What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

It's not paranoia in this case, but a quite sane reaction.

I don't think it will be any better than other games, and the interview with Matt did nothing to change my mind.

anitajoneb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

JimT722 wrote: »

I don't think it will be any better than other games, and the interview with Matt did nothing to change my mind.

A simple question to all of you who are 99% sure that ZOS and ESO will go P2W-downhill-skyfall catastrophy :

Why don't you leave now ?

I mean, when I know I'll have to leave my partner soon, I prefer to leave him now. Anything else is just weird and painful.

So, aren't you all in fact giving ZOS the benefit of the doubt, in spite of your conviction that it can only go bad soon ?

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

I don't think it will be any better than other games, and the interview with Matt did nothing to change my mind.

A simple question to all of you who are 99% sure that ZOS and ESO will go P2W-downhill-skyfall catastrophy :

Why don't you leave now ?

I mean, when I know I'll have to leave my partner soon, I prefer to leave him now. Anything else is just weird and painful.

So, aren't you all in fact giving ZOS the benefit of the doubt, in spite of your conviction that it can only go bad soon ?

Because I paid upwards of 100 dollars, and because I have no other games to go to that interest me. So I'm going to play until I get fed up.

And no, I'm not giving them benefit of the doubt. I'm giving them a chance to either *** up royal or impress me. If this game would die I would ride it all the way into the ground.

Tib

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

I don't think it will be any better than other games, and the interview with Matt did nothing to change my mind.

A simple question to all of you who are 99% sure that ZOS and ESO will go P2W-downhill-skyfall catastrophy :

Why don't you leave now ?

I mean, when I know I'll have to leave my partner soon, I prefer to leave him now. Anything else is just weird and painful.

So, aren't you all in fact giving ZOS the benefit of the doubt, in spite of your conviction that it can only go bad soon ?

• they want to give ZOS "another chance" (TRANSLATION: there are few other games that are better ethics-wise)
• if they left, nobody would be here to "protect the weak addicted gamblers" (TRANSLATION: guess which ones are the real addicts here)
• they "love the game", despite complaining just about every aspect there is to complain about (TRANSLATION: disillusioned, negative and evidently self-destructive attitude, likely stemming from real life problems. I mean, who on earth would spend time on something they hate?)

Cousin_Idirfa

No, don't ever add these into the game.

The move to implement these gamble crates reeks of desperation. So it would be nice to know if this move really is necessary to the financial health of the game. Is the game really not making enough money?

It's being taken as a huge slap in the face to those players like myself who are already spending money on the game, so it makes me wonder if they would really do this unless they felt like it was absolutely necessary.

Or it's a greedy move from the upper execs or investors to try and squeeze as much as they can out of the players who are spending money on the collectibles.

Either way, it stinks like the barrels of rotting white fish in my inventory while trying to catch those greens and blues (and perfect roe).

They said at E3 that they've sold 7 million copies of the game. The game's population seems to be healthy. I see loads of players in the DLC zones. I see loads of players running around with crown store pets and costumes and mounts. I see a lot of players wearing the dyed costumes, and I know a lot of players have re-subbed to get the crafting bags. So it seems like there is a large population of players that are ESO+ subscribers.

But these are only appearances. Or mostly anecdotal evidence.

So which is it? Is the game suffering financially? Or is Zos just trying to squeeze us for more?

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

I don't think it will be any better than other games, and the interview with Matt did nothing to change my mind.

A simple question to all of you who are 99% sure that ZOS and ESO will go P2W-downhill-skyfall catastrophy :

Why don't you leave now ?

I mean, when I know I'll have to leave my partner soon, I prefer to leave him now. Anything else is just weird and painful.

So, aren't you all in fact giving ZOS the benefit of the doubt, in spite of your conviction that it can only go bad soon ?

I never said it would go p2w. Not once. In fact just the opposite. Still very bad for the game. I don't want to leave I want to support them. I will not support cheap marketing tactics though. It's manipulation of its players base.

Edit: when do I stop giving them the benefit of the doubt? When they include a system made popular in f2p games for milking the players seems as good a time as any.

