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What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?
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jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsHand_Bacon wrote: »There hasn't been this much proselytization about the end of ESO since last week.
I hope they feature a doomsday mount in the box.
would it be a dusty dark grey with its ribs sticking out and a bad cough?0 -
wayfarerx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsjedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »I might get this Reply removed, but so be it. I guess most of the people that say they don't line the Crown Boxes is that they are/worry about gambling addicts ( from what I have read ), I understand that ( I am not a gambling addict, but have been told that I am an alcoholic, so I don't take a drink ). Anyway back to what I want to say: do you live in states ( in US ) on in countries that have lottery's ( also you are legal age ), if so, Do you buy excessive amount if lottery tickets. Probably not. So way are these so bad. If you don't like the idea then DON'T BUY THEM,
That's all I have to say. And the words of Mick Foley ( WWE former wrestler ): HAVE A GOOD DAY.
I don't buy excessive (or any) lottery tickets, however, I would be uncomfortable to be with people spending a lot of money that they often cannot afford, in the hope that they will win a life changing amount. Their life does change, but normally for the worse.
Regardless of potential issues people have with addiction, the major issue here is exploiting customer's wallets. People want x mount, they are happy to pay xxx crowns for said mount. No one is arguing over this. However, to make people have to buy random boxes and potentially spend xxxxxxx crowns for the mount is the issue. People want to buy specific items for a specific price. They can then budget for it. They do not want to be in a situation where they have no idea how much a mount will cost them, or even any idea if they will actually get it.
I go on itunes to buy a certain album for £10. I want that album so I buy it. I don't want to go to Itunes and give them £3 and there is a 1/1,000 chance I will get the album I want. I might save money but the maths says it is 999 times more likely I will not get what I am looking for.
The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor - in the unlikely case to win, you would would not get the album you like, but a random album, regardless if you want this album or not. And just if you have that album already, you get gems to buy that album which you like from an extra store - but it might just cost a little more gems than you have - so you have to keep gambling or your "win" was just a handful of worthless gems with which you can buy nothing of that what you want.
so you've seen them..... or is that just more speculation?
This is how it works - you will just get gems, if you have that item already in your collection - if not, that item is added to your collection, if you want it or not - you do not have the ability to exchange an unwanted item with a wanted one. They said this and I just put that into the metaphor offered in the post I replied to.
If people expect to get the wanted item in the case they win, they are mistaken - it will be a random item of those offered in those boxes - and if you do not have it already, that will be your win. No way to say, "no I do not want this, I want something else" - the answer ZOS is giving to that is "you got an item, you did not have it yet, so this is your win now. If you want to win something else, well here are the boxes, buy a couple more of those"
no. i was commenting on the bit where you said 'The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor' the bolding and italics are mine for emphasis....
you state definitively that the boxes are even worse - suggesting that you have seen them..... my question stands -
have you seen them or are you just speculating?
No one has seen the boxes, so everyone is speculating, including you. The entire point of the thread is to speculate and render opinions based on what we know and what we think we can expect. Saying "you're just speculating" over and over again adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. You might as well just respond to every post with "You typed text in that post!" and it would be just as valuable to the overall discussion.
whereas making increasingly wild unfounded claims is useful?
No but discussing our experiences in other games that have gone down similar paths, and extrapolating from those experiences what directions ZOS might take, and how those decisions might affect how often we play ESO or how much enjoyment we derive from it... those all seem like perfectly valid things to discuss in this thread.
and if that were the case i would not be having this conversation with you.
Well, looking at the quote tree we have going here, I see Lysette more or less addressing exactly what we know about how the lockboxes will work and venturing an opinion on how that relates to a metaphor from another poster. I certainly don't see any "increasingly wild unfounded claims." I mean, "increasingly wild unfounded claims" in my mind would be something like "crown lockboxes will break up your parent's marriage" or "ZOS will subtract one CP every day you don't buy a box."@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion5 -
jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsjedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »I might get this Reply removed, but so be it. I guess most of the people that say they don't line the Crown Boxes is that they are/worry about gambling addicts ( from what I have read ), I understand that ( I am not a gambling addict, but have been told that I am an alcoholic, so I don't take a drink ). Anyway back to what I want to say: do you live in states ( in US ) on in countries that have lottery's ( also you are legal age ), if so, Do you buy excessive amount if lottery tickets. Probably not. So way are these so bad. If you don't like the idea then DON'T BUY THEM,
That's all I have to say. And the words of Mick Foley ( WWE former wrestler ): HAVE A GOOD DAY.
I don't buy excessive (or any) lottery tickets, however, I would be uncomfortable to be with people spending a lot of money that they often cannot afford, in the hope that they will win a life changing amount. Their life does change, but normally for the worse.
Regardless of potential issues people have with addiction, the major issue here is exploiting customer's wallets. People want x mount, they are happy to pay xxx crowns for said mount. No one is arguing over this. However, to make people have to buy random boxes and potentially spend xxxxxxx crowns for the mount is the issue. People want to buy specific items for a specific price. They can then budget for it. They do not want to be in a situation where they have no idea how much a mount will cost them, or even any idea if they will actually get it.
I go on itunes to buy a certain album for £10. I want that album so I buy it. I don't want to go to Itunes and give them £3 and there is a 1/1,000 chance I will get the album I want. I might save money but the maths says it is 999 times more likely I will not get what I am looking for.
The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor - in the unlikely case to win, you would would not get the album you like, but a random album, regardless if you want this album or not. And just if you have that album already, you get gems to buy that album which you like from an extra store - but it might just cost a little more gems than you have - so you have to keep gambling or your "win" was just a handful of worthless gems with which you can buy nothing of that what you want.
so you've seen them..... or is that just more speculation?
This is how it works - you will just get gems, if you have that item already in your collection - if not, that item is added to your collection, if you want it or not - you do not have the ability to exchange an unwanted item with a wanted one. They said this and I just put that into the metaphor offered in the post I replied to.
If people expect to get the wanted item in the case they win, they are mistaken - it will be a random item of those offered in those boxes - and if you do not have it already, that will be your win. No way to say, "no I do not want this, I want something else" - the answer ZOS is giving to that is "you got an item, you did not have it yet, so this is your win now. If you want to win something else, well here are the boxes, buy a couple more of those"
no. i was commenting on the bit where you said 'The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor' the bolding and italics are mine for emphasis....
you state definitively that the boxes are even worse - suggesting that you have seen them..... my question stands -
have you seen them or are you just speculating?
No one has seen the boxes, so everyone is speculating, including you. The entire point of the thread is to speculate and render opinions based on what we know and what we think we can expect. Saying "you're just speculating" over and over again adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. You might as well just respond to every post with "You typed text in that post!" and it would be just as valuable to the overall discussion.
whereas making increasingly wild unfounded claims is useful?
No but discussing our experiences in other games that have gone down similar paths, and extrapolating from those experiences what directions ZOS might take, and how those decisions might affect how often we play ESO or how much enjoyment we derive from it... those all seem like perfectly valid things to discuss in this thread.
and if that were the case i would not be having this conversation with you.
Well, looking at the quote tree we have going here, I see Lysette more or less addressing exactly what we know about how the lockboxes will work and venturing an opinion on how that relates to a metaphor from another poster. I certainly don't see any "increasingly wild unfounded claims." I mean, "increasingly wild unfounded claims" in my mind would be something like "crown lockboxes will break up your parent's marriage" or "ZOS will subtract one CP every day you don't buy a box."
try taking it from the top of the thread....you may then see what i mean.0 -
Cazzy✭✭✭✭✭
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wayfarerx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsjedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »I might get this Reply removed, but so be it. I guess most of the people that say they don't line the Crown Boxes is that they are/worry about gambling addicts ( from what I have read ), I understand that ( I am not a gambling addict, but have been told that I am an alcoholic, so I don't take a drink ). Anyway back to what I want to say: do you live in states ( in US ) on in countries that have lottery's ( also you are legal age ), if so, Do you buy excessive amount if lottery tickets. Probably not. So way are these so bad. If you don't like the idea then DON'T BUY THEM,
That's all I have to say. And the words of Mick Foley ( WWE former wrestler ): HAVE A GOOD DAY.
