ahead and also throw it in the RNG boxes for those who want to gamble on a deal or just like the crown store consumables. That's what we want @ZOS_MattFiror .

This is what I would like to see. Anything they put exclusively in the Crown Crates that I would like to buy is a loss for them, and savings for me.

Thats what everyone says, then they buy one box, then 2, and the cycle continues

They say you buy them for consumables? Must be skooma.

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Bouldercleave wrote: »

As would I, but if I never forgave anyone that ever went back on anything that they said to me, I would be in one lonely place.

I personally have made statements that later I had to change or flat out recant. As I think we all have at some point in our lives.

And, I assume, when you did have to walk back a position, you also explained why you were doing that. Which is part of the problem here. ZOS isn't just backing off a promise, they're doing it without explanation. It's not, "oh, hey, I was going to help you with the thing, but now I've got a family member in the hospital/my car broke down/whatever," it's just, "we're going to pretend we never made the offer in the first place." Which is a huge difference.

ZOS isn't telling us, "look, we needed to change this, because of circumstances beyond our control," they're just saying, "yeah, look at those people who trusted us getting hysterical with 'unfounded fears.'"

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Avenias wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Bottom line: Make EVERYTING available in the crown store individually at regular price. Then sure, go ahead and also throw it in the RNG boxes for those who want to gamble on a deal or just like the crown store consumables. That's what we want @ZOS_MattFiror .

This is what I would like to see. Anything they put exclusively in the Crown Crates that I would like to buy is a loss for them, and savings for me.

Thats what everyone says, then they buy one box, then 2, and the cycle continues

Nope. "Everyone" may say it, but, statistically, most people do not actually buy lucky bags in games.

Dromede

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Another thing that hit me today: how much money do they want from me (figuratevely) as a customer? I pay sub (6 month lapse) , i normally buy about 3 largest crown packs within the same amont of time, so i spend just under $200 every 6 months, about $400 yearly.

This is a pretty crazy sum of money. This game costs me the same as all my entertainment related memberships (hulu, netflix, etc) altogether. How much more am i expected to pay? I don't think that this game has too many people that don't spend anything (0, to be precise, since there's also one-time box cost involved).

Needless to say, i do not hesitate to buy things i want from crown store whenever they are offered. Now i will need to gamble and spend more money to be able to buy/randomly get the same thing i could buy at my own will, and probably spend more crowns/money while at it.

This is confusing. I like supporting this game, but i'd like to do it without going broke.

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Dromede wrote: »

Another thing that hit me today: how much money do they want from me (figuratevely) as a customer? I pay sub (6 month lapse) , i normally buy about 3 largest crown packs within the same amont of time, so i spend just under $200 every 6 months, about $400 yearly.

This is a pretty crazy sum of money. This game costs me the same as all my entertainment related memberships (hulu, netflix, etc) altogether. How much more am i expected to pay? I don't think that this game has too many people that don't spend anything (0, to be precise, since there's also one-time box cost involved).

Needless to say, i do not hesitate to buy things i want from crown store whenever they are offered. Now i will need to gamble and spend more money to be able to buy/randomly get the same thing i could buy at my own will, and probably spend more crowns/money while at it.

This is confusing. I like supporting this game, but i'd like to do it without going broke.

Yeah, the irony is, if they were offering these new mounts at 40 a piece, like the Dro'm'athra mount, they'd probably get substantially more money out of me as I chased the ones I want. But, with this approach? I'll pass.

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

starkerealm wrote: »

Dromede wrote: »

Another thing that hit me today: how much money do they want from me (figuratevely) as a customer? I pay sub (6 month lapse) , i normally buy about 3 largest crown packs within the same amont of time, so i spend just under $200 every 6 months, about $400 yearly.

This is a pretty crazy sum of money. This game costs me the same as all my entertainment related memberships (hulu, netflix, etc) altogether. How much more am i expected to pay? I don't think that this game has too many people that don't spend anything (0, to be precise, since there's also one-time box cost involved).

Needless to say, i do not hesitate to buy things i want from crown store whenever they are offered. Now i will need to gamble and spend more money to be able to buy/randomly get the same thing i could buy at my own will, and probably spend more crowns/money while at it.

This is confusing. I like supporting this game, but i'd like to do it without going broke.

Yeah, the irony is, if they were offering these new mounts at 40 a piece, like the Dro'm'athra mount, they'd probably get substantially more money out of me as I chased the ones I want. But, with this approach? I'll pass.

Exactly. I would gladly spend money for a cosmetic I like, and I do. With this approach, the crown store updates each month for the rng boxes would have to include much more appealing stuff then the other store offerings otherwise no one will buy them. This is going to kill their sales for the average consumer. They are trying to target the big spenders willing to pay hundreds a month. They should show a little integrity and continue with transparent business practices.

