What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Cynnalia

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Adding my voice to the throng...I also am disappointed in ZOS's decision to add these Crown Crates to the game. It's now highly likely the Wild Hunt mounts will be part of these exclusive crate-only offerings and that makes me incredibly sad. And I've bought everything in the Crown Store I want so if I bought a box, I'd only get something I don't want, or some Crown Gems to buy...what? What are they going to offer for Crown Gems and what will be the exchange rate?

I am really hoping the reason there are four mount types of each of the data-mined mystical mounts is because a couple will go in Crates, one will go in the Crown Gem store, and one will be offered as a Limited Time direct purchase...*hint hint*

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

But those who choose to wear rose-colored glasses don't want to hear realism.

Dealing easily with the fact there will be some crate-exclusive fluff that we won't have, and not making a tragedy out of it, is wearing pink colored glasses ? In my world it's called being an adult and having learned to deal with frustration... but to each his own I guess

If you can deal with it so well, why do you want people to shut up then, if they are not of the opinion, that this is a good move from ZOS?- IMO you do not deal with it at all, you just want to stick your head in the sand and it would be best for you not to be reminded of that it even exists or will exist. To ignore it is not a solution and does not make it go away.

To me the whole thread was a learning experience. Not everyone sees protection of ICD people as important - not even my real life partner does - she said, ICD people are not born with this disorder, most likely they brought themselves into a situation to develop this disorder and they will not stay away from what fosters their addiction before they will have hit rock bottom. This will help them then, because then they will seek professional help - well, that was her opinion about the matter and maybe she is right, maybe it is not the best way to "help", when this help is not wanted and might not even be helpful after all. And this brought me to the idea, maybe it is really like with children and the hot plate - you have to let them touch it and get burnt - they will not believe it or avoid it, until they got burnt - that is their "rock bottom".

laurajf

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Long story incoming. You have been warned.

Okay, so I admit I said I would be okay with these boxes when I first saw this poll. In my defense:

1. It was 6:00 in the morning and I hadn't had coffee yet.
2. I didn't read any comments following.
3. At that point, I didn't realize there would be exclusive stuff in them.
4. I forgot about the horror of Rift boxes and that was the one and only reason I left that game (I seriously must have blocked that out of my memory).

Now that I have had some time to think and to read all these comments, I really wish there was a way to change my vote.

I truly cannot believe I completely forgot about Rift. I loved that game. Okay, not the game itself but the dimensions. I honestly didn't care for the game itself and never could get attached to my characters. But dimensions...oh, I lived in my dimensions. So many things you could create. I honestly wanted just the dimensions to be a game unto themselves so I didn't have to waste time leveling and trying to gain in-game plat to buy the stuff I wanted for my dims from the store or the auction house. Granted, you could also buy stuff with credits, which was kind of the equivalent of crowns here, but not everything was on the store (you know where I'm going with this...).

My problem came with the boxes. They had multiple boxes in the game with mounts, gear, etc. but I was only concerned with the dimension boxes because that's all I cared about. As is typical, you never would know what kind of dimension stuff you would get. A lot of junk (kind of what sounds like you'll get here) but sometimes you would get the best stuff, the stuff that wasn't on the store. Very rarely, though, would you get what you wanted for your dimension build. Granted, you could sell what you didn't want on the auction house but still.

They had boxes geared towards the holidays with dimension items that would correspond to them. They had boxes geared towards certain zones where you could get stuff that were in the zones as props. I spent gobs of money trying to get what I wanted for my dimensions.

One day I finally realized what was happening and realized how much money I was spending and how insane it all was. I also realized it wasn't going to stop and that I was only helping fuel the fire, so to speak, by being one of the idiots buying these things. After I realized that this was just the way it was going to be from now on, I visited each of my creations/homes/etc. in my dimensions, said a fond farewell and promptly gave away all of my expensive and beloved dimension stuff. I deleted my characters so I would have no temptation to come back and fall into that same trap. I left with over 9 months remaining on a 1-year subscription and never looked back. I still miss those dimensions terribly.