Abeille

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

I don't think it will be any better than other games, and the interview with Matt did nothing to change my mind.

A simple question to all of you who are 99% sure that ZOS and ESO will go P2W-downhill-skyfall catastrophy :

Why don't you leave now ?

I mean, when I know I'll have to leave my partner soon, I prefer to leave him now. Anything else is just weird and painful.

So, aren't you all in fact giving ZOS the benefit of the doubt, in spite of your conviction that it can only go bad soon ?

Does hoping that they will listen to our feedback and stop before they get on p2w grounds with the boxes counts as giving them the benefit of the doubt?

aurly

Hm, not that I mind it, but isn't this illegal in most countries? This is a form of gambling that involves real money, after all.

RazielSR

No, don't ever add these into the game.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

catsgomeow wrote: »

The thing about rng boxes some people might not know about is the history of them throughout the mmorpg scene, they have followed the same path in almost every mmo that has introduced them without fail and i dont see why eso would be any different, they only start out cosmetic only, then its exclusive items then it gets into the realm of pay to win then outright pay to win.

I heard EXACTLY the same 18 months ago on the B2P (Tamriel Unlimited) annoucement : ESO was 100% doomed to become P2W before you know it. Yet 18 months later there's still not an ounce of P2W in ESO.
So sorry, but I don't buy it at all. Crown Crates are NOT compelled to make ESO P2W.

Your woefully either misinformed, or just burying your head in the sand...don't know which.

ESO already has P2W Elements in it, and has for a very long time.

1. The absolute Best In Slot Gear(Weapons) in the game are pay-gated behind a DLC(Vet Maelstrom Arena) If you want absolute BIS weapons you have to pay for the content....thats as clear cut as it gets...either you pay for that DLC or you don't get BIS weapons...those that pay for it get them, those that just buy the base game don't....don't get much clearer then that.

2. Crown Experience Scrolls are better in every way then their Perfect Roe counterparts that even the chance of getting a perfect roe is based on horrible RNG, and I had been doing provisioning writs for over 6 months since getting one full recipe of ambrosia and they ninja nerfed the drop rate for recipe fragments down to nearly non-existent out of 600 provisioning writs I seen 0 fragments despite them being 1 out of every 7-10 prior to this change(done to get more people to buy Crown Scrolls)

3. The Vampire and Werewolf spawns in this game used to be predictable and simply waiting for the right times and places you could find these spawns and get infected. A few weeks after putting Vampire and Werewolf in the Crown Store they ninja nerfed the spawn rates of Vamps and WW that can infect you and this has been noticed on PC.....as the only people now getting it really are those who get bite by another player or buy the crown version....The spawns still happen, they just ninja nerfed their spawn rate by about 90% to the point they rarely spawn anymore just outside of sheer bum luck.

They keep pushing the envelope more and more down the P2W route, and blindly defending and looking away won't change that fact. I know the argument your going to try to make for DLC, and just don't go there....ANYTHING your forced to buy, in this case DLC, to have access to BIS gear is P2W period...thats the stinking definition of the term...force customers to buy something with real money to get access to desirable items.

these crowns crates are horrible for the game and they are horrible for you...because they don't have the customers best interest at heart. Don't feed me the line about ZOS need to make money either. I want them to make money, but they also owe it to their customers to fix the damn game, fix the lag, and actually show a concerted effort to fixing bugs instead of going the cheapo route and only fixing bugs in DLC releases because they don't want to pay anyone a salary. Yet they want to squeeze their customers for everything they can...its shameful. You will pay 3-4x what you would buying those mounts stright up in the store...which is the entire intention.

A person is more reluctant to pay say....6000 Crowns up front...but 400 here, 400 there..looks much smaller...its all in the presentation....marketing 101....there is a reason stores list items at say...10.99 instead of 11.00 because 10.99 its the 1st two numbers your brain is focused on, your still really paying 11 bucks(1 penny is nothing) but studies were done on this...people that balked at 11 bucks for item bought the same item for 10.99....marketers are not stupid...I know i learned from one of the best in my younger years.