Recremen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

JimT722 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Dromede wrote: »

Another thing that hit me today: how much money do they want from me (figuratevely) as a customer? I pay sub (6 month lapse) , i normally buy about 3 largest crown packs within the same amont of time, so i spend just under $200 every 6 months, about $400 yearly.

This is a pretty crazy sum of money. This game costs me the same as all my entertainment related memberships (hulu, netflix, etc) altogether. How much more am i expected to pay? I don't think that this game has too many people that don't spend anything (0, to be precise, since there's also one-time box cost involved).

Needless to say, i do not hesitate to buy things i want from crown store whenever they are offered. Now i will need to gamble and spend more money to be able to buy/randomly get the same thing i could buy at my own will, and probably spend more crowns/money while at it.

This is confusing. I like supporting this game, but i'd like to do it without going broke.

Yeah, the irony is, if they were offering these new mounts at 40 a piece, like the Dro'm'athra mount, they'd probably get substantially more money out of me as I chased the ones I want. But, with this approach? I'll pass.

Exactly. I would gladly spend money for a cosmetic I like, and I do. With this approach, the crown store updates each month for the rng boxes would have to include much more appealing stuff then the other store offerings otherwise no one will buy them. This is going to kill their sales for the average consumer. They are trying to target the big spenders willing to pay hundreds a month. They should show a little integrity and continue with transparent business practices.

The most messed-up thing is that even the ones willing to pay hundreds a month won't be guaranteed to get The Cool Thing. They are somewhat more likely to get it, but it's no guarantee, which is the problem with all pure RNG systems, most especially ones that cost real money.

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Recremen wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Dromede wrote: »

Another thing that hit me today: how much money do they want from me (figuratevely) as a customer? I pay sub (6 month lapse) , i normally buy about 3 largest crown packs within the same amont of time, so i spend just under $200 every 6 months, about $400 yearly.

This is a pretty crazy sum of money. This game costs me the same as all my entertainment related memberships (hulu, netflix, etc) altogether. How much more am i expected to pay? I don't think that this game has too many people that don't spend anything (0, to be precise, since there's also one-time box cost involved).

Needless to say, i do not hesitate to buy things i want from crown store whenever they are offered. Now i will need to gamble and spend more money to be able to buy/randomly get the same thing i could buy at my own will, and probably spend more crowns/money while at it.

This is confusing. I like supporting this game, but i'd like to do it without going broke.

Yeah, the irony is, if they were offering these new mounts at 40 a piece, like the Dro'm'athra mount, they'd probably get substantially more money out of me as I chased the ones I want. But, with this approach? I'll pass.

Exactly. I would gladly spend money for a cosmetic I like, and I do. With this approach, the crown store updates each month for the rng boxes would have to include much more appealing stuff then the other store offerings otherwise no one will buy them. This is going to kill their sales for the average consumer. They are trying to target the big spenders willing to pay hundreds a month. They should show a little integrity and continue with transparent business practices.

The most messed-up thing is that even the ones willing to pay hundreds a month won't be guaranteed to get The Cool Thing. They are somewhat more likely to get it, but it's no guarantee, which is the problem with all pure RNG systems, most especially ones that cost real money.

Yes, unfortunately that won't stop them from trying. Its horrible what the mmo industry has become.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

starkerealm wrote: »

Yeah, the irony is, if they were offering these new mounts at 40 a piece, like the Dro'm'athra mount, they'd probably get substantially more money out of me as I chased the ones I want. But, with this approach? I'll pass.

Well, they make decisions that I don't particularly care for. I don't craft CP 160 gear because the grind for mats is insane. Instead, I sell mats to those who do and craft CP 150 gear, and wear whatever I pick up off the ground.

I don't do top tier equipment writs anymore, either.

I don't do Enchanting anymore. At least, not like I used to. I used to enchant my gear when leveling, and had a couple of enchanters that I was leveling. The way they are doing Potency runes makes it too dependent on the RNG, so I am conserving the Potency runes that I have. Enchanting used to be my favorite crafting line.

If they start reserving the "best stuff" for the Crates, I simply won't be buying as much stuff in the Crown Store. Win for me because I spend less money with ZOS, and win for them, too, because they know best and do it their way!

I am guessing that I am well outside what everyone else is doing since they seem as happy with what they are doing.

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

I am guessing that I am well outside what everyone else is doing since they seem as happy with what they are doing.

Not necessarily. I made a single set of V16 gold gear awhile back. But, that was it. None of my alts have gotten crafted gear. I stopped doing the T10 writs when DB hit. You're not alone.

