What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

AnthragonVangor

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lol, the "nature boy".

AnthragonVangor

No, don't ever add these into the game.

When I am thinking of Ric Flair I have to think about the 90's...Wrestling wasn't on Pay TV...games had no problems with internet and no loot boxes or even Season Passes. And 90's i.m.o. best time in Wrestling.


I bet you will win the better server connection in on of these boxes... or you'll receive an item that can make disappearing the opponent alliance while playing PvP and they get the message "check you internet connection".

Mercutio

JimT722 wrote: »

The problem with this system is the items you likely would want to buy from now on are going to end up in these boxes and not on the store leaving nothing else worthwhile to spend crowns on, and at $4 an attempt. People will buy into this and it will make tons of money. When you can make money really easy, this is what's going to be focused on at the expense of other aspects of the game. I have seen it happen before. unfortunately it's likely to happen here.

You very well could be right. I'm sure we both hope you are not, but I'm coming up on the 20 year anniversary of MMORPGs being my main entertainment form and, as you say, it has happened before.

What gives me hope that it will not is that they have created what I consider the best possible revenue model I've ever seen in an online game, at least prior to these Lucky Bags. I just don't think they are willing to destroy that (this of course assumes that they are making a nice profit already, an assumption I would bet on as being accurate but who knows?).

There is another guiding force behind my minority-opinions in this thread though: I believe that people are inherently good.

This presumption extends to everyone till I'm shown otherwise. This includes the people with whom I vigorously disagree on the subject matter at hand in this thread as well as the forces at ZOS responsible for the game and content. And ESO is a truly remarkable game in addition to that: a classic in its current form and I only see it getting better.

So for the current mechanics with the Crown Crates to remain unchanged goes against three things I believe to be true:

1) The employees at ZOS do not wish to make a substantial section of their customers unhappy.

2) ZOS has a vested interest in TESO being the best possible MMO it can be.

3) Positive word of mouth about the game is strongly desired.

The Crown Crates, as are, violates all three of these beliefs:

A) Players will become unhappy when they spend a lot of money in an attempt to get the 'Unique Cosmetics' and instead only have 'trash loot' (no offense intended) to show for their expenditures.

B ) The current mechanics for the Crown Crates are suboptimal both in terms of the fun factor as well as revenue generation.

C) Unhappy customers will no doubt make their discontent known elsewhere.

Because it is not logical that ZOS wishes for A.B and C to occur they will take steps to prevent them.

For now that is my position. But again, I certainly could be wrong. Only time will tell.

justinbarrett

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

probably already stated, but random boxes teases the idea of getting something you want, while most players will not...this is in my opinion a type of bait and hook to get more money from the players without actually giving them any real reward...like in neverwinter...or GW2 I can see those boxes dropping all the time, I tend to throw them out...the way I understand it the boxes will be purchased and not a drop....
I also find cosmetic items useless, aside from dyes, another dumb move from zos...the dyes you can buy are for cosmetic items only...dyes have zero effect on gameplay...you wanna make more money...sell dyes for all equipment...you wont hear me bitching about it, it would not give the player with a bunch of dyes any edge over anyone else.
one more thing that is viable in neverwinter is selling your zen(think crowns)for in game currency...I could see how gold sellers etc can take advantage of this, but in neverwinter it does not seem to be much of a problem...maybe zos can take some ques from cryptic/perfect world entertainment. although I am an eso plus player...I still play neverwinter a lot. The only reason I do not leave eso is that neverwinter is less open world than eso.

AnthragonVangor

No, don't ever add these into the game.

justinbarrett wrote: »

probably already stated, but random boxes teases the idea of getting something you want, while most players will not...this is in my opinion a type of bait and hook to get more money from the players without actually giving them any real reward...like in neverwinter...or GW2 I can see those boxes dropping all the time, I tend to throw them out...the way I understand it the boxes will be purchased and not a drop....
I also find cosmetic items useless, aside from dyes, another dumb move from zos...the dyes you can buy are for cosmetic items only...dyes have zero effect on gameplay...you wanna make more money...sell dyes for all equipment...you wont hear me bitching about it, it would not give the player with a bunch of dyes any edge over anyone else.
one more thing that is viable in neverwinter is selling your zen(think crowns)for in game currency...I could see how gold sellers etc can take advantage of this, but in neverwinter it does not seem to be much of a problem...maybe zos can take some ques from cryptic/perfect world entertainment. although I am an eso plus player...I still play neverwinter a lot. The only reason I do not leave eso is that neverwinter is less open world than eso.

