What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

JamilaRaj wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Dromede wrote: »

Another thing that hit me today: how much money do they want from me (figuratevely) as a customer? I pay sub (6 month lapse) , i normally buy about 3 largest crown packs within the same amont of time, so i spend just under $200 every 6 months, about $400 yearly.

This is a pretty crazy sum of money. This game costs me the same as all my entertainment related memberships (hulu, netflix, etc) altogether. How much more am i expected to pay? I don't think that this game has too many people that don't spend anything (0, to be precise, since there's also one-time box cost involved).

Needless to say, i do not hesitate to buy things i want from crown store whenever they are offered. Now i will need to gamble and spend more money to be able to buy/randomly get the same thing i could buy at my own will, and probably spend more crowns/money while at it.

This is confusing. I like supporting this game, but i'd like to do it without going broke.

Yeah, the irony is, if they were offering these new mounts at 40 a piece, like the Dro'm'athra mount, they'd probably get substantially more money out of me as I chased the ones I want. But, with this approach? I'll pass.

Exactly. I would gladly spend money for a cosmetic I like, and I do. With this approach, the crown store updates each month for the rng boxes would have to include much more appealing stuff then the other store offerings otherwise no one will buy them. This is going to kill their sales for the average consumer. They are trying to target the big spenders willing to pay hundreds a month. They should show a little integrity and continue with transparent business practices.

The most messed-up thing is that even the ones willing to pay hundreds a month won't be guaranteed to get The Cool Thing. They are somewhat more likely to get it, but it's no guarantee, which is the problem with all pure RNG systems, most especially ones that cost real money.

ZOS can already milk people willing to pay hundreds or any arbitrary sum. This new measure will help milk people generally unwilling to pay hundreds, sometimes not even $4, but that can be tricked into paying that and much more.
If ZOS rolled out a scambox, guarantee the epic X is inside (at which point it would stop being a scambox, or at least of this particular kind) and asked for $400, nobody but a whale or two would buy it.
But if ZOS rolls out a scambox, says the epic X may be inside (and makes sure there are nice pictures of X everywhere on it) and puts $4 price tag on it, gullible players will conclude X = $4 and buy it, including those who would normally not buy a $4 thing, because they will be offered X, that would otherwise cost, say, $40, for mere $4, and that is bloody good deal, isn't it? If there is nothing in a scambox, they will buy another, because $40 X for $8 is almost as good, and so on.

Though as I wrote earlier, ZOS is doing it in rather clever way, so deceptive prices are not deceptive and gambling is not gambling.

They are a SCAM full stop!!! Its to decieve players in to spending more money with the hope of getting something worth while even if that mount or costume isnt something they want ... WHICH IS WRONG AND DISGUSTING BUSSINESS PRACTICE.. specially now when they have a system that is fair BUY or DONT BUY what you want at a price!!! There taking away ppls choice to buy what they want not what there STUPID RNG counter says you can have!! all to make more money off there customers!! theres a huge differance to me paying 2500 crowns for a specific mount instead of 10000-100000 for crap that i dont particularly want!! Really think the drop rate is going to be in your favor EVER!!!

Yeah, but always look on the bright side. Matt will at least have some cool stories to tell to his grandkids one day, about the good old times when he and his posse of ruthless P2W experts roamed the net a scammed left and right. And the kids would sit and listen with awe.

MAYBE if we are lucky very few ppl throw money at this digusting idea and theres very little money made and the real players behind him sacks his arse for failing at trying to rip ppl off for even more and more money.. in general ppl will pay money if its fair and get a decent item etc for a decent cost trying to scam ppl or ripping ppl off loses fans not makes them .. at what even 80 something pages either way it goes while im happy to see its leaning towards against theres a divide there and a lot of the community will not buy these so theres a loss for the goal to make money and how long will the ppl that are going to throw money at this last when they spend so much to get little out come.. because its really stupid to think this isnt geared for a ZOS WIN and customer loss!!

Easily_Lost

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Tandor wrote: »

These are going to be optional, you know. Anyone would think we're being coerced into giving our life savings away in the delusional hope that we might pick up some worthless trinket at the end of the day.