MornaBaine

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I'm pretty sure the powers that be are done looking at this thread so I thought I would ask some specific questions regarding the RNG boxes that have not been answered yet.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/287905/alright-then-zos-tell-us-everything-about-the-rng-boxes#latest

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

They will never be done looking at this thread cause it'll never leave the first page

Dromede

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

starkerealm wrote: »

Dromede wrote: »

Another thing that hit me today: how much money do they want from me (figuratevely) as a customer? I pay sub (6 month lapse) , i normally buy about 3 largest crown packs within the same amont of time, so i spend just under $200 every 6 months, about $400 yearly.

This is a pretty crazy sum of money. This game costs me the same as all my entertainment related memberships (hulu, netflix, etc) altogether. How much more am i expected to pay? I don't think that this game has too many people that don't spend anything (0, to be precise, since there's also one-time box cost involved).

Needless to say, i do not hesitate to buy things i want from crown store whenever they are offered. Now i will need to gamble and spend more money to be able to buy/randomly get the same thing i could buy at my own will, and probably spend more crowns/money while at it.

This is confusing. I like supporting this game, but i'd like to do it without going broke.

Yeah, the irony is, if they were offering these new mounts at 40 a piece, like the Dro'm'athra mount, they'd probably get substantially more money out of me as I chased the ones I want. But, with this approach? I'll pass.

Yep - i have that mount even though i thought it was overpriced. I even have the *** Breton Hero costume because i liked the concept and was looking forward to it for a while.

I have a banker because he makes my life in trials/dungeons easier. No problem paying for i, even though i had to wait till my sub renews to get that fat amount of crowns at once.

I wouldn't gamble for any of these things though

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

nimander99 wrote: »

They will never be done looking at this thread cause it'll never leave the first page

I'm pretty sure the developers are ignoring this one.

EQBallzz

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

The_Undefined wrote: »

FireCowCommando wrote: »

The_Undefined wrote: »

The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."

Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.

Would you mind posting a link? The only article I saw was the one where they officially announced the lockboxes. The only thing I got out of that one were just vague the details of what they're doing.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/11112/Elder-Scrolls-Online-All-About-the-Crown-Crates-Coming-in-One-Tamriel.html

MMORPG: How can you alleviate the concerns that players have expressed?

MF: I think the most common concern is that this is a slippery slope that will lead to monetization chaos and pay-to-win. However, since almost all of the items in Crown Crates are already in the Crown Store to begin with (with the exception of the unique mounts and customization items), that is a baseless fear. Our #1 mantra for virtual currency monetization is “do no harm” – meaning, don’t rock the boat by introducing items into the game that directly influence player power. This is a core design philosophy for the game, and we are not changing it by introducing Crown Crates.

I think it is worth noting that much of this same commentary was expressed when we initially announced the Crown Store back in 2015 – slippery slope, pay-to-win, etc. – there was lots of fear then that was alleviated once players got a chance to see it and try it out for themselves.

WOW. That response is f'ing crazy. Do no harm? That is all they have done since moving away from subs including all the lying about "tracking XP" and "no cash shop" and "no casino boxes" etc etc..They have gone back on almost everything they said this game would be and he says they are doing no harm? o.O Shocking and bordering on delusional.

Who could even believe a single word they say at this point? Yes, we did say the same thing about the cash shop..we said it would end up having F'ing loot crates like this and we were right! This is exactly what everyone was afraid of! Loot crates != gameplay! Loot crates are not innovative or fun! Loot crates are predatory gambling boxes that prey on "impulse buying".

p.s. I have a bunch of unspent crowns on my account MF..go ahead and keep those since it's all you seem to care about. I won't be needing them ever again. Have fun milking your players for every cent you can before they quit instead of making compelling games that people want to play (and pay) for years to come.

GhostwalkerLD

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MornaBaine wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/286094/what-do-you-think-of-crown-store-random-boxes-lottery-box#latest

So after reading the article it STILL seems to me that there will be costumes, hairstyles, adornments and probbaly things like tats, scars and makeup that will ONLY be available via these RNG boxes. THAT is what I, and most everyone else, objects to. The excuse that if you get something yu already have you'll get special "gems" you can trade doesn't help those of us who are NOT "gotta catch them all" junkies and have passed on many costumes due to either poor quality or simply no interest in having that particular costume. So RNG boxes will almost never help me to obtain the things I actually want.

Bottom line: Make EVERYTING available in the crown store individually at regular price. Then sure, go ahead and also throw it in the RNG boxes for those who want to gamble on a deal or just like the crown store consumables. That's what we want @ZOS_MattFiror . Please explain to us why we can't have it.