Wow, I tried Neverwinter and make more than five steps away from it BECAUSE of that "zen" currency. I even argumented to people that I was glad TESO doesn't have something like that and BOOM after a few weeks we are talking aboult similar mechanics in the official TESO forums.

Well and because the whole game Neverwinter looks terrible and plays terrible. Can't count how many times I've been informed to visit their "zen shop" or however they call it. You know why it seems to work for Neverwinter? My guess is because it is free to play even on Playstation 4 now. TESO isn't F2P.

JKorr

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Slurg wrote: »

Whether this is another step in P2W or not is debatable all day long and is not going to be resolved until we see the next step. I can remain open minded about that as long as the game is still fun for me.

Bottom line for me is, while I may alternately pity or judge the hell out of people for their financial choices, I don't care deeply about how they spend their money. I care about how I spend MY money. Before this change, I could purchase the cosmetics and mounts I wanted at a fixed cost. With these boxes ZOS is telling me if I want certain cosmetic items that are exclusive to the box, I will have to gamble for a chance at them, and quite possibly end up with a lot of other things I didn't want in order to accumulate enough "crown gems" to get what I want.

If you want to gamble real money for cosmetic items, go right ahead. But I won't be. This change makes the game a little bit less fun for me.

Agreed. They would have continued to get my sub, and I would have purchased items that I wanted/ wanted but missed, if they would have allowed me to outright buy it. If I wanted that mount I missed, I'd be willing to pay more than it originally cost, as long as I knew the price. My decision would be if the price was worth it to me. Now my sub is gone as of the 15th, and I'm not planning on buying anything. If they release dlc that I'm interested in at some point, I'll buy the crowns and buy it. I won't gamble for any of it, being guaranteed to get tons of consumables that I don't buy and won't use instead of the items that I do want.

Peekachu99

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

These games have enough RNG. Why add more?

MornaBaine

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Mercutio wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

The problem with this system is the items you likely would want to buy from now on are going to end up in these boxes and not on the store leaving nothing else worthwhile to spend crowns on, and at $4 an attempt. People will buy into this and it will make tons of money. When you can make money really easy, this is what's going to be focused on at the expense of other aspects of the game. I have seen it happen before. unfortunately it's likely to happen here.

You very well could be right. I'm sure we both hope you are not, but I'm coming up on the 20 year anniversary of MMORPGs being my main entertainment form and, as you say, it has happened before.

What gives me hope that it will not is that they have created what I consider the best possible revenue model I've ever seen in an online game, at least prior to these Lucky Bags. I just don't think they are willing to destroy that (this of course assumes that they are making a nice profit already, an assumption I would bet on as being accurate but who knows?).

There is another guiding force behind my minority-opinions in this thread though: I believe that people are inherently good.

This presumption extends to everyone till I'm shown otherwise. This includes the people with whom I vigorously disagree on the subject matter at hand in this thread as well as the forces at ZOS responsible for the game and content. And ESO is a truly remarkable game in addition to that: a classic in its current form and I only see it getting better.

So for the current mechanics with the Crown Crates to remain unchanged goes against three things I believe to be true:

1) The employees at ZOS do not wish to make a substantial section of their customers unhappy.

2) ZOS has a vested interest in TESO being the best possible MMO it can be.

3) Positive word of mouth about the game is strongly desired.

The Crown Crates, as are, violates all three of these beliefs:

A) Players will become unhappy when they spend a lot of money in an attempt to get the 'Unique Cosmetics' and instead only have 'trash loot' (no offense intended) to show for their expenditures.

B ) The current mechanics for the Crown Crates are suboptimal both in terms of the fun factor as well as revenue generation.

C) Unhappy customers will no doubt make their discontent known elsewhere.

Because it is not logical that ZOS wishes for A.B and C to occur they will take steps to prevent them.

For now that is my position. But again, I certainly could be wrong. Only time will tell.