Note that I'm not saying I'd choose to have these boxes in the game, any more than I'd choose to have the Crown Store in it either, but while the first part of the topic was rationally and relatively calmly debated it has descended into way over-the-top and rather silly arguments that don't help to make the strong case against having these boxes in the game. Nor is the critics' case strengthened by the lobbing of petty insults at individual developers who can't realistically use this forum to defend themselves. They just get their words twisted and turned and thrown back at them in some cases months or even years down the line - and people wonder why the developers don't bother to post here!

There was a decent argument to be made against the boxes and that argument peaked a good few pages ago, most of what's been added since is just chipping away at the strength of that argument. I personally think this topic has run its course. If the developers have been following it then they'll have got the message a while back.

This, and also the name calling of players that will buy some of Crown Crates.

Bottom line: No one will be forcing anyone one to buy the Crown Crates. If you don't want them then don't buy them.

I have said before: To those that will leave the game over this, LEAVE. If this one thing makes you want to leave, then you have not been happy with this game in a long time.

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

hagermanj wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

These are going to be optional, you know. Anyone would think we're being coerced into giving our life savings away in the delusional hope that we might pick up some worthless trinket at the end of the day.

Note that I'm not saying I'd choose to have these boxes in the game, any more than I'd choose to have the Crown Store in it either, but while the first part of the topic was rationally and relatively calmly debated it has descended into way over-the-top and rather silly arguments that don't help to make the strong case against having these boxes in the game. Nor is the critics' case strengthened by the lobbing of petty insults at individual developers who can't realistically use this forum to defend themselves. They just get their words twisted and turned and thrown back at them in some cases months or even years down the line - and people wonder why the developers don't bother to post here!

There was a decent argument to be made against the boxes and that argument peaked a good few pages ago, most of what's been added since is just chipping away at the strength of that argument. I personally think this topic has run its course. If the developers have been following it then they'll have got the message a while back.

This, and also the name calling of players that will buy some of Crown Crates.

Bottom line: No one will be forcing anyone one to buy the Crown Crates. If you don't want them then don't buy them.

I have said before: To those that will leave the game over this, LEAVE. If this one thing makes you want to leave, then you have not been happy with this game in a long time.

and ive said this before ill look for your thread crying about how much you blew to get f.ck all...

Easily_Lost

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

I don't plan on buying any. But if people want to buy some that's there money that they are spending. I don't like PVP, but I will not tell ZOS not to add more PVP to the game. It is there game and there call.

MornaBaine

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Well, I am so happy they are returning the mind shriven skin, I am so not going to go to a gamble box to get it.
I have wanted it, also the horse looks nice, would like to possibly get the zombie horse. But I am also hoping they release The Cyrod Gentry gown into the crownstore soon.

The fact that they have NOT released so many of the costumes they have finished to the crown store is what makes me believe they are going to only be available in these gambling boxes. Until they tell us otherwise and start making them available I have no reason to believe otherwise.

Armitas

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

If they have crown store keys to said lock boxes then I want no part of this. Been there done that nonsense in Lotro.

jeevin

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Tandor wrote: »

These are going to be optional, you know. Anyone would think we're being coerced into giving our life savings away in the delusional hope that we might pick up some worthless trinket at the end of the day.

Note that I'm not saying I'd choose to have these boxes in the game, any more than I'd choose to have the Crown Store in it either, but while the first part of the topic was rationally and relatively calmly debated it has descended into way over-the-top and rather silly arguments that don't help to make the strong case against having these boxes in the game. Nor is the critics' case strengthened by the lobbing of petty insults at individual developers who can't realistically use this forum to defend themselves. They just get their words twisted and turned and thrown back at them in some cases months or even years down the line - and people wonder why the developers don't bother to post here!

There was a decent argument to be made against the boxes and that argument peaked a good few pages ago, most of what's been added since is just chipping away at the strength of that argument. I personally think this topic has run its course. If the developers have been following it then they'll have got the message a while back.

The devs haven't got the message until they remove the unique items from the rng boxes. It's attempting to exploit people, plain and simple. For shame.

clayandaudrey_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

To the optional crowd,

When these things start selling well, and they will, the only option will be the crown crates for content because the better they sell the more development time and money will be sunk into them leaving new content lacking.

But I am sure you will enjoy your one hour worth of content every three months for 3500 crowns.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

jeevin wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

These are going to be optional, you know. Anyone would think we're being coerced into giving our life savings away in the delusional hope that we might pick up some worthless trinket at the end of the day.