Seriously this. I have no problem paying a flat price for something that I want on a crown store, now that we're stuck with it. But there is no way in Oblivion I'm going to pay 400 crowns for what passes for RNG in this game to give me a 'chance' at getting something I might actually want.

Just get rid of these crates and put stuff on the crown store for a flat price! And no more of this idiotic excuse of "well we need exclusive deals or have to rotate items to 'make room' for others, on a VIRTUAL STORE.

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/286094/what-do-you-think-of-crown-store-random-boxes-lottery-box#latest

So after reading the article it STILL seems to me that there will be costumes, hairstyles, adornments and probbaly things like tats, scars and makeup that will ONLY be available via these RNG boxes. THAT is what I, and most everyone else, objects to. The excuse that if you get something yu already have you'll get special "gems" you can trade doesn't help those of us who are NOT "gotta catch them all" junkies and have passed on many costumes due to either poor quality or simply no interest in having that particular costume. So RNG boxes will almost never help me to obtain the things I actually want.

Bottom line: Make EVERYTING available in the crown store individually at regular price. Then sure, go ahead and also throw it in the RNG boxes for those who want to gamble on a deal or just like the crown store consumables. That's what we want @ZOS_MattFiror . Please explain to us why we can't have it.

Seriously this. I have no problem paying a flat price for something that I want on a crown store, now that we're stuck with it. But there is no way in Oblivion I'm going to pay 400 crowns for what passes for RNG in this game to give me a 'chance' at getting something I might actually want.

Just get rid of these crates and put stuff on the crown store for a flat price! And no more of this idiotic excuse of "well we need exclusive deals or have to rotate items to 'make room' for others, on a VIRTUAL STORE.

Put simply its a excuse to scrape more money out of idiot customers who are going to support this and buy there boxes left right and centre THEN cry like babys because A. they thought this was a good way to get items B. because they have more money than brains C.realize for all there money wasted they could have payed less for the item outright if it was in the crown store!! SADLY this is going to happen and its clearly just a HUGE cash grab off whos stupid enough to get baited!! best thing to do is NOT buy there boxes and watch them beg for cash... My biggest issue with this is if they had focused on fixing issues when they occured promptly and offered a decent game they wouldnt have lost customers so early and could have charged a sub ( ESO is the only game ppl play on the ps4 BAH bullsh.t and other games require the PSN sub) and now screaming for money!! there was issues that i was aware ( i came back to play 5-6 weeks ago) for alteast 4 weeks of them !! a month of issues and they did nothing and wonder why they shed players so offen!! ONCE AGAIN I URGE PPL TO NOT BUY THESE BOXES its a scam and nothing more than CASH GRAB for ZOS to make up for the loss of revenue due to there own STUPID MISTAKES!!

Recremen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

snakester320 wrote: »

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/286094/what-do-you-think-of-crown-store-random-boxes-lottery-box#latest

So after reading the article it STILL seems to me that there will be costumes, hairstyles, adornments and probbaly things like tats, scars and makeup that will ONLY be available via these RNG boxes. THAT is what I, and most everyone else, objects to. The excuse that if you get something yu already have you'll get special "gems" you can trade doesn't help those of us who are NOT "gotta catch them all" junkies and have passed on many costumes due to either poor quality or simply no interest in having that particular costume. So RNG boxes will almost never help me to obtain the things I actually want.

Bottom line: Make EVERYTING available in the crown store individually at regular price. Then sure, go ahead and also throw it in the RNG boxes for those who want to gamble on a deal or just like the crown store consumables. That's what we want @ZOS_MattFiror . Please explain to us why we can't have it.

Seriously this. I have no problem paying a flat price for something that I want on a crown store, now that we're stuck with it. But there is no way in Oblivion I'm going to pay 400 crowns for what passes for RNG in this game to give me a 'chance' at getting something I might actually want.

Just get rid of these crates and put stuff on the crown store for a flat price! And no more of this idiotic excuse of "well we need exclusive deals or have to rotate items to 'make room' for others, on a VIRTUAL STORE.

Put simply its a excuse to scrape more money out of idiot customers who are going to support this and buy there boxes left right and centre THEN cry like babys because A. they thought this was a good way to get items B. because they have more money than brains C.realize for all there money wasted they could have payed less for the item outright if it was in the crown store!! SADLY this is going to happen and its clearly just a HUGE cash grab off whos stupid enough to get baited!! best thing to do is NOT buy there boxes and watch them beg for cash... My biggest issue with this is if they had focused on fixing issues when they occured promptly and offered a decent game they wouldnt have lost customers so early and could have charged a sub ( ESO is the only game ppl play on the ps4 BAH bullsh.t and other games require the PSN sub) and now screaming for money!! there was issues that i was aware ( i came back to play 5-6 weeks ago) for alteast 4 weeks of them !! a month of issues and they did nothing and wonder why they shed players so offen!! ONCE AGAIN I URGE PPL TO NOT BUY THESE BOXES its a scam and nothing more than CASH GRAB for ZOS to make up for the loss of revenue due to there own STUPID MISTAKES!!