I don't buy excessive (or any) lottery tickets, however, I would be uncomfortable to be with people spending a lot of money that they often cannot afford, in the hope that they will win a life changing amount. Their life does change, but normally for the worse.
Regardless of potential issues people have with addiction, the major issue here is exploiting customer's wallets. People want x mount, they are happy to pay xxx crowns for said mount. No one is arguing over this. However, to make people have to buy random boxes and potentially spend xxxxxxx crowns for the mount is the issue. People want to buy specific items for a specific price. They can then budget for it. They do not want to be in a situation where they have no idea how much a mount will cost them, or even any idea if they will actually get it.
I go on itunes to buy a certain album for £10. I want that album so I buy it. I don't want to go to Itunes and give them £3 and there is a 1/1,000 chance I will get the album I want. I might save money but the maths says it is 999 times more likely I will not get what I am looking for.
The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor - in the unlikely case to win, you would would not get the album you like, but a random album, regardless if you want this album or not. And just if you have that album already, you get gems to buy that album which you like from an extra store - but it might just cost a little more gems than you have - so you have to keep gambling or your "win" was just a handful of worthless gems with which you can buy nothing of that what you want.
so you've seen them..... or is that just more speculation?
This is how it works - you will just get gems, if you have that item already in your collection - if not, that item is added to your collection, if you want it or not - you do not have the ability to exchange an unwanted item with a wanted one. They said this and I just put that into the metaphor offered in the post I replied to.
If people expect to get the wanted item in the case they win, they are mistaken - it will be a random item of those offered in those boxes - and if you do not have it already, that will be your win. No way to say, "no I do not want this, I want something else" - the answer ZOS is giving to that is "you got an item, you did not have it yet, so this is your win now. If you want to win something else, well here are the boxes, buy a couple more of those"
no. i was commenting on the bit where you said 'The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor' the bolding and italics are mine for emphasis....
you state definitively that the boxes are even worse - suggesting that you have seen them..... my question stands -
have you seen them or are you just speculating?
No one has seen the boxes, so everyone is speculating, including you. The entire point of the thread is to speculate and render opinions based on what we know and what we think we can expect. Saying "you're just speculating" over and over again adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. You might as well just respond to every post with "You typed text in that post!" and it would be just as valuable to the overall discussion.
whereas making increasingly wild unfounded claims is useful?
No but discussing our experiences in other games that have gone down similar paths, and extrapolating from those experiences what directions ZOS might take, and how those decisions might affect how often we play ESO or how much enjoyment we derive from it... those all seem like perfectly valid things to discuss in this thread.
and if that were the case i would not be having this conversation with you.
Well, looking at the quote tree we have going here, I see Lysette more or less addressing exactly what we know about how the lockboxes will work and venturing an opinion on how that relates to a metaphor from another poster. I certainly don't see any "increasingly wild unfounded claims." I mean, "increasingly wild unfounded claims" in my mind would be something like "crown lockboxes will break up your parent's marriage" or "ZOS will subtract one CP every day you don't buy a box."
try taking it from the top of the thread....you may then see what i mean.
If you have issues with specific comments in this thread then reply to those. Picking a perfectly rational comment and labeling it as an "increasingly wild unfounded claim" when you're actually referring to other comments is a little weird.
I'm not going to read 68 pages of comments to justify your position, that's on you.@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion3 -
LrdRahvin✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.
I certainly don't see any "increasingly wild unfounded claims." I mean, "increasingly wild unfounded claims" in my mind would be something like "crown lockboxes will break up your parent's marriage" or "ZOS will subtract one CP every day you don't buy a box."jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »I might get this Reply removed, but so be it. I guess most of the people that say they don't line the Crown Boxes is that they are/worry about gambling addicts ( from what I have read ), I understand that ( I am not a gambling addict, but have been told that I am an alcoholic, so I don't take a drink ). Anyway back to what I want to say: do you live in states ( in US ) on in countries that have lottery's ( also you are legal age ), if so, Do you buy excessive amount if lottery tickets. Probably not. So way are these so bad. If you don't like the idea then DON'T BUY THEM,
That's all I have to say. And the words of Mick Foley ( WWE former wrestler ): HAVE A GOOD DAY.
I don't buy excessive (or any) lottery tickets, however, I would be uncomfortable to be with people spending a lot of money that they often cannot afford, in the hope that they will win a life changing amount. Their life does change, but normally for the worse.
Regardless of potential issues people have with addiction, the major issue here is exploiting customer's wallets. People want x mount, they are happy to pay xxx crowns for said mount. No one is arguing over this. However, to make people have to buy random boxes and potentially spend xxxxxxx crowns for the mount is the issue. People want to buy specific items for a specific price. They can then budget for it. They do not want to be in a situation where they have no idea how much a mount will cost them, or even any idea if they will actually get it.
I go on itunes to buy a certain album for £10. I want that album so I buy it. I don't want to go to Itunes and give them £3 and there is a 1/1,000 chance I will get the album I want. I might save money but the maths says it is 999 times more likely I will not get what I am looking for.
The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor - in the unlikely case to win, you would would not get the album you like, but a random album, regardless if you want this album or not. And just if you have that album already, you get gems to buy that album which you like from an extra store - but it might just cost a little more gems than you have - so you have to keep gambling or your "win" was just a handful of worthless gems with which you can buy nothing of that what you want.
so you've seen them..... or is that just more speculation?
This is how it works - you will just get gems, if you have that item already in your collection - if not, that item is added to your collection, if you want it or not - you do not have the ability to exchange an unwanted item with a wanted one. They said this and I just put that into the metaphor offered in the post I replied to.
If people expect to get the wanted item in the case they win, they are mistaken - it will be a random item of those offered in those boxes - and if you do not have it already, that will be your win. No way to say, "no I do not want this, I want something else" - the answer ZOS is giving to that is "you got an item, you did not have it yet, so this is your win now. If you want to win something else, well here are the boxes, buy a couple more of those"
no. i was commenting on the bit where you said 'The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor' the bolding and italics are mine for emphasis....
you state definitively that the boxes are even worse - suggesting that you have seen them..... my question stands -
have you seen them or are you just speculating?
No one has seen the boxes, so everyone is speculating, including you. The entire point of the thread is to speculate and render opinions based on what we know and what we think we can expect. Saying "you're just speculating" over and over again adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. You might as well just respond to every post with "You typed text in that post!" and it would be just as valuable to the overall discussion.
whereas making increasingly wild unfounded claims is useful?
No but discussing our experiences in other games that have gone down similar paths, and extrapolating from those experiences what directions ZOS might take, and how those decisions might affect how often we play ESO or how much enjoyment we derive from it... those all seem like perfectly valid things to discuss in this thread.
and if that were the case i would not be having this conversation with you.
Crown lockboxes gave me cancer and I died.0 -
JimT722✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, don't ever add these into the game.I fully expect if these take off its not long before we see something like special dropped boxes where you have to buy keys to open. This game doesn't seem to know what kind of game it wants to be.
Didn't they go to buy 2 play to give you options of renting or buying content? Buying as in direct purchase. I miss subscription only MMO's. It was on them to keep the player base happy. This game is turning into a f2p mmo with an entry fee.6 -
clayandaudrey_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, don't ever add these into the game.On page 41 I said this...clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »First of all I am totally against this. I have seen what it does in other games.
With that said, you can forget them ever not doing this. This is a cash cow of a massive scale. People will pay anything to get certain things in game, yes I am looking at you Housing.
There is going to be so much rage in the future. People will leave as stated in this thread. But more will come in to the game. But I think the sheep mentality will finally rule out, even with some of the people saying they will leave.
Soft caps, aoe caps, cheating, crown store, b2p, all of this has come and gone and eso is still here. It will be still here after lockboxes. It will still be here after housing is added to the store to much dismay. The sheep will follow and spend their money.
It only question anyone needs to ask themselves is "can I take this Bulls hit?" If the answer is yes stay and if not leave.
The business practices of MMO's of recent years has made me decide that single player RPGs are probably where I will be heading back to after playing MMO's for 20 years. It is kind of depressing but all will be well.