Note that I'm not saying I'd choose to have these boxes in the game, any more than I'd choose to have the Crown Store in it either, but while the first part of the topic was rationally and relatively calmly debated it has descended into way over-the-top and rather silly arguments that don't help to make the strong case against having these boxes in the game. Nor is the critics' case strengthened by the lobbing of petty insults at individual developers who can't realistically use this forum to defend themselves. They just get their words twisted and turned and thrown back at them in some cases months or even years down the line - and people wonder why the developers don't bother to post here!

There was a decent argument to be made against the boxes and that argument peaked a good few pages ago, most of what's been added since is just chipping away at the strength of that argument. I personally think this topic has run its course. If the developers have been following it then they'll have got the message a while back.

The devs haven't got the message until they remove the unique items from the rng boxes. It's attempting to exploit people, plain and simple. For shame.

isn't all business an attempt to 'exploit' people?

and if you fear you would be 'exploited' your recourse is simple..... don't buy them.

Tandor

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

jeevin wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

These are going to be optional, you know. Anyone would think we're being coerced into giving our life savings away in the delusional hope that we might pick up some worthless trinket at the end of the day.

Note that I'm not saying I'd choose to have these boxes in the game, any more than I'd choose to have the Crown Store in it either, but while the first part of the topic was rationally and relatively calmly debated it has descended into way over-the-top and rather silly arguments that don't help to make the strong case against having these boxes in the game. Nor is the critics' case strengthened by the lobbing of petty insults at individual developers who can't realistically use this forum to defend themselves. They just get their words twisted and turned and thrown back at them in some cases months or even years down the line - and people wonder why the developers don't bother to post here!

There was a decent argument to be made against the boxes and that argument peaked a good few pages ago, most of what's been added since is just chipping away at the strength of that argument. I personally think this topic has run its course. If the developers have been following it then they'll have got the message a while back.

The devs haven't got the message until they remove the unique items from the rng boxes. It's attempting to exploit people, plain and simple. For shame.

After 86 pages they've got the message. All that more pages of what has now become over-the-top arguments and personal insults will do is force them into a position where they feel they have to dig in and maintain their position rather than lose face. The arguments have been made, now let them weigh the situation up and come up with a response. Driving them further into a corner won't achieve anything.

wolfxspice

No, don't ever add these into the game.

i'm on xbox, i saw a dwarven sphere pet for the first time a few days ago, i asked a friend about it, she came over from pc, she told me that you got that for subbing to eso for the first 6 months, immediately she says a few of her friends left the game as soon as the engine guardian monster set came out, she told me that they felt like the devs didn't appreciate the time they gave to it.

i'm sure that pet will be in that box.

Tandor

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

These are going to be optional, you know. Anyone would think we're being coerced into giving our life savings away in the delusional hope that we might pick up some worthless trinket at the end of the day.

Note that I'm not saying I'd choose to have these boxes in the game, any more than I'd choose to have the Crown Store in it either, but while the first part of the topic was rationally and relatively calmly debated it has descended into way over-the-top and rather silly arguments that don't help to make the strong case against having these boxes in the game. Nor is the critics' case strengthened by the lobbing of petty insults at individual developers who can't realistically use this forum to defend themselves. They just get their words twisted and turned and thrown back at them in some cases months or even years down the line - and people wonder why the developers don't bother to post here!

There was a decent argument to be made against the boxes and that argument peaked a good few pages ago, most of what's been added since is just chipping away at the strength of that argument. I personally think this topic has run its course. If the developers have been following it then they'll have got the message a while back.

And yet we're still bloody well here. Why? Because we are passionate about this issue. I wanna hit 100 pages, and hammer that point home, personally.

As for the developers who have been individually attacked...individual people can be help accountable and should. The quotemining, the individuals being held accountable, this is not a thing centric to this forum. Though, I think the discussion about just how much we should hold people to their word as time goes by is a discussion worth having.

And as for the 'it's going to be optional you know', that misses the point of why people hate these entirely. They hate the system. They hate the practice. Just because it does not effect them directly does not mean it does not effect them indirectly.

If you no longer have anything to add to the discussion then by all means, take your leave of it. But enough with the parting shots on the way out. Crap, or get off the pot.