It's not about people having no brains, it's about people having no training in Probability. This applies to all pure RNG systems. Fixing that tomorrow morning.

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Well, I am so happy they are returning the mind shriven skin, I am so not going to go to a gamble box to get it.
I have wanted it, also the horse looks nice, would like to possibly get the zombie horse. But I am also hoping they release The Cyrod Gentry gown into the crownstore soon.

JamilaRaj

Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmetics

Recremen wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Dromede wrote: »

Another thing that hit me today: how much money do they want from me (figuratevely) as a customer? I pay sub (6 month lapse) , i normally buy about 3 largest crown packs within the same amont of time, so i spend just under $200 every 6 months, about $400 yearly.

This is a pretty crazy sum of money. This game costs me the same as all my entertainment related memberships (hulu, netflix, etc) altogether. How much more am i expected to pay? I don't think that this game has too many people that don't spend anything (0, to be precise, since there's also one-time box cost involved).

Needless to say, i do not hesitate to buy things i want from crown store whenever they are offered. Now i will need to gamble and spend more money to be able to buy/randomly get the same thing i could buy at my own will, and probably spend more crowns/money while at it.

This is confusing. I like supporting this game, but i'd like to do it without going broke.

Yeah, the irony is, if they were offering these new mounts at 40 a piece, like the Dro'm'athra mount, they'd probably get substantially more money out of me as I chased the ones I want. But, with this approach? I'll pass.

Exactly. I would gladly spend money for a cosmetic I like, and I do. With this approach, the crown store updates each month for the rng boxes would have to include much more appealing stuff then the other store offerings otherwise no one will buy them. This is going to kill their sales for the average consumer. They are trying to target the big spenders willing to pay hundreds a month. They should show a little integrity and continue with transparent business practices.

The most messed-up thing is that even the ones willing to pay hundreds a month won't be guaranteed to get The Cool Thing. They are somewhat more likely to get it, but it's no guarantee, which is the problem with all pure RNG systems, most especially ones that cost real money.

ZOS can already milk people willing to pay hundreds or any arbitrary sum. This new measure will help milk people generally unwilling to pay hundreds, sometimes not even $4, but that can be tricked into paying that and much more.
If ZOS rolled out a scambox, guarantee the epic X is inside (at which point it would stop being a scambox, or at least of this particular kind) and asked for $400, nobody but a whale or two would buy it.
But if ZOS rolls out a scambox, says the epic X may be inside (and makes sure there are nice pictures of X everywhere on it) and puts $4 price tag on it, gullible players will conclude X = $4 and buy it, including those who would normally not buy a $4 thing, because they will be offered X, that would otherwise cost, say, $40, for mere $4, and that is bloody good deal, isn't it? If there is nothing in a scambox, they will buy another, because $40 X for $8 is almost as good, and so on.

Though as I wrote earlier, ZOS is doing it in rather clever way, so deceptive prices are not deceptive and gambling is not gambling.

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Nope. Matt is just speaking for a suit who is desperately trying to save the potential money he reeeally wants to make.

Despite how Firor dresses, he is a suit. Just want to be clear on this.

He seems to wear a number of hats at ZOS. He is the President of ZeniMax Online Studios, as well as the Game Director for Elder Scrolls Online.

Ultimately, the Crown Crates are in the game because he signed off on the idea.

Oh, so he -is- a suit, and directly responsible for these sales decisions? Welllllll theeeeeeen.

That makes hate distribution so much easier. Thanks.

Marrtha

No, don't ever add these into the game.

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Dromede wrote: »

Another thing that hit me today: how much money do they want from me (figuratevely) as a customer? I pay sub (6 month lapse) , i normally buy about 3 largest crown packs within the same amont of time, so i spend just under $200 every 6 months, about $400 yearly.

This is a pretty crazy sum of money. This game costs me the same as all my entertainment related memberships (hulu, netflix, etc) altogether. How much more am i expected to pay? I don't think that this game has too many people that don't spend anything (0, to be precise, since there's also one-time box cost involved).

Needless to say, i do not hesitate to buy things i want from crown store whenever they are offered. Now i will need to gamble and spend more money to be able to buy/randomly get the same thing i could buy at my own will, and probably spend more crowns/money while at it.