I will not be a sheep.
Then I see this...anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
Cazzy, you're AGAIN speculating about things when you have absolutely no info, just for the fun of predicting the worst.
You have already backtracked from your decision to leave, just like wonkydog and Lysette (she backtracked on suing) , that's fine, but then please stop the drama. Be positive.
I really thought I was going to have to wait till the end of the year to say "Look these people didn't leave." But the reality was I only had to wait 24 pages.
I really don't want these in game and I stick by what I said in the quote. I'm going back to single player RPGs. Don't be so wishy washy people. That is the only way to make ZOS see the light. Withhold your money from them. Don't log in to their servers. That is all they understand.0 -
Cazzy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »On page 41 I said this...clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »First of all I am totally against this. I have seen what it does in other games.
With that said, you can forget them ever not doing this. This is a cash cow of a massive scale. People will pay anything to get certain things in game, yes I am looking at you Housing.
There is going to be so much rage in the future. People will leave as stated in this thread. But more will come in to the game. But I think the sheep mentality will finally rule out, even with some of the people saying they will leave.
Soft caps, aoe caps, cheating, crown store, b2p, all of this has come and gone and eso is still here. It will be still here after lockboxes. It will still be here after housing is added to the store to much dismay. The sheep will follow and spend their money.
It only question anyone needs to ask themselves is "can I take this Bulls hit?" If the answer is yes stay and if not leave.
The business practices of MMO's of recent years has made me decide that single player RPGs are probably where I will be heading back to after playing MMO's for 20 years. It is kind of depressing but all will be well.
I will not be a sheep.
Then I see this...anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
Cazzy, you're AGAIN speculating about things when you have absolutely no info, just for the fun of predicting the worst.
You have already backtracked from your decision to leave, just like wonkydog and Lysette (she backtracked on suing) , that's fine, but then please stop the drama. Be positive.
I really thought I was going to have to wait till the end of the year to say "Look these people didn't leave." But the reality was I only had to wait 24 pages.
I really don't want these in game and I stick by what I said in the quote. I'm going back to single player RPGs. Don't be so wishy washy people. That is the only way to make ZOS see the light. Withhold your money from them. Don't log in to their servers. That is all they understand.
Wonkydog has left, I no longer pay for sub and Lysette still hates the idea as much as most of us do
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »On page 41 I said this...clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »First of all I am totally against this. I have seen what it does in other games.
With that said, you can forget them ever not doing this. This is a cash cow of a massive scale. People will pay anything to get certain things in game, yes I am looking at you Housing.
There is going to be so much rage in the future. People will leave as stated in this thread. But more will come in to the game. But I think the sheep mentality will finally rule out, even with some of the people saying they will leave.
Soft caps, aoe caps, cheating, crown store, b2p, all of this has come and gone and eso is still here. It will be still here after lockboxes. It will still be here after housing is added to the store to much dismay. The sheep will follow and spend their money.
It only question anyone needs to ask themselves is "can I take this Bulls hit?" If the answer is yes stay and if not leave.
The business practices of MMO's of recent years has made me decide that single player RPGs are probably where I will be heading back to after playing MMO's for 20 years. It is kind of depressing but all will be well.
I will not be a sheep.
Then I see this...anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
Cazzy, you're AGAIN speculating about things when you have absolutely no info, just for the fun of predicting the worst.
You have already backtracked from your decision to leave, just like wonkydog and Lysette (she backtracked on suing) , that's fine, but then please stop the drama. Be positive.
I really thought I was going to have to wait till the end of the year to say "Look these people didn't leave." But the reality was I only had to wait 24 pages.
I really don't want these in game and I stick by what I said in the quote. I'm going back to single player RPGs. Don't be so wishy washy people. That is the only way to make ZOS see the light. Withhold your money from them. Don't log in to their servers. That is all they understand.
Well, my significant other has canceled her sub. I've spent less than 10 minutes logged in since this was announced. You might still see me on the forums by the end of the year... but I kinda doubt it.2 -
Mojmir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Seasonal,lol reminds of aqw, grind to get a class or p2w.the choice will soon be yours.4 -
Cazzy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.starkerealm wrote: »clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »On page 41 I said this...clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »First of all I am totally against this. I have seen what it does in other games.