You've pretty much made my point for me, to be honest. The good arguments were made a while back in the topic, now it's just overblown rhetoric and personal abuse for no other purpose than to extend the topic a few more pages. All it's doing is weakening the strong case that is already established (and giving the mods an excuse to close the topic because it's run its course). If you want to keep up the argument at least keep it on track and leave out all the personal stuff whether directed at the developers or other players. That's the only way an argument is ever won.

clayandaudrey_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Tandor wrote: »

jeevin wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

These are going to be optional, you know. Anyone would think we're being coerced into giving our life savings away in the delusional hope that we might pick up some worthless trinket at the end of the day.

Note that I'm not saying I'd choose to have these boxes in the game, any more than I'd choose to have the Crown Store in it either, but while the first part of the topic was rationally and relatively calmly debated it has descended into way over-the-top and rather silly arguments that don't help to make the strong case against having these boxes in the game. Nor is the critics' case strengthened by the lobbing of petty insults at individual developers who can't realistically use this forum to defend themselves. They just get their words twisted and turned and thrown back at them in some cases months or even years down the line - and people wonder why the developers don't bother to post here!

There was a decent argument to be made against the boxes and that argument peaked a good few pages ago, most of what's been added since is just chipping away at the strength of that argument. I personally think this topic has run its course. If the developers have been following it then they'll have got the message a while back.

The devs haven't got the message until they remove the unique items from the rng boxes. It's attempting to exploit people, plain and simple. For shame.

After 86 pages they've got the message. All that more pages of what has now become over-the-top arguments and personal insults will do is force them into a position where they feel they have to dig in and maintain their position rather than lose face. The arguments have been made, now let them weigh the situation up and come up with a response. Driving them further into a corner won't achieve anything.

Are you naive? They have to dig in and maintain their position. These have been in development for months. You think they are just going to throw all of that away?

Ric Flair says it best

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

jeevin wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

These are going to be optional, you know. Anyone would think we're being coerced into giving our life savings away in the delusional hope that we might pick up some worthless trinket at the end of the day.

Note that I'm not saying I'd choose to have these boxes in the game, any more than I'd choose to have the Crown Store in it either, but while the first part of the topic was rationally and relatively calmly debated it has descended into way over-the-top and rather silly arguments that don't help to make the strong case against having these boxes in the game. Nor is the critics' case strengthened by the lobbing of petty insults at individual developers who can't realistically use this forum to defend themselves. They just get their words twisted and turned and thrown back at them in some cases months or even years down the line - and people wonder why the developers don't bother to post here!

There was a decent argument to be made against the boxes and that argument peaked a good few pages ago, most of what's been added since is just chipping away at the strength of that argument. I personally think this topic has run its course. If the developers have been following it then they'll have got the message a while back.

The devs haven't got the message until they remove the unique items from the rng boxes. It's attempting to exploit people, plain and simple. For shame.

After 86 pages they've got the message. All that more pages of what has now become over-the-top arguments and personal insults will do is force them into a position where they feel they have to dig in and maintain their position rather than lose face. The arguments have been made, now let them weigh the situation up and come up with a response. Driving them further into a corner won't achieve anything.

Are you naive? They have to dig in and maintain their position. These have been in development for months. You think they are just going to throw all of that away?

Ric Flair says it best

if you think it is a done deal why are you continuing to post about it?

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

hagermanj wrote: »

This, and also the name calling of players that will buy some of Crown Crates.

Bottom line: No one will be forcing anyone one to buy the Crown Crates. If you don't want them then don't buy them.

I have said before: To those that will leave the game over this, LEAVE. If this one thing makes you want to leave, then you have not been happy with this game in a long time.

I think the point is that people like the game, they don't want to leave the game, and they don't want to watch ZOS cheapen the game by adding Crown Crates. They know they are optional, and that is not the point.

I will wager that a lot of these people regularly buy stuff in the Crown Store. Many of them may be above average in how much they spend. I am wondering how many will be like me, and simply spend less in the Crown Store due to a refusal to buy the optional Crown Crates in a chase for some Exclusive.

If I am right about who is complaining, it is interesting in that a business is deliberately annoying a segment of paying customers, potentially driving them away, solely to introduce a new item they don't want. It's like New Coke, without the conspiracy theory.

