What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Xsorus wrote: »

Blackbird71 wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

catsgomeow wrote: »

The thing about rng boxes some people might not know about is the history of them throughout the mmorpg scene, they have followed the same path in almost every mmo that has introduced them without fail and i dont see why eso would be any different, they only start out cosmetic only, then its exclusive items then it gets into the realm of pay to win then outright pay to win.

I heard EXACTLY the same 18 months ago on the B2P (Tamriel Unlimited) annoucement : ESO was 100% doomed to become P2W before you know it. Yet 18 months later there's still not an ounce of P2W in ESO.
So sorry, but I don't buy it at all. Crown Crates are NOT compelled to make ESO P2W.

Do you really not see the irony in that statement? You are claiming that those who said the game would become P2W were wrong, yet here we are witnessing the next step on the path to P2W being laid out right before our eyes. No one said it would happen instantly, but rather the opposite, that it is a slow and steady progression which the game is continuously moving towards.

So your argument is "We weren't over reacting before because the game is going to become P2W any day now after this just you wait!"

*grin*

"LF Julianos crafter!"

Oh, wait.

antihero727

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Delpi wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno What if I get something I really DON'T like but I don't have it in my collection? Would I have the possibility to exchange it for gems, or it added to your collection automatically?

It'll automatically be added if you don't already own it.

Auroan wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for your thoughts on the upcoming Crown Crates, everyone. Just want to clarify a few points -

First, Crown Crates will be available later this year, and will only include cosmetic or convenience items. You'll find things like potions and other consumables, pets, costumes, and - yes - sometimes even mounts. This will give you a chance to try and obtain previous limited time offers, or even some very unique items as Matt mentioned. It will not include things like armor or weapons.

In the event you get an item that you already own, you can exchange it for a currency called Crown Gems which will allow you to buy a different item of your choice.

Does this mean there will be a separate store for merchandise ONLY available in the Crown Crates with Crown Gems as the currency instead of regular ole Crown's? For example, if I get enough duplicates where I have around 3k Crown Gems, do I open up a separate store with nothing but the items in the Crown Crates, find the Ultra Rare Mount I've been trying to get but haven't gotten, and buy it right there with all the Crown Gems I've assembled from selling back my duplicates?

There will be a separate section in the Crown Store where you can spend your Crown Gems, which will contain a special selection of items - it won't include every item from the Crown Store. Items will also be rotated occasionally so it won't be the same things all the time.

The question was which form of crown's give the crown store random box exclusive items & mounts? Is it crown gems or normal crowns?

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

antihero727 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Delpi wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno What if I get something I really DON'T like but I don't have it in my collection? Would I have the possibility to exchange it for gems, or it added to your collection automatically?

It'll automatically be added if you don't already own it.

Auroan wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for your thoughts on the upcoming Crown Crates, everyone. Just want to clarify a few points -

First, Crown Crates will be available later this year, and will only include cosmetic or convenience items. You'll find things like potions and other consumables, pets, costumes, and - yes - sometimes even mounts. This will give you a chance to try and obtain previous limited time offers, or even some very unique items as Matt mentioned. It will not include things like armor or weapons.

In the event you get an item that you already own, you can exchange it for a currency called Crown Gems which will allow you to buy a different item of your choice.

Does this mean there will be a separate store for merchandise ONLY available in the Crown Crates with Crown Gems as the currency instead of regular ole Crown's? For example, if I get enough duplicates where I have around 3k Crown Gems, do I open up a separate store with nothing but the items in the Crown Crates, find the Ultra Rare Mount I've been trying to get but haven't gotten, and buy it right there with all the Crown Gems I've assembled from selling back my duplicates?

There will be a separate section in the Crown Store where you can spend your Crown Gems, which will contain a special selection of items - it won't include every item from the Crown Store. Items will also be rotated occasionally so it won't be the same things all the time.

The question was which form of crown's give the crown store random box exclusive items & mounts? Is it crown gems or normal crowns?

If you win an item, what you already have in your collection, you get Crown Gems - not crowns - but just if you have this item already. If you do not have it, it will be added to your collection instead, if you want it or not - this is your win then.

Dromede

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Recremen wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

There is another interesting article out there on WCCF Tech...

There were some MAJOR announcements in there. First and foremost, One Tamriel is primarily being introduced to attract NEW players...
"So you believe it will have a strong appeal to players.

Yes, especially new players."

Anyone thought about Cross-Play... it's NOT HAPPENING.

