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What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

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  • Neirymn
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    Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics
    I'm begining to think that crown crates seasons might not be so bad after all. If there is less items in the loot table, we should have better chances of getting crown gems or the item we want and if nothing in this season is interesting to us, we can save up crowns or gems for another season. I just hope there will not be a lot of consumables in the loot table because that means less chances to get gems or the item we seek.

    I really don't know what to think about those crown crates though. ^^' I need to see them in action!
  • Wow
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    400 Crowns per crate, I think that is too expensive. Then again don't know the drop rate yet to judge whether it's too expensive or not. :'(
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  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Cazzy wrote: »
    Well, I'm sorry you feel that way. I don't think I'm negative though. I'm actually really positive :smile: However I'm also a realist :wink:

    Where are you being positive in this thread... ??? Please show me.
    And how is commenting on made-up drop rates that you know nothing about as of now in any way realistic ?

    ADarklore wrote: »
    To me, this is akin to saying, "if you don't agree with me, don't say anything, because anyone who disagrees with me I find to be negative."

    Sorry but there's a difference between expressing an opinion a couple of times from various angles, and repeating the same thing over and over, every time with an increased unfounded drama and based on no facts but self-made exagerations and anticipations. It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing.

    Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on August 24, 2016 7:35PM
  • altemriel
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    No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble
    It is weird to pay real money for something that I don`t know what I am buying....

    instead they should do regular events where they would reintroduce the rare mounts, items, etc back for a limited period of time
  • Rosveen
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Abeille wrote: »
    Rosveen wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    lordrichter wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor - in the unlikely case to win, you would would not get the album you like, but a random album, regardless if you want this album or not. And just if you have that album already, you get gems to buy that album which you like from an extra store - but it might just cost a little more gems than you have - so you have to keep gambling or your "win" was just a handful of worthless gems with which you can buy nothing of that what you want.

    Yes, it is a game to them.
    ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
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    nimander99 wrote: »
    I've purchased every cosmetic offered in the Crown Store, every - single - one.
    You shouldn't have too much of a problem accruing the Crown Gems needed to get the new mounts then, assuming they'll be available in that manner. Non-whales who don't buy everything will have a much tougher time getting them and will end up filling their collection with all sorts of trash along the way.
    This is an excellent point (minus the trash part ;)). If you own the majority of collectibles already, then you'll gain Gems a lot more frequently, and can then purchase another collectible of your choice from the current Crown Crate season.

    Collecting Gems is what players are supposed to be doing when there is nothing new in the Crates.

    It wouldn't be so bad if unwanted items that are not repeated could be made into Gems too. I mean, someone who passed on a Hero Costume because they found it really badly made surely would want to receive the equivalent to 2000 Crowns on Crown gems instead of the costume.
    Yeah. I'm not going to buy any Crown Crates because I'm mathematically literate, but even if I decided to try for a rare mount (say, the red wolf I've been waiting for - I'm sorry Abeille, but I'm hoping lockboxes will get the ice one instead if they must contain a wolf at all ;)), I'd just get trash along the way. I have relatively few crown store items, I buy them for specific characters and I don't need or want any others because they just don't fit my chars. If I could sell or exchange them, Crown Crates might at least have some value to me, but right now they don't.

    First of all how dare you

    My guess is that the Skeleton mounts will the the ones exclusive to the box for Witches' Festival, and the Wild Hunt ones (I don't remember their actual name, sorry) will be the ones for the New Life Festival. I imagine that the non-magical mounts will still be available through direct purchase, and the Ice Wolf would be a good mount to be made available around Christmas (especially because the 25th is in a Sunday this year, so they could make it a Thursday-to-Sunday limited offer right on the Christmas weekend).

    But of course, we never know. I feel like offering the magical mounts in the box is the goal because they are sets with a theme that is constant through four or five types of mount. Skeleton, Wild Hunt and Atronach (I didn't see the last ones by the way, just saw people talking about them, so if anyone knows of a link that would be awesome).
    Ideally, none of them would be locked and we'd all happily gallivant around Tamriel on our wolves of choice, but what can you do?