As much as I HOPE you are right my outlook is far more grim. I do not see them changing anything about this decision now that "the suits" have decided it's the way to go. How refreshing it would be if a gaming company actually looked to their CUSTOMERS and listened to their requests but those days are gone I fear. Someone, somewhere, has "done the math" and decided this is what will make shareholders happy and that is the only demographic companies consider anymore, not the actual users of their product. We see this behavior in every aspect of global business so it would be naive to think it's not going to happen in gaming.

EQBallzz

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Wow. Just wow. So glad I left this game months ago. Some of us warned about this shift away from the sub model and people said oh no..this will be fine. Some of us warned that adding a cash shop was just a slippery slope to garbage games like Neverwinter and warned that if they would change such integral parts of the game they couldn't be trusted but people said oh no that won't happen here! It will be fine!

Now look. RNG boxes just like NW. This is disgusting. To think about the ZOS "vision" from the time of beta/release and compare that to what this game is now..just disgusting. What a disgrace to the ES franchise. This coming from a previous ESO fanboy. I stuck by this game through a lot of criticism because I believed in their "vision" but they violated the trust of all those people like me who stood by them and paid monthly subs for the entire time. What a disgrace.

Doesn't even matter if the items are P2W or cosmetic. This type of "gameplay" is predatory and aside from that is not fun or even a game. Just like slot machines are not a game. What's next? New MMO slot machine? Sad, sad state this genre is in. If you can't fund the game without taking advantage of people's impulsive behavior maybe just shut the game down. I don't get why people even want to play a game where you get items (even cosmetic) from a random box instead of from gameplay. Just boggles the mind.

FireCowCommando

No, don't ever add these into the game.

EQBallzz wrote: »

Wow. Just wow. So glad I left this game months ago. Some of us warned about this shift away from the sub model and people said oh no..this will be fine. Some of us warned that adding a cash shop was just a slippery slope to garbage games like Neverwinter and warned that if they would change such integral parts of the game they couldn't be trusted but people said oh no that won't happen here! It will be fine!

Now look. RNG boxes just like NW. This is disgusting. To think about the ZOS "vision" from the time of beta/release and compare that to what this game is now..just disgusting. What a disgrace to the ES franchise. This coming from a previous ESO fanboy. I stuck by this game through a lot of criticism because I believed in their "vision" but they violated the trust of all those people like me who stood by them and paid monthly subs for the entire time. What a disgrace.

Doesn't even matter if the items are P2W or cosmetic. This type of "gameplay" is predatory and aside from that is not fun or even a game. Just like slot machines are not a game. What's next? New MMO slot machine? Sad, sad state this genre is in. If you can't fund the game without taking advantage of people's impulsive behavior maybe just shut the game down. I don't get why people even want to play a game where you get items (even cosmetic) from a random box instead of from gameplay. Just boggles the mind.

I don't think any of what we have seen is a departure from their original business plan, some of the first items to be on the crown store were data mined day 1 of PC release, never to be seen until its implementation.

jcasini222ub17_ESO

I echo the sentiments of some of the long term players here. @RinaldoGandolphi , @RazielSR, @Slurg and @EQBallzz all of you I loved reading your posts when I was here. This thread delivered again.

I've been playing swtor for a several months now,returning sub for them, I do bring up eso from time to time. Universally the players that respond talk about speed nerfs, unfortunate RNG, lag, skill changes. Most of these players clamor for the year 1 combat, the blinding speed of combat, how different it was from other games on the market.

When I first loaded up swtor again I was shocked to feel only marginally slower than ESO. When I first jump from swtor into ESO betas my mind was blown by how fast the game. It isn't that much different now.

Nobody has brought up the crown store, those offerings, or anything related to the cstore. I always got the feeling the players I talked to would jump back to ESO as subs (just like me) if the speed nerfs were undone and combat resembled year 1 more so than how today's skills function.

ESO doesn't have a questionnaire when you drop sub. They may feel people just got bored so whatever, but maybe they should. I've been amazed at the amount of people I've met who left (who were subs) that cite speed/skills/lag/rng. It's been eye opening.

As of right now I have no intention of returning, not that any would actually care, boxes or no boxes. I'm having a blast in swtor right now, but I do pop into check to see how PC bwb DC is doing Krogmak gro-Uzmoktul does miss his compatriots.

EQBallzz

No, don't ever add these into the game.