In the email you get asking you why you left (or maybe it was an email a couple months later asking why I didn't log in anymore - can't remember), I told them it was those boxes. I don't think they really care.

My biggest fear here with housing coming up is that I'm going to end up running into the same here that I ran into with Rift, that they'll put stuff I want for my house into boxes with a slight chance of getting what I really want. If that happens and if we end up with no more decent mounts on the store but only in gambling boxes (again, like Rift), I will leave for good at that time. Until then, I'll continue to play but my sub is up in a few days, I believe, and I won't renew until I know more. It's a wait-and-see kind of thing for me right now. It'll be painful, but I'll live without my crafting bag, even if I have to create a bunch of alts to hold stuff for now.

If this is the way MMOs are all headed, my MMO time is going to be very limited. I just wish more single-player games were coming out that had as much stuff to do as MMOs.

Sigh.

Edited to add: I almost forgot (and this is the kicker) - on that survey thing I filled out about why I left or didn't log in anymore, they asked if you would be playing other games and if so, which ones. I said I was going to be playing ESO because they didn't have these RNG/gambling boxes. LOL. Oh, that is pathetic now.

Moloch1514

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Here is my fear of where this could lead us to:

Just imagine: Buy Elder Scrolls Legends and get 1 ESO Crown Crate and 10 Crown store potions!

DYSEQTA

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Here's my thoughts.

If they put this in then I think I might just take this to the ACCC and alert them that Zenimax is taking part in gambling without a license in Australia. Putting in a couple of layers of misdirection does not change the fact that it is gambling involving real world money and I think it's high time our consumer law makers get involved in this farce.

I am sick to death of companies getting away with abusing their customers.

ObsidianMichi

No, don't ever add these into the game.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for your thoughts on the upcoming Crown Crates, everyone. Just want to clarify a few points -

First, Crown Crates will be available later this year, and will only include cosmetic or convenience items. You'll find things like potions and other consumables, pets, costumes, and - yes - sometimes even mounts. This will give you a chance to try and obtain previous limited time offers, or even some very unique items as Matt mentioned. It will not include things like armor or weapons.

In the event you get an item that you already own, you can exchange it for a currency called Crown Gems which will allow you to buy a different item of your choice.

The minute I saw this I canceled my sub.

Just no.

However, it would be nice if just maybe the Devs could try not to sound like every single other development house that has trotted lockboxes out and made the same initial promises only to renege on them later. Try out some new material, if only for the sake of face.

I also suspect that these crates won't be as successful as Zenimax is hoping because you won't be able to sell the items you get from the boxes for an upcharge in ingame currency. The vast majority of players I've seen from games where the gamble boxes are (at least initially) successful (before they drown the game in greed, halt development schedules, and kill the player base) are the ones where the trash items gotten from the boxes can be sold by the players to the rest of the ingame market. For many of those investing in them, they become a secondary means of getting quick cash from those who won't purchase them from the store or play the lotto but still desire the items. By cutting out that part of the equation, Zenimax also cuts out those with available cash and who value their ingame money more than their real life money but aren't necessarily playing for the items themselves.

The other thing I don't think Western companies who engage in these "Gachas" understand is that when you're looking at the Asian MMO market, most of these games with these practices aren't actually intending to still have their game around in five or ten years (the WoW model). It's there to make as much money as it can as fast as it can in the interim then, when the pool dries up, they move on to the next project.

Nevermind there are many players like myself who've been burned by these practices in the past and played ESO primarily because there were no gamble boxes.

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

DYSEQTA wrote: »

Here's my thoughts.

If they put this in then I think I might just take this to the ACCC and alert them that Zenimax is taking part in gambling without a license in Australia. Putting in a couple of layers of misdirection does not change the fact that it is gambling involving real world money and I think it's high time our consumer law makers get involved in this farce.

I am sick to death of companies getting away with abusing their customers.

Some people are too stupid to see it and praise them for it.

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

I still feel like there's so much 'hidden' information. For example; what will happen to the exclusive mounts we get in the regular Crown Store? Will we still get them or is everything going into the boxes now?