    Your predictions make sense and I'd be mostly okay with locking these sets. I'm not interested in otherworldly mounts, I much prefer ordinary ones. Well, I did like the lightning horse, but ultimately decided not to buy it because I hardly ever play my sorc and it would just waste away in some Daggerfall stable.
    Edited by Rosveen on August 24, 2016 7:38PM
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  • Cazzy
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    altemriel wrote: »
    It is weird to pay real money for something that I don`t know what I am buying....

    instead they should do regular events where they would reintroduce the rare mounts, items, etc back for a limited period of time

    Like holiday events? That would be cool :smile:
  • Abeille
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    No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Noone likes those boxes. Having people making such a drama about them makes it even more difficult to cope with. I hope you understand what I mean.

    I think I might understand.
    The way we deal with what we dislike, what help us cope with it and what make it eat us from the inside is different for everyone.

    You might be one of those that prefers to try to not think about the thing that is bothering you. My sister is like that, she prefers to not talk about what she finds unpleasant and just let it pass. She hates even seeing anything that reminds her of the problem. Maybe that's how you deal with it too, which means that us keeping this thread on top keep reminding you of the issue, which keeps "opening the wound" and making it harder to cope.

    That doesn't work for me. When something bothers me, I need to take it off my chest and talk to people about it. Depending on what is that is bothering me, I might have to work on that for a while until I feel better. If I don't talk about it, I feel like it is eating me from inside, and I can't really get over it. But after talking about it for a while, I usually get better - I am much less angry now than I was when we received the first reports on the Crown Crates. Maybe @Cazzy is like this, too. And telling us to stop talking about the issue makes it harder for us to cope.

    People are just different.
    Edited by Abeille on August 24, 2016 7:42PM
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Abeille wrote: »
    You might be one of those that prefers to try to not think about the thing that is bothering you. My sister is like that, she prefers to not talk about what she finds unpleasant and just let it pass. She hates even seeing anything that reminds her of the problem. Maybe that's how you deal with it too, which means that us keeping this thread on top keep reminding you of the issue, which keeps "opening the wound" and making it harder to cope.

    It's got nothing to do with that. If they were a solution, I'd be very talkative too. But there isn't.
    Also, in my opinion there's no point speculating and expecting the worst when we know nearly nothing right now about those boxes.
    Doomsayers are exhausting.

    That said, Cazzie asked me what bothered me in her behaviour, thus I explain. I didn't tell anyone to shut up. (I wish doomsayers would shut up, but that's different).

    Also, I don't mind anyone talking, even talking a lot. But some in here are just repeating themselves over and over.

    Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on August 24, 2016 7:49PM
  • Bryanonymous
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    Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics
    Don't really care, but let them make their money. No one is being forced to buy them.
  • LrdRahvin
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    You might be one of those that prefers to try to not think about the thing that is bothering you. My sister is like that, she prefers to not talk about what she finds unpleasant and just let it pass. She hates even seeing anything that reminds her of the problem. Maybe that's how you deal with it too, which means that us keeping this thread on top keep reminding you of the issue, which keeps "opening the wound" and making it harder to cope.

    It's got nothing to do with that. If they were a solution, I'd be very talkative too. But there isn't.
    Also, in my opinion there's no point speculating and expecting the worst when we know nearly nothing right now about those boxes.
    Doomsayers are exhausting.

    That said, Cazzie asked me what bothered me in her behaviour, thus I explain. I didn't tell anyone to shut up. (I wish doomsayers would shut up, but that's different).

    Also, I don't mind anyone talking, even talking a lot. But some in here are just repeating themselves over and over.

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    Edited by LrdRahvin on August 24, 2016 7:53PM
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  • Garldeen
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Cazzy wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Cazzy wrote: »
    snakester320 wrote: »
    lets not forget look at there current prices for things imo there a rip off but whatever .. you think these BOXES are going to be 75crowns bullsh.t..... i would not be suprised if there 500 crowns each so take the flaming horse or the dread cow wolf was 2500 crowns you really think the boxes are a 1/5 chance of getting that mount YEAH RIGHT!! the the black and blue panther 4000 crowns there going to give that to you for less than the actual cost in the first place... KEEP DREAMING why would the screw there own market ( bring back the mount sell it for 4000 crowns money made!! )

    The boxes will be 400 crowns and, yeah, the odds of getting something other than potions or food will be slim. Very slim.

    Cazzