Blackbird71 wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »catsgomeow wrote: »The thing about rng boxes some people might not know about is the history of them throughout the mmorpg scene, they have followed the same path in almost every mmo that has introduced them without fail and i dont see why eso would be any different, they only start out cosmetic only, then its exclusive items then it gets into the realm of pay to win then outright pay to win.
I heard EXACTLY the same 18 months ago on the B2P (Tamriel Unlimited) annoucement : ESO was 100% doomed to become P2W before you know it. Yet 18 months later there's still not an ounce of P2W in ESO.
So sorry, but I don't buy it at all. Crown Crates are NOT compelled to make ESO P2W.
Do you really not see the irony in that statement? You are claiming that those who said the game would become P2W were wrong, yet here we are witnessing the next step on the path to P2W being laid out right before our eyes. No one said it would happen instantly, but rather the opposite, that it is a slow and steady progression which the game is continuously moving towards.
So your argument is "We weren't over reacting before because the game is going to become P2W any day now after this just you wait!"
*grin*
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It'll automatically be added if you don't already own it.@ZOS_GinaBruno What if I get something I really DON'T like but I don't have it in my collection? Would I have the possibility to exchange it for gems, or it added to your collection automatically?There will be a separate section in the Crown Store where you can spend your Crown Gems, which will contain a special selection of items - it won't include every item from the Crown Store. Items will also be rotated occasionally so it won't be the same things all the time.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Thanks for your thoughts on the upcoming Crown Crates, everyone. Just want to clarify a few points -
First, Crown Crates will be available later this year, and will only include cosmetic or convenience items. You'll find things like potions and other consumables, pets, costumes, and - yes - sometimes even mounts. This will give you a chance to try and obtain previous limited time offers, or even some very unique items as Matt mentioned. It will not include things like armor or weapons.
In the event you get an item that you already own, you can exchange it for a currency called Crown Gems which will allow you to buy a different item of your choice.
Does this mean there will be a separate store for merchandise ONLY available in the Crown Crates with Crown Gems as the currency instead of regular ole Crown's? For example, if I get enough duplicates where I have around 3k Crown Gems, do I open up a separate store with nothing but the items in the Crown Crates, find the Ultra Rare Mount I've been trying to get but haven't gotten, and buy it right there with all the Crown Gems I've assembled from selling back my duplicates?
antihero727 wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It'll automatically be added if you don't already own it.@ZOS_GinaBruno What if I get something I really DON'T like but I don't have it in my collection? Would I have the possibility to exchange it for gems, or it added to your collection automatically?There will be a separate section in the Crown Store where you can spend your Crown Gems, which will contain a special selection of items - it won't include every item from the Crown Store. Items will also be rotated occasionally so it won't be the same things all the time.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Thanks for your thoughts on the upcoming Crown Crates, everyone. Just want to clarify a few points -
First, Crown Crates will be available later this year, and will only include cosmetic or convenience items. You'll find things like potions and other consumables, pets, costumes, and - yes - sometimes even mounts. This will give you a chance to try and obtain previous limited time offers, or even some very unique items as Matt mentioned. It will not include things like armor or weapons.
In the event you get an item that you already own, you can exchange it for a currency called Crown Gems which will allow you to buy a different item of your choice.
Does this mean there will be a separate store for merchandise ONLY available in the Crown Crates with Crown Gems as the currency instead of regular ole Crown's? For example, if I get enough duplicates where I have around 3k Crown Gems, do I open up a separate store with nothing but the items in the Crown Crates, find the Ultra Rare Mount I've been trying to get but haven't gotten, and buy it right there with all the Crown Gems I've assembled from selling back my duplicates?
The question was which form of crown's give the crown store random box exclusive items & mounts? Is it crown gems or normal crowns?
This makes little sense. I doubt they will be able to attract many new players. If they haven't picked it up now, One Tamriel isn't going to do that. I've tried to get friends, family, and co workers to play this game. I haven't succeeded with a single one. It's the players playing now that they should be trying to keep. There new direction isn't likely to satisfy long term elder scrolls fans or mmo players.There is another interesting article out there on WCCF Tech...
There were some MAJOR announcements in there. First and foremost, One Tamriel is primarily being introduced to attract NEW players...
"So you believe it will have a strong appeal to players.
Yes, especially new players."
Anyone thought about Cross-Play... it's NOT HAPPENING.
"Lately there’s been a trend of bringing online communities together through cross-play. Is that something you’re evaluating for Elder Scrolls Online?
That is not a technical issue, it’s a business issue. We’re on different platforms and each partner has its own ideas on which groups they want their players to be with. It’s easier for everyone if they’re just in separate communities, that’s just the way it is for now."