This entire system is designed to make you pay significantly more money then they could possibly charge in the store by masking the true price behind smaller chunks and using marketing presentation to make it look like a deal.

You know. This post is quite quite amazing.

Me and others that left ESO a long time ago were saying that things like this would happen step by step by announcing the b2p thing.

We were trolls according to ZOS fanboys (fanboys that are not even playing ESO since a long time ago too).

A lot of posts and topics by us were deleted for mods that are not even working here now either.

Now the community is a bit different. You know,for a videogame company (and others) is not important to keep the people that already payed. They catter to new audiences that are gonna pay full price again by changing a model that was not making the expected profits.
Thats why the community playing ESO now is not the same as when the game was released.
Of course,there is people that still playing since the beginning,like me. But the whole community has shifted at least 2 or 3 times since early access.

People tend to believe videogame companies are here because they are super fans of their work and because they share the same vision regarding this kind of art with the fans. That can happen sometimes and between certain artists or people but the major force leading videogame companies efforts/talent/visions is the money. Thats why you have even founders of a project leaving once they see the path is not what they expected. Here in ZOS the same happened with some developers.

Human beings after all. I understand them. What I dont and will never understand is how can a person be so blind or silly to defend things that are clearly made and created to pickpocket.

Of course,if a person pays for something is because they want and are free to do so. I can have an opinion and they another.

But,for me, if a person can't see how this game is going the masked f2p path,then that person has problems.

If I stay here is because I want,and still having fun, but I'm completely aware that Im paying for a p2w masked game since it went b2p.

Tandor

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Claiming that a game is P2W because you don't get all the content unless you buy the expansions or DLC is absurd.

Claiming that by switching to B2P the game was made P2W because you have to spend vast amounts of crowns to play the game fully is equally absurd. If you liked the original subscription model then nothing has changed, you can continue to pay the same subscription and even tho you then get a decent supply of crowns included every month (as well as full access to the DLC content) there's absolutely nothing in the crown store that is essential to buy.

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Tandor wrote: »

Claiming that a game is P2W because you don't get all the content unless you buy the expansions or DLC is absurd.

Claiming that by switching to B2P the game was made P2W because you have to spend vast amounts of crowns to play the game fully is equally absurd. If you liked the original subscription model then nothing has changed, you can continue to pay the same subscription and even tho you then get a decent supply of crowns included every month (as well as full access to the DLC content) there's absolutely nothing in the crown store that is essential to buy.

I'd call it "Pay to optimize" but it still rings true in some area's. Still a bit subjective, on that front.

Abeille

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Tandor wrote: »

Claiming that a game is P2W because you don't get all the content unless you buy the expansions or DLC is absurd.

Claiming that by switching to B2P the game was made P2W because you have to spend vast amounts of crowns to play the game fully is equally absurd. If you liked the original subscription model then nothing has changed, you can continue to pay the same subscription and even tho you then get a decent supply of crowns included every month (as well as full access to the DLC content) there's absolutely nothing in the crown store that is essential to buy.

This is something I can agree with.

I subscribe exactly because I liked the model before. Nothing changed to me, I just get some extra goodies.

Mercutio

I have faith they'll "do the right thing" by their customers sooner rather than later. Enough so that I changed my ESO+ sub from one month to six month today as well as buying a bunch of crowns (mainly because of the One Tamriel - I really like it).

First off, the Mysterious Game Devs are just people like you and me. They don't want to screw anyone over any more than you or I would. I suspect that this whole fiasco was born more of a beancounter fiat than a developer muse, and I further speculate the Devs are not happy about it (they're gamers, too) but have to play ball in public.

Secondly, maybe a more reasonable rationale to some, if they never make the Crown Gem 'unique items' available for purchase through the standard channels they will be leaving money on the table. The Completionist demographic in MMORPGs has always been understated in my opinion. I would wager a good 10 to 20 percent of the gaming populace would fit into that category whose mindset is "Gotta catch 'em all!" Most will not be able to buy unlimited Lucky Bags so a different stream will have to be offered them if ZOS wants that sweet, sweet lucra. And they do want it - I've yet to encounter the company that turns away revenue.