This is confusing. I like supporting this game, but i'd like to do it without going broke.

Yeah, the irony is, if they were offering these new mounts at 40 a piece, like the Dro'm'athra mount, they'd probably get substantially more money out of me as I chased the ones I want. But, with this approach? I'll pass.

Exactly. I would gladly spend money for a cosmetic I like, and I do. With this approach, the crown store updates each month for the rng boxes would have to include much more appealing stuff then the other store offerings otherwise no one will buy them. This is going to kill their sales for the average consumer. They are trying to target the big spenders willing to pay hundreds a month. They should show a little integrity and continue with transparent business practices.

The most messed-up thing is that even the ones willing to pay hundreds a month won't be guaranteed to get The Cool Thing. They are somewhat more likely to get it, but it's no guarantee, which is the problem with all pure RNG systems, most especially ones that cost real money.

ZOS can already milk people willing to pay hundreds or any arbitrary sum. This new measure will help milk people generally unwilling to pay hundreds, sometimes not even $4, but that can be tricked into paying that and much more.
If ZOS rolled out a scambox, guarantee the epic X is inside (at which point it would stop being a scambox, or at least of this particular kind) and asked for $400, nobody but a whale or two would buy it.
But if ZOS rolls out a scambox, says the epic X may be inside (and makes sure there are nice pictures of X everywhere on it) and puts $4 price tag on it, gullible players will conclude X = $4 and buy it, including those who would normally not buy a $4 thing, because they will be offered X, that would otherwise cost, say, $40, for mere $4, and that is bloody good deal, isn't it? If there is nothing in a scambox, they will buy another, because $40 X for $8 is almost as good, and so on.

Though as I wrote earlier, ZOS is doing it in rather clever way, so deceptive prices are not deceptive and gambling is not gambling.

Is this the respect players get? Hm...

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Dromede wrote: »

Another thing that hit me today: how much money do they want from me (figuratevely) as a customer? I pay sub (6 month lapse) , i normally buy about 3 largest crown packs within the same amont of time, so i spend just under $200 every 6 months, about $400 yearly.

This is a pretty crazy sum of money. This game costs me the same as all my entertainment related memberships (hulu, netflix, etc) altogether. How much more am i expected to pay? I don't think that this game has too many people that don't spend anything (0, to be precise, since there's also one-time box cost involved).

Needless to say, i do not hesitate to buy things i want from crown store whenever they are offered. Now i will need to gamble and spend more money to be able to buy/randomly get the same thing i could buy at my own will, and probably spend more crowns/money while at it.

This is confusing. I like supporting this game, but i'd like to do it without going broke.

Yeah, the irony is, if they were offering these new mounts at 40 a piece, like the Dro'm'athra mount, they'd probably get substantially more money out of me as I chased the ones I want. But, with this approach? I'll pass.

Exactly. I would gladly spend money for a cosmetic I like, and I do. With this approach, the crown store updates each month for the rng boxes would have to include much more appealing stuff then the other store offerings otherwise no one will buy them. This is going to kill their sales for the average consumer. They are trying to target the big spenders willing to pay hundreds a month. They should show a little integrity and continue with transparent business practices.

The most messed-up thing is that even the ones willing to pay hundreds a month won't be guaranteed to get The Cool Thing. They are somewhat more likely to get it, but it's no guarantee, which is the problem with all pure RNG systems, most especially ones that cost real money.

ZOS can already milk people willing to pay hundreds or any arbitrary sum. This new measure will help milk people generally unwilling to pay hundreds, sometimes not even $4, but that can be tricked into paying that and much more.
If ZOS rolled out a scambox, guarantee the epic X is inside (at which point it would stop being a scambox, or at least of this particular kind) and asked for $400, nobody but a whale or two would buy it.
But if ZOS rolls out a scambox, says the epic X may be inside (and makes sure there are nice pictures of X everywhere on it) and puts $4 price tag on it, gullible players will conclude X = $4 and buy it, including those who would normally not buy a $4 thing, because they will be offered X, that would otherwise cost, say, $40, for mere $4, and that is bloody good deal, isn't it? If there is nothing in a scambox, they will buy another, because $40 X for $8 is almost as good, and so on.

Though as I wrote earlier, ZOS is doing it in rather clever way, so deceptive prices are not deceptive and gambling is not gambling.

