Hand_Bacon wrote: »There hasn't been this much proselytization about the end of ESO since last week.
I hope they feature a doomsday mount in the box.
jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »I might get this Reply removed, but so be it. I guess most of the people that say they don't line the Crown Boxes is that they are/worry about gambling addicts ( from what I have read ), I understand that ( I am not a gambling addict, but have been told that I am an alcoholic, so I don't take a drink ). Anyway back to what I want to say: do you live in states ( in US ) on in countries that have lottery's ( also you are legal age ), if so, Do you buy excessive amount if lottery tickets. Probably not. So way are these so bad. If you don't like the idea then DON'T BUY THEM,
That's all I have to say. And the words of Mick Foley ( WWE former wrestler ): HAVE A GOOD DAY.
I don't buy excessive (or any) lottery tickets, however, I would be uncomfortable to be with people spending a lot of money that they often cannot afford, in the hope that they will win a life changing amount. Their life does change, but normally for the worse.
Regardless of potential issues people have with addiction, the major issue here is exploiting customer's wallets. People want x mount, they are happy to pay xxx crowns for said mount. No one is arguing over this. However, to make people have to buy random boxes and potentially spend xxxxxxx crowns for the mount is the issue. People want to buy specific items for a specific price. They can then budget for it. They do not want to be in a situation where they have no idea how much a mount will cost them, or even any idea if they will actually get it.
I go on itunes to buy a certain album for £10. I want that album so I buy it. I don't want to go to Itunes and give them £3 and there is a 1/1,000 chance I will get the album I want. I might save money but the maths says it is 999 times more likely I will not get what I am looking for.
The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor - in the unlikely case to win, you would would not get the album you like, but a random album, regardless if you want this album or not. And just if you have that album already, you get gems to buy that album which you like from an extra store - but it might just cost a little more gems than you have - so you have to keep gambling or your "win" was just a handful of worthless gems with which you can buy nothing of that what you want.
so you've seen them..... or is that just more speculation?
This is how it works - you will just get gems, if you have that item already in your collection - if not, that item is added to your collection, if you want it or not - you do not have the ability to exchange an unwanted item with a wanted one. They said this and I just put that into the metaphor offered in the post I replied to.
If people expect to get the wanted item in the case they win, they are mistaken - it will be a random item of those offered in those boxes - and if you do not have it already, that will be your win. No way to say, "no I do not want this, I want something else" - the answer ZOS is giving to that is "you got an item, you did not have it yet, so this is your win now. If you want to win something else, well here are the boxes, buy a couple more of those"
no. i was commenting on the bit where you said 'The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor' the bolding and italics are mine for emphasis....
you state definitively that the boxes are even worse - suggesting that you have seen them..... my question stands -
have you seen them or are you just speculating?
No one has seen the boxes, so everyone is speculating, including you. The entire point of the thread is to speculate and render opinions based on what we know and what we think we can expect. Saying "you're just speculating" over and over again adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. You might as well just respond to every post with "You typed text in that post!" and it would be just as valuable to the overall discussion.
whereas making increasingly wild unfounded claims is useful?
No but discussing our experiences in other games that have gone down similar paths, and extrapolating from those experiences what directions ZOS might take, and how those decisions might affect how often we play ESO or how much enjoyment we derive from it... those all seem like perfectly valid things to discuss in this thread.
and if that were the case i would not be having this conversation with you.
jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »I might get this Reply removed, but so be it. I guess most of the people that say they don't line the Crown Boxes is that they are/worry about gambling addicts ( from what I have read ), I understand that ( I am not a gambling addict, but have been told that I am an alcoholic, so I don't take a drink ). Anyway back to what I want to say: do you live in states ( in US ) on in countries that have lottery's ( also you are legal age ), if so, Do you buy excessive amount if lottery tickets. Probably not. So way are these so bad. If you don't like the idea then DON'T BUY THEM,
That's all I have to say. And the words of Mick Foley ( WWE former wrestler ): HAVE A GOOD DAY.
I don't buy excessive (or any) lottery tickets, however, I would be uncomfortable to be with people spending a lot of money that they often cannot afford, in the hope that they will win a life changing amount. Their life does change, but normally for the worse.
Regardless of potential issues people have with addiction, the major issue here is exploiting customer's wallets. People want x mount, they are happy to pay xxx crowns for said mount. No one is arguing over this. However, to make people have to buy random boxes and potentially spend xxxxxxx crowns for the mount is the issue. People want to buy specific items for a specific price. They can then budget for it. They do not want to be in a situation where they have no idea how much a mount will cost them, or even any idea if they will actually get it.
I go on itunes to buy a certain album for £10. I want that album so I buy it. I don't want to go to Itunes and give them £3 and there is a 1/1,000 chance I will get the album I want. I might save money but the maths says it is 999 times more likely I will not get what I am looking for.
The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor - in the unlikely case to win, you would would not get the album you like, but a random album, regardless if you want this album or not. And just if you have that album already, you get gems to buy that album which you like from an extra store - but it might just cost a little more gems than you have - so you have to keep gambling or your "win" was just a handful of worthless gems with which you can buy nothing of that what you want.
so you've seen them..... or is that just more speculation?
This is how it works - you will just get gems, if you have that item already in your collection - if not, that item is added to your collection, if you want it or not - you do not have the ability to exchange an unwanted item with a wanted one. They said this and I just put that into the metaphor offered in the post I replied to.
If people expect to get the wanted item in the case they win, they are mistaken - it will be a random item of those offered in those boxes - and if you do not have it already, that will be your win. No way to say, "no I do not want this, I want something else" - the answer ZOS is giving to that is "you got an item, you did not have it yet, so this is your win now. If you want to win something else, well here are the boxes, buy a couple more of those"
no. i was commenting on the bit where you said 'The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor' the bolding and italics are mine for emphasis....
you state definitively that the boxes are even worse - suggesting that you have seen them..... my question stands -
have you seen them or are you just speculating?
No one has seen the boxes, so everyone is speculating, including you. The entire point of the thread is to speculate and render opinions based on what we know and what we think we can expect. Saying "you're just speculating" over and over again adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. You might as well just respond to every post with "You typed text in that post!" and it would be just as valuable to the overall discussion.
whereas making increasingly wild unfounded claims is useful?
No but discussing our experiences in other games that have gone down similar paths, and extrapolating from those experiences what directions ZOS might take, and how those decisions might affect how often we play ESO or how much enjoyment we derive from it... those all seem like perfectly valid things to discuss in this thread.
and if that were the case i would not be having this conversation with you.
Well, looking at the quote tree we have going here, I see Lysette more or less addressing exactly what we know about how the lockboxes will work and venturing an opinion on how that relates to a metaphor from another poster. I certainly don't see any "increasingly wild unfounded claims." I mean, "increasingly wild unfounded claims" in my mind would be something like "crown lockboxes will break up your parent's marriage" or "ZOS will subtract one CP every day you don't buy a box."
jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »I might get this Reply removed, but so be it. I guess most of the people that say they don't line the Crown Boxes is that they are/worry about gambling addicts ( from what I have read ), I understand that ( I am not a gambling addict, but have been told that I am an alcoholic, so I don't take a drink ). Anyway back to what I want to say: do you live in states ( in US ) on in countries that have lottery's ( also you are legal age ), if so, Do you buy excessive amount if lottery tickets. Probably not. So way are these so bad. If you don't like the idea then DON'T BUY THEM,
That's all I have to say. And the words of Mick Foley ( WWE former wrestler ): HAVE A GOOD DAY.
I don't buy excessive (or any) lottery tickets, however, I would be uncomfortable to be with people spending a lot of money that they often cannot afford, in the hope that they will win a life changing amount. Their life does change, but normally for the worse.