FireCowCommando wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

Wow. Just wow. So glad I left this game months ago. Some of us warned about this shift away from the sub model and people said oh no..this will be fine. Some of us warned that adding a cash shop was just a slippery slope to garbage games like Neverwinter and warned that if they would change such integral parts of the game they couldn't be trusted but people said oh no that won't happen here! It will be fine!

Now look. RNG boxes just like NW. This is disgusting. To think about the ZOS "vision" from the time of beta/release and compare that to what this game is now..just disgusting. What a disgrace to the ES franchise. This coming from a previous ESO fanboy. I stuck by this game through a lot of criticism because I believed in their "vision" but they violated the trust of all those people like me who stood by them and paid monthly subs for the entire time. What a disgrace.

Doesn't even matter if the items are P2W or cosmetic. This type of "gameplay" is predatory and aside from that is not fun or even a game. Just like slot machines are not a game. What's next? New MMO slot machine? Sad, sad state this genre is in. If you can't fund the game without taking advantage of people's impulsive behavior maybe just shut the game down. I don't get why people even want to play a game where you get items (even cosmetic) from a random box instead of from gameplay. Just boggles the mind.

I don't think any of what we have seen is a departure from their original business plan, some of the first items to be on the crown store were data mined day 1 of PC release, never to be seen until its implementation.

I think the insinuation that you are making is that the roll-out of the cash shop and all these changes were part of the plan all along which would mean they have been bald-face lying all along. Back around release I would have argued with you on that point because I was gullible enough to believe what they said about subs being the only model that would work for the game and they thought cash shops had no place in ESO.

Today, however I have no such illusions and wouldn't argue the point so you are possibly correct. They may have been lying all along but that doesn't make it any better..it only makes it worse.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Mercutio wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

The problem with this system is the items you likely would want to buy from now on are going to end up in these boxes and not on the store leaving nothing else worthwhile to spend crowns on, and at $4 an attempt. People will buy into this and it will make tons of money. When you can make money really easy, this is what's going to be focused on at the expense of other aspects of the game. I have seen it happen before. unfortunately it's likely to happen here.

You very well could be right. I'm sure we both hope you are not, but I'm coming up on the 20 year anniversary of MMORPGs being my main entertainment form and, as you say, it has happened before.

What gives me hope that it will not is that they have created what I consider the best possible revenue model I've ever seen in an online game, at least prior to these Lucky Bags. I just don't think they are willing to destroy that (this of course assumes that they are making a nice profit already, an assumption I would bet on as being accurate but who knows?).

There is another guiding force behind my minority-opinions in this thread though: I believe that people are inherently good.

This presumption extends to everyone till I'm shown otherwise. This includes the people with whom I vigorously disagree on the subject matter at hand in this thread as well as the forces at ZOS responsible for the game and content. And ESO is a truly remarkable game in addition to that: a classic in its current form and I only see it getting better.

So for the current mechanics with the Crown Crates to remain unchanged goes against three things I believe to be true:

1) The employees at ZOS do not wish to make a substantial section of their customers unhappy.

2) ZOS has a vested interest in TESO being the best possible MMO it can be.

3) Positive word of mouth about the game is strongly desired.

The Crown Crates, as are, violates all three of these beliefs:

A) Players will become unhappy when they spend a lot of money in an attempt to get the 'Unique Cosmetics' and instead only have 'trash loot' (no offense intended) to show for their expenditures.

B ) The current mechanics for the Crown Crates are suboptimal both in terms of the fun factor as well as revenue generation.

C) Unhappy customers will no doubt make their discontent known elsewhere.

Because it is not logical that ZOS wishes for A.B and C to occur they will take steps to prevent them.

For now that is my position. But again, I certainly could be wrong. Only time will tell.

Good read, but you fail to take into account one thing. They are very reluctant to make changes to plans already announced. ZOS does not easily admit they are wrong (if they even see it as "wrong"), and that is ultimately what you are asking them to do. ZOS is like the parent to the player children, and they know best.

At least, that is how it appears from here. Internally, who know what actually happens. We do not know what sort of internal "politics" causes decisions to be made, and defended against all.

For all we know, the Crown Crate, as it is being rolled out, is the "optimal plan" and that, should they change it to accede to the players, the replacement will be worse.

On the other hand, this could be a "pet project" and they are unable to let go of it. Maybe they will modify it, like they did with the Potency Runes.