I don't think that ZOS really cares. The flip side is that some people will see "exclusive to Crown Crate" and think "Weeee!" and start buying them left and right. If enough of these people do this, it will make up for the old fuddy-duddies in here that refuse to be hip and get with the program. They (ZOS) won't give up on the Crates, but they might fiddle with how they are done to try and sway the critics. My guess is that ZOS thinks that if they can just prove that the Crown Crates are OK, the people in here complaining will line up to buy them. (ZOS hangs onto this sort of idea like a pit bull with a chew toy)

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Tandor wrote: »

jeevin wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

These are going to be optional, you know. Anyone would think we're being coerced into giving our life savings away in the delusional hope that we might pick up some worthless trinket at the end of the day.

Note that I'm not saying I'd choose to have these boxes in the game, any more than I'd choose to have the Crown Store in it either, but while the first part of the topic was rationally and relatively calmly debated it has descended into way over-the-top and rather silly arguments that don't help to make the strong case against having these boxes in the game. Nor is the critics' case strengthened by the lobbing of petty insults at individual developers who can't realistically use this forum to defend themselves. They just get their words twisted and turned and thrown back at them in some cases months or even years down the line - and people wonder why the developers don't bother to post here!

There was a decent argument to be made against the boxes and that argument peaked a good few pages ago, most of what's been added since is just chipping away at the strength of that argument. I personally think this topic has run its course. If the developers have been following it then they'll have got the message a while back.

The devs haven't got the message until they remove the unique items from the rng boxes. It's attempting to exploit people, plain and simple. For shame.

After 86 pages they've got the message. All that more pages of what has now become over-the-top arguments and personal insults will do is force them into a position where they feel they have to dig in and maintain their position rather than lose face. The arguments have been made, now let them weigh the situation up and come up with a response. Driving them further into a corner won't achieve anything.

We don't drive them into a corner - ZOS will just ignore this and furthermore pretend to do this in the best interest of the player, who buys their crown consumable all the time from the crown store and gets this chance "for free" as an incentive. This is basically what Matt is talking about in interviews. They will stick with their version of the story and be in denial of everything else. I really don't care meanwhile, why they are doing it, the fact that they are doing it is clearly not in the interest of the players and as well not in the best interest of the game.

And at this point, I have to ask myself, do i really want to watch the drama unfold and see our beloved TES world be butchered more and more by predatory and immoral business practices. TES was part of my life, but I think it will not be in the future - for a little while longer maybe, to ease the pain of breaking away from it. Or maybe it is just prolonging the painful phase. I am unsure about what is best here - just leave the game for good and never look back and pretend ESO never happened?

In the end it comes down to this - I am in ESO to have a fun experience and immerse into the world - but this is increasingly harder to achieve by many reasons. Not just these boxes, as well that the game changes significantly far too often, wobbling from one direction into another, with a messed up combat system where the meta is most likely intentionally changed in ways, which makes people want to race change - yes, I think that is made to milk the players as well - I just think of a comment Jessica made in the live show, that the race change feature HAD TO BE in game BEFORE they come out with the change to racial passives. So this seems to be intended to cause these wish to change race - what is a predatory move from ZOS as well. I am sick and tired of these business practices.

I love TES (the Elder Scrolls, not ESO) and it has been a part of my life for so long - but I despise the business practices which ZOS is showing more and more, I think they are deeply dishonest and have an increasingly harsher tendency to be predatory. And this is ruining the fun. I will log in from time to time to play a little, but I feel already, that my desire to do so is rapidly decreasing and so is my will to watch the drama unfold - this just to tell you, so that you do not wonder, when you might not read that much from me on the forums anymore - I am nearly done with ESO.

Isbilen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Will these boxes include the Striped Senche-Tiger mount and the old loyalty pets?

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Isbilen wrote: »

Will these boxes include the Striped Senche-Tiger mount and the old loyalty pets?

They say that it will not.

anitajoneb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Isbilen wrote: »

Will these boxes include the Striped Senche-Tiger mount and the old loyalty pets?

Nope.
Matt Firor said it last week end.

SorataArisugawa

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

jeevin wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

These are going to be optional, you know. Anyone would think we're being coerced into giving our life savings away in the delusional hope that we might pick up some worthless trinket at the end of the day.