How about DX12... NOT HAPPENING 'for now'.
"Speaking about the PC version, a while back in a Twitch livestream it was mentioned that Zenimax would be working on DirectX 12. Is that still being worked on?
We’re DX11 now and for the range of PCs that we have to support around the world, that’s the right decision for us. When you go to DirectX 12 there are restrictions, we’re good where we are for now."
I have to disagree about not bringing in new players in terms of One Tamriel. Being able to go anywhere at any level is kind of a huge deal, and very unique in MMO's. I also disagree regarding Elder Scrolls fans. We've always had an open world where you could go anywhere, this game's inception actually broke expectations by not being open. One Tamriel is a change that people have been requesting for basically forever, with the only real naysayers being certain RP types who drank the faction kool-aid. The rest of us RPers are loving the idea. ;-) Sure makes cross-faction events easier, too.
The thing about this patch that I DO imagine might be bad for attracting new players is the gambling boxes. The MMO community as a whole seems to be entirely sick of that model. ZOS' marketing folks have tried dressing it up real pretty, and to their credit they've still kept out the b2w content, but it's not like that's the only problem with the model. When it comes down to it, people who love the game aren't going to be able to support it as much because there's going to be less legitimate Crown Store content. I like the different mounts and costumes and pets they've come out with, but I've had no need for any consumable items. I'm not going to start buying gambling boxes for random consumables just so I can gamble on a really cool mount, and it seems like a lot of other players are in the same boat.
Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »The interview at MMORPG.com basically shows how ZOS views our opinions on this. Its "baseless fear". So he and ZOS isnt taking any of this seriously. We'll all fall in line once we see how great it is.
Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »The interview at MMORPG.com basically shows how ZOS views our opinions on this. Its "baseless fear". So he and ZOS isnt taking any of this seriously. We'll all fall in line once we see how great it is.
These people have zero business ethics, so this sort of response is to be expected. $$ are more important than common decency.
If you win an item, what you already have in your collection, you get Crown Gems - not crowns - but just if you have this item already. If you do not have it, it will be added to your collection instead, if you want it or not - this is your win then.
SilentRaven1972 wrote: »If you win an item, what you already have in your collection, you get Crown Gems - not crowns - but just if you have this item already. If you do not have it, it will be added to your collection instead, if you want it or not - this is your win then.
And that makes it worse. If I had wanted that costume/pet/consumable, I would have bought it outright. I run mostly Khajiit characters. They DO NOT look good in skimpy outfits or certain other outfits. It's not who they are, so I never bought those items. I buy what I like, what works, and what suits my characters. I have multiple mounts, even if I only use some once or twice a year. I'm not willing to gamble getting junk I don't need or want for a chance at something that does suit my characters. If I can't buy it outright, I don't buy at all.
Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »The interview at MMORPG.com basically shows how ZOS views our opinions on this. Its "baseless fear". So he and ZOS isnt taking any of this seriously. We'll all fall in line once we see how great it is.
In the article on mmorpg he says they include the consumables your probably already buying. Does anyone actually buy these? The only ones I can see people buying are the xp scrolls. Not even those when you hit cp cap or can get crafted ones. It seems Matt is trying really hard to justify these. So hard that I don't believe that their intent is to do no harm. These in other games were by design created to do just that.starkerealm wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »The interview at MMORPG.com basically shows how ZOS views our opinions on this. Its "baseless fear". So he and ZOS isnt taking any of this seriously. We'll all fall in line once we see how great it is.
Honestly, I've got to love his, "do no harm," line. Really? Do no harm, while marketing a business model directly designed to prey upon people with impulse control issues.
Now, I understand that's not his intent, but it is why the games he's copying used lucky bags in the first place. I really don't think Matt Firor is trying to exploit the players. But, he's simply copying a design element that was developed by far less ethical designers, who realized they could exploit their player base this way.
In the article on mmorpg he says they include the consumables your probably already buying. Does anyone actually buy these? The only ones I can see people buying are the xp scrolls. Not even those when you hit cp cap or can get crafted ones. It seems Matt is trying really hard to justify these. So hard that I don't believe that their intent is to do no harm. These in other games were by design created to do just that.starkerealm wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »The interview at MMORPG.com basically shows how ZOS views our opinions on this. Its "baseless fear". So he and ZOS isnt taking any of this seriously. We'll all fall in line once we see how great it is.
Honestly, I've got to love his, "do no harm," line. Really? Do no harm, while marketing a business model directly designed to prey upon people with impulse control issues.
Now, I understand that's not his intent, but it is why the games he's copying used lucky bags in the first place. I really don't think Matt Firor is trying to exploit the players. But, he's simply copying a design element that was developed by far less ethical designers, who realized they could exploit their player base this way.