So many datamined collectibles have yet to appear and it's a worry that the boxes will actually replace our exclusive/limited offers.

It's pretty clear what will be mostly in those boxes - all these "retired" items we have seen since months - now it is as well clear, why they retired stuff, which just entered the crown store. This was planned for a longer time to come and that is why they cleared out the crown shop, while telling us, they would have to make room in the crown store - yes, but for the boxes. Most of that stuff you will find in future in some kind of box, where they can hide the actual price of the product and raise it to heights, which no one would be willing to pay, if they would know about it - this is what makes it so utterly disgusting.

i would say that they have had this as a ace up there sleave all along bring out items then take them down then stick them as random RNG drop in boxes to generate renue cant tell me theres not enough room on the crown store they can add new menus and add more lists any time they want !!

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

aheck1111_ESO wrote: »

Here is my fear of where this could lead us to:

Just imagine: Buy Elder Scrolls Legends and get 1 ESO Crown Crate and 10 Crown store potions!

Yeah... or, since we've got Star Trek Online right there, one of their favorite things, is bundling T6 ships into other, non-gamble purchases. Just imagine, "this month only, buy crown store tripots for a chance to win access to the new Necromancer class!"

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

DYSEQTA wrote: »

Here's my thoughts.

If they put this in then I think I might just take this to the ACCC and alert them that Zenimax is taking part in gambling without a license in Australia. Putting in a couple of layers of misdirection does not change the fact that it is gambling involving real world money and I think it's high time our consumer law makers get involved in this farce.

I am sick to death of companies getting away with abusing their customers.

TOS they can do almost anything theses days there not forcing you and if you agree to the terms... ACCC cant even fix the petrol prices in AUS let alone a silly little kiddies game thats asking you to buy digital items for real money!! there only getting away with it because of the numbnut idiots that keep allowing them to by buying crap with there money.. my issue is where does this end!! next they will take down everything you can buy off the crown store and use these little boxes as the only way to get stuff with these stupid gems YOU WILL BE PAYING MORE THAN ORIGINAL COST i can assure eveyone

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

snakester320 wrote: »

DYSEQTA wrote: »

Here's my thoughts.

If they put this in then I think I might just take this to the ACCC and alert them that Zenimax is taking part in gambling without a license in Australia. Putting in a couple of layers of misdirection does not change the fact that it is gambling involving real world money and I think it's high time our consumer law makers get involved in this farce.

I am sick to death of companies getting away with abusing their customers.

TOS they can do almost anything theses days there not forcing you and if you agree to the terms... ACCC cant even fix the petrol prices in AUS let alone a silly little kiddies game thats asking you to buy digital items for real money!! there only getting away with it because of the numbnut idiots that keep allowing them to by buying crap with there money.. my issue is where does this end!! next they will take down everything you can buy off the crown store and use these little boxes as the only way to get stuff with these stupid gems YOU WILL BE PAYING MORE THAN ORIGINAL COST i can assure eveyone

More likely it will be the stuff no one wants. When this happened to SWTOR, I couldn't find anything worth buying on the store even if I wanted to support the game.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

ZOS seems to be on the Crown Store marketing trip currently - I just got an email from ZOS offering me a special price for when I would want to buy a larger amount of items from the Crown Store for example to outfit all guildies with the same costumes. I emailed them back, that I would have been interested into that, if they would not have announced RNG boxes and ruined my enjoyment of the game. I said further, that I am really sorry, that they had to blew it, they could have been the exception, but now they are just another abusive MMO and that would no longer be worth my money.

A special "whale" offer - are they kidding me - after they announced RNG boxes - what are these guys even thinking?

Abeille

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

snakester320 wrote: »

DYSEQTA wrote: »

Here's my thoughts.

If they put this in then I think I might just take this to the ACCC and alert them that Zenimax is taking part in gambling without a license in Australia. Putting in a couple of layers of misdirection does not change the fact that it is gambling involving real world money and I think it's high time our consumer law makers get involved in this farce.

I am sick to death of companies getting away with abusing their customers.

TOS they can do almost anything theses days there not forcing you and if you agree to the terms... ACCC cant even fix the petrol prices in AUS let alone a silly little kiddies game thats asking you to buy digital items for real money!! there only getting away with it because of the numbnut idiots that keep allowing them to by buying crap with there money.. my issue is where does this end!! next they will take down everything you can buy off the crown store and use these little boxes as the only way to get stuff with these stupid gems YOU WILL BE PAYING MORE THAN ORIGINAL COST i can assure eveyone

Just saying, but not every country puts contractual obligations over their consumer rights, especially when we are talking about adhesion contracts. In fact, a big number of clauses of the TOS can be considered abusive and therefore completely null depending on your local law. And this can, in theory, be enforced (although it is hard) even if they don't have servers on these countries, as long as they provide the service in that certain country.

My issue with taking legal actions is that ZOS might start simply IP blocking countries to avoid these.

Abeille

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Lysette wrote: »

ZOS seems to be on the Crown Store marketing trip currently - I just got an email from ZOS offering me a special price for when I would want to buy a larger amount of items from the Crown Store for example to outfit all guildies with the same costumes. I emailed them back, that I would have been interested into that, if they would not have announced RNG boxes and ruined my enjoyment of the game. I said further, that I am really sorry, that they had to blew it, they could have been the exception, but now they are just another abusive MMO and that would no longer be worth my money.

A special "whale" offer - are they kidding me - after they announced RNG boxes - what are these guys even thinking?

I never get any mails like these ~.~

Not that I would buy Crowns anyway, I have plenty stockpiled from my sub (and I didn't get the mail about buying gifts either. I think they just don't like me. That explains why my Altmer still can't have black hair after all this time). All I got was this offer of a Skyrim Special Edition Strategy Guides from Bethesda, like if Skyrim needs any strategy to beat.

Edit: Oops I was supposed to edit the other post, not to post again. Sorry >.<

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Abeille wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

ZOS seems to be on the Crown Store marketing trip currently - I just got an email from ZOS offering me a special price for when I would want to buy a larger amount of items from the Crown Store for example to outfit all guildies with the same costumes. I emailed them back, that I would have been interested into that, if they would not have announced RNG boxes and ruined my enjoyment of the game. I said further, that I am really sorry, that they had to blew it, they could have been the exception, but now they are just another abusive MMO and that would no longer be worth my money.

A special "whale" offer - are they kidding me - after they announced RNG boxes - what are these guys even thinking?

I never get any mails like these ~.~

Not that I would buy Crowns anyway, I have plenty stockpiled from my sub (and I didn't get the mail about buying gifts either. I think they just don't like me. That explains why my Altmer still can't have black hair after all this time). All I got was this offer of a Skyrim Special Edition Strategy Guides from Bethesda, like if Skyrim needs any strategy to beat.

Edit: Oops I was supposed to edit the other post, not to post again. Sorry >.<

This is an offer which is related to "gifting" - it is not for myself, it would be for people I would want to gift costumes to. They basically offered me to tell them, what I would like to gift to which player and when they have all the data about what I would like to gift to others, they would make me a special price and make it happen - there is no other way to do that, so this is really a special offer outside of what is normally possible in the crown store. I would have loved that if it would not be about the RNG boxes - as well as I asked a while ago for an option to gift ESO+ to friends, which cannot afford it in their country. But it is too late now, they have really p*ssed me off this time and I won't give them any more money.

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Abeille wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

DYSEQTA wrote: »

Here's my thoughts.

If they put this in then I think I might just take this to the ACCC and alert them that Zenimax is taking part in gambling without a license in Australia. Putting in a couple of layers of misdirection does not change the fact that it is gambling involving real world money and I think it's high time our consumer law makers get involved in this farce.

I am sick to death of companies getting away with abusing their customers.

TOS they can do almost anything theses days there not forcing you and if you agree to the terms... ACCC cant even fix the petrol prices in AUS let alone a silly little kiddies game thats asking you to buy digital items for real money!! there only getting away with it because of the numbnut idiots that keep allowing them to by buying crap with there money.. my issue is where does this end!! next they will take down everything you can buy off the crown store and use these little boxes as the only way to get stuff with these stupid gems YOU WILL BE PAYING MORE THAN ORIGINAL COST i can assure eveyone

Just saying, but not every country puts contractual obligations over their consumer rights, especially when we are talking about adhesion contracts. In fact, a big number of clauses of the TOS can be considered abusive and therefore completely null depending on your local law. And this can, in theory, be enforced (although it is hard) even if they don't have servers on these countries, as long as they provide the service in that certain country.

My issue with taking legal actions is that ZOS might start simply IP blocking countries to avoid these.

the legal cost alone to try is worth more than prob 50000 silly little lock boxes... and they know that!!! only way to stop it is to not buy them at all BUT they know if they sell only 500 lock boxes ever they have won!! because its all revenue!!

laurajf

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

.

Lysette wrote: »

ZOS seems to be on the Crown Store marketing trip currently - I just got an email from ZOS offering me a special price for when I would want to buy a larger amount of items from the Crown Store for example to outfit all guildies with the same costumes. I emailed them back, that I would have been interested into that, if they would not have announced RNG boxes and ruined my enjoyment of the game. I said further, that I am really sorry, that they had to blew it, they could have been the exception, but now they are just another abusive MMO and that would no longer be worth my money.

A special "whale" offer - are they kidding me - after they announced RNG boxes - what are these guys even thinking?

I got that too and my sub hasn't even expired yet. Close but not quite yet. I responded back with my thoughts on these RNG boxes.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

snakester320 wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

DYSEQTA wrote: »

Here's my thoughts.

If they put this in then I think I might just take this to the ACCC and alert them that Zenimax is taking part in gambling without a license in Australia. Putting in a couple of layers of misdirection does not change the fact that it is gambling involving real world money and I think it's high time our consumer law makers get involved in this farce.

I am sick to death of companies getting away with abusing their customers.

TOS they can do almost anything theses days there not forcing you and if you agree to the terms... ACCC cant even fix the petrol prices in AUS let alone a silly little kiddies game thats asking you to buy digital items for real money!! there only getting away with it because of the numbnut idiots that keep allowing them to by buying crap with there money.. my issue is where does this end!! next they will take down everything you can buy off the crown store and use these little boxes as the only way to get stuff with these stupid gems YOU WILL BE PAYING MORE THAN ORIGINAL COST i can assure eveyone

Just saying, but not every country puts contractual obligations over their consumer rights, especially when we are talking about adhesion contracts. In fact, a big number of clauses of the TOS can be considered abusive and therefore completely null depending on your local law. And this can, in theory, be enforced (although it is hard) even if they don't have servers on these countries, as long as they provide the service in that certain country.

My issue with taking legal actions is that ZOS might start simply IP blocking countries to avoid these.

the legal cost alone to try is worth more than prob 50000 silly little lock boxes... and they know that!!! only way to stop it is to not buy them at all BUT they know if they sell only 500 lock boxes ever they have won!! because its all revenue!!

It depends on the country, in Germany it would cost nothing at all to get the stone rolling - simply because it would be a state-driven investigation and if there is a court case a state-driven prosecution. This is not a private issue in this case, but in the interest of the state and would be paid with tax payer's money. All it would take is to give them a hint, where to look at.

Problem with this is - it would mostly hit innocent people - players on the same server for example.

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Okay, here's a stray fun little exercise. Someone was giving me flak about my predictions the other night.

I'm going to stress up front, this is not a prediction. I do not think this is what will happen.

It's two years from now. August 2018, the in game population is actually lower than now, particularly in starter zones. Craglorn is the most crowded non-DLC zone, (because of people reading the old comments about it being the best grind spot in the game).

There's an (incorrect) perception that the Werewolf and Vampire spawns have been completely removed from the game, and werewolf bites have been bugged, and reported bugged, for six months on the forums, so the only new wolves are coming from the crown shop.

There are now 15 classes. The basic four, which anyone can access. The Warden, and Mage that were added in update 17 in July, and are kind of underwhelming. If you let your ESO+ subscription lapse, or down own the DLC, any characters you've rolled with those classes become locked until you cough up some cash.

There's also the Necromancer (which was available as a random drop from the Crafting Crates for two weeks back in January). It is hilariously powerful, and the only pet class in the game without a simultaneous pet limit.

There's the Vampire Lord (which is a class morph consumable that completely overwrites your previous class and was a random drop from the crown boxes for Halloween last year).

They've also been dribbling out class morphs, which are consumables that, when used, permanently alter your existing class, swapping out one of the skill lines. Nightblades have received The Assassin and Acrobat. Sorcerers have received the Witchhunter and Druid morphs, the (latter receives werewolf buffs while any of their toggles are active, it's a known issue, but has been left unfixed for months). Templars have received the Crusader and Cleric morphs. Dragon Knights have received the Battlemage morph, and loads of derision.

Morphs were available through the supply crates for three weeks each, and are now in the gem shop only (they cost roughly 300 gems (about $30 worth of duplicate items) each), and raise the level cap to 90, though they appear to cap at 40 (just like how normal skills can be advanced back to rank 4 once morphed). This is bugged, so that the character appears to be well below the level cap to the UI, but is in fact a level 90. Update 16 broke these, slightly, and you now actually see morphed characters' levels instead of their CR.

PvP has been overrun by necromancers, and Cyrodiil is an impressive lagfest, even by our standards. There's usually only 20 or 30 players there at a time, but on any given day, most of them are necromancers, with 50 or 60 undead minions at their command, each, and with the swarm of bones passive that allows skeletons and zombies to deal siege damage to structures Cyrodiil has become a wasteland of undeath.

Since the introduction of Crown supply crates, there hasn't been a single item introduced into the shop for more than 1.8k crowns. Everything that would have been above that price point has gone into the boxes instead. Crafting boxes have been added to the crown store. These are classified as a "convenience" item to save players the trouble of collecting resources themselves, cost 350 crowns, and include a mix of crown store specific materials. They can include Aetheric Resin, a material that replaces any upgrade material with a 100% upgrade chance, aetheric infused leather, aetheric pine, aether cloth, and aetheric steel. Each piece can produce an item of any level, including CR200 items (though CR200 items require ten pieces each). The average box includes ~5 pieces, split between these types).

But, hey, Vvardenfell's just been announced. \o/

There's your requested, doom and gloom.

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Abeille wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

ZOS seems to be on the Crown Store marketing trip currently - I just got an email from ZOS offering me a special price for when I would want to buy a larger amount of items from the Crown Store for example to outfit all guildies with the same costumes. I emailed them back, that I would have been interested into that, if they would not have announced RNG boxes and ruined my enjoyment of the game. I said further, that I am really sorry, that they had to blew it, they could have been the exception, but now they are just another abusive MMO and that would no longer be worth my money.

A special "whale" offer - are they kidding me - after they announced RNG boxes - what are these guys even thinking?

I never get any mails like these ~.~

Not that I would buy Crowns anyway, I have plenty stockpiled from my sub (and I didn't get the mail about buying gifts either. I think they just don't like me. That explains why my Altmer still can't have black hair after all this time). All I got was this offer of a Skyrim Special Edition Strategy Guides from Bethesda, like if Skyrim needs any strategy to beat.

Edit: Oops I was supposed to edit the other post, not to post again. Sorry >.<

Well, like I said awhile ago, Star Trek Online and TSW both keep sending me emails telling me how lonely they are, and how badly they want me back. Hell, STO gave me a T6 galaxy class ship (a $30 C-Store item) last year, in an attempt to get me to come back. (It worked, briefly.) TSW's offers haven't.

But, then again, I do have a Lifetime sub in both games (also in Champions Online), so that does probably make them want me back a little bit more.

Synfaer

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I see the forum administrators are running true to form..

They have closed 2 popular active threads that were that were very much against this marketing decision by ZOS and kept this one going since it has a small percentage actually supporting the decision (even though its only 30% support).

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/286696/how-many-would-you-be-willing-to-buy-before-you-gave-up/p1

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3294705#Comment_3294705

I have no doubt this will earn ZOS some money in the short term but at the detriment of game longevity.
If things are this desperate that the ignore that the majority of this games community are against this and still go ahead...well that does not bode well for the future.
When the community perception changes from game developer that cares about the game & community to a game developer that doesn't listen to its customers then its days are numbered as the only people that the game attracts will be those that don't care either.

Jazbay_Grape

All I know is that this thing has got to 69 pages and counting and the vast majority of people contributing to this thread are more than just not in favor of these. I don't know if any other change or addition to the game that they have proposed in the past has ever generated this kind of reaction. If whomever is making the call on these lottery boxes isn't, at the very least, contemplating the loss of subs and overall outcry that this is causing, then these forums are unfortunately being rendered useless as far as providing feedback that matters. It's starting to feel like a waste of time.

Jazbay_Grape

Hey ZOZ, you have a free focus group right here in these forums in order to assist with your cost/benefit analysis. Maybe you should try, I don't know, considering that.

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Jazbay_Grape wrote: »

Hey ZOZ, you have a free focus group right here in these forums in order to assist with your cost/benefit analysis. Maybe you should try, I don't know, considering that.

Its not just here, if you look at other media platforms, reddit etc. you get the real unfiltered reaction to this. Which basically if I were to post it here it would look something like this:

***** this **** it **** zos **** so I ***** with a cherry on top

GhostwalkerLD

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Already posted in this thread once, and I'm posting again, because I really, really, REALLY do NOT want this game to go down the same path that virtually every other MMO has gone with these lockboxes. I feared it was coming the minute they announced the whole cash store/crown store thing, and sure enough, my fears have been realized.

DO NOT DO THIS, ZOS. I am begging you. This is the only MMO so far that has not gone down this blatant cash-grab route, and you have the vast majority of people who have taken this poll alone making their opinion clear: WE ARE AGAINST THIS.

Knootewoot

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

As long as it's cosmetics I have no issues with it.

I would not buy it though because in the end you end up spending more money then just subbing.

If they however feel to add pay to win stuff to the boxes, well that would not be acceptable imho.

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Knootewoot wrote: »

As long as it's cosmetics I have no issues with it.

I would not buy it though because in the end you end up spending more money then just subbing.

If they however feel to add pay to win stuff to the boxes, well that would not be acceptable imho.

You wouldn't buy it because it is stupidly expensive?You don't care this is making this game go down the same path as many other f2p?

Many of us have played this game since launch because it's not like cheap f2p MMO's. We don't want the damage to the game and community that comes with it.

If they are willing to sell random loot crates where will it stop. These random loot crates show a desire for them to such dry the wallets of their players. what will they implement next?

chjumaliev

No, don't ever add these into the game.

nimander99 wrote: »

Jazbay_Grape wrote: »

Hey ZOZ, you have a free focus group right here in these forums in order to assist with your cost/benefit analysis. Maybe you should try, I don't know, considering that.

Its not just here, if you look at other media platforms, reddit etc. you get the real unfiltered reaction to this. Which basically if I were to post it here it would look something like this:

***** this **** it **** zos **** so I ***** with a cherry on top

People are different

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/4z7pzz/what_do_you_think_of_crown_random_boxes/

Morimizo

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

starkerealm wrote: »

Okay, here's a stray fun little exercise. Someone was giving me flak about my predictions the other night.

I'm going to stress up front, this is not a prediction. I do not think this is what will happen.

It's two years from now. August 2018, the in game population is actually lower than now, particularly in starter zones. Craglorn is the most crowded non-DLC zone, (because of people reading the old comments about it being the best grind spot in the game).

There's an (incorrect) perception that the Werewolf and Vampire spawns have been completely removed from the game, and werewolf bites have been bugged, and reported bugged, for six months on the forums, so the only new wolves are coming from the crown shop.

