What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Lumenn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

For me this doesn't seem to be just "i want that item" nor is it about people with gambling disorders. It's about having your faith in a company shaken. Many people have had their faith shaken a bit either due a (rare, and even touching in this cold age) concern for others and gambling addiction. Some are, as stated, in the "i want" area(not necessarily a bad trait. They are just not happy when a company changes the method of delivery). Some of us have seen this step many many times in other mmos, and fear Zos will invariably go down the same path as many other mmos that stated cosmetics only, then expand on it. For whatever personal reason, each has had their faith(if not broken) shaken a bit. I've seen quite a bit of "snarky" responses in this thread(calling someone's reason for being upset childish among the nicest of them) so I'm quite sure someone will tear this post apart too(let the children suffer? It's an adult game. Forget the laws in other countries? Get a grip on your gambling? Grow up and stop being childish? Is you feewings hurt? Let's see, did I miss any? Quite sure someone will let me know) for the record @Lysette and @Cazzy I may not agree with all of your reasons but I'd nominate you for sainthood for taking hits and still having patience.

Some people get attached to the game, the community, their friends, a way to spend an hour or two. If someone can't understand the million reasons why ANY of these people are upset then that's awesome. Just try to stay on track w/o belittling anyone unless you're trying to close the thread.

Drakoleon

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Zeni's RNG its synonym to disappointment ! How could i possibly trust and "gamble" REAL money to them?

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

The thing is, there are so many things coming, which could make them good money in a normal way, it does not have to be gambling boxes. Housing, furniture and decorations and all what is related to it is a market in itself, and so is fashion. costumes, skins, hairstyles. There are a lot of ways to make good money with quality products and people are willing to buy this stuff - so far we had to complain more about that not enough is in the crown store for us to buy than the other way round.

It is not that we are not willing to buy stuff, ZOS is just not offering enough quality items. They could make a good amount of money with fair and masterly crafted items - but instead they choose the easy way out and ruin their reputation with it even. So what, flush it out and down the drain into the sewer - who cares for reputation - money is king - that is so disgusting.

Kendaric

No, don't ever add these into the game.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I'm still against them because I think the strategy is cheap and lacks class and elegance.
But that doesn't change the fact that I can easily counter this cheap strategy by simply not buying the crown crates. I didn't understand why I was such a big issue for so many, since everyone has the same power as I have to simply not buy.
Now I understand why : it's because people want the exclusive stuff. And the stuff they missed previously.

Now I get it. I think wanting that stuff so badly, up to the point where someone could stop enjoying the game just for not having them, is quite childish, but that's just my opinion.

But... frankly... can you blame ZOS for wanting to make money, even more money, even as much money as possible, when people want something sooo badlyyyy ???

You are not quite correct...
The first issue I have with the boxes is that I can't preview an item to decide whether I want it or not. Furthermore, while we get gems in case of duplicates, there's no way to turn unwanted items into gems if they aren't already in your collection. So my collections will get cluttered up by stuff I never wanted, like female costumes, unwanted mounts or pets.
The second issue is that most future content will end up in the boxes to add an incentive to buying them. This means less stuff that makes it directly to the crown store and/or less time it will be in the store.

anitajoneb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lumenn wrote: »

It's about having your faith in a company shaken.

Faith in a company ???
A "company" is not a "person", it's a group of people among which power and influence and beliefs may vary. Besides, people within this group change : ESO's team has little to do with what it was three years ago. I can understand faith (or do you mean "trust" ? anyway, I can understand faith in god, persons, destiny, but faith in a company... ???

Also, ESO development started TEN YEARS AGO. That means TEN YEARS of office costs and salaries without any revenue for eight years. 8 years of pure investment. And that money couldn't have come all from Bethesda because it all started long before the huge Skyrim hit which brought millions to Beth. Therefore it's obvious that ZOS relies heavily on investors' decisions and under those circumstances, you can't have "faith" that theisr decision will not have financial profit as their primary goal. Unless you're extremely naive.

Eirella

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Sad to see the game going in this direction. The game was best when it was pay-to-play, and I knew it would go downhill as it moved to B2P.
I will not be buying any lottery boxes, I don't need any cosmetic item that badly. As soon as this game goes F2P (which I don't doubt it will,) or a better game comes out, I will most likely be moving on.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

And what bothers me even more is this special offer I got from ZOS - to buy a bunch of stuff from the crown store and gift it to others. I would have a couple of friends, where I know they would enjoy to have one or the other item, but they would never be able to afford it due to where they live and because they have more pressing issue in real life, like paying for a proper education. Due to these boxes I do not want to give ZOS any more money - and so I cannot gift stuff to those friends as well. I have just 2250 crowns left - I might buy the masked bear today and then that was it basically for the buying part - no further enjoyment can come out of this for me - just because of these damned boxes - a game ruined for me and it will make me angry anytime I see something, what I would want, but I cannot buy it, because I do not want to give ZOS any more money.

And this will make me leave at some point in the future - because I will be reminded of this every time I will see something what I cannot have without to support ZOS - and I do not want to support them any longer, if they are that abusive.

clayandaudrey_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Trying to say something on this forum is more like...

https://youtu.be/zDAmPIq29ro

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

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Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

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Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Paparoski wrote: »

I feel like something the people that voted "yes" don't understand, is that they might add items only available in the lock boxes and nowhere else.

So what ? As long as it's only cosmetics, anyone can live happily without it.
I don't understand this compulsive need to "have something".

You do realize that for some people, myself included, cosmetics are important, yes?

Important, yes. Doesn't mean you MUST have EVERYTHING and are helplessly FORCED to buy whatever ZOS puts in the game or in the store with whatever sales mechanism attached to it.

When a child looks at something in a store and WANTS it, it's the most important thing on earth in his opinion at that particular moment. Still, if his parents decide to not buy it, he'll have to deal with it.

Sometimes you can't get what you want.

You have every right to be p*ssed at ZOS but that doesn't change the fact that you don't HAVE to buy those boxes.

but it does seem that everyone opposed to the idea feels that they will be 'compelled' to buy them. i'm really not sure how, but hey....

I think it is more that one is used to that you can buy things you want in real life - well, with a few exceptions that is - to be able to buy the Enzo Ferrari or to own the black amexco is invitation only - but otherwise you can pretty much buy all you want. These crates put a stop to that and this is frustrating for those used to that they get what they want for their money straight away.

the key to contentment and, indeed, happiness is not having more....

I know that having more stuff and more money is not making any more happy - but to have money and not be able to buy something with it, what you want, is extremely annoying and does certainly not contribute to happiness, but in the contrary. Already to have to wait for something can be extremely annoying - I like the Ferarri F430 spider for example, but I would have to wait for 18 months to get one - well, screw them, I am not willing to wait that long, as sexy as this car looks, I do not want to wait for it. And those boxes give a similar unpleasant experience - especially with items, which are exclusive to them.

as long as you continue to focus on them the more dissatisfied you will be......

i used to get paid to give advice like this.

Money has no other purpose than to get what you want - if it cannot do that, why have it at all then?- It is a tool which is there to allow me, to do what comes to mind and have an exciting life. I have just this one life and I want to enjoy it - and anyone who is throwing a stone in my way and make it unpleasant - like these RNG boxes - will not find my goodwill for this - beside that those boxes are abusive and deceptive - that what is advertised is the most unlikely event to happen - Kai was there a bit more honest - it is basically buying random consumables - and the chance for more should be seen as an incentive at most. But that is not what people will do, they will not buy them for the consumables, but for the chance - and there is the problem.

for most people money is a means to an end for some it is an end in itself. either view is valid.

if people decided to buy random boxes to the exclusion of all else then there is a problem. how many people do you think are likely to do that?

to the exclusion of all else?- you mean obsessive behavior - this would be even a level higher - and to limit the problem to just obsessive behavior is trivializing it. It is far more diverse and there are problems on many levels, not just the obsessive one. The more problematic one is the entry level one - where people who are not into gambling at all, might be introduced to it and even fall for it by reasons which are originally not related to gambling - and there is the real problem which could actually effect a larger number of players.

that argument was raised in the uk when the national lottery was originally introduced. there is no evidence that it provided an 'entry level' to gambling.