With that said, you can forget them ever not doing this. This is a cash cow of a massive scale. People will pay anything to get certain things in game, yes I am looking at you Housing.
There is going to be so much rage in the future. People will leave as stated in this thread. But more will come in to the game. But I think the sheep mentality will finally rule out, even with some of the people saying they will leave.
Soft caps, aoe caps, cheating, crown store, b2p, all of this has come and gone and eso is still here. It will be still here after lockboxes. It will still be here after housing is added to the store to much dismay. The sheep will follow and spend their money.
It only question anyone needs to ask themselves is "can I take this Bulls hit?" If the answer is yes stay and if not leave.
The business practices of MMO's of recent years has made me decide that single player RPGs are probably where I will be heading back to after playing MMO's for 20 years. It is kind of depressing but all will be well.
I will not be a sheep.
Then I see this...anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
Cazzy, you're AGAIN speculating about things when you have absolutely no info, just for the fun of predicting the worst.
You have already backtracked from your decision to leave, just like wonkydog and Lysette (she backtracked on suing) , that's fine, but then please stop the drama. Be positive.
I really thought I was going to have to wait till the end of the year to say "Look these people didn't leave." But the reality was I only had to wait 24 pages.
I really don't want these in game and I stick by what I said in the quote. I'm going back to single player RPGs. Don't be so wishy washy people. That is the only way to make ZOS see the light. Withhold your money from them. Don't log in to their servers. That is all they understand.
Well, my significant other has canceled her sub. I've spent less than 10 minutes logged in since this was announced. You might still see me on the forums by the end of the year... but I kinda doubt it.
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.@clayandaudrey_ESO, in general, I don't think you're wrong about players saying they'll leave over something and then not following through. It's just, this is not one of those times. This is something people feel very strongly about, to the point that they're willing to leave rather than watch the unfolding carnage to a game they used to enjoy.
Unless you're @elvenmad, poor guy can't look away.
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clayandaudrey_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, don't ever add these into the game.starkerealm wrote: »@clayandaudrey_ESO, in general, I don't think you're wrong about players saying they'll leave over something and then not following through. It's just, this is not one of those times. This is something people feel very strongly about, to the point that they're willing to leave rather than watch the unfolding carnage to a game they used to enjoy.
Unless you're @elvenmad, poor guy can't look away.
Yeah I know. This game that I have loved for 3 years is going to be a memory to me now. I can't stay. The whole cheating debacle that has been going since beta and now this is just too much.
I really hope that this doesn't come to pass. If for some reason it does go away I will come back but my trust is just gone.
And @Cazzy I am not attacking you. Sorry that my frustration came out a little but it usually does when something you love goes away. Hitting zos where it hurts is the only course of action that will make them see. Just wish more people would do it as well.Edited by clayandaudrey_ESO on August 24, 2016 9:57PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »@clayandaudrey_ESO, in general, I don't think you're wrong about players saying they'll leave over something and then not following through. It's just, this is not one of those times. This is something people feel very strongly about, to the point that they're willing to leave rather than watch the unfolding carnage to a game they used to enjoy.
Unless you're @elvenmad, poor guy can't look away.
Yeah I know. This game that I have loved for 3 years is going to be a memory to me now. I can't stay. The whole cheating debacle that has been going since beta and now this is just too much.
I really hope that this doesn't come to pass. If for some reason it does go away I will come back but my trust is just gone.
And @Cazzy I am not attacking you. Sorry that my frustration came out a little but it usually does when something you love goes away. Hitting zos where it hurts is the only course of action that will make them see. Just wish more people would do it as well.
I realize it's lousy consolation, but you do have my sympathies. I've been there too many times.1 -
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✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »@clayandaudrey_ESO, in general, I don't think you're wrong about players saying they'll leave over something and then not following through. It's just, this is not one of those times. This is something people feel very strongly about, to the point that they're willing to leave rather than watch the unfolding carnage to a game they used to enjoy.
Unless you're @elvenmad, poor guy can't look away.