Furthermore, to not offer an alternative method of collection would demoralize some of their most prodigiously paying players (again, said Completionists). If you 'gotta have 'em all' but can't get 'Item X', then you are no longer a successful Completionist. You're just a guy with a lot of digital goods. Goods that no longer bring you joy and satisfaction because your collection is no longer all-encompassing. Why continue down Everything Road when you know you can no longer get everything?

In closing, I don't think we have heard the last on this issue, and I believe it will be tweaked further to make it both more fair and lucrative. I consider the current situation an opening salvo, nothing more. There are numerous adjustments that could be made that would be seen as a fair compromise between Beancounter, Dev and Player. To list just two:

1) Make the unique gem items available in the Crown Store six months after introduction from the Crown Crates.

2) Have every purchase from the Crown Store grant a random number of gems (with the crates offering the most). That way players could stockpile the gems till they have enough to purchase what they actually desire from the Gem Store.

And anyone with a little imagination can no doubt envision more possibilities.

Even if I am totally wrong though, I will continue to play the game because I find it fun. However, I fully understand and empathize with those who are upset by this. But I'll place my bets on the better angels of Zeni's nature that also correspond with what is in their long-term best interests.

Arezius

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Many comments here seem to forgot one of the main reason why people are against the lockboxes, which is not about pay2win.
And if arguing today about a pay2win aspect that does not exist yet in the game is useless, there is something else worth arguing today : cosmetics (= content) locked behind these RNG chests.

No matter what some people will say, cosmetic IS part of the game, part of the experience, and for many, a very good reason to play. Getting a reward for a hard "work" is always great, and for some people this reward will be gear, but for others it can be only cosmetic. Because it's a game after all, and we're here to have fun.

There is already a debate with cosmetics in a cash shop, because you can't get it through "hard" work = gameplay, you only need to put the number of your credit card and this is absolutely not rewarding at all.
But if at least there's a flat (and reasonable) price for it, then we can decide if we want it or not, because at least we know we can get it for sure.

And now the problem with that and lockboxes is the fact that there's always a very (very, very) small chance to get that mount in the box, which makes the value of that mount extremely high, and even worse, you're not guaranty to get it in the end.
Everyone who enjoy collecting will need these mounts, but lockboxes put them behind a gigantic RNG paywall.


Another counter-argument I read is that Devs need money for the game. Yet we're saying it loud and clear : we already do and are ready to keep paying for content (gameplay or cosmetics). Zenimax will get our money if they produce content.

In the end, lockboxes are only here to get more cash from people who have a weakness for gambling, and there's no way you can argue and say that this is a valid way to make profit.

By the way, if you like gambling machines so much, take Konami as example, and stop making video games.

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Arezius wrote: »

Many comments here seem to forgot one of the main reason why people are against the lockboxes, which is not about pay2win.
And if arguing today about a pay2win aspect that does not exist yet in the game is useless, there is something else worth arguing today : cosmetics (= content) locked behind these RNG chests.

No matter what some people will say, cosmetic IS part of the game, part of the experience, and for many, a very good reason to play. Getting a reward for a hard "work" is always great, and for some people this reward will be gear, but for others it can be only cosmetic. Because it's a game after all, and we're here to have fun.

There is already a debate with cosmetics in a cash shop, because you can't get it through "hard" work = gameplay, you only need to put the number of your credit card and this is absolutely not rewarding at all.
But if at least there's a flat (and reasonable) price for it, then we can decide if we want it or not, because at least we know we can get it for sure.

And now the problem with that and lockboxes is the fact that there's always a very (very, very) small chance to get that mount in the box, which makes the value of that mount extremely high, and even worse, you're not guaranty to get it in the end.
Everyone who enjoy collecting will need these mounts, but lockboxes put them behind a gigantic RNG paywall.


Another counter-argument I read is that Devs need money for the game. Yet we're saying it loud and clear : we already do and are ready to keep paying for content (gameplay or cosmetics). Zenimax will get our money if they produce content.