They are a SCAM full stop!!! Its to decieve players in to spending more money with the hope of getting something worth while even if that mount or costume isnt something they want ... WHICH IS WRONG AND DISGUSTING BUSSINESS PRACTICE.. specially now when they have a system that is fair BUY or DONT BUY what you want at a price!!! There taking away ppls choice to buy what they want not what there STUPID RNG counter says you can have!! all to make more money off there customers!! theres a huge differance to me paying 2500 crowns for a specific mount instead of 10000-100000 for crap that i dont particularly want!! Really think the drop rate is going to be in your favor EVER!!!

Avenias

Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmetics

snakester320 wrote: »

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Dromede wrote: »

Another thing that hit me today: how much money do they want from me (figuratevely) as a customer? I pay sub (6 month lapse) , i normally buy about 3 largest crown packs within the same amont of time, so i spend just under $200 every 6 months, about $400 yearly.

This is a pretty crazy sum of money. This game costs me the same as all my entertainment related memberships (hulu, netflix, etc) altogether. How much more am i expected to pay? I don't think that this game has too many people that don't spend anything (0, to be precise, since there's also one-time box cost involved).

Needless to say, i do not hesitate to buy things i want from crown store whenever they are offered. Now i will need to gamble and spend more money to be able to buy/randomly get the same thing i could buy at my own will, and probably spend more crowns/money while at it.

This is confusing. I like supporting this game, but i'd like to do it without going broke.

Yeah, the irony is, if they were offering these new mounts at 40 a piece, like the Dro'm'athra mount, they'd probably get substantially more money out of me as I chased the ones I want. But, with this approach? I'll pass.

Exactly. I would gladly spend money for a cosmetic I like, and I do. With this approach, the crown store updates each month for the rng boxes would have to include much more appealing stuff then the other store offerings otherwise no one will buy them. This is going to kill their sales for the average consumer. They are trying to target the big spenders willing to pay hundreds a month. They should show a little integrity and continue with transparent business practices.

The most messed-up thing is that even the ones willing to pay hundreds a month won't be guaranteed to get The Cool Thing. They are somewhat more likely to get it, but it's no guarantee, which is the problem with all pure RNG systems, most especially ones that cost real money.

ZOS can already milk people willing to pay hundreds or any arbitrary sum. This new measure will help milk people generally unwilling to pay hundreds, sometimes not even $4, but that can be tricked into paying that and much more.
If ZOS rolled out a scambox, guarantee the epic X is inside (at which point it would stop being a scambox, or at least of this particular kind) and asked for $400, nobody but a whale or two would buy it.
But if ZOS rolls out a scambox, says the epic X may be inside (and makes sure there are nice pictures of X everywhere on it) and puts $4 price tag on it, gullible players will conclude X = $4 and buy it, including those who would normally not buy a $4 thing, because they will be offered X, that would otherwise cost, say, $40, for mere $4, and that is bloody good deal, isn't it? If there is nothing in a scambox, they will buy another, because $40 X for $8 is almost as good, and so on.

Though as I wrote earlier, ZOS is doing it in rather clever way, so deceptive prices are not deceptive and gambling is not gambling.

They are a SCAM full stop!!! Its to decieve players in to spending more money with the hope of getting something worth while even if that mount or costume isnt something they want ... WHICH IS WRONG AND DISGUSTING BUSSINESS PRACTICE.. specially now when they have a system that is fair BUY or DONT BUY what you want at a price!!! There taking away ppls choice to buy what they want not what there STUPID RNG counter says you can have!! all to make more money off there customers!! theres a huge differance to me paying 2500 crowns for a specific mount instead of 10000-100000 for crap that i dont particularly want!! Really think the drop rate is going to be in your favor EVER!!!

Its not illegal. Game companies should milk the *** out of their players in every corner

Tandor

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

These are going to be optional, you know. Anyone would think we're being coerced into giving our life savings away in the delusional hope that we might pick up some worthless trinket at the end of the day.

Note that I'm not saying I'd choose to have these boxes in the game, any more than I'd choose to have the Crown Store in it either, but while the first part of the topic was rationally and relatively calmly debated it has descended into way over-the-top and rather silly arguments that don't help to make the strong case against having these boxes in the game. Nor is the critics' case strengthened by the lobbing of petty insults at individual developers who can't realistically use this forum to defend themselves. They just get their words twisted and turned and thrown back at them in some cases months or even years down the line - and people wonder why the developers don't bother to post here!

There was a decent argument to be made against the boxes and that argument peaked a good few pages ago, most of what's been added since is just chipping away at the strength of that argument. I personally think this topic has run its course. If the developers have been following it then they'll have got the message a while back.

JamilaRaj

Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmetics

snakester320 wrote: »

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Dromede wrote: »

Another thing that hit me today: how much money do they want from me (figuratevely) as a customer? I pay sub (6 month lapse) , i normally buy about 3 largest crown packs within the same amont of time, so i spend just under $200 every 6 months, about $400 yearly.