Note that I'm not saying I'd choose to have these boxes in the game, any more than I'd choose to have the Crown Store in it either, but while the first part of the topic was rationally and relatively calmly debated it has descended into way over-the-top and rather silly arguments that don't help to make the strong case against having these boxes in the game. Nor is the critics' case strengthened by the lobbing of petty insults at individual developers who can't realistically use this forum to defend themselves. They just get their words twisted and turned and thrown back at them in some cases months or even years down the line - and people wonder why the developers don't bother to post here!

There was a decent argument to be made against the boxes and that argument peaked a good few pages ago, most of what's been added since is just chipping away at the strength of that argument. I personally think this topic has run its course. If the developers have been following it then they'll have got the message a while back.

The devs haven't got the message until they remove the unique items from the rng boxes. It's attempting to exploit people, plain and simple. For shame.

isn't all business an attempt to 'exploit' people?

and if you fear you would be 'exploited' your recourse is simple..... don't buy them.

Yeah right. If there would be great gear in this boxes would a " just don't buy it" help? It would be considered Pay2Win even if just some people use this opportunity. For people who like greate styls the game is allready P2W und now they a completly unable to get the items they desire except if they collect the whole shop and gather replacment currentcy...

Violynne

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Not surprised to see "No" has the majority of the vote by players.

This isn't a very good idea, but it's not a surprise to see it. Far too many companies have rushed to push digital goods into the same category as physical properties, and it's move that's going to turn on them horribly.

ZoS should learn:
- Selling a digital good for an inflated price is a stupid thing to do. It's digital, which means there is no supply issue. By reducing the price substantially, more units can be sold. More people will buy a $5 flaming horse than one sold at $25. This isn't just economics, it's common sense.

- Stop with the ridiculous "limited time only". Again, it's a digital product. There is no supply issues, which means this has an infinite distribution supply chain. It's ABSOLUTELY STUPID to try and goad people into a purchase frenzy to have them buy a digital good that can be easily reproduced.

- Lower the price of ESO Plus by $5, watch subscriptions spike. It's a known fact people and numbers don't get along, and more people will justify a $9.99/mo price than the current $14.99/mo. It's precisely why many things on TV are sold at $19.99, because people will state to themselves "It's less than $20".

- Reach out to ESO Plus subscribers with more than just digital trinkets and buffs. People, just like your employees ZoS, feel inclined a personal touch from the company makes the subscription that much more valid. Things such as:
+ Personalized birthday notices, maybe even a few digital freebies
+ Having special company release announcements which ESO Plus members get access to first via online communication
+ Putting active subscribers' names on the login screen. Of course, this would have to be random a bit, but hey, it's just another reason to appreciate the load screen in case their names are seen

These are just a few ideas, but there are plenty more.

Companies need to stop treating people like they're wallets when it comes to digital goods.

These 87+ pages should be more than enough reason to see why.

anitajoneb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

SorataArisugawa wrote: »

Yeah right. If there would be great gear in this boxes would a " just don't buy it" help?

But there isn't any gear in those boxes. Don't you guys have so little existing stuff to complain about that you also need to complain about non-existing stuff ?

SorataArisugawa wrote: »

For people who like greate styls the game is allready P2W

Nope. All styles are easily available ingame.

SorataArisugawa wrote: »

Now they a completly unable to get the items they desire except if they collect the whole shop and gather replacment currentcy...

It's true that some stuff people might want to buy will be "gated" behind those crates... but what the hell does it have to do with P2W ...????

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Violynne wrote: »

ZoS should learn:
- Selling a digital good for an inflated price is a stupid thing to do. It's digital, which means there is no supply issue. By reducing the price substantially, more units can be sold. More people will buy a $5 flaming horse than one sold at $25. This isn't just economics, it's common sense.

- Stop with the ridiculous "limited time only". Again, it's a digital product. There is no supply issues, which means this has an infinite distribution supply chain. It's ABSOLUTELY STUPID to try and goad people into a purchase frenzy to have them buy a digital good that can be easily reproduced.

People do have to realize that the high prices and Limited Offers are to discourage abundance in-game, while getting people to spend more for an item that will not be abundant in the game. If volume was their goal, they would price differently.

When things in the Crown Store are really expensive, one has to ask whether it is that way because they want to LIMIT how much it is purchased. For example, race, name, and appearance tokens. I suggest that they don't want these to be commonly used on a whim. They want people to think about it and not do it casually.

ESO is not a "microtransaction" game. The Crown Store is intended for Premium purchases.