In the end, lockboxes are only here to get more cash from people who have a weakness for gambling, and there's no way you can argue and say that this is a valid way to make profit.

By the way, if you like gambling machines so much, take Konami as example, and stop making video games.

Yeah there was no doubt that b2p would include premium content and I think most are fine with that. What many are pissed about is using f2p marketing schemes in combination with it. If you're going to be buy to play then put them on the store. When you have been subscribing since launch and buying premium content, the f2p milking tactics feel like a slap in the face.

arasysb14_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Much can be said about how game has devolved into its current version over the years.. Before RNG boxes were announced, I realized I gotten used to seeing the same bugs still existing from 2013 summer beta. 3 years..

Players who have been playing the game since its early days endured at least a year long beta, cheat engine going rampant, bots, lag etc. But those who kept playing apparently like Tamriel, its lore - the core of the game or simply wanted to play a new fantasy D&D-like MMO.. So even though there were issues they kept playing the game, or checking the forums to see if game gotten better.

Yet this time, a lot of long time players feel frustrated and question if they feel like logging in at all because ugly cash grab attempt designed by horrible marketers disillusions them. It feels as if texture of the game is more blended with corporate greed, meaning a real world reminder impacts the immersion for them. I don't mind having a cash shop in the game, but I feel pushed away from the game lore or its immersion when gambling and obvious P2W becomes so blatant.

I made millions because of my access to DLC zones in few weeks by only spending 2-3 of hours on farming. If I only farmed base game zones, there was no way I could have easily made that amount while casually farming like I did. So there's already indirect P2W introduced in ESO: I paid for DLC content, and can afford whatever I want in the game.

Content for Clockwork city, Vvardenfell, and an argonian zone are on the way, they will keep introducing so many costumes, holiday themed crown items, and increase the range of items for rng boxes to make them seem as if they are more valuable than what they are. I wonder how much emphasis will be put into offering rich content that would satisfy pvp, and pve players?

Housing, one of the most requested content by players since early pre-beta forum days, will most likely be monetized via crowns as well. Decoration (including seasonal / holiday) items and, new houses might be introduced for higher crowns.
Instead, ZOS could make decoration system based on crafting, which could enrich the content, add another reason for players to stick around and feel more attached to their product (Tamriel).

Barber shop idea was scraped and introduced as an option within crown store, many interpreted this as a blatant cash grab attempt instead of improving the immersion of a hero engine based MMO. Who's the genius behind these ideas? The very same people who do not have any idea about marketing and responding to feedback in the worst possible ways.

Game's economy is horrible, biggest trade guilds' officers have to stay up till 3 am, and worry about bid spying. Current guild trading system is aimed to take millions of gold out of the economy in the laziest way possible. Large trading guilds like Eternal Traders Union, Angry Unicorn Traders offered feedback for weeks here on forums, all of that was ignored. A lot of guilds will continue to lose their spot (these guilds have really nice officers putting too much effort to keep things stable within this system).

Tying a lot of the content like VMA and even crown store to RNG simply shows how creative ZOS has become. Shame, ESO could have been so much more with fewer but high quality DLCs and gain more customer loyalty. Creating 3600 cp levels of uber repetitive leveling system is not even character progression, but sign of utter lack of creativity as well.

Community has shifted so much, a lot guilds and players came and gone since ZOS did a terrible job with keeping promises and establishing some sort of loyalty among players. Unlike many of its competitors, ESO had support from TES lore, many of its fans and brand popularity. It clearly had great potential.

I remember when devs and enthusiastic fans discussed Hero Engine's potential to cause issues after witnessing SWTOR's launch on forums. Community was told they wouldn't base their game on it: ZOS stated they were simply using it to create a blueprint. Now they are saying they can't even introduce cloaks or other simple yet movable objects like hair models into the very project they invested millions in. Small details maybe, but it seems like ZOS decided to milk the game as best as it can with least amount of effort.

There's so much I can add here, but the point is; RNG boxes' introduction guarantees path to further near future monetizing methods like I mentioned, and this will push more people away.

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Wow. Never seen quite a concerted denial of up coming "content"...