Did the national lottery provide any "exclusive" stuff, which you could not get in any other way?- I guess not, so it is not comparable.

a multi-million pound win..... does that count as exclusive?

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Paparoski wrote: »

I feel like something the people that voted "yes" don't understand, is that they might add items only available in the lock boxes and nowhere else.

So what ? As long as it's only cosmetics, anyone can live happily without it.
I don't understand this compulsive need to "have something".

You do realize that for some people, myself included, cosmetics are important, yes?

Important, yes. Doesn't mean you MUST have EVERYTHING and are helplessly FORCED to buy whatever ZOS puts in the game or in the store with whatever sales mechanism attached to it.

When a child looks at something in a store and WANTS it, it's the most important thing on earth in his opinion at that particular moment. Still, if his parents decide to not buy it, he'll have to deal with it.

Sometimes you can't get what you want.

You have every right to be p*ssed at ZOS but that doesn't change the fact that you don't HAVE to buy those boxes.

but it does seem that everyone opposed to the idea feels that they will be 'compelled' to buy them. i'm really not sure how, but hey....

I think it is more that one is used to that you can buy things you want in real life - well, with a few exceptions that is - to be able to buy the Enzo Ferrari or to own the black amexco is invitation only - but otherwise you can pretty much buy all you want. These crates put a stop to that and this is frustrating for those used to that they get what they want for their money straight away.

the key to contentment and, indeed, happiness is not having more....

I know that having more stuff and more money is not making any more happy - but to have money and not be able to buy something with it, what you want, is extremely annoying and does certainly not contribute to happiness, but in the contrary. Already to have to wait for something can be extremely annoying - I like the Ferarri F430 spider for example, but I would have to wait for 18 months to get one - well, screw them, I am not willing to wait that long, as sexy as this car looks, I do not want to wait for it. And those boxes give a similar unpleasant experience - especially with items, which are exclusive to them.

as long as you continue to focus on them the more dissatisfied you will be......

i used to get paid to give advice like this.

Money has no other purpose than to get what you want - if it cannot do that, why have it at all then?- It is a tool which is there to allow me, to do what comes to mind and have an exciting life. I have just this one life and I want to enjoy it - and anyone who is throwing a stone in my way and make it unpleasant - like these RNG boxes - will not find my goodwill for this - beside that those boxes are abusive and deceptive - that what is advertised is the most unlikely event to happen - Kai was there a bit more honest - it is basically buying random consumables - and the chance for more should be seen as an incentive at most. But that is not what people will do, they will not buy them for the consumables, but for the chance - and there is the problem.

for most people money is a means to an end for some it is an end in itself. either view is valid.

if people decided to buy random boxes to the exclusion of all else then there is a problem. how many people do you think are likely to do that?

to the exclusion of all else?- you mean obsessive behavior - this would be even a level higher - and to limit the problem to just obsessive behavior is trivializing it. It is far more diverse and there are problems on many levels, not just the obsessive one. The more problematic one is the entry level one - where people who are not into gambling at all, might be introduced to it and even fall for it by reasons which are originally not related to gambling - and there is the real problem which could actually effect a larger number of players.

that argument was raised in the uk when the national lottery was originally introduced. there is no evidence that it provided an 'entry level' to gambling.

Did the national lottery provide any "exclusive" stuff, which you could not get in any other way?- I guess not, so it is not comparable.

a multi-million pound win..... does that count as exclusive?

No, anyone can have that - just marry a multi-millionaire ´They are quite common meanwhile, China has a million of those.

The thing is with a proper lottery they tell you how low the chances actually are - ZOS is not going to tell what little of a chance they will give us.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Paparoski wrote: »

I feel like something the people that voted "yes" don't understand, is that they might add items only available in the lock boxes and nowhere else.

So what ? As long as it's only cosmetics, anyone can live happily without it.
I don't understand this compulsive need to "have something".

You do realize that for some people, myself included, cosmetics are important, yes?

Important, yes. Doesn't mean you MUST have EVERYTHING and are helplessly FORCED to buy whatever ZOS puts in the game or in the store with whatever sales mechanism attached to it.

When a child looks at something in a store and WANTS it, it's the most important thing on earth in his opinion at that particular moment. Still, if his parents decide to not buy it, he'll have to deal with it.

Sometimes you can't get what you want.

You have every right to be p*ssed at ZOS but that doesn't change the fact that you don't HAVE to buy those boxes.

but it does seem that everyone opposed to the idea feels that they will be 'compelled' to buy them. i'm really not sure how, but hey....

I think it is more that one is used to that you can buy things you want in real life - well, with a few exceptions that is - to be able to buy the Enzo Ferrari or to own the black amexco is invitation only - but otherwise you can pretty much buy all you want. These crates put a stop to that and this is frustrating for those used to that they get what they want for their money straight away.

the key to contentment and, indeed, happiness is not having more....

I know that having more stuff and more money is not making any more happy - but to have money and not be able to buy something with it, what you want, is extremely annoying and does certainly not contribute to happiness, but in the contrary. Already to have to wait for something can be extremely annoying - I like the Ferarri F430 spider for example, but I would have to wait for 18 months to get one - well, screw them, I am not willing to wait that long, as sexy as this car looks, I do not want to wait for it. And those boxes give a similar unpleasant experience - especially with items, which are exclusive to them.

as long as you continue to focus on them the more dissatisfied you will be......

i used to get paid to give advice like this.

Money has no other purpose than to get what you want - if it cannot do that, why have it at all then?- It is a tool which is there to allow me, to do what comes to mind and have an exciting life. I have just this one life and I want to enjoy it - and anyone who is throwing a stone in my way and make it unpleasant - like these RNG boxes - will not find my goodwill for this - beside that those boxes are abusive and deceptive - that what is advertised is the most unlikely event to happen - Kai was there a bit more honest - it is basically buying random consumables - and the chance for more should be seen as an incentive at most. But that is not what people will do, they will not buy them for the consumables, but for the chance - and there is the problem.

for most people money is a means to an end for some it is an end in itself. either view is valid.

if people decided to buy random boxes to the exclusion of all else then there is a problem. how many people do you think are likely to do that?

to the exclusion of all else?- you mean obsessive behavior - this would be even a level higher - and to limit the problem to just obsessive behavior is trivializing it. It is far more diverse and there are problems on many levels, not just the obsessive one. The more problematic one is the entry level one - where people who are not into gambling at all, might be introduced to it and even fall for it by reasons which are originally not related to gambling - and there is the real problem which could actually effect a larger number of players.

that argument was raised in the uk when the national lottery was originally introduced. there is no evidence that it provided an 'entry level' to gambling.

Did the national lottery provide any "exclusive" stuff, which you could not get in any other way?- I guess not, so it is not comparable.

a multi-million pound win..... does that count as exclusive?

No, anyone can have that - just marry a multi-millionaire ´They are quite common meanwhile, China has a million of those.

The thing is with a proper lottery they tell you how low the chances actually are - ZOS is not going to tell what little of a chance they will give us.

well there is your solution then.... marry a multi-millionaire and you'll be able to buy all of the lock boxes....

the bit i bolded is kind of contradictory.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Paparoski wrote: »

I feel like something the people that voted "yes" don't understand, is that they might add items only available in the lock boxes and nowhere else.

So what ? As long as it's only cosmetics, anyone can live happily without it.
I don't understand this compulsive need to "have something".

You do realize that for some people, myself included, cosmetics are important, yes?

Important, yes. Doesn't mean you MUST have EVERYTHING and are helplessly FORCED to buy whatever ZOS puts in the game or in the store with whatever sales mechanism attached to it.

When a child looks at something in a store and WANTS it, it's the most important thing on earth in his opinion at that particular moment. Still, if his parents decide to not buy it, he'll have to deal with it.

Sometimes you can't get what you want.

You have every right to be p*ssed at ZOS but that doesn't change the fact that you don't HAVE to buy those boxes.

but it does seem that everyone opposed to the idea feels that they will be 'compelled' to buy them. i'm really not sure how, but hey....

I think it is more that one is used to that you can buy things you want in real life - well, with a few exceptions that is - to be able to buy the Enzo Ferrari or to own the black amexco is invitation only - but otherwise you can pretty much buy all you want. These crates put a stop to that and this is frustrating for those used to that they get what they want for their money straight away.

the key to contentment and, indeed, happiness is not having more....

I know that having more stuff and more money is not making any more happy - but to have money and not be able to buy something with it, what you want, is extremely annoying and does certainly not contribute to happiness, but in the contrary. Already to have to wait for something can be extremely annoying - I like the Ferarri F430 spider for example, but I would have to wait for 18 months to get one - well, screw them, I am not willing to wait that long, as sexy as this car looks, I do not want to wait for it. And those boxes give a similar unpleasant experience - especially with items, which are exclusive to them.

as long as you continue to focus on them the more dissatisfied you will be......

i used to get paid to give advice like this.

Money has no other purpose than to get what you want - if it cannot do that, why have it at all then?- It is a tool which is there to allow me, to do what comes to mind and have an exciting life. I have just this one life and I want to enjoy it - and anyone who is throwing a stone in my way and make it unpleasant - like these RNG boxes - will not find my goodwill for this - beside that those boxes are abusive and deceptive - that what is advertised is the most unlikely event to happen - Kai was there a bit more honest - it is basically buying random consumables - and the chance for more should be seen as an incentive at most. But that is not what people will do, they will not buy them for the consumables, but for the chance - and there is the problem.

for most people money is a means to an end for some it is an end in itself. either view is valid.

if people decided to buy random boxes to the exclusion of all else then there is a problem. how many people do you think are likely to do that?

to the exclusion of all else?- you mean obsessive behavior - this would be even a level higher - and to limit the problem to just obsessive behavior is trivializing it. It is far more diverse and there are problems on many levels, not just the obsessive one. The more problematic one is the entry level one - where people who are not into gambling at all, might be introduced to it and even fall for it by reasons which are originally not related to gambling - and there is the real problem which could actually effect a larger number of players.

that argument was raised in the uk when the national lottery was originally introduced. there is no evidence that it provided an 'entry level' to gambling.

Did the national lottery provide any "exclusive" stuff, which you could not get in any other way?- I guess not, so it is not comparable.

a multi-million pound win..... does that count as exclusive?

No, anyone can have that - just marry a multi-millionaire ´They are quite common meanwhile, China has a million of those.

The thing is with a proper lottery they tell you how low the chances actually are - ZOS is not going to tell what little of a chance they will give us.

well there is your solution then.... marry a multi-millionaire and you'll be able to buy all of the lock boxes....

the bit i bolded is kind of contradictory.

I am partnered with a 9-digit-millionaire - thank you - I do not have that problem anymore. This is why I said this, because it can actually happen. And it is not contradictory, because the first you learn, living with a person like this is, never spend your own money on things, which can be paid with the money of others. And in general, just spend tiny amounts of money on things, which earn you nothing at all.

The reason why these people spend a lot of money on high quality luxury estates is not, because they like to waste money, but because it is a proper investment. They live in something what earns them a lot of money, because not many new luxury houses are build and they increase in value much faster than normal houses - normal ones might even decrease in value, seen from the demographics.

The notion that they would spend money on things just for the fun of it is totally wrong - they are one of those, who might spend the least on things, which do not earn them anything.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Paparoski wrote: »

I feel like something the people that voted "yes" don't understand, is that they might add items only available in the lock boxes and nowhere else.

So what ? As long as it's only cosmetics, anyone can live happily without it.
I don't understand this compulsive need to "have something".

You do realize that for some people, myself included, cosmetics are important, yes?

Important, yes. Doesn't mean you MUST have EVERYTHING and are helplessly FORCED to buy whatever ZOS puts in the game or in the store with whatever sales mechanism attached to it.

When a child looks at something in a store and WANTS it, it's the most important thing on earth in his opinion at that particular moment. Still, if his parents decide to not buy it, he'll have to deal with it.

Sometimes you can't get what you want.

You have every right to be p*ssed at ZOS but that doesn't change the fact that you don't HAVE to buy those boxes.

but it does seem that everyone opposed to the idea feels that they will be 'compelled' to buy them. i'm really not sure how, but hey....

I think it is more that one is used to that you can buy things you want in real life - well, with a few exceptions that is - to be able to buy the Enzo Ferrari or to own the black amexco is invitation only - but otherwise you can pretty much buy all you want. These crates put a stop to that and this is frustrating for those used to that they get what they want for their money straight away.

the key to contentment and, indeed, happiness is not having more....

I know that having more stuff and more money is not making any more happy - but to have money and not be able to buy something with it, what you want, is extremely annoying and does certainly not contribute to happiness, but in the contrary. Already to have to wait for something can be extremely annoying - I like the Ferarri F430 spider for example, but I would have to wait for 18 months to get one - well, screw them, I am not willing to wait that long, as sexy as this car looks, I do not want to wait for it. And those boxes give a similar unpleasant experience - especially with items, which are exclusive to them.

as long as you continue to focus on them the more dissatisfied you will be......

i used to get paid to give advice like this.

Money has no other purpose than to get what you want - if it cannot do that, why have it at all then?- It is a tool which is there to allow me, to do what comes to mind and have an exciting life. I have just this one life and I want to enjoy it - and anyone who is throwing a stone in my way and make it unpleasant - like these RNG boxes - will not find my goodwill for this - beside that those boxes are abusive and deceptive - that what is advertised is the most unlikely event to happen - Kai was there a bit more honest - it is basically buying random consumables - and the chance for more should be seen as an incentive at most. But that is not what people will do, they will not buy them for the consumables, but for the chance - and there is the problem.

for most people money is a means to an end for some it is an end in itself. either view is valid.

if people decided to buy random boxes to the exclusion of all else then there is a problem. how many people do you think are likely to do that?

to the exclusion of all else?- you mean obsessive behavior - this would be even a level higher - and to limit the problem to just obsessive behavior is trivializing it. It is far more diverse and there are problems on many levels, not just the obsessive one. The more problematic one is the entry level one - where people who are not into gambling at all, might be introduced to it and even fall for it by reasons which are originally not related to gambling - and there is the real problem which could actually effect a larger number of players.

that argument was raised in the uk when the national lottery was originally introduced. there is no evidence that it provided an 'entry level' to gambling.

Did the national lottery provide any "exclusive" stuff, which you could not get in any other way?- I guess not, so it is not comparable.

a multi-million pound win..... does that count as exclusive?

No, anyone can have that - just marry a multi-millionaire ´They are quite common meanwhile, China has a million of those.

The thing is with a proper lottery they tell you how low the chances actually are - ZOS is not going to tell what little of a chance they will give us.

well there is your solution then.... marry a multi-millionaire and you'll be able to buy all of the lock boxes....

the bit i bolded is kind of contradictory.