Yeah I know. This game that I have loved for 3 years is going to be a memory to me now. I can't stay. The whole cheating debacle that has been going since beta and now this is just too much.
I really hope that this doesn't come to pass. If for some reason it does go away I will come back but my trust is just gone.
And @Cazzy I am not attacking you. Sorry that my frustration came out a little but it usually does when something you love goes away. Hitting zos where it hurts is the only course of action that will make them see. Just wish more people would do it as well.
No, no it's fine - I didn't necessarily mean you. I think the topic is just a very passionate one.
I completely relate to how you feel. I was packing my bags a few days ago. I realised after that I would only be hurting myself as I would be cutting off a community I love dearly. So my compromise has to be to not to spend any money and keep urging them to adjust their plans slightly.
I really hope you don't leave @clayandaudrey_ESO0 -
Sevalaricgirl✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gambleI understand why they are doing it but I don't like it. They're doing it because most players are playing for free and not shopping in the store. I can't say it's that way for me, damned stam nb that sucks with a bow. I just resubbed because it doesn't bother me enough to be vehement about it. I can control myself. Learned that in SWTOR. I think though that special items will end up in the boxes and you won't be able to get them any other way just like in SWTOR which is totally wrong. Sorry ZOS, you aren't thinking straight on this one.3
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elvenmad✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.starkerealm wrote: »@clayandaudrey_ESO, in general, I don't think you're wrong about players saying they'll leave over something and then not following through. It's just, this is not one of those times. This is something people feel very strongly about, to the point that they're willing to leave rather than watch the unfolding carnage to a game they used to enjoy.
Unless you're @elvenmad, poor guy can't look away.
HAHA ^^
But seriously there are many on here who have been around gaming for quite a while and all been heavily invested in both time and money in 100's of games, we have ALL seen this system before, we have all seen how it starts off all innocent and we have all seen the monster it has turned into, most of us its the reason we are here in ESO, because there is no 'chance' boxes or gambling.
Kudos to those that believe ZOS will not follow suit, but personally your NOT going to convince me and from some posts I am not the only one.
Practically EVERY game publisher on the planet has dabbled with some form of chance box system and they have all, EVERY one I have known and the 100's others I have looked into with the view of playing has ended up with these boxes being a major key part of P2W having required game progression contents, EVERY one, and ontop of that they all have had major losses in players directly due to them.
yes ZOS have the option to not do it, but I'm sorry once they have the base system in the game they would be really really stupid from a business point of view not to follow suit.
Once the boxes are in the game its just a matter of time.
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✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsI'm fine so long as it is just cosmetic junk.
I find the idea of exclusive items in those to be silly, but if there are whale willing to throw money at that, good for them.
Since there are limited mount possibilities, if someone already has all other mounts, would that guarantee them the exclusive mount or might they get a box of nothing?0 -
elvenmad✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.DaveMoeDee wrote: »Since there are limited mount possibilities, if someone already has all other mounts, would that guarantee them the exclusive mount or might they get a box of nothing?
Its random no matter what you already have
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✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.@DaveMoeDee here's the info we have:
CROWN CRATES
Toward the end of November, we'll be giving you a chance to receive some very special items with the introduction of Crown Crates. These Crates, available in the Crown Store for just 400 crowns, will contain a randomized selection of useful consumables, and offer a chance to obtain rare and unique cosmetic items or mounts, including some previously-retired mounts, costumes, pets, and limited-time offers that are no longer available in the Crown Store. Crates will have different themes throughout the year, giving you the chance to obtain new, extremely rare items.
In the event you receive a mount, pet, costume or personality that you already own, you'll be awarded special Crown Gems in its place. These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.1 -
elvenmad✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.DaveMoeDee wrote: »
Blade and soul NA and EU, started out just like here with promised 'cosmetic' only contents, couple of weeks later they had OP gear upgrade items and weapon gems that gave you perma more power than players without them, and the contents were cash box exclusive items,
Same reason I left Blade and Soul too. and all that was within 6 months of the game launch
Exact same thing with Archeage, same publisher as B&S , in both cases the Producers swore blind on live streams they would NEVER go P2W
Edited by elvenmad on August 24, 2016 10:33PM< PC - EU >2 -
Chalinal✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.I like how the ZOS community managers are avoiding this thread like the plague.