We are going to put the lie to the whole "We listen to our community"

It'll become more of a "We cherry pick what we want to hear from our community"

We keep this up and we may very well stop this from happening. I know, I know, wishful thinking. Don't tread on my dreams!

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

I don't think it will be any better than other games, and the interview with Matt did nothing to change my mind.

A simple question to all of you who are 99% sure that ZOS and ESO will go P2W-downhill-skyfall catastrophy :

Why don't you leave now ?

I mean, when I know I'll have to leave my partner soon, I prefer to leave him now. Anything else is just weird and painful.

So, aren't you all in fact giving ZOS the benefit of the doubt, in spite of your conviction that it can only go bad soon ?

Who said "soon"?

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

nurrtibub16_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

I don't think it will be any better than other games, and the interview with Matt did nothing to change my mind.

A simple question to all of you who are 99% sure that ZOS and ESO will go P2W-downhill-skyfall catastrophy :

Why don't you leave now ?

I mean, when I know I'll have to leave my partner soon, I prefer to leave him now. Anything else is just weird and painful.

So, aren't you all in fact giving ZOS the benefit of the doubt, in spite of your conviction that it can only go bad soon ?

• they want to give ZOS "another chance" (TRANSLATION: there are few other games that are better ethics-wise)
• if they left, nobody would be here to "protect the weak addicted gamblers" (TRANSLATION: guess which ones are the real addicts here)
• they "love the game", despite complaining just about every aspect there is to complain about (TRANSLATION: disillusioned, negative and evidently self-destructive attitude, likely stemming from real life problems. I mean, who on earth would spend time on something they hate?)

Of course we love the game, otherwise why complain at all, then we would just let go and play something else. And no, I have another game to go to, which I play since 2008 and am still playing now - EVE online, which has never disappointed me so far.

The problem with ESO was already described by Angry Joe at launch - painfully average - on one side it is a great game and on the other side it is so awfully bug ridden at times - just look at what a disaster it was on Xbox and PS4 for quite a while - and especially in the last few months costumes and armor are more often than not awfully crafted - things which should never happen with an AAA game. And this discrepancy between awesomeness on one side (landscape graphics and sound effects in the open wild are awesome) and dilettantism on the other makes it to something what Angry Joe described as "painfully average" - and now with these RNG boxes the game is again loosing niveaux and this is just painful among other things.

And just because most other games are not better ethic-wise, does not make this one more acceptable - wrong is wrong.

Avenias

Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmetics

Lysette wrote: »

nurrtibub16_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

I don't think it will be any better than other games, and the interview with Matt did nothing to change my mind.

A simple question to all of you who are 99% sure that ZOS and ESO will go P2W-downhill-skyfall catastrophy :

Why don't you leave now ?

I mean, when I know I'll have to leave my partner soon, I prefer to leave him now. Anything else is just weird and painful.

So, aren't you all in fact giving ZOS the benefit of the doubt, in spite of your conviction that it can only go bad soon ?

• they want to give ZOS "another chance" (TRANSLATION: there are few other games that are better ethics-wise)
• if they left, nobody would be here to "protect the weak addicted gamblers" (TRANSLATION: guess which ones are the real addicts here)
• they "love the game", despite complaining just about every aspect there is to complain about (TRANSLATION: disillusioned, negative and evidently self-destructive attitude, likely stemming from real life problems. I mean, who on earth would spend time on something they hate?)

Of course we love the game, otherwise why complain at all, then we would just let go and play something else. And no, I have another game to go to, which I play since 2008 and am still playing now - EVE online, which has never disappointed me so far.

The problem with ESO was already described by Angry Joe at launch - painfully average - on one side it is a great game and on the other side it is so awfully bug ridden at times - just look at what a disaster it was on Xbox and PS4 for quite a while - and especially in the last few months costumes and armor are more often than not awfully crafted - things which should never happen with an AAA game. And this discrepancy between awesomeness on one side (landscape graphics and sound effects in the open wild are awesome) and dilettantism on the other makes it to something what Angry Joe described as "painfully average" - and now with these RNG boxes the game is again loosing niveaux and this is just painful among other things.