I am partnered with a 9-digit-millionaire - thank you - I do not have that problem anymore. This is why I said this, because it can actually happen.

i could comment on that.....

probably better to leave it hanging....

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Paparoski wrote: »

I feel like something the people that voted "yes" don't understand, is that they might add items only available in the lock boxes and nowhere else.

So what ? As long as it's only cosmetics, anyone can live happily without it.
I don't understand this compulsive need to "have something".

You do realize that for some people, myself included, cosmetics are important, yes?

Important, yes. Doesn't mean you MUST have EVERYTHING and are helplessly FORCED to buy whatever ZOS puts in the game or in the store with whatever sales mechanism attached to it.

When a child looks at something in a store and WANTS it, it's the most important thing on earth in his opinion at that particular moment. Still, if his parents decide to not buy it, he'll have to deal with it.

Sometimes you can't get what you want.

You have every right to be p*ssed at ZOS but that doesn't change the fact that you don't HAVE to buy those boxes.

but it does seem that everyone opposed to the idea feels that they will be 'compelled' to buy them. i'm really not sure how, but hey....

I think it is more that one is used to that you can buy things you want in real life - well, with a few exceptions that is - to be able to buy the Enzo Ferrari or to own the black amexco is invitation only - but otherwise you can pretty much buy all you want. These crates put a stop to that and this is frustrating for those used to that they get what they want for their money straight away.

the key to contentment and, indeed, happiness is not having more....

I know that having more stuff and more money is not making any more happy - but to have money and not be able to buy something with it, what you want, is extremely annoying and does certainly not contribute to happiness, but in the contrary. Already to have to wait for something can be extremely annoying - I like the Ferarri F430 spider for example, but I would have to wait for 18 months to get one - well, screw them, I am not willing to wait that long, as sexy as this car looks, I do not want to wait for it. And those boxes give a similar unpleasant experience - especially with items, which are exclusive to them.

as long as you continue to focus on them the more dissatisfied you will be......

i used to get paid to give advice like this.

Money has no other purpose than to get what you want - if it cannot do that, why have it at all then?- It is a tool which is there to allow me, to do what comes to mind and have an exciting life. I have just this one life and I want to enjoy it - and anyone who is throwing a stone in my way and make it unpleasant - like these RNG boxes - will not find my goodwill for this - beside that those boxes are abusive and deceptive - that what is advertised is the most unlikely event to happen - Kai was there a bit more honest - it is basically buying random consumables - and the chance for more should be seen as an incentive at most. But that is not what people will do, they will not buy them for the consumables, but for the chance - and there is the problem.

for most people money is a means to an end for some it is an end in itself. either view is valid.

if people decided to buy random boxes to the exclusion of all else then there is a problem. how many people do you think are likely to do that?

to the exclusion of all else?- you mean obsessive behavior - this would be even a level higher - and to limit the problem to just obsessive behavior is trivializing it. It is far more diverse and there are problems on many levels, not just the obsessive one. The more problematic one is the entry level one - where people who are not into gambling at all, might be introduced to it and even fall for it by reasons which are originally not related to gambling - and there is the real problem which could actually effect a larger number of players.

that argument was raised in the uk when the national lottery was originally introduced. there is no evidence that it provided an 'entry level' to gambling.

Did the national lottery provide any "exclusive" stuff, which you could not get in any other way?- I guess not, so it is not comparable.

a multi-million pound win..... does that count as exclusive?

No, anyone can have that - just marry a multi-millionaire ´They are quite common meanwhile, China has a million of those.

The thing is with a proper lottery they tell you how low the chances actually are - ZOS is not going to tell what little of a chance they will give us.

well there is your solution then.... marry a multi-millionaire and you'll be able to buy all of the lock boxes....

the bit i bolded is kind of contradictory.

You'd have to in order to get the "extremely rare" cosmetics. This is going to end up like SWTOR. Anything of interest is going to be in the boxes from now on. Even if everyone but the 34% who support this left the game, it would still do well. This won't happen, but I'm sure there will be many leaving.

These boxes are a trap, and I doubt many of the people blindly supporting it would even buy. I thought this company would have more integrity, but they are sinking to levels of f2p MMO's.

Rohamad_Ali

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Paparoski wrote: »

I feel like something the people that voted "yes" don't understand, is that they might add items only available in the lock boxes and nowhere else.

So what ? As long as it's only cosmetics, anyone can live happily without it.
I don't understand this compulsive need to "have something".

You do realize that for some people, myself included, cosmetics are important, yes?

Important, yes. Doesn't mean you MUST have EVERYTHING and are helplessly FORCED to buy whatever ZOS puts in the game or in the store with whatever sales mechanism attached to it.

When a child looks at something in a store and WANTS it, it's the most important thing on earth in his opinion at that particular moment. Still, if his parents decide to not buy it, he'll have to deal with it.

Sometimes you can't get what you want.

You have every right to be p*ssed at ZOS but that doesn't change the fact that you don't HAVE to buy those boxes.

but it does seem that everyone opposed to the idea feels that they will be 'compelled' to buy them. i'm really not sure how, but hey....

I think it is more that one is used to that you can buy things you want in real life - well, with a few exceptions that is - to be able to buy the Enzo Ferrari or to own the black amexco is invitation only - but otherwise you can pretty much buy all you want. These crates put a stop to that and this is frustrating for those used to that they get what they want for their money straight away.

the key to contentment and, indeed, happiness is not having more....

I know that having more stuff and more money is not making any more happy - but to have money and not be able to buy something with it, what you want, is extremely annoying and does certainly not contribute to happiness, but in the contrary. Already to have to wait for something can be extremely annoying - I like the Ferarri F430 spider for example, but I would have to wait for 18 months to get one - well, screw them, I am not willing to wait that long, as sexy as this car looks, I do not want to wait for it. And those boxes give a similar unpleasant experience - especially with items, which are exclusive to them.

as long as you continue to focus on them the more dissatisfied you will be......

i used to get paid to give advice like this.

Money has no other purpose than to get what you want - if it cannot do that, why have it at all then?- It is a tool which is there to allow me, to do what comes to mind and have an exciting life. I have just this one life and I want to enjoy it - and anyone who is throwing a stone in my way and make it unpleasant - like these RNG boxes - will not find my goodwill for this - beside that those boxes are abusive and deceptive - that what is advertised is the most unlikely event to happen - Kai was there a bit more honest - it is basically buying random consumables - and the chance for more should be seen as an incentive at most. But that is not what people will do, they will not buy them for the consumables, but for the chance - and there is the problem.

for most people money is a means to an end for some it is an end in itself. either view is valid.

if people decided to buy random boxes to the exclusion of all else then there is a problem. how many people do you think are likely to do that?

to the exclusion of all else?- you mean obsessive behavior - this would be even a level higher - and to limit the problem to just obsessive behavior is trivializing it. It is far more diverse and there are problems on many levels, not just the obsessive one. The more problematic one is the entry level one - where people who are not into gambling at all, might be introduced to it and even fall for it by reasons which are originally not related to gambling - and there is the real problem which could actually effect a larger number of players.

that argument was raised in the uk when the national lottery was originally introduced. there is no evidence that it provided an 'entry level' to gambling.

Did the national lottery provide any "exclusive" stuff, which you could not get in any other way?- I guess not, so it is not comparable.

a multi-million pound win..... does that count as exclusive?

No, anyone can have that - just marry a multi-millionaire ´They are quite common meanwhile, China has a million of those.

The thing is with a proper lottery they tell you how low the chances actually are - ZOS is not going to tell what little of a chance they will give us.

well there is your solution then.... marry a multi-millionaire and you'll be able to buy all of the lock boxes....

the bit i bolded is kind of contradictory.