Violynne wrote: »

- Lower the price of ESO Plus by $5, watch subscriptions spike. It's a known fact people and numbers don't get along, and more people will justify a $9.99/mo price than the current $14.99/mo. It's precisely why many things on TV are sold at $19.99, because people will state to themselves "It's less than $20".

I think people are buying ESO Plus at an acceptable level today. There is no reason to lower the cost, and doing so could actually reduce revenue. I would be very surprised if the number of ESO Plus subscribers is not in the 50%-75% range right now, given the crafting bag.

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

Violynne wrote: »

ZoS should learn:
- Selling a digital good for an inflated price is a stupid thing to do. It's digital, which means there is no supply issue. By reducing the price substantially, more units can be sold. More people will buy a $5 flaming horse than one sold at $25. This isn't just economics, it's common sense.

- Stop with the ridiculous "limited time only". Again, it's a digital product. There is no supply issues, which means this has an infinite distribution supply chain. It's ABSOLUTELY STUPID to try and goad people into a purchase frenzy to have them buy a digital good that can be easily reproduced.

People do have to realize that the high prices and Limited Offers are to discourage abundance in-game, while getting people to spend more for an item that will not be abundant in the game. If volume was their goal, they would price differently.

When things in the Crown Store are really expensive, one has to ask whether it is that way because they want to LIMIT how much it is purchased. For example, race, name, and appearance tokens. I suggest that they don't want these to be commonly used on a whim. They want people to think about it and not do it casually.

ESO is not a "microtransaction" game. The Crown Store is intended for Premium purchases.

Violynne wrote: »

- Lower the price of ESO Plus by $5, watch subscriptions spike. It's a known fact people and numbers don't get along, and more people will justify a $9.99/mo price than the current $14.99/mo. It's precisely why many things on TV are sold at $19.99, because people will state to themselves "It's less than $20".

I think people are buying ESO Plus at an acceptable level today. There is no reason to lower the cost, and doing so could actually reduce revenue. I would be very surprised if the number of ESO Plus subscribers is not in the 50%-75% range right now, given the crafting bag.

...You have me curious. Why would they want to limit the ammount of sales they get? Why would they want to limit the size of a product in game?

Why would they -care-?

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

...You have me curious. Why would they want to limit the ammount of sales they get? Why would they want to limit the size of a product in game?

Why would they -care-?

Remember that ZOS makes no money at all off of the purchase of items in the Crown Store. ZERO. ZOS makes all of their money selling the initial "box" license, ESO Plus, and Crowns. It is all about actual real money, not virtual items in the Crown Store. They want to price things in the Crown Store so that people are purchasing Crowns. Therefore, the entire purpose of the Crown Store is to make people want to buy Crowns above and beyond what they can get from ESO Plus.

After that, it is all supply and demand, coupled with some social engineering. By creating artificial scarcity in the supply, they increase the desire for the item and the price people are willing to pay rises accordingly. This is how they maximize the sale of Crowns to players for real cash.

anitajoneb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

...You have me curious. Why would they want to limit the ammount of sales they get? Why would they want to limit the size of a product in game?
Why would they -care-?

Because something abundant is something "common". People might not be ready to spend RL money for something "common", but are more ready to do so for something "high end". This is an imaginary world, all scarcities are decided and monitored by ZOS. Something high end has to be rare. More rare than a common thing.

1000 buyers x 1$cheap thing = 1000$ sales
30 buyers x 50$ premium thing = 1500$ sales.

quid erat demonstrandum.

clayandaudrey_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

jeevin wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

These are going to be optional, you know. Anyone would think we're being coerced into giving our life savings away in the delusional hope that we might pick up some worthless trinket at the end of the day.

Note that I'm not saying I'd choose to have these boxes in the game, any more than I'd choose to have the Crown Store in it either, but while the first part of the topic was rationally and relatively calmly debated it has descended into way over-the-top and rather silly arguments that don't help to make the strong case against having these boxes in the game. Nor is the critics' case strengthened by the lobbing of petty insults at individual developers who can't realistically use this forum to defend themselves. They just get their words twisted and turned and thrown back at them in some cases months or even years down the line - and people wonder why the developers don't bother to post here!

There was a decent argument to be made against the boxes and that argument peaked a good few pages ago, most of what's been added since is just chipping away at the strength of that argument. I personally think this topic has run its course. If the developers have been following it then they'll have got the message a while back.