Regardless of potential issues people have with addiction, the major issue here is exploiting customer's wallets. People want x mount, they are happy to pay xxx crowns for said mount. No one is arguing over this. However, to make people have to buy random boxes and potentially spend xxxxxxx crowns for the mount is the issue. People want to buy specific items for a specific price. They can then budget for it. They do not want to be in a situation where they have no idea how much a mount will cost them, or even any idea if they will actually get it.
I go on itunes to buy a certain album for £10. I want that album so I buy it. I don't want to go to Itunes and give them £3 and there is a 1/1,000 chance I will get the album I want. I might save money but the maths says it is 999 times more likely I will not get what I am looking for.
The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor - in the unlikely case to win, you would would not get the album you like, but a random album, regardless if you want this album or not. And just if you have that album already, you get gems to buy that album which you like from an extra store - but it might just cost a little more gems than you have - so you have to keep gambling or your "win" was just a handful of worthless gems with which you can buy nothing of that what you want.
so you've seen them..... or is that just more speculation?
This is how it works - you will just get gems, if you have that item already in your collection - if not, that item is added to your collection, if you want it or not - you do not have the ability to exchange an unwanted item with a wanted one. They said this and I just put that into the metaphor offered in the post I replied to.
If people expect to get the wanted item in the case they win, they are mistaken - it will be a random item of those offered in those boxes - and if you do not have it already, that will be your win. No way to say, "no I do not want this, I want something else" - the answer ZOS is giving to that is "you got an item, you did not have it yet, so this is your win now. If you want to win something else, well here are the boxes, buy a couple more of those"
no. i was commenting on the bit where you said 'The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor' the bolding and italics are mine for emphasis....
you state definitively that the boxes are even worse - suggesting that you have seen them..... my question stands -
have you seen them or are you just speculating?
No one has seen the boxes, so everyone is speculating, including you. The entire point of the thread is to speculate and render opinions based on what we know and what we think we can expect. Saying "you're just speculating" over and over again adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. You might as well just respond to every post with "You typed text in that post!" and it would be just as valuable to the overall discussion.
whereas making increasingly wild unfounded claims is useful?
No but discussing our experiences in other games that have gone down similar paths, and extrapolating from those experiences what directions ZOS might take, and how those decisions might affect how often we play ESO or how much enjoyment we derive from it... those all seem like perfectly valid things to discuss in this thread.
and if that were the case i would not be having this conversation with you.
Well, looking at the quote tree we have going here, I see Lysette more or less addressing exactly what we know about how the lockboxes will work and venturing an opinion on how that relates to a metaphor from another poster. I certainly don't see any "increasingly wild unfounded claims." I mean, "increasingly wild unfounded claims" in my mind would be something like "crown lockboxes will break up your parent's marriage" or "ZOS will subtract one CP every day you don't buy a box."
try taking it from the top of the thread....you may then see what i mean.
I certainly don't see any "increasingly wild unfounded claims." I mean, "increasingly wild unfounded claims" in my mind would be something like "crown lockboxes will break up your parent's marriage" or "ZOS will subtract one CP every day you don't buy a box."jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »I might get this Reply removed, but so be it. I guess most of the people that say they don't line the Crown Boxes is that they are/worry about gambling addicts ( from what I have read ), I understand that ( I am not a gambling addict, but have been told that I am an alcoholic, so I don't take a drink ). Anyway back to what I want to say: do you live in states ( in US ) on in countries that have lottery's ( also you are legal age ), if so, Do you buy excessive amount if lottery tickets. Probably not. So way are these so bad. If you don't like the idea then DON'T BUY THEM,
That's all I have to say. And the words of Mick Foley ( WWE former wrestler ): HAVE A GOOD DAY.
I don't buy excessive (or any) lottery tickets, however, I would be uncomfortable to be with people spending a lot of money that they often cannot afford, in the hope that they will win a life changing amount. Their life does change, but normally for the worse.