I am partnered with a 9-digit-millionaire - thank you - I do not have that problem anymore. This is why I said this, because it can actually happen. And it is not contradictory, because the first you learn, living with a person like this is, never spend your own money on things, which can be paid with the money of others. And in general, just spend tiny amounts of money on things, which earn you nothing at all.

When you get ingame house send address . I need good panhandling place for funding skooma addiction clinic .

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Paparoski wrote: »

I feel like something the people that voted "yes" don't understand, is that they might add items only available in the lock boxes and nowhere else.

So what ? As long as it's only cosmetics, anyone can live happily without it.
I don't understand this compulsive need to "have something".

You do realize that for some people, myself included, cosmetics are important, yes?

Important, yes. Doesn't mean you MUST have EVERYTHING and are helplessly FORCED to buy whatever ZOS puts in the game or in the store with whatever sales mechanism attached to it.

When a child looks at something in a store and WANTS it, it's the most important thing on earth in his opinion at that particular moment. Still, if his parents decide to not buy it, he'll have to deal with it.

Sometimes you can't get what you want.

You have every right to be p*ssed at ZOS but that doesn't change the fact that you don't HAVE to buy those boxes.

but it does seem that everyone opposed to the idea feels that they will be 'compelled' to buy them. i'm really not sure how, but hey....

I think it is more that one is used to that you can buy things you want in real life - well, with a few exceptions that is - to be able to buy the Enzo Ferrari or to own the black amexco is invitation only - but otherwise you can pretty much buy all you want. These crates put a stop to that and this is frustrating for those used to that they get what they want for their money straight away.

the key to contentment and, indeed, happiness is not having more....

I know that having more stuff and more money is not making any more happy - but to have money and not be able to buy something with it, what you want, is extremely annoying and does certainly not contribute to happiness, but in the contrary. Already to have to wait for something can be extremely annoying - I like the Ferarri F430 spider for example, but I would have to wait for 18 months to get one - well, screw them, I am not willing to wait that long, as sexy as this car looks, I do not want to wait for it. And those boxes give a similar unpleasant experience - especially with items, which are exclusive to them.

as long as you continue to focus on them the more dissatisfied you will be......

i used to get paid to give advice like this.

Money has no other purpose than to get what you want - if it cannot do that, why have it at all then?- It is a tool which is there to allow me, to do what comes to mind and have an exciting life. I have just this one life and I want to enjoy it - and anyone who is throwing a stone in my way and make it unpleasant - like these RNG boxes - will not find my goodwill for this - beside that those boxes are abusive and deceptive - that what is advertised is the most unlikely event to happen - Kai was there a bit more honest - it is basically buying random consumables - and the chance for more should be seen as an incentive at most. But that is not what people will do, they will not buy them for the consumables, but for the chance - and there is the problem.

for most people money is a means to an end for some it is an end in itself. either view is valid.

if people decided to buy random boxes to the exclusion of all else then there is a problem. how many people do you think are likely to do that?

to the exclusion of all else?- you mean obsessive behavior - this would be even a level higher - and to limit the problem to just obsessive behavior is trivializing it. It is far more diverse and there are problems on many levels, not just the obsessive one. The more problematic one is the entry level one - where people who are not into gambling at all, might be introduced to it and even fall for it by reasons which are originally not related to gambling - and there is the real problem which could actually effect a larger number of players.

that argument was raised in the uk when the national lottery was originally introduced. there is no evidence that it provided an 'entry level' to gambling.

Did the national lottery provide any "exclusive" stuff, which you could not get in any other way?- I guess not, so it is not comparable.

a multi-million pound win..... does that count as exclusive?

No, anyone can have that - just marry a multi-millionaire ´They are quite common meanwhile, China has a million of those.

The thing is with a proper lottery they tell you how low the chances actually are - ZOS is not going to tell what little of a chance they will give us.

well there is your solution then.... marry a multi-millionaire and you'll be able to buy all of the lock boxes....

the bit i bolded is kind of contradictory.

I am partnered with a 9-digit-millionaire - thank you - I do not have that problem anymore. This is why I said this, because it can actually happen. And it is not contradictory, because the first you learn, living with a person like this is, never spend your own money on things, which can be paid with the money of others. And in general, just spend tiny amounts of money on things, which earn you nothing at all.

When you get ingame house send address . I need good panhandling place for funding skooma addiction clinic .

I won't get a house ingame - I have just 2550 crowns left and won't buy any new ones - so no houses for me in ESO.

ADarklore

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

We are now over 1000 votes, 67% voting NO... and still NOTHING from ZOS. Sad and shows how much they really care about what players think, this poll has the highest voting I've seen since I started playing ESO... other polls with fewer votes managed to get them to comment... but this one, NOTHING.

Rohamad_Ali

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Paparoski wrote: »

I feel like something the people that voted "yes" don't understand, is that they might add items only available in the lock boxes and nowhere else.

So what ? As long as it's only cosmetics, anyone can live happily without it.
I don't understand this compulsive need to "have something".

You do realize that for some people, myself included, cosmetics are important, yes?

Important, yes. Doesn't mean you MUST have EVERYTHING and are helplessly FORCED to buy whatever ZOS puts in the game or in the store with whatever sales mechanism attached to it.

When a child looks at something in a store and WANTS it, it's the most important thing on earth in his opinion at that particular moment. Still, if his parents decide to not buy it, he'll have to deal with it.

Sometimes you can't get what you want.

You have every right to be p*ssed at ZOS but that doesn't change the fact that you don't HAVE to buy those boxes.

but it does seem that everyone opposed to the idea feels that they will be 'compelled' to buy them. i'm really not sure how, but hey....

I think it is more that one is used to that you can buy things you want in real life - well, with a few exceptions that is - to be able to buy the Enzo Ferrari or to own the black amexco is invitation only - but otherwise you can pretty much buy all you want. These crates put a stop to that and this is frustrating for those used to that they get what they want for their money straight away.

the key to contentment and, indeed, happiness is not having more....

I know that having more stuff and more money is not making any more happy - but to have money and not be able to buy something with it, what you want, is extremely annoying and does certainly not contribute to happiness, but in the contrary. Already to have to wait for something can be extremely annoying - I like the Ferarri F430 spider for example, but I would have to wait for 18 months to get one - well, screw them, I am not willing to wait that long, as sexy as this car looks, I do not want to wait for it. And those boxes give a similar unpleasant experience - especially with items, which are exclusive to them.

as long as you continue to focus on them the more dissatisfied you will be......

i used to get paid to give advice like this.

Money has no other purpose than to get what you want - if it cannot do that, why have it at all then?- It is a tool which is there to allow me, to do what comes to mind and have an exciting life. I have just this one life and I want to enjoy it - and anyone who is throwing a stone in my way and make it unpleasant - like these RNG boxes - will not find my goodwill for this - beside that those boxes are abusive and deceptive - that what is advertised is the most unlikely event to happen - Kai was there a bit more honest - it is basically buying random consumables - and the chance for more should be seen as an incentive at most. But that is not what people will do, they will not buy them for the consumables, but for the chance - and there is the problem.

for most people money is a means to an end for some it is an end in itself. either view is valid.

if people decided to buy random boxes to the exclusion of all else then there is a problem. how many people do you think are likely to do that?

to the exclusion of all else?- you mean obsessive behavior - this would be even a level higher - and to limit the problem to just obsessive behavior is trivializing it. It is far more diverse and there are problems on many levels, not just the obsessive one. The more problematic one is the entry level one - where people who are not into gambling at all, might be introduced to it and even fall for it by reasons which are originally not related to gambling - and there is the real problem which could actually effect a larger number of players.

that argument was raised in the uk when the national lottery was originally introduced. there is no evidence that it provided an 'entry level' to gambling.