SilentRaven1972 wrote: »If you win an item, what you already have in your collection, you get Crown Gems - not crowns - but just if you have this item already. If you do not have it, it will be added to your collection instead, if you want it or not - this is your win then.
And that makes it worse. If I had wanted that costume/pet/consumable, I would have bought it outright. I run mostly Khajiit characters. They DO NOT look good in skimpy outfits or certain other outfits. It's not who they are, so I never bought those items. I buy what I like, what works, and what suits my characters. I have multiple mounts, even if I only use some once or twice a year. I'm not willing to gamble getting junk I don't need or want for a chance at something that does suit my characters. If I can't buy it outright, I don't buy at all.
ohh that would be so sweet:) then they can pay the ridiculous cost for a race change !! and how is this not a win win situation for ZOS and ppl still look at it and go OHHHHHH SHINNY!!SilentRaven1972 wrote: »If you win an item, what you already have in your collection, you get Crown Gems - not crowns - but just if you have this item already. If you do not have it, it will be added to your collection instead, if you want it or not - this is your win then.
And that makes it worse. If I had wanted that costume/pet/consumable, I would have bought it outright. I run mostly Khajiit characters. They DO NOT look good in skimpy outfits or certain other outfits. It's not who they are, so I never bought those items. I buy what I like, what works, and what suits my characters. I have multiple mounts, even if I only use some once or twice a year. I'm not willing to gamble getting junk I don't need or want for a chance at something that does suit my characters. If I can't buy it outright, I don't buy at all.
Now guess how happy someone will be, who plays just male characters and wins all the female costumes for thousands of boxes bought.
In the article on mmorpg he says they include the consumables your probably already buying. Does anyone actually buy these? The only ones I can see people buying are the xp scrolls. Not even those when you hit cp cap or can get crafted ones. It seems Matt is trying really hard to justify these. So hard that I don't believe that their intent is to do no harm. These in other games were by design created to do just that.starkerealm wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »The interview at MMORPG.com basically shows how ZOS views our opinions on this. Its "baseless fear". So he and ZOS isnt taking any of this seriously. We'll all fall in line once we see how great it is.
Honestly, I've got to love his, "do no harm," line. Really? Do no harm, while marketing a business model directly designed to prey upon people with impulse control issues.
Now, I understand that's not his intent, but it is why the games he's copying used lucky bags in the first place. I really don't think Matt Firor is trying to exploit the players. But, he's simply copying a design element that was developed by far less ethical designers, who realized they could exploit their player base this way.
starkerealm wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »The interview at MMORPG.com basically shows how ZOS views our opinions on this. Its "baseless fear". So he and ZOS isnt taking any of this seriously. We'll all fall in line once we see how great it is.
Honestly, I've got to love his, "do no harm," line. Really? Do no harm, while marketing a business model directly designed to prey upon people with impulse control issues.
Now, I understand that's not his intent, but it is why the games he's copying used lucky bags in the first place. I really don't think Matt Firor is trying to exploit the players. But, he's simply copying a design element that was developed by far less ethical designers, who realized they could exploit their player base this way.
starkerealm wrote: »@snakester320, we can do that too. No reason we can't, also, point out that this is a horrible idea across the board.
jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Hand_Bacon wrote: »Not exactly you pay for a pack of x amount of cards, you receive x amount of cards, contract complete... law ends.
I think that's where people are getting tripped up a little. You aren't purchasing a chance of loot, you are purchasing loot. Just like the cards, you don't know what loot is inside, but there is loot. Contract still complete regardless of what the buyer is hoping to get out of the crate.
exactly...... kinder eggs anyone?
Kinder Egg never started as just chocolate then charged people for a "chance" of getting chocolate xD
i used to give my kids a little bit of money so they could buy a couple kinder eggs each. they weren't that interested in the chocolate - just the toys inside. they had a collection of them.... always excited to open them because they never new what they would get....
My dad used to buy me Kinder Eggs as a treat. I loved them so much. Got some great toys from them too! My favourite being an Uncle Scrooge figure from DuckTales that I still have to this very day.
Now guess how happy someone will be, who plays just male characters and wins all the female costumes for thousands of boxes bought.
notimetocare wrote: »Wonder how many of the naysayers sub...
notimetocare wrote: »Wonder how many of the naysayers sub...
A lot, because they are not afraid of paying money for services, they are just not stupid enough to fall for RNG boxes.
notimetocare wrote: »Wonder how many of the naysayers sub...
A lot, because they are not afraid of paying money for services, they are just not stupid enough to fall for RNG boxes.