"Lately there’s been a trend of bringing online communities together through cross-play. Is that something you’re evaluating for Elder Scrolls Online?

That is not a technical issue, it’s a business issue. We’re on different platforms and each partner has its own ideas on which groups they want their players to be with. It’s easier for everyone if they’re just in separate communities, that’s just the way it is for now."

How about DX12... NOT HAPPENING 'for now'.

"Speaking about the PC version, a while back in a Twitch livestream it was mentioned that Zenimax would be working on DirectX 12. Is that still being worked on?

We’re DX11 now and for the range of PCs that we have to support around the world, that’s the right decision for us. When you go to DirectX 12 there are restrictions, we’re good where we are for now."

This makes little sense. I doubt they will be able to attract many new players. If they haven't picked it up now, One Tamriel isn't going to do that. I've tried to get friends, family, and co workers to play this game. I haven't succeeded with a single one. It's the players playing now that they should be trying to keep. There new direction isn't likely to satisfy long term elder scrolls fans or mmo players.

I have to disagree about not bringing in new players in terms of One Tamriel. Being able to go anywhere at any level is kind of a huge deal, and very unique in MMO's. I also disagree regarding Elder Scrolls fans. We've always had an open world where you could go anywhere, this game's inception actually broke expectations by not being open. One Tamriel is a change that people have been requesting for basically forever, with the only real naysayers being certain RP types who drank the faction kool-aid. The rest of us RPers are loving the idea. ;-) Sure makes cross-faction events easier, too.

The thing about this patch that I DO imagine might be bad for attracting new players is the gambling boxes. The MMO community as a whole seems to be entirely sick of that model. ZOS' marketing folks have tried dressing it up real pretty, and to their credit they've still kept out the b2w content, but it's not like that's the only problem with the model. When it comes down to it, people who love the game aren't going to be able to support it as much because there's going to be less legitimate Crown Store content. I like the different mounts and costumes and pets they've come out with, but I've had no need for any consumable items. I'm not going to start buying gambling boxes for random consumables just so I can gamble on a really cool mount, and it seems like a lot of other players are in the same boat.

Wait till they make consumables desirable by making them at least equal with bis crafted ones - and i'm pretty sure that players will even ask for that once the crates hit the store. And then there will be ' you asked for it, and you've been heard'.

>_<

Korah_Eaglecry

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

The interview at MMORPG.com basically shows how ZOS views our opinions on this. Its "baseless fear". So he and ZOS isnt taking any of this seriously. We'll all fall in line once we see how great it is.

jeevin

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

The interview at MMORPG.com basically shows how ZOS views our opinions on this. Its "baseless fear". So he and ZOS isnt taking any of this seriously. We'll all fall in line once we see how great it is.

These people have zero business ethics, so this sort of response is to be expected. $$ are more important than common decency.

FireCowCommando

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jeevin wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

The interview at MMORPG.com basically shows how ZOS views our opinions on this. Its "baseless fear". So he and ZOS isnt taking any of this seriously. We'll all fall in line once we see how great it is.

These people have zero business ethics, so this sort of response is to be expected. $$ are more important than common decency.

Its amusing to watch MF try to sell it as an over reaction, most of the players in ESO are adults with functioning brains.

Seeing past the salesman perspective is easy, still waiting to see MF the game developer rear his head.

SilentRaven1972

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

If you win an item, what you already have in your collection, you get Crown Gems - not crowns - but just if you have this item already. If you do not have it, it will be added to your collection instead, if you want it or not - this is your win then.

And that makes it worse. If I had wanted that costume/pet/consumable, I would have bought it outright. I run mostly Khajiit characters. They DO NOT look good in skimpy outfits or certain other outfits. It's not who they are, so I never bought those items. I buy what I like, what works, and what suits my characters. I have multiple mounts, even if I only use some once or twice a year. I'm not willing to gamble getting junk I don't need or want for a chance at something that does suit my characters. If I can't buy it outright, I don't buy at all.

Dahveed

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Wow, I know it's probably still a relatively small sample size, but so far I'm seeing 83% of all voters who either don't want to see the boxes AT ALL, or only want them to contain purely cosmetic stuff.

That should tell you something Zenimax!

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

SilentRaven1972 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

If you win an item, what you already have in your collection, you get Crown Gems - not crowns - but just if you have this item already. If you do not have it, it will be added to your collection instead, if you want it or not - this is your win then.