There are now 15 classes. The basic four, which anyone can access. The Warden, and Mage that were added in update 17 in July, and are kind of underwhelming. If you let your ESO+ subscription lapse, or down own the DLC, any characters you've rolled with those classes become locked until you cough up some cash.

There's also the Necromancer (which was available as a random drop from the Crafting Crates for two weeks back in January). It is hilariously powerful, and the only pet class in the game without a simultaneous pet limit.

There's the Vampire Lord (which is a class morph consumable that completely overwrites your previous class and was a random drop from the crown boxes for Halloween last year).

They've also been dribbling out class morphs, which are consumables that, when used, permanently alter your existing class, swapping out one of the skill lines. Nightblades have received The Assassin and Acrobat. Sorcerers have received the Witchhunter and Druid morphs, the (latter receives werewolf buffs while any of their toggles are active, it's a known issue, but has been left unfixed for months). Templars have received the Crusader and Cleric morphs. Dragon Knights have received the Battlemage morph, and loads of derision.

Morphs were available through the supply crates for three weeks each, and are now in the gem shop only (they cost roughly 300 gems (about $30 worth of duplicate items) each), and raise the level cap to 90, though they appear to cap at 40 (just like how normal skills can be advanced back to rank 4 once morphed). This is bugged, so that the character appears to be well below the level cap to the UI, but is in fact a level 90. Update 16 broke these, slightly, and you now actually see morphed characters' levels instead of their CR.

PvP has been overrun by necromancers, and Cyrodiil is an impressive lagfest, even by our standards. There's usually only 20 or 30 players there at a time, but on any given day, most of them are necromancers, with 50 or 60 undead minions at their command, each, and with the swarm of bones passive that allows skeletons and zombies to deal siege damage to structures Cyrodiil has become a wasteland of undeath.

Since the introduction of Crown supply crates, there hasn't been a single item introduced into the shop for more than 1.8k crowns. Everything that would have been above that price point has gone into the boxes instead. Crafting boxes have been added to the crown store. These are classified as a "convenience" item to save players the trouble of collecting resources themselves, cost 350 crowns, and include a mix of crown store specific materials. They can include Aetheric Resin, a material that replaces any upgrade material with a 100% upgrade chance, aetheric infused leather, aetheric pine, aether cloth, and aetheric steel. Each piece can produce an item of any level, including CR200 items (though CR200 items require ten pieces each). The average box includes ~5 pieces, split between these types).

But, hey, Vvardenfell's just been announced. \o/

There's your requested, doom and gloom.

Hysterical!

If you would be so kind to indulge an addition I believe you may have omitted (no doubt on purpose so as not to scare the kiddies too much):

With the introduction of dueling in PVE areas, PVE'ers and RP's became so disillusioned by their respective broken immersions, that many left (except the Crown Crate-betting patrons of the Fight Club in Davon's Watch Outlaw's Refuge; very popular spot, that); in fact, mostly PVP'ers remained.

So, with Update 14, Open World PVP was finally introduced, but something was missing...

And in Update 15, Siege mechanics hit in full force. Beloved Mage's Guild and Fighter's Guild halls, Banks, Stables, Craft Halls, and Inns, were felled in every city, by Trebuchets and battering Daedroth head rams, and the Necromancer's Undead hordes finished off every surprised NPC more efficiently than a million Blades of Woe.

However, the problem was once everything was destroyed, for some reason nothing reset properly, and the whole place, every city, every hamlet, every farmhouse, was a pile of rubble, then pebbles, then dust, then gone. As of Update 17, this has still not been remedied, but the good news is that there is hope that more than the level geometry will be visible by the next update. *fingers crossed*

An illicit twitter post, written by the "one-who-must-not-be-named, but is the one-who-made-all-these-recent-decisions" was unearthed by a savvy member of the community, who in turn revealed the most polarizing of the quotes:

"I just wanted to destroy something beautiful..."

Cheers!

Tsute

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Morimizo wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

"I just wanted to destroy something beautiful..."

Cheers!

Do you know Tyler Durden? He's an amazing man!