Regardless of potential issues people have with addiction, the major issue here is exploiting customer's wallets. People want x mount, they are happy to pay xxx crowns for said mount. No one is arguing over this. However, to make people have to buy random boxes and potentially spend xxxxxxx crowns for the mount is the issue. People want to buy specific items for a specific price. They can then budget for it. They do not want to be in a situation where they have no idea how much a mount will cost them, or even any idea if they will actually get it.
I go on itunes to buy a certain album for £10. I want that album so I buy it. I don't want to go to Itunes and give them £3 and there is a 1/1,000 chance I will get the album I want. I might save money but the maths says it is 999 times more likely I will not get what I am looking for.
The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor - in the unlikely case to win, you would would not get the album you like, but a random album, regardless if you want this album or not. And just if you have that album already, you get gems to buy that album which you like from an extra store - but it might just cost a little more gems than you have - so you have to keep gambling or your "win" was just a handful of worthless gems with which you can buy nothing of that what you want.
so you've seen them..... or is that just more speculation?
This is how it works - you will just get gems, if you have that item already in your collection - if not, that item is added to your collection, if you want it or not - you do not have the ability to exchange an unwanted item with a wanted one. They said this and I just put that into the metaphor offered in the post I replied to.
If people expect to get the wanted item in the case they win, they are mistaken - it will be a random item of those offered in those boxes - and if you do not have it already, that will be your win. No way to say, "no I do not want this, I want something else" - the answer ZOS is giving to that is "you got an item, you did not have it yet, so this is your win now. If you want to win something else, well here are the boxes, buy a couple more of those"
no. i was commenting on the bit where you said 'The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor' the bolding and italics are mine for emphasis....
you state definitively that the boxes are even worse - suggesting that you have seen them..... my question stands -
have you seen them or are you just speculating?
No one has seen the boxes, so everyone is speculating, including you. The entire point of the thread is to speculate and render opinions based on what we know and what we think we can expect. Saying "you're just speculating" over and over again adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. You might as well just respond to every post with "You typed text in that post!" and it would be just as valuable to the overall discussion.
whereas making increasingly wild unfounded claims is useful?
No but discussing our experiences in other games that have gone down similar paths, and extrapolating from those experiences what directions ZOS might take, and how those decisions might affect how often we play ESO or how much enjoyment we derive from it... those all seem like perfectly valid things to discuss in this thread.
and if that were the case i would not be having this conversation with you.
clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »First of all I am totally against this. I have seen what it does in other games.
With that said, you can forget them ever not doing this. This is a cash cow of a massive scale. People will pay anything to get certain things in game, yes I am looking at you Housing.
There is going to be so much rage in the future. People will leave as stated in this thread. But more will come in to the game. But I think the sheep mentality will finally rule out, even with some of the people saying they will leave.
Soft caps, aoe caps, cheating, crown store, b2p, all of this has come and gone and eso is still here. It will be still here after lockboxes. It will still be here after housing is added to the store to much dismay. The sheep will follow and spend their money.
It only question anyone needs to ask themselves is "can I take this Bulls hit?" If the answer is yes stay and if not leave.
The business practices of MMO's of recent years has made me decide that single player RPGs are probably where I will be heading back to after playing MMO's for 20 years. It is kind of depressing but all will be well.
I will not be a sheep.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
Cazzy, you're AGAIN speculating about things when you have absolutely no info, just for the fun of predicting the worst.
You have already backtracked from your decision to leave, just like wonkydog and Lysette (she backtracked on suing) , that's fine, but then please stop the drama. Be positive.
clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »On page 41 I said this...clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »First of all I am totally against this. I have seen what it does in other games.
With that said, you can forget them ever not doing this. This is a cash cow of a massive scale. People will pay anything to get certain things in game, yes I am looking at you Housing.