The devs haven't got the message until they remove the unique items from the rng boxes. It's attempting to exploit people, plain and simple. For shame.

After 86 pages they've got the message. All that more pages of what has now become over-the-top arguments and personal insults will do is force them into a position where they feel they have to dig in and maintain their position rather than lose face. The arguments have been made, now let them weigh the situation up and come up with a response. Driving them further into a corner won't achieve anything.

Are you naive? They have to dig in and maintain their position. These have been in development for months. You think they are just going to throw all of that away?

Ric Flair says it best

if you think it is a done deal why are you continuing to post about it?

Because I am bored and someone said they wanted 100 pages so just trying to help.

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

...You have me curious. Why would they want to limit the ammount of sales they get? Why would they want to limit the size of a product in game?

Why would they -care-?

Remember that ZOS makes no money at all off of the purchase of items in the Crown Store. ZERO. ZOS makes all of their money selling the initial "box" license, ESO Plus, and Crowns. It is all about actual real money, not virtual items in the Crown Store. They want to price things in the Crown Store so that people are purchasing Crowns. Therefore, the entire purpose of the Crown Store is to make people want to buy Crowns above and beyond what they can get from ESO Plus.

After that, it is all supply and demand, coupled with some social engineering. By creating artificial scarcity in the supply, they increase the desire for the item and the price people are willing to pay rises accordingly. This is how they maximize the sale of Crowns to players for real cash.

I'd say I'm suprised, but I'm not, at this point.

Funnily enough, the price hikes lately are why I've spent less.

Iselin

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

...You have me curious. Why would they want to limit the ammount of sales they get? Why would they want to limit the size of a product in game?

Why would they -care-?

Remember that ZOS makes no money at all off of the purchase of items in the Crown Store. ZERO. ZOS makes all of their money selling the initial "box" license, ESO Plus, and Crowns. It is all about actual real money, not virtual items in the Crown Store. They want to price things in the Crown Store so that people are purchasing Crowns. Therefore, the entire purpose of the Crown Store is to make people want to buy Crowns above and beyond what they can get from ESO Plus.

After that, it is all supply and demand, coupled with some social engineering. By creating artificial scarcity in the supply, they increase the demand and the price rises accordingly. This is how they maximize the sale of Crowns to players for real cash.

Actually I don't think that's true at all. ESO+ is structured in a way that there is very little need to do anything else if you do the sub option. The crown store is an alternative to the sub. Other games that do it the way you describe where sub AND cash purchases are both needed from the same players for their business model to be successful don't give you nearly as much with the optional sub...certainly not access to all DLC. They bundle several DLCs worth of content into "expansions" and sell those in addition to the sub.

I've always viewed ESO since the B2P conversion as "sub optional (but very beneficial and encouraged)" It's still very much a sub game at heart.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Iselin wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

...You have me curious. Why would they want to limit the ammount of sales they get? Why would they want to limit the size of a product in game?

Why would they -care-?

Remember that ZOS makes no money at all off of the purchase of items in the Crown Store. ZERO. ZOS makes all of their money selling the initial "box" license, ESO Plus, and Crowns. It is all about actual real money, not virtual items in the Crown Store. They want to price things in the Crown Store so that people are purchasing Crowns. Therefore, the entire purpose of the Crown Store is to make people want to buy Crowns above and beyond what they can get from ESO Plus.

After that, it is all supply and demand, coupled with some social engineering. By creating artificial scarcity in the supply, they increase the desire for the item and the price people are willing to pay rises accordingly. This is how they maximize the sale of Crowns to players for real cash.

Actually I don't think that's true at all. ESO+ is structured in a way that there is very little need to do anything else if you do the sub option. The crown store is an alternative to the sub. Other games that do it the way you describe where sub AND cash purchases are both needed from the same players for their business model to be successful don't give you nearly as much with the optional sub...certainly not access to all DLC. They bundle several DLCs worth of content into "expansions" and sell those in addition to the sub.

I've always viewed ESO since the B2P conversion as "sub optional (but very beneficial and encouraged)" It's still very much a sub game at heart.

Nah. They have to price things so that ESO Plus members are purchasing additional Crowns. Artificial inflation. If you are not purchasing Crowns in addition to the 1500 from ESO Plus, you are under performing as a customer. Please review the customer Meta and restructure your build.