"Maybe if we ignore the problem, it will go away."
ZOS community managers and officials: please note this thread and the comments in it, as well as the poll. As of the time of my posting this, 67% DO NOT WANT CROWN CRATES ADDED TO THE GAME.
Since you guys have ignored the thread and already announced that they are indeed coming with Update 12, whether we like it or not- at least amend the Crown Crates as I mentioned in an earlier post in this thread. Get completely rid of any Crown-Crate-Only items, especially things like mounts and pets.
I understand the cries for limited time and retired mounts and pets to be made available again, and this RNG box can be a solution to that problem, but don't create a new issue with the introduction of Crown-Crate-Only items (mounts and pets). Collectors and loyal subscribers (personally, since launch) are outraged by the thought of never being able to obtain the very rare Crown-Crate-Only mounts and pets to continue to complete our collections. Many will be driven away by this poor business decision.
@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom please readEdited by Chalinal on August 24, 2016 10:56PM- @Chalinal
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- Guildmaster of <Tamriel Emporium> crafting guild
- J'Kharj - magicka Nightblade
- Master Crafter in all professions with 9 traits and all styles
- Furniture Crafting: Only missing a couple recipes
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✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsI like how the ZOS community managers are avoiding this thread like the plague.
"Maybe if we ignore the problem, it will go away."
They have no control, garbage ideas like this come right from the top and speaking up against them is a good way to lose face at your place of employment. We should not expect anyone at ZOS to do anything more than repeat the official press release copy and otherwise treat this as a done deal.@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion7 -
Chalinal✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.I like how the ZOS community managers are avoiding this thread like the plague.
"Maybe if we ignore the problem, it will go away."
They have no control, garbage ideas like this come right from the top and speaking up against them is a good way to lose face at your place of employment. We should not expect anyone at ZOS to do anything more than repeat the official press release copy and otherwise treat this as a done deal.
It is sad that people are more concerned with losing face at their job than doing the right thing or listening to the vast majority of their audience.
- @Chalinal
- PC - NA
- Guildmaster of <Tamriel Emporium> crafting guild
- J'Kharj - magicka Nightblade
- Master Crafter in all professions with 9 traits and all styles
- Furniture Crafting: Only missing a couple recipes
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics.DaveMoeDee wrote: »
Sure. Why not?
The ZOS representatives have stated, in no uncertain terms, that they had no plans to put RNG boxes into the game. In November, we will have RNG boxes in the game. Things change. Plans change. Hey, no biggie.
The problem is that once they start "changing plans" and doing things that they said they have "no plans" for, it is really open season on plan changes. We cannot expect them to stick by anything they say. They are not a company that has that particular attribute. I won't say they lie, or break promises, but no one should expect that of anything that they say. It is simply best to not expect them to stick to what they say beyond the day they say it. Plans change. Without limit.
So, yeah, it is completely acceptable to leave the game over this. They can't be expected to follow through when they say "only include cosmetic or convenience items". They can't really be held to statements like, "It will not include things like armor or weapons." Finally, they may be unwilling to honor the claim, "Crown Crates will not include the old loyalty rewards." It might be so for a month. Maybe 6 months. But, plans change.
EDIT: To be clear, I am not leaving the game over this. I can certainly see how people could do it. To me, it is a valid reason.
EDIT 2: Let's not use the word "trust" so much. Makes it sound like they are lying. I am sure they are telling the truth, when they say it.Edited by Elsonso on August 24, 2016 11:18PM6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gambleI like how the ZOS community managers are avoiding this thread like the plague.
"Maybe if we ignore the problem, it will go away."
They have no control, garbage ideas like this come right from the top and speaking up against them is a good way to lose face at your place of employment. We should not expect anyone at ZOS to do anything more than repeat the official press release copy and otherwise treat this as a done deal.
It is sad that people are more concerned with losing face at their job than doing the right thing or listening to the vast majority of their audience.
To be fair, they would be replaced by people who would obey and then we would be in the exact same place, only they would be unemployed.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.2
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