There is going to be so much rage in the future. People will leave as stated in this thread. But more will come in to the game. But I think the sheep mentality will finally rule out, even with some of the people saying they will leave.
Soft caps, aoe caps, cheating, crown store, b2p, all of this has come and gone and eso is still here. It will be still here after lockboxes. It will still be here after housing is added to the store to much dismay. The sheep will follow and spend their money.
It only question anyone needs to ask themselves is "can I take this Bulls hit?" If the answer is yes stay and if not leave.
The business practices of MMO's of recent years has made me decide that single player RPGs are probably where I will be heading back to after playing MMO's for 20 years. It is kind of depressing but all will be well.
I will not be a sheep.
Then I see this...anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
Cazzy, you're AGAIN speculating about things when you have absolutely no info, just for the fun of predicting the worst.
You have already backtracked from your decision to leave, just like wonkydog and Lysette (she backtracked on suing) , that's fine, but then please stop the drama. Be positive.
I really thought I was going to have to wait till the end of the year to say "Look these people didn't leave." But the reality was I only had to wait 24 pages.
I really don't want these in game and I stick by what I said in the quote. I'm going back to single player RPGs. Don't be so wishy washy people. That is the only way to make ZOS see the light. Withhold your money from them. Don't log in to their servers. That is all they understand.
clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »On page 41 I said this...clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »First of all I am totally against this. I have seen what it does in other games.
With that said, you can forget them ever not doing this. This is a cash cow of a massive scale. People will pay anything to get certain things in game, yes I am looking at you Housing.
There is going to be so much rage in the future. People will leave as stated in this thread. But more will come in to the game. But I think the sheep mentality will finally rule out, even with some of the people saying they will leave.
Soft caps, aoe caps, cheating, crown store, b2p, all of this has come and gone and eso is still here. It will be still here after lockboxes. It will still be here after housing is added to the store to much dismay. The sheep will follow and spend their money.
It only question anyone needs to ask themselves is "can I take this Bulls hit?" If the answer is yes stay and if not leave.
The business practices of MMO's of recent years has made me decide that single player RPGs are probably where I will be heading back to after playing MMO's for 20 years. It is kind of depressing but all will be well.
I will not be a sheep.
Then I see this...anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
Cazzy, you're AGAIN speculating about things when you have absolutely no info, just for the fun of predicting the worst.
You have already backtracked from your decision to leave, just like wonkydog and Lysette (she backtracked on suing) , that's fine, but then please stop the drama. Be positive.
I really thought I was going to have to wait till the end of the year to say "Look these people didn't leave." But the reality was I only had to wait 24 pages.
I really don't want these in game and I stick by what I said in the quote. I'm going back to single player RPGs. Don't be so wishy washy people. That is the only way to make ZOS see the light. Withhold your money from them. Don't log in to their servers. That is all they understand.
starkerealm wrote: »clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »On page 41 I said this...clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »First of all I am totally against this. I have seen what it does in other games.
With that said, you can forget them ever not doing this. This is a cash cow of a massive scale. People will pay anything to get certain things in game, yes I am looking at you Housing.
There is going to be so much rage in the future. People will leave as stated in this thread. But more will come in to the game. But I think the sheep mentality will finally rule out, even with some of the people saying they will leave.
Soft caps, aoe caps, cheating, crown store, b2p, all of this has come and gone and eso is still here. It will be still here after lockboxes. It will still be here after housing is added to the store to much dismay. The sheep will follow and spend their money.
It only question anyone needs to ask themselves is "can I take this Bulls hit?" If the answer is yes stay and if not leave.
The business practices of MMO's of recent years has made me decide that single player RPGs are probably where I will be heading back to after playing MMO's for 20 years. It is kind of depressing but all will be well.
I will not be a sheep.
Then I see this...anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
Cazzy, you're AGAIN speculating about things when you have absolutely no info, just for the fun of predicting the worst.