This is a pretty crazy sum of money. This game costs me the same as all my entertainment related memberships (hulu, netflix, etc) altogether. How much more am i expected to pay? I don't think that this game has too many people that don't spend anything (0, to be precise, since there's also one-time box cost involved).

Needless to say, i do not hesitate to buy things i want from crown store whenever they are offered. Now i will need to gamble and spend more money to be able to buy/randomly get the same thing i could buy at my own will, and probably spend more crowns/money while at it.

This is confusing. I like supporting this game, but i'd like to do it without going broke.

Yeah, the irony is, if they were offering these new mounts at 40 a piece, like the Dro'm'athra mount, they'd probably get substantially more money out of me as I chased the ones I want. But, with this approach? I'll pass.

Exactly. I would gladly spend money for a cosmetic I like, and I do. With this approach, the crown store updates each month for the rng boxes would have to include much more appealing stuff then the other store offerings otherwise no one will buy them. This is going to kill their sales for the average consumer. They are trying to target the big spenders willing to pay hundreds a month. They should show a little integrity and continue with transparent business practices.

The most messed-up thing is that even the ones willing to pay hundreds a month won't be guaranteed to get The Cool Thing. They are somewhat more likely to get it, but it's no guarantee, which is the problem with all pure RNG systems, most especially ones that cost real money.

ZOS can already milk people willing to pay hundreds or any arbitrary sum. This new measure will help milk people generally unwilling to pay hundreds, sometimes not even $4, but that can be tricked into paying that and much more.
If ZOS rolled out a scambox, guarantee the epic X is inside (at which point it would stop being a scambox, or at least of this particular kind) and asked for $400, nobody but a whale or two would buy it.
But if ZOS rolls out a scambox, says the epic X may be inside (and makes sure there are nice pictures of X everywhere on it) and puts $4 price tag on it, gullible players will conclude X = $4 and buy it, including those who would normally not buy a $4 thing, because they will be offered X, that would otherwise cost, say, $40, for mere $4, and that is bloody good deal, isn't it? If there is nothing in a scambox, they will buy another, because $40 X for $8 is almost as good, and so on.

Though as I wrote earlier, ZOS is doing it in rather clever way, so deceptive prices are not deceptive and gambling is not gambling.

They are a SCAM full stop!!! Its to decieve players in to spending more money with the hope of getting something worth while even if that mount or costume isnt something they want ... WHICH IS WRONG AND DISGUSTING BUSSINESS PRACTICE.. specially now when they have a system that is fair BUY or DONT BUY what you want at a price!!! There taking away ppls choice to buy what they want not what there STUPID RNG counter says you can have!! all to make more money off there customers!! theres a huge differance to me paying 2500 crowns for a specific mount instead of 10000-100000 for crap that i dont particularly want!! Really think the drop rate is going to be in your favor EVER!!!

Yeah, but always look on the bright side. Matt will at least have some cool stories to tell to his grandkids one day, about the good old times when he and his posse of ruthless P2W experts roamed the net a scammed left and right. And the kids would sit and listen with awe.

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Tandor wrote: »

These are going to be optional, you know. Anyone would think we're being coerced into giving our life savings away in the delusional hope that we might pick up some worthless trinket at the end of the day.

Note that I'm not saying I'd choose to have these boxes in the game, any more than I'd choose to have the Crown Store in it either, but while the first part of the topic was rationally and relatively calmly debated it has descended into way over-the-top and rather silly arguments that don't help to make the strong case against having these boxes in the game. Nor is the critics' case strengthened by the lobbing of petty insults at individual developers who can't realistically use this forum to defend themselves. They just get their words twisted and turned and thrown back at them in some cases months or even years down the line - and people wonder why the developers don't bother to post here!

There was a decent argument to be made against the boxes and that argument peaked a good few pages ago, most of what's been added since is just chipping away at the strength of that argument. I personally think this topic has run its course. If the developers have been following it then they'll have got the message a while back.

And yet we're still bloody well here. Why? Because we are passionate about this issue. I wanna hit 100 pages, and hammer that point home, personally.

As for the developers who have been individually attacked...individual people can be help accountable and should. The quotemining, the individuals being held accountable, this is not a thing centric to this forum. Though, I think the discussion about just how much we should hold people to their word as time goes by is a discussion worth having.

And as for the 'it's going to be optional you know', that misses the point of why people hate these entirely. They hate the system. They hate the practice. Just because it does not effect them directly does not mean it does not effect them indirectly.

If you no longer have anything to add to the discussion then by all means, take your leave of it. But enough with the parting shots on the way out. Crap, or get off the pot.