And just because most other games are not better ethic-wise, does not make this one more acceptable - wrong is wrong.

Angry joe didnt review tamriel unlimited. He reviewed the game at launch. Its day and light now.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

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Avenias wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

nurrtibub16_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

I don't think it will be any better than other games, and the interview with Matt did nothing to change my mind.

A simple question to all of you who are 99% sure that ZOS and ESO will go P2W-downhill-skyfall catastrophy :

Why don't you leave now ?

I mean, when I know I'll have to leave my partner soon, I prefer to leave him now. Anything else is just weird and painful.

So, aren't you all in fact giving ZOS the benefit of the doubt, in spite of your conviction that it can only go bad soon ?

• they want to give ZOS "another chance" (TRANSLATION: there are few other games that are better ethics-wise)
• if they left, nobody would be here to "protect the weak addicted gamblers" (TRANSLATION: guess which ones are the real addicts here)
• they "love the game", despite complaining just about every aspect there is to complain about (TRANSLATION: disillusioned, negative and evidently self-destructive attitude, likely stemming from real life problems. I mean, who on earth would spend time on something they hate?)

Of course we love the game, otherwise why complain at all, then we would just let go and play something else. And no, I have another game to go to, which I play since 2008 and am still playing now - EVE online, which has never disappointed me so far.

The problem with ESO was already described by Angry Joe at launch - painfully average - on one side it is a great game and on the other side it is so awfully bug ridden at times - just look at what a disaster it was on Xbox and PS4 for quite a while - and especially in the last few months costumes and armor are more often than not awfully crafted - things which should never happen with an AAA game. And this discrepancy between awesomeness on one side (landscape graphics and sound effects in the open wild are awesome) and dilettantism on the other makes it to something what Angry Joe described as "painfully average" - and now with these RNG boxes the game is again loosing niveaux and this is just painful among other things.

And just because most other games are not better ethic-wise, does not make this one more acceptable - wrong is wrong.

Angry joe didnt review tamriel unlimited. He reviewed the game at launch. Its dag and light now.

Even worse for ESO then, because a lot of what he said is still valid - and this is just shameful for ZOS.

anitajoneb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

RazielSR wrote: »

You know. This post is quite quite amazing.

The post you were referring to is not "amazing". It's full of factually wrong arguments.
Unfortunately, that makes your post irrelevant.

anitajoneb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

Of course we love the game, otherwise why complain at all, then we would just let go and play something else. And no, I have another game to go to, which I play since 2008 and am still playing now - EVE online, which has never disappointed me so far.

The problem with ESO was already described by Angry Joe at launch - painfully average - on one side it is a great game and on the other side it is so awfully bug ridden at times - just look at what a disaster it was on Xbox and PS4 for quite a while - and especially in the last few months costumes and armor are more often than not awfully crafted - things which should never happen with an AAA game. And this discrepancy between awesomeness on one side (landscape graphics and sound effects in the open wild are awesome) and dilettantism on the other makes it to something what Angry Joe described as "painfully average" - and now with these RNG boxes the game is again loosing niveaux and this is just painful among other things.

And just because most other games are not better ethic-wise, does not make this one more acceptable - wrong is wrong.

So... you "love" a game which is, by your own words, "painfully average", "awfully bug-ridden", with "items more often than not awfully crafted", not at the level of an AAA game, and run by a company that is, ethic-wise, flat out wrong.
I reckon you mentioned "awesome landscapes graphics and sound effects in the open wild", but still, your conception of "loving a game" is... strange.
If I thought ESO was as bad as you - and many other forum posters - describe it, I certainly would quit playing immediately.

RazielSR

No, don't ever add these into the game.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

You know. This post is quite quite amazing.

The post you were referring to is not "amazing". It's full of factually wrong arguments.
Unfortunately, that makes your post irrelevant.

For me it is. Mainly because shows up the real p2w mask they are using since b2p. That mask that a lot of people dont or dont want to see. And because me and others talked about this a long time ago and we were called (but here I am paying subscription and those so called fans jumped to another game and some of them selling their accounts).