And that makes it worse. If I had wanted that costume/pet/consumable, I would have bought it outright. I run mostly Khajiit characters. They DO NOT look good in skimpy outfits or certain other outfits. It's not who they are, so I never bought those items. I buy what I like, what works, and what suits my characters. I have multiple mounts, even if I only use some once or twice a year. I'm not willing to gamble getting junk I don't need or want for a chance at something that does suit my characters. If I can't buy it outright, I don't buy at all.

Ironically, if you could scrap unwanted items into gems on the spot, it would go a long way towards making this system more palatable. But, of course, they don't want to do that, because it would mean one less box sale for them.

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

The interview at MMORPG.com basically shows how ZOS views our opinions on this. Its "baseless fear". So he and ZOS isnt taking any of this seriously. We'll all fall in line once we see how great it is.

Honestly, I've got to love his, "do no harm," line. Really? Do no harm, while marketing a business model directly designed to prey upon people with impulse control issues.

Now, I understand that's not his intent, but it is why the games he's copying used lucky bags in the first place. I really don't think Matt Firor is trying to exploit the players. But, he's simply copying a design element that was developed by far less ethical designers, who realized they could exploit their player base this way.

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

starkerealm wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

The interview at MMORPG.com basically shows how ZOS views our opinions on this. Its "baseless fear". So he and ZOS isnt taking any of this seriously. We'll all fall in line once we see how great it is.

Honestly, I've got to love his, "do no harm," line. Really? Do no harm, while marketing a business model directly designed to prey upon people with impulse control issues.

Now, I understand that's not his intent, but it is why the games he's copying used lucky bags in the first place. I really don't think Matt Firor is trying to exploit the players. But, he's simply copying a design element that was developed by far less ethical designers, who realized they could exploit their player base this way.

In the article on mmorpg he says they include the consumables your probably already buying. Does anyone actually buy these? The only ones I can see people buying are the xp scrolls. Not even those when you hit cp cap or can get crafted ones. It seems Matt is trying really hard to justify these. So hard that I don't believe that their intent is to do no harm. These in other games were by design created to do just that.

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

JimT722 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

The interview at MMORPG.com basically shows how ZOS views our opinions on this. Its "baseless fear". So he and ZOS isnt taking any of this seriously. We'll all fall in line once we see how great it is.

Honestly, I've got to love his, "do no harm," line. Really? Do no harm, while marketing a business model directly designed to prey upon people with impulse control issues.

Now, I understand that's not his intent, but it is why the games he's copying used lucky bags in the first place. I really don't think Matt Firor is trying to exploit the players. But, he's simply copying a design element that was developed by far less ethical designers, who realized they could exploit their player base this way.

In the article on mmorpg he says they include the consumables your probably already buying. Does anyone actually buy these? The only ones I can see people buying are the xp scrolls. Not even those when you hit cp cap or can get crafted ones. It seems Matt is trying really hard to justify these. So hard that I don't believe that their intent is to do no harm. These in other games were by design created to do just that.

Honestly, I'm entirely willing to apply Hanlon's Razor, in this specific case.

jeevin

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MMORPG: How can you alleviate the concerns that players have expressed?
MF: I think the most common concern is that this is a slippery slope that will lead to monetization chaos and pay-to-win. However, since almost all of the items in Crown Crates are already in the Crown Store to begin with (with the exception of the unique mounts and customization items), that is a baseless fear. Our #1 mantra for virtual currency monetization is “do no harm” – meaning, don’t rock the boat by introducing items into the game that directly influence player power. This is a core design philosophy for the game, and we are not changing it by introducing Crown Crates.
I think it is worth noting that much of this same commentary was expressed when we initially announced the Crown Store back in 2015 – slippery slope, pay-to-win, etc. – there was lots of fear then that was alleviated once players got a chance to see it and try it out for themselves.

MF needs to actually read this thread. Seriously NFI

ThanatosLex

Zenimax will have a license to operate lotteries? In our country operate a lottery without a license illegal. Especially for foreign companies

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

best thing to do is just boycott there bullsh.t and watch ZOS squirm when there little system fails!! the prob is flash something shinny in front of ppl and they throw money at it.. cant wait to LAUGH at all the threads that pop up from supporters that spend 10000+ crowns on boxes to get hardly anything... crying like babys because they have been ripped and fooled big time!!

Tyrion87

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Clearly there is a huge difference between how do the players see that and what is the devs' intention (naivety) with regard to these boxes.