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

2/3 of the voters in this thread don't want these. ZOS releases article saying that they don't care about our opinion. We are being ignored and are getting these regardless. If this thread doesn't change their minds, then it seems they are going forward betting their future on new players and people who play very casually.

EQBallzz

No, don't ever add these into the game.

JimT722 wrote: »

2/3 of the voters in this thread don't want these. ZOS releases article saying that they don't care about our opinion. We are being ignored and are getting these regardless. If this thread doesn't change their minds, then it seems they are going forward betting their future on new players and people who play very casually.

Every person I knew when I was playing quit long ago. The changes that have transpired in this game indicates they don't care about the type of player they claimed the game was for in the beginning. They have now shifted to a new gamer demographic that only wants to click the button for their loot pellet reward even if they get shocked 99 times out of 100. Pay money. Click button. Get loot. Now *that's* some awesome gaming! /sarcasm

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

EQBallzz wrote: »

Pay money. Click button. Get loot. Now *that's* some awesome gaming! /sarcasm

Las Vegas is built upon that concept

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

Pay money. Click button. Get loot. Now *that's* some awesome gaming! /sarcasm

Las Vegas is built upon that concept

And if I wanted Vegas, I'd go to bloody Vegas.

jade0black

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Loot boxes are predatory, unfair, cruel and dependent on slowly boiling customers to accept grosser and grosser business practices. Every game that has implemented them has gone through a decline not only in quality, but in the ethics of their business.

I have no interest in being a continuing customer to a group that would rather cheat and swindle people than give them what they paid for. If I wanted to spend money on digital gambling, I'd see a clinical psychologist about the obvious mental issues it'd require for me to desire it.

EQBallzz

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

Pay money. Click button. Get loot. Now *that's* some awesome gaming! /sarcasm

Las Vegas is built upon that concept

Right. Exactly my point. Except that this isn't Vegas. There are strong parallels to this type of gaming and addictive type behaviors (like gambling) and it's shameful for any gaming company to accept this type of business practice for a buck. Apparently, gaming companies have sold their souls to the devil to make a couple extra bucks *at any cost*.

Mercutio

JimT722 wrote: »

2/3 of the voters in this thread don't want these. ZOS releases article saying that they don't care about our opinion. We are being ignored and are getting these regardless. If this thread doesn't change their minds, then it seems they are going forward betting their future on new players and people who play very casually.

We all know that most players don't visit the forums, but if they could somehow poll players on log in (some game I played years ago did that, can't recall which), I think it would be discovered that even more than 2/3rds don't want this implemented in this fashion. Of course that is pure conjecture on my part.

I certainly don't want them put in in the current form. But then I wonder...

Perhaps this is an age issue? I'm in my mid 40's and I suspect that a sizeable portion of Forum Participants are closer to my age than not. I think of my young, pre-teen children and their love of "blind bags" - which is basically the same thing we are discussing here I think for the most part. I don't get it, but perhaps the demographics for TESO skew younger and this is something they would actually appreciate?

Are we indeed speaking for the majority, or is that tunnel vision on our part? Because if the majority of players did want this, then that changes my mindset (not that I intend on ever buying them myself, but I'm just one schlub in a sea of consumers).

I'm holding off on voting because I am hopeful that this will be revised, but as is I think it not just a mistake, but one that might prove to be costly because of the hit to the current player loyalty zeitgeist that I believe TESO to have earned through their, till now, stellar monetization formula.

OR

However unlikely, if it was made known that TESO is not the financial success I believe it to be, that Lucky Bags are needed , I would again be more sympathetic despite believing there are far better ways to bring in additional revenue.

Regardless, even if we are just a subset of a subset, we're obviously very passionate about the issue and I hope Matt Firor or someone else who serves in an official capacity will expound further on this subject. After all, both Dev and Player alike have a shared goal: to keep TESO the great game it is.

The_Undefined

No, don't ever add these into the game.

FireCowCommando wrote: »

The_Undefined wrote: »

The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."

Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.

Would you mind posting a link? The only article I saw was the one where they officially announced the lockboxes. The only thing I got out of that one were just vague the details of what they're doing.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

The_Undefined wrote: »

FireCowCommando wrote: »

The_Undefined wrote: »

The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."

Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.