You have already backtracked from your decision to leave, just like wonkydog and Lysette (she backtracked on suing) , that's fine, but then please stop the drama. Be positive.
I really thought I was going to have to wait till the end of the year to say "Look these people didn't leave." But the reality was I only had to wait 24 pages.
I really don't want these in game and I stick by what I said in the quote. I'm going back to single player RPGs. Don't be so wishy washy people. That is the only way to make ZOS see the light. Withhold your money from them. Don't log in to their servers. That is all they understand.
Well, my significant other has canceled her sub. I've spent less than 10 minutes logged in since this was announced. You might still see me on the forums by the end of the year... but I kinda doubt it.
starkerealm wrote: »@clayandaudrey_ESO, in general, I don't think you're wrong about players saying they'll leave over something and then not following through. It's just, this is not one of those times. This is something people feel very strongly about, to the point that they're willing to leave rather than watch the unfolding carnage to a game they used to enjoy.
Unless you're @elvenmad, poor guy can't look away.
clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »@clayandaudrey_ESO, in general, I don't think you're wrong about players saying they'll leave over something and then not following through. It's just, this is not one of those times. This is something people feel very strongly about, to the point that they're willing to leave rather than watch the unfolding carnage to a game they used to enjoy.
Unless you're @elvenmad, poor guy can't look away.
Yeah I know. This game that I have loved for 3 years is going to be a memory to me now. I can't stay. The whole cheating debacle that has been going since beta and now this is just too much.
I really hope that this doesn't come to pass. If for some reason it does go away I will come back but my trust is just gone.
And @Cazzy I am not attacking you. Sorry that my frustration came out a little but it usually does when something you love goes away. Hitting zos where it hurts is the only course of action that will make them see. Just wish more people would do it as well.
clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »@clayandaudrey_ESO, in general, I don't think you're wrong about players saying they'll leave over something and then not following through. It's just, this is not one of those times. This is something people feel very strongly about, to the point that they're willing to leave rather than watch the unfolding carnage to a game they used to enjoy.
Unless you're @elvenmad, poor guy can't look away.
Yeah I know. This game that I have loved for 3 years is going to be a memory to me now. I can't stay. The whole cheating debacle that has been going since beta and now this is just too much.
I really hope that this doesn't come to pass. If for some reason it does go away I will come back but my trust is just gone.
And @Cazzy I am not attacking you. Sorry that my frustration came out a little but it usually does when something you love goes away. Hitting zos where it hurts is the only course of action that will make them see. Just wish more people would do it as well.
starkerealm wrote: »@clayandaudrey_ESO, in general, I don't think you're wrong about players saying they'll leave over something and then not following through. It's just, this is not one of those times. This is something people feel very strongly about, to the point that they're willing to leave rather than watch the unfolding carnage to a game they used to enjoy.
Unless you're @elvenmad, poor guy can't look away.
DaveMoeDee wrote: »Since there are limited mount possibilities, if someone already has all other mounts, would that guarantee them the exclusive mount or might they get a box of nothing?
DaveMoeDee wrote: »
I like how the ZOS community managers are avoiding this thread like the plague.
"Maybe if we ignore the problem, it will go away."
I like how the ZOS community managers are avoiding this thread like the plague.
"Maybe if we ignore the problem, it will go away."
They have no control, garbage ideas like this come right from the top and speaking up against them is a good way to lose face at your place of employment. We should not expect anyone at ZOS to do anything more than repeat the official press release copy and otherwise treat this as a done deal.
DaveMoeDee wrote: »
I like how the ZOS community managers are avoiding this thread like the plague.
"Maybe if we ignore the problem, it will go away."
They have no control, garbage ideas like this come right from the top and speaking up against them is a good way to lose face at your place of employment. We should not expect anyone at ZOS to do anything more than repeat the official press release copy and otherwise treat this as a done deal.
It is sad that people are more concerned with losing face at their job than doing the right thing or listening to the vast majority of their audience.