Devs explain: you can now buy your beloved consumables, which you already buy in the crown store, but in a different way - locked in the boxes and hey! Now you even have a chance to get some cooler goodies! (but I rather find them lying about the true purpose of these boxes and what M. Firor said about them is just a poor excuse).

So @ZOS_MattFiror let me explain you: people will be buying these crates not for the consumables, but they will be gambling/trying to get a particular (a single one) collectible they want! Consumables will be like trash we get, doing the dungeons and farming a particular monster helmet that we want.

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

@snakester320, we can do that too. No reason we can't, also, point out that this is a horrible idea across the board.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

SilentRaven1972 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

If you win an item, what you already have in your collection, you get Crown Gems - not crowns - but just if you have this item already. If you do not have it, it will be added to your collection instead, if you want it or not - this is your win then.

And that makes it worse. If I had wanted that costume/pet/consumable, I would have bought it outright. I run mostly Khajiit characters. They DO NOT look good in skimpy outfits or certain other outfits. It's not who they are, so I never bought those items. I buy what I like, what works, and what suits my characters. I have multiple mounts, even if I only use some once or twice a year. I'm not willing to gamble getting junk I don't need or want for a chance at something that does suit my characters. If I can't buy it outright, I don't buy at all.

Now guess how happy someone will be, who plays just male characters and wins all the female costumes for thousands of boxes bought.

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

SilentRaven1972 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

If you win an item, what you already have in your collection, you get Crown Gems - not crowns - but just if you have this item already. If you do not have it, it will be added to your collection instead, if you want it or not - this is your win then.

And that makes it worse. If I had wanted that costume/pet/consumable, I would have bought it outright. I run mostly Khajiit characters. They DO NOT look good in skimpy outfits or certain other outfits. It's not who they are, so I never bought those items. I buy what I like, what works, and what suits my characters. I have multiple mounts, even if I only use some once or twice a year. I'm not willing to gamble getting junk I don't need or want for a chance at something that does suit my characters. If I can't buy it outright, I don't buy at all.

Now guess how happy someone will be, who plays just male characters and wins all the female costumes for thousands of boxes bought.

ohh that would be so sweet:) then they can pay the ridiculous cost for a race change !! and how is this not a win win situation for ZOS and ppl still look at it and go OHHHHHH SHINNY!!

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

JimT722 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

The interview at MMORPG.com basically shows how ZOS views our opinions on this. Its "baseless fear". So he and ZOS isnt taking any of this seriously. We'll all fall in line once we see how great it is.

Honestly, I've got to love his, "do no harm," line. Really? Do no harm, while marketing a business model directly designed to prey upon people with impulse control issues.

Now, I understand that's not his intent, but it is why the games he's copying used lucky bags in the first place. I really don't think Matt Firor is trying to exploit the players. But, he's simply copying a design element that was developed by far less ethical designers, who realized they could exploit their player base this way.

In the article on mmorpg he says they include the consumables your probably already buying. Does anyone actually buy these? The only ones I can see people buying are the xp scrolls. Not even those when you hit cp cap or can get crafted ones. It seems Matt is trying really hard to justify these. So hard that I don't believe that their intent is to do no harm. These in other games were by design created to do just that.

It's this kind of "honesty"



Doesn't do any harm, even doctors smoke - this kind of "honesty" it is.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

starkerealm wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

The interview at MMORPG.com basically shows how ZOS views our opinions on this. Its "baseless fear". So he and ZOS isnt taking any of this seriously. We'll all fall in line once we see how great it is.

Honestly, I've got to love his, "do no harm," line. Really? Do no harm, while marketing a business model directly designed to prey upon people with impulse control issues.

Now, I understand that's not his intent, but it is why the games he's copying used lucky bags in the first place. I really don't think Matt Firor is trying to exploit the players. But, he's simply copying a design element that was developed by far less ethical designers, who realized they could exploit their player base this way.

Now this would render him "naive", if he is just copying it and does not know how it works and what it's purpose is. I think they know exactly what they are doing and like all who deal with addictive stuff, they will tell everyone that it is harmless and just fun to enjoy.

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

starkerealm wrote: »

@snakester320, we can do that too. No reason we can't, also, point out that this is a horrible idea across the board.

Look i couldnt agree more but the simple fact is ZOS has pulled there finger out( couldnt do the same with the bugs and issues but when its ripping more money of customers the finger gets pulled out real quick) and this is going to happen no amount of pointing out to customers will change the ones who are so blind to see what this will do and what it WILL become if ppl blindly support this!!