And well,regarding my post...can be as relevant as a post in a forum can be. You lost some of your time reading it and judging it so thats it.

anitajoneb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

RazielSR wrote: »

For me it is. Mainly because shows up the real p2w mask they are using since b2p.

It shows nothing : it's just objectively, factually wrong. False. Invalid.

RazielSR wrote: »

those so called fans jumped to another game and some of them selling their accounts).

Proof ? I bet not. You're again throwing words out of thin air.

RazielSR

No, don't ever add these into the game.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

For me it is. Mainly because shows up the real p2w mask they are using since b2p.

It shows nothing : it's just objectively, factually wrong. False. Invalid.

RazielSR wrote: »

those so called fans jumped to another game and some of them selling their accounts).

Proof ? I bet not. You're again throwing words out of thin air.

No,Im not lying and Im not gonna proof such things here as you may understand.

And the post I quoted is not false. Is you being blind not me being a liar. But its ok,it is exactly what I was talking about and you are acting the same way many people acted against me and others.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Of course we love the game, otherwise why complain at all, then we would just let go and play something else. And no, I have another game to go to, which I play since 2008 and am still playing now - EVE online, which has never disappointed me so far.

The problem with ESO was already described by Angry Joe at launch - painfully average - on one side it is a great game and on the other side it is so awfully bug ridden at times - just look at what a disaster it was on Xbox and PS4 for quite a while - and especially in the last few months costumes and armor are more often than not awfully crafted - things which should never happen with an AAA game. And this discrepancy between awesomeness on one side (landscape graphics and sound effects in the open wild are awesome) and dilettantism on the other makes it to something what Angry Joe described as "painfully average" - and now with these RNG boxes the game is again loosing niveaux and this is just painful among other things.

And just because most other games are not better ethic-wise, does not make this one more acceptable - wrong is wrong.

So... you "love" a game which is, by your own words, "painfully average", "awfully bug-ridden", with "items more often than not awfully crafted", not at the level of an AAA game, and run by a company that is, ethic-wise, flat out wrong.
I reckon you mentioned "awesome landscapes graphics and sound effects in the open wild", but still, your conception of "loving a game" is... strange.
If I thought ESO was as bad as you - and many other forum posters - describe it, I certainly would quit playing immediately.

I will try to explain it with a metaphor. That is like being castaway on an island and there is only one other human being on that island - you either get along with it or you don't. Now this person is not unfamiliar to you, but you know it for (in my case) 13 years already, even it was different in the past. It was more exciting in former years, more appealing, but the changed personality of that person is still familiar enough, to still feel the attraction and the love which build up in years. So you stick with it, there is anyway no alternative on this island and you still love that person, even it is getting more and more weird and flaws and attitude start to outweight those features, which made you love that person in the first place.

It is this kind of love, which lets you stick with something or someone, DESPITE the problems and issues you have with it. That is not strange, that is what love is all about. A "love" which is just build on all the pleasant features of someone is not love, but infatuation and it will cease within 3-4 years. To have to put up with issues of the other is normal to a degree, but ... and here is the but ... when those issues become increasingly painful and the person is not willing to change, whilst the pleasant sides decrease at the same time in intensity and frequency in an alarming rate, then it's time to call it quit. This is just a bit hard on an island with no other alternative. So you stick around a while longer than you normally would, hoping that a miracle will happen and that person comes to it's mind again. In the end you have been in love for so long and you somewhat still are in love ... but it is not unconditional love, especially not when the other becomes abusive.

I know you are probably just baiting - but I explained it nevertheless. If you will continue to do so, I will no longer react to it.

anitajoneb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

RazielSR wrote: »

And the post I quoted is not false.

It is false. I explained that in a long detailed post, with facts. Refer to that post.

Avenias

Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmetics

U guys are assuming loot box= pay to win, or a step towards p2w. Its not cos u get only cosmetic items

RazielSR

No, don't ever add these into the game.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

And the post I quoted is not false.

It is false. I explained that in a long detailed post, with facts. Refer to that post.

I think you should drink a tea or smt anyway and calm down a bit XD