Would you mind posting a link? The only article I saw was the one where they officially announced the lockboxes. The only thing I got out of that one were just vague the details of what they're doing.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/11112/Elder-Scrolls-Online-All-About-the-Crown-Crates-Coming-in-One-Tamriel.html

MMORPG: How can you alleviate the concerns that players have expressed?

MF: I think the most common concern is that this is a slippery slope that will lead to monetization chaos and pay-to-win. However, since almost all of the items in Crown Crates are already in the Crown Store to begin with (with the exception of the unique mounts and customization items), that is a baseless fear. Our #1 mantra for virtual currency monetization is “do no harm” – meaning, don’t rock the boat by introducing items into the game that directly influence player power. This is a core design philosophy for the game, and we are not changing it by introducing Crown Crates.

I think it is worth noting that much of this same commentary was expressed when we initially announced the Crown Store back in 2015 – slippery slope, pay-to-win, etc. – there was lots of fear then that was alleviated once players got a chance to see it and try it out for themselves.

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Over-reacting.

More like the suit that mandated this buisness model thinks the players who dont want to be milked for all their worth are over-reacting. What happened to the customer is allways right? Oh right. That principle was beaten to death behind the woodshed when buisnesses figured out they could make more short term income from underhanded practice.

When update 11 and 12 come and go, and I see the quality of the paid content, which will likely be Vardenfell, then I will breathe easy.

The_Undefined

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

The_Undefined wrote: »

FireCowCommando wrote: »

The_Undefined wrote: »

The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."

Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.

Would you mind posting a link? The only article I saw was the one where they officially announced the lockboxes. The only thing I got out of that one were just vague the details of what they're doing.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/11112/Elder-Scrolls-Online-All-About-the-Crown-Crates-Coming-in-One-Tamriel.html

MMORPG: How can you alleviate the concerns that players have expressed?

MF: I think the most common concern is that this is a slippery slope that will lead to monetization chaos and pay-to-win. However, since almost all of the items in Crown Crates are already in the Crown Store to begin with (with the exception of the unique mounts and customization items), that is a baseless fear. Our #1 mantra for virtual currency monetization is “do no harm” – meaning, don’t rock the boat by introducing items into the game that directly influence player power. This is a core design philosophy for the game, and we are not changing it by introducing Crown Crates.

I think it is worth noting that much of this same commentary was expressed when we initially announced the Crown Store back in 2015 – slippery slope, pay-to-win, etc. – there was lots of fear then that was alleviated once players got a chance to see it and try it out for themselves.

That quote to me is absolutely crazy. How can their number 1 mantra be do no harm, don't add items that directly influence player power by putting in gambling for EXCLUSIVE ITEMS? I seriously can't understand how they can say that in the same sentence. THE WHOLE POINT OF GAMBLING BOXES IS TO TAKE POWER FROM THE CUSTOMER!! Gambling is a scam people! Get the most out of the majority, give as little to the minority (winners). It doesn't matter how I'll see it / try it out for myself, if it works the way they say and they implement EXCLUSIVE ITEMS behind a GAMBLING WALL then it absolutely directly influences my power as the player to 1 make an informed decision as a customer and 2 to merely give me a CHANCE at an item I want.

[EDIT]Also, how do players still have power when they're forced, those who choose to gamble on these boxes, accept their loss of power as a customer in putting their money directly on what they want, to pay for previous cash shop items that they were EMPOWERED to vote against by WITHHOLDING their money? That vote with your dollar is completely out the window. You didn't like that costume? Well guess what, you gotta take it anyway b/c the only items that will be turned into crown gems are DUPLICATES.

What is going on? Am I taking crazy pills?

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

The_Undefined wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

The_Undefined wrote: »

FireCowCommando wrote: »

The_Undefined wrote: »

The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."

Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.

Would you mind posting a link? The only article I saw was the one where they officially announced the lockboxes. The only thing I got out of that one were just vague the details of what they're doing.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/11112/Elder-Scrolls-Online-All-About-the-Crown-Crates-Coming-in-One-Tamriel.html

MMORPG: How can you alleviate the concerns that players have expressed?

MF: I think the most common concern is that this is a slippery slope that will lead to monetization chaos and pay-to-win. However, since almost all of the items in Crown Crates are already in the Crown Store to begin with (with the exception of the unique mounts and customization items), that is a baseless fear. Our #1 mantra for virtual currency monetization is “do no harm” – meaning, don’t rock the boat by introducing items into the game that directly influence player power. This is a core design philosophy for the game, and we are not changing it by introducing Crown Crates.