Marrtha

No, don't ever add these into the game.

JD2013 wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

elvenmad wrote: »

Not exactly you pay for a pack of x amount of cards, you receive x amount of cards, contract complete... law ends.

I think that's where people are getting tripped up a little. You aren't purchasing a chance of loot, you are purchasing loot. Just like the cards, you don't know what loot is inside, but there is loot. Contract still complete regardless of what the buyer is hoping to get out of the crate.

exactly...... kinder eggs anyone?

Kinder Egg never started as just chocolate then charged people for a "chance" of getting chocolate xD

i used to give my kids a little bit of money so they could buy a couple kinder eggs each. they weren't that interested in the chocolate - just the toys inside. they had a collection of them.... always excited to open them because they never new what they would get....

My dad used to buy me Kinder Eggs as a treat. I loved them so much. Got some great toys from them too! My favourite being an Uncle Scrooge figure from DuckTales that I still have to this very day.

I know this is off topic, but I had like 3 shoeboxes full of Kinder Surprise Eggs toys... I remember grandma buying those for both me and by brother, and we ourselves would dish out quite a bit to fill out different collections, especially the ones like Asterix and Obelix, because it was obviously characters we knew best. I still have some to this day, one being a vampire than hangs upside down on a lamp post, reading newspapers. Good old days. They are dear to my heart, but would I gamble and try to collect such things now that I am not 10 anymore? Doubt it... And when I'd have to pay for all of them myself? Don't think so.

Kendaric

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

Now guess how happy someone will be, who plays just male characters and wins all the female costumes for thousands of boxes bought.

This is precisely the situation I'm in. I play straight male characters exclusively, so I've absolutely no use for the female costumes and hence didn't buy them. On the other hand, I've bought almost every other costume that I liked, so if I'd choose to buy a box, chances are rather high that I'd end up with a female costume I neither need nor want cluttering up my collection.
Now, this wouldn't be a problem, if it weren't for those crown box-exclusive items. If other games are any indication, the items that are desirable will end as exclusives in the boxes and the less desirable ones will probably be sold directly for about a month.

AlienSlof

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I played Tera for a year and enjoyed it. Its vibrancy was a cheery splash in a very dark time in my life. I never - NEVER - bought any gamble boxes.

I then left Tera (too female biased) and moved onto Neverwinter, which I also enjoyed for about a year. Never bought their gamble boxes either, no matter how much I would have liked the rare thing inside. I got to see the occasional one following or being ridden, but I happily lived without.

Played ESO since beta and still enjoying it. I took 6 months out when it was still sub only and regret it for missing out on the tiger. Still, it's not the end of the world, and I get to see them in game anyway. I have a nice collection of mounts, pets and costumes to choose from, and while ever such items are offered, I will buy outright the ones I like to look at. It won't impact my enjoyment of the game.

ZOS: You can take your gamble RNG boxes and shove them up where the sun never shines.

I won't be buying any. I DON'T NEED the consumables, my master crafter and chef-cat can make better. I like to level in my own sweet time, thanks. I'm a retired older lady with time on my hands and a small amount of disposable income - which won't ever be spent on a gamble. Offer it straight up for a set price, then I might well say 'oooh shiny!' and buy it. I won't spend anything on a 'might get'.

Ever.

notimetocare

Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmetics

Wonder how many of the naysayers sub...

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

notimetocare wrote: »

Wonder how many of the naysayers sub...

A lot, because they are not afraid of paying money for services, they are just not stupid enough to fall for RNG boxes.

AlienSlof

No, don't ever add these into the game.

notimetocare wrote: »

Wonder how many of the naysayers sub...

Yes, I sub. I like my crafting bag of holding and freedom to dye myself whatever colour!

Lysette wrote: »

A lot, because they are not afraid of paying money for services, they are just not stupid enough to fall for RNG boxes.

^ For this reason. ^ I'm getting something definite in return. Not stuff I don't want in the hope of getting something rare and fancy. I don't gamble.

notimetocare

Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmetics

Lysette wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Wonder how many of the naysayers sub...

A lot, because they are not afraid of paying money for services, they are just not stupid enough to fall for RNG boxes.

Given my experience with Forum goers constantly mentioning that they refuse to sub I would actually think it's very little. I could be wrong but tell me how often do you see people saying they refused to sub?