Did the national lottery provide any "exclusive" stuff, which you could not get in any other way?- I guess not, so it is not comparable.

a multi-million pound win..... does that count as exclusive?

No, anyone can have that - just marry a multi-millionaire ´They are quite common meanwhile, China has a million of those.

The thing is with a proper lottery they tell you how low the chances actually are - ZOS is not going to tell what little of a chance they will give us.

well there is your solution then.... marry a multi-millionaire and you'll be able to buy all of the lock boxes....

the bit i bolded is kind of contradictory.

I am partnered with a 9-digit-millionaire - thank you - I do not have that problem anymore. This is why I said this, because it can actually happen. And it is not contradictory, because the first you learn, living with a person like this is, never spend your own money on things, which can be paid with the money of others. And in general, just spend tiny amounts of money on things, which earn you nothing at all.

When you get ingame house send address . I need good panhandling place for funding skooma addiction clinic .

I won't get a house ingame - I have just 2550 crowns left and won't buy any new ones - so no houses for me in ESO.

Still hoping this mess gets sorted some how . Don't like seeing people leaving and giving up on game but understandable why .

wayfarerx

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

ADarklore wrote: »

We are now over 1000 votes, 67% voting NO... and still NOTHING from ZOS. Sad and shows how much they really care about what players think, this poll has the highest voting I've seen since I started playing ESO... other polls with fewer votes managed to get them to comment... but this one, NOTHING.

Also remember that some of us changed our minds after learning more about the boxes, so probably more than 67%.

Morimizo

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Here's another way I view this change:

When I go to a casino (which is rare), I start off with a fixed amount to bet. If I win some, that's great, but I always stop if I lose this fixed amount. To me, it's not the money, but the GAME that's fun; I like poker and blackjack, even roulette; there's a little bit of skill involved, a little experience can increase your chance of winning at least a bit.

This Crown Crate is a lazy implementation of gambling; there's no GAME to it. It will be two presses; you buying the crate, and then opening the crate (which if I were to hypothesize about the fanciness of the crate artwork itself, based on their decision to not design motifs for the female form anymore, it will be drab and bland at best. Might even just look like the faded wood and rusty metal chests we find throughout Tamriel, only smaller. Yes, this is cynical.

I wouldn't mind so much if they had been creative with an interactive game of sorts, especially one where folks could play together (even if it were Blackjack-style, side-by-side and still against the House), and it was fun. Then I'd get my money's worth playing the gambling game, and be alright if the prize wasn't so fantastic. There would be value to the purchase.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

wayfarerx wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

We are now over 1000 votes, 67% voting NO... and still NOTHING from ZOS. Sad and shows how much they really care about what players think, this poll has the highest voting I've seen since I started playing ESO... other polls with fewer votes managed to get them to comment... but this one, NOTHING.

Also remember that some of us changed our minds after learning more about the boxes, so probably more than 67%.

confidence interval for that is now at 3.84% - so the whole population would vote between 63.16% and 70.84% with a probability of 99%.

VerboseQuips

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lumenn wrote: »

For me this doesn't seem to be just "i want that item" nor is it about people with gambling disorders. It's about having your faith in a company shaken. Many people have had their faith shaken a bit either due a (rare, and even touching in this cold age) concern for others and gambling addiction. Some are, as stated, in the "i want" area(not necessarily a bad trait. They are just not happy when a company changes the method of delivery). Some of us have seen this step many many times in other mmos, and fear Zos will invariably go down the same path as many other mmos that stated cosmetics only, then expand on it. For whatever personal reason, each has had their faith(if not broken) shaken a bit. I've seen quite a bit of "snarky" responses in this thread(calling someone's reason for being upset childish among the nicest of them) so I'm quite sure someone will tear this post apart too(let the children suffer? It's an adult game. Forget the laws in other countries? Get a grip on your gambling? Grow up and stop being childish? Is you feewings hurt? Let's see, did I miss any? Quite sure someone will let me know) for the record @Lysette and @Cazzy I may not agree with all of your reasons but I'd nominate you for sainthood for taking hits and still having patience.

Some people get attached to the game, the community, their friends, a way to spend an hour or two. If someone can't understand the million reasons why ANY of these people are upset then that's awesome. Just try to stay on track w/o belittling anyone unless you're trying to close the thread.

I agree with you on many levels.

It makes me really sad to see people belittled and called childish for being passionnate about something. It makes me think that we are really living in an age of disenchantment. No wonder depression has become so common.

It might be precisely a feeling of disenchantment, or rather the premonitory fear of it, that drove people to voice their ardent discontent. For some (at least for myself, that is), the announcement of the RNG boxes felt a bit like this: "See this wonderful paracosm you love to delve yourself into? Look, we're making it a gross and obvious money grab!".
It is absolutely legitimate to want that creative work allow to afford for a decent life. Greed, however, is something else. Going from selling stuff directly to the RNG business model, is crossing the line and stepping into greed.
When you consider greed is one of those major forces that are harming and destroying our world and our society, and when you realize it is seeping into something you love and will likely corrupt it, it is legitimate to fight against it. If this fight is lost, then real-world money and real-world greed will be obviously pervasive within the fictional world of Tamriel, and therefore they will impede immersion as a layer of sticky oil on your skin would prevent you to feel the water. When you are no longer able to immerse yourself in something you love because it has been corrupted, feelings of disenchantment arise naturally and unavoidably.

When people say we should just become adults, I hear this : "Why don't you just get finally resigned to the prospect that greed will corrupt everything you might love, as do all adults who know that the triumph of greed is a law of nature, and therefore, unavoidable? Grow up disenchanted like you should do!"

Probably this is a matter of personnality traits, something like pragmatism vs idealism...

(On a side note, how has childish become pejorative in the first place? Children are fully conscious of their surroundings, they have a wonderful ability to marvel at the world and to learn from it, something that most adults have lost to habits.)



About the shaken faith now, yes, there is this too. It is not so prevalent for me as the fear of seeing the TES universe getting corrupted, but I surely can understand it is very important to others.
As I said in an earlier post, it is more and more difficult to know the direction in which they are taking TES, and it is more and more difficult to trust it will be a good one. Things are changing, and they are changing fast. This will make people more reluctant to fund ESO as they aren't sure they're funding something desirable.

Here is another example that might have been overlooked so far (but I haven't read all the thread):

On the 17th of August, ZOS says they want the content they create to be accessible to as many players as possible.
On the 23rd of August, ZOS says they will be creating new content and hide it behind a RNG-gambling wall, so as to create artificial rarity and to ensure that only a tiny part of the player community actually can ever gain access to it.

Easy to get confused, right?

VerboseQuips

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Kendaric wrote: »

The first issue I have with the boxes is that I can't preview an item to decide whether I want it or not.

And after the Breton hero costume, we know that this can be a real issue.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Well, Kai described it in a better way - what you buy is a box filled with a random selection of consumables, which will most likely (as he assumed as well) be less worth than what the box costs. And as an incentive for buying the box, there is a slight chance to get something extra - but it is mainly just buying a random collection of consumables - that is how Kai sees the boxes. And it would not even be something wrong with that, if you could just buy 1 box per day and account - but it gets bad when 1. you can buy as many as you want and 2. the box teases with exclusive items, which most people will never get, because they are "extremely rare" - and if ZOS says extremely rare it is near impossible to get those.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Paparoski wrote: »

I feel like something the people that voted "yes" don't understand, is that they might add items only available in the lock boxes and nowhere else.

So what ? As long as it's only cosmetics, anyone can live happily without it.
I don't understand this compulsive need to "have something".

You do realize that for some people, myself included, cosmetics are important, yes?

Important, yes. Doesn't mean you MUST have EVERYTHING and are helplessly FORCED to buy whatever ZOS puts in the game or in the store with whatever sales mechanism attached to it.