I think it is worth noting that much of this same commentary was expressed when we initially announced the Crown Store back in 2015 – slippery slope, pay-to-win, etc. – there was lots of fear then that was alleviated once players got a chance to see it and try it out for themselves.

That quote to me is absolutely crazy. How can their number 1 mantra be do no harm, don't add items that directly influence player power by putting in gambling for EXCLUSIVE ITEMS? I seriously can't understand how they can say that in the same sentence. THE WHOLE POINT OF GAMBLING BOXES IS TO TAKE POWER FROM THE CUSTOMER!! Gambling is a scam people! Get the most out of the majority, give as little to the minority (winners). It doesn't matter how I'll see it / try it out for myself, if it works the way they say and they implement EXCLUSIVE ITEMS behind a GAMBLING WALL then it absolutely directly influences my power as the player to 1 make an informed decision as a customer and 2 to merely give me a CHANCE at an item I want.

[EDIT]Also, how is forcing players who choose to gamble on these boxes, accept their loss of power as a customer in putting their money directly on what they want, to pay for previous cash shop items that they were EMPOWERED to vote against by WITHHOLDING their money? That vote with your dollar is completely out the window. You didn't like that costume? Well guess what, you gotta take it anyway b/c the only items that will be turned into crown gems are DUPLICATES.

What is going on? Am I taking crazy pills?

Nope. Matt is just speaking for a suit who is desperately trying to save the potential money he reeeally wants to make.

MornaBaine

No, don't ever add these into the game.

The_Undefined wrote: »

FireCowCommando wrote: »

The_Undefined wrote: »

The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."

Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.

Would you mind posting a link? The only article I saw was the one where they officially announced the lockboxes. The only thing I got out of that one were just vague the details of what they're doing.

I would very much like to see this as well. Maybe @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_MattFiror can link us or even explain to us here why we're all wrong?

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MornaBaine wrote: »

The_Undefined wrote: »

FireCowCommando wrote: »

The_Undefined wrote: »

The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."

Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.

Would you mind posting a link? The only article I saw was the one where they officially announced the lockboxes. The only thing I got out of that one were just vague the details of what they're doing.

I would very much like to see this as well. Maybe @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_MattFiror can link us or even explain to us here why we're all wrong?

The link has allready been posted and quoted. Scroll up.

...Though I do love the fact we actively have to look for any communication with Zenimax where this is concerned. Thaaaat's a nice touch Matt.

MornaBaine

No, don't ever add these into the game.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/286094/what-do-you-think-of-crown-store-random-boxes-lottery-box#latest

So after reading the article it STILL seems to me that there will be costumes, hairstyles, adornments and probbaly things like tats, scars and makeup that will ONLY be available via these RNG boxes. THAT is what I, and most everyone else, objects to. The excuse that if you get something yu already have you'll get special "gems" you can trade doesn't help those of us who are NOT "gotta catch them all" junkies and have passed on many costumes due to either poor quality or simply no interest in having that particular costume. So RNG boxes will almost never help me to obtain the things I actually want.

Bottom line: Make EVERYTING available in the crown store individually at regular price. Then sure, go ahead and also throw it in the RNG boxes for those who want to gamble on a deal or just like the crown store consumables. That's what we want @ZOS_MattFiror . Please explain to us why we can't have it.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Nope. Matt is just speaking for a suit who is desperately trying to save the potential money he reeeally wants to make.

Despite how Firor dresses, he is a suit. Just want to be clear on this.

He seems to wear a number of hats at ZOS. He is the President of ZeniMax Online Studios, as well as the Game Director for Elder Scrolls Online.

Ultimately, the Crown Crates are in the game because he signed off on the idea.

The_Undefined

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I still can't wrap my head around his quote though. I wasn't around for when players protested about the things he commented on. I actually think their system is the best system in place aside from the 15yr old system of just buying the game and getting all of its content. The fact your sub gives you full access to DLC's and the EQUIVALENT value in crowns, plus all the perks that goes along with ESO+ is absolutely amazing to me. I honestly think all games should go that route that are MMOs instead of players spending 60$+ on DLCs every 2 years or so plus a sub and cash shop.

Still, I can never understand how blocking a customer's decision over something they want behind a gamble is at all fair.