When a child looks at something in a store and WANTS it, it's the most important thing on earth in his opinion at that particular moment. Still, if his parents decide to not buy it, he'll have to deal with it.

Sometimes you can't get what you want.

You have every right to be p*ssed at ZOS but that doesn't change the fact that you don't HAVE to buy those boxes.

but it does seem that everyone opposed to the idea feels that they will be 'compelled' to buy them. i'm really not sure how, but hey....

I think it is more that one is used to that you can buy things you want in real life - well, with a few exceptions that is - to be able to buy the Enzo Ferrari or to own the black amexco is invitation only - but otherwise you can pretty much buy all you want. These crates put a stop to that and this is frustrating for those used to that they get what they want for their money straight away.

the key to contentment and, indeed, happiness is not having more....

I know that having more stuff and more money is not making any more happy - but to have money and not be able to buy something with it, what you want, is extremely annoying and does certainly not contribute to happiness, but in the contrary. Already to have to wait for something can be extremely annoying - I like the Ferarri F430 spider for example, but I would have to wait for 18 months to get one - well, screw them, I am not willing to wait that long, as sexy as this car looks, I do not want to wait for it. And those boxes give a similar unpleasant experience - especially with items, which are exclusive to them.

as long as you continue to focus on them the more dissatisfied you will be......

i used to get paid to give advice like this.

Money has no other purpose than to get what you want - if it cannot do that, why have it at all then?- It is a tool which is there to allow me, to do what comes to mind and have an exciting life. I have just this one life and I want to enjoy it - and anyone who is throwing a stone in my way and make it unpleasant - like these RNG boxes - will not find my goodwill for this - beside that those boxes are abusive and deceptive - that what is advertised is the most unlikely event to happen - Kai was there a bit more honest - it is basically buying random consumables - and the chance for more should be seen as an incentive at most. But that is not what people will do, they will not buy them for the consumables, but for the chance - and there is the problem.

for most people money is a means to an end for some it is an end in itself. either view is valid.

if people decided to buy random boxes to the exclusion of all else then there is a problem. how many people do you think are likely to do that?

to the exclusion of all else?- you mean obsessive behavior - this would be even a level higher - and to limit the problem to just obsessive behavior is trivializing it. It is far more diverse and there are problems on many levels, not just the obsessive one. The more problematic one is the entry level one - where people who are not into gambling at all, might be introduced to it and even fall for it by reasons which are originally not related to gambling - and there is the real problem which could actually effect a larger number of players.

that argument was raised in the uk when the national lottery was originally introduced. there is no evidence that it provided an 'entry level' to gambling.

Did the national lottery provide any "exclusive" stuff, which you could not get in any other way?- I guess not, so it is not comparable.

a multi-million pound win..... does that count as exclusive?

No, anyone can have that - just marry a multi-millionaire ´They are quite common meanwhile, China has a million of those.

The thing is with a proper lottery they tell you how low the chances actually are - ZOS is not going to tell what little of a chance they will give us.

well there is your solution then.... marry a multi-millionaire and you'll be able to buy all of the lock boxes....

the bit i bolded is kind of contradictory.

I am partnered with a 9-digit-millionaire - thank you - I do not have that problem anymore. This is why I said this, because it can actually happen. And it is not contradictory, because the first you learn, living with a person like this is, never spend your own money on things, which can be paid with the money of others. And in general, just spend tiny amounts of money on things, which earn you nothing at all.

The reason why these people spend a lot of money on high quality luxury estates is not, because they like to waste money, but because it is a proper investment. They live in something what earns them a lot of money, because not many new luxury houses are build and they increase in value much faster than normal houses - normal ones might even decrease in value, seen from the demographics.

The notion that they would spend money on things just for the fun of it is totally wrong - they are one of those, who might spend the least on things, which do not earn them anything.

your reply is something of a non-sequitur..... since it bears no impact on the part of the original comment.

everyone can marry a multi millionaire? you think there are around three and a half billion multi millionaires on the planet

really?

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

JimT722 wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Paparoski wrote: »

I feel like something the people that voted "yes" don't understand, is that they might add items only available in the lock boxes and nowhere else.

So what ? As long as it's only cosmetics, anyone can live happily without it.
I don't understand this compulsive need to "have something".

You do realize that for some people, myself included, cosmetics are important, yes?

Important, yes. Doesn't mean you MUST have EVERYTHING and are helplessly FORCED to buy whatever ZOS puts in the game or in the store with whatever sales mechanism attached to it.

When a child looks at something in a store and WANTS it, it's the most important thing on earth in his opinion at that particular moment. Still, if his parents decide to not buy it, he'll have to deal with it.

Sometimes you can't get what you want.

You have every right to be p*ssed at ZOS but that doesn't change the fact that you don't HAVE to buy those boxes.

but it does seem that everyone opposed to the idea feels that they will be 'compelled' to buy them. i'm really not sure how, but hey....

I think it is more that one is used to that you can buy things you want in real life - well, with a few exceptions that is - to be able to buy the Enzo Ferrari or to own the black amexco is invitation only - but otherwise you can pretty much buy all you want. These crates put a stop to that and this is frustrating for those used to that they get what they want for their money straight away.

the key to contentment and, indeed, happiness is not having more....

I know that having more stuff and more money is not making any more happy - but to have money and not be able to buy something with it, what you want, is extremely annoying and does certainly not contribute to happiness, but in the contrary. Already to have to wait for something can be extremely annoying - I like the Ferarri F430 spider for example, but I would have to wait for 18 months to get one - well, screw them, I am not willing to wait that long, as sexy as this car looks, I do not want to wait for it. And those boxes give a similar unpleasant experience - especially with items, which are exclusive to them.

as long as you continue to focus on them the more dissatisfied you will be......

i used to get paid to give advice like this.

Money has no other purpose than to get what you want - if it cannot do that, why have it at all then?- It is a tool which is there to allow me, to do what comes to mind and have an exciting life. I have just this one life and I want to enjoy it - and anyone who is throwing a stone in my way and make it unpleasant - like these RNG boxes - will not find my goodwill for this - beside that those boxes are abusive and deceptive - that what is advertised is the most unlikely event to happen - Kai was there a bit more honest - it is basically buying random consumables - and the chance for more should be seen as an incentive at most. But that is not what people will do, they will not buy them for the consumables, but for the chance - and there is the problem.

for most people money is a means to an end for some it is an end in itself. either view is valid.

if people decided to buy random boxes to the exclusion of all else then there is a problem. how many people do you think are likely to do that?

to the exclusion of all else?- you mean obsessive behavior - this would be even a level higher - and to limit the problem to just obsessive behavior is trivializing it. It is far more diverse and there are problems on many levels, not just the obsessive one. The more problematic one is the entry level one - where people who are not into gambling at all, might be introduced to it and even fall for it by reasons which are originally not related to gambling - and there is the real problem which could actually effect a larger number of players.

that argument was raised in the uk when the national lottery was originally introduced. there is no evidence that it provided an 'entry level' to gambling.

Did the national lottery provide any "exclusive" stuff, which you could not get in any other way?- I guess not, so it is not comparable.

a multi-million pound win..... does that count as exclusive?

No, anyone can have that - just marry a multi-millionaire ´They are quite common meanwhile, China has a million of those.

The thing is with a proper lottery they tell you how low the chances actually are - ZOS is not going to tell what little of a chance they will give us.

well there is your solution then.... marry a multi-millionaire and you'll be able to buy all of the lock boxes....

the bit i bolded is kind of contradictory.

You'd have to in order to get the "extremely rare" cosmetics. This is going to end up like SWTOR. Anything of interest is going to be in the boxes from now on. Even if everyone but the 34% who support this left the game, it would still do well. This won't happen, but I'm sure there will be many leaving.

These boxes are a trap, and I doubt many of the people blindly supporting it would even buy. I thought this company would have more integrity, but they are sinking to levels of f2p MMO's.

if you know it's there it's not a trap...

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Paparoski wrote: »

I feel like something the people that voted "yes" don't understand, is that they might add items only available in the lock boxes and nowhere else.

So what ? As long as it's only cosmetics, anyone can live happily without it.
I don't understand this compulsive need to "have something".

You do realize that for some people, myself included, cosmetics are important, yes?

Important, yes. Doesn't mean you MUST have EVERYTHING and are helplessly FORCED to buy whatever ZOS puts in the game or in the store with whatever sales mechanism attached to it.

When a child looks at something in a store and WANTS it, it's the most important thing on earth in his opinion at that particular moment. Still, if his parents decide to not buy it, he'll have to deal with it.

Sometimes you can't get what you want.

You have every right to be p*ssed at ZOS but that doesn't change the fact that you don't HAVE to buy those boxes.

but it does seem that everyone opposed to the idea feels that they will be 'compelled' to buy them. i'm really not sure how, but hey....

I think it is more that one is used to that you can buy things you want in real life - well, with a few exceptions that is - to be able to buy the Enzo Ferrari or to own the black amexco is invitation only - but otherwise you can pretty much buy all you want. These crates put a stop to that and this is frustrating for those used to that they get what they want for their money straight away.

the key to contentment and, indeed, happiness is not having more....

I know that having more stuff and more money is not making any more happy - but to have money and not be able to buy something with it, what you want, is extremely annoying and does certainly not contribute to happiness, but in the contrary. Already to have to wait for something can be extremely annoying - I like the Ferarri F430 spider for example, but I would have to wait for 18 months to get one - well, screw them, I am not willing to wait that long, as sexy as this car looks, I do not want to wait for it. And those boxes give a similar unpleasant experience - especially with items, which are exclusive to them.

as long as you continue to focus on them the more dissatisfied you will be......

i used to get paid to give advice like this.

Money has no other purpose than to get what you want - if it cannot do that, why have it at all then?- It is a tool which is there to allow me, to do what comes to mind and have an exciting life. I have just this one life and I want to enjoy it - and anyone who is throwing a stone in my way and make it unpleasant - like these RNG boxes - will not find my goodwill for this - beside that those boxes are abusive and deceptive - that what is advertised is the most unlikely event to happen - Kai was there a bit more honest - it is basically buying random consumables - and the chance for more should be seen as an incentive at most. But that is not what people will do, they will not buy them for the consumables, but for the chance - and there is the problem.

for most people money is a means to an end for some it is an end in itself. either view is valid.

if people decided to buy random boxes to the exclusion of all else then there is a problem. how many people do you think are likely to do that?

to the exclusion of all else?- you mean obsessive behavior - this would be even a level higher - and to limit the problem to just obsessive behavior is trivializing it. It is far more diverse and there are problems on many levels, not just the obsessive one. The more problematic one is the entry level one - where people who are not into gambling at all, might be introduced to it and even fall for it by reasons which are originally not related to gambling - and there is the real problem which could actually effect a larger number of players.

that argument was raised in the uk when the national lottery was originally introduced. there is no evidence that it provided an 'entry level' to gambling.

Did the national lottery provide any "exclusive" stuff, which you could not get in any other way?- I guess not, so it is not comparable.

a multi-million pound win..... does that count as exclusive?

No, anyone can have that - just marry a multi-millionaire ´They are quite common meanwhile, China has a million of those.

The thing is with a proper lottery they tell you how low the chances actually are - ZOS is not going to tell what little of a chance they will give us.

well there is your solution then.... marry a multi-millionaire and you'll be able to buy all of the lock boxes....

the bit i bolded is kind of contradictory.

I am partnered with a 9-digit-millionaire - thank you - I do not have that problem anymore. This is why I said this, because it can actually happen. And it is not contradictory, because the first you learn, living with a person like this is, never spend your own money on things, which can be paid with the money of others. And in general, just spend tiny amounts of money on things, which earn you nothing at all.

The reason why these people spend a lot of money on high quality luxury estates is not, because they like to waste money, but because it is a proper investment. They live in something what earns them a lot of money, because not many new luxury houses are build and they increase in value much faster than normal houses - normal ones might even decrease in value, seen from the demographics.

The notion that they would spend money on things just for the fun of it is totally wrong - they are one of those, who might spend the least on things, which do not earn them anything.

your reply is something of a non-sequitur..... since it bears no impact on the part of the original comment.

everyone can marry a multi millionaire? you think there are around three and a half billion multi millionaires on the planet

really?

I could have said as well, money is nothing exclusive - but then I thought about, what happened to me and so I said this - I should not have done this, it was a quick shot and I really regret to have said that - it came out the wrong way. I did not even know that she is wealthy when I met her first - we studied together and fell in love - far later I got, what she is really about and what background she has. The whole thing was strange, because I always thought I am a straight person - but seems, I am not really - strange things happen in life sometimes.

Cousin_Idirfa

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I doubt that many of the devs support this, since even Firor said once that the devs don't like the gambling boxes either. The devs know what the game means to them and to us.

This is the work of a dark master dressed in the wretched executive armor of corporate greed.
A dark master who is not satisfied with our offering of buying ESO+ and spending extra money on crowns to purchase cosmetics outright from the crown store.
A dark master who wishes to squeeze its loyal followers until they become wrinkled shells of human beings.
A dark master who now wills us to show our loyalty and dedication to the game by participating in a game of chance that will bleed our wallets and suck the life force from players until we all become Soul Shriven.

This is obviously the work of Molag Bal!

Cazzy

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lumenn wrote: »

For me this doesn't seem to be just "i want that item" nor is it about people with gambling disorders. It's about having your faith in a company shaken. Many people have had their faith shaken a bit either due a (rare, and even touching in this cold age) concern for others and gambling addiction. Some are, as stated, in the "i want" area(not necessarily a bad trait. They are just not happy when a company changes the method of delivery). Some of us have seen this step many many times in other mmos, and fear Zos will invariably go down the same path as many other mmos that stated cosmetics only, then expand on it. For whatever personal reason, each has had their faith(if not broken) shaken a bit. I've seen quite a bit of "snarky" responses in this thread(calling someone's reason for being upset childish among the nicest of them) so I'm quite sure someone will tear this post apart too(let the children suffer? It's an adult game. Forget the laws in other countries? Get a grip on your gambling? Grow up and stop being childish? Is you feewings hurt? Let's see, did I miss any? Quite sure someone will let me know) for the record @Lysette and @Cazzy I may not agree with all of your reasons but I'd nominate you for sainthood for taking hits and still having patience.

Some people get attached to the game, the community, their friends, a way to spend an hour or two. If someone can't understand the million reasons why ANY of these people are upset then that's awesome. Just try to stay on track w/o belittling anyone unless you're trying to close the thread.

Haha, thank you @Lumenn

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Cousin_Idirfa wrote: »

I doubt that many of the devs support this, since even Firor said once that the devs don't like the gambling boxes either. The devs know what the game means to them and to us.

This is the work of a dark master dressed in the wretched executive armor of corporate greed.
A dark master who is not satisfied with our offering of buying ESO+ and spending extra money on crowns to purchase cosmetics outright from the crown store.
A dark master who wishes to squeeze its loyal followers until they become wrinkled shells of human beings.
A dark master who now wills us to show our loyalty and dedication to the game by participating in a game of chance that will bleed our wallets and suck the life force from players until we all become Soul Shriven.

This is obviously the work of Molag Bal!

or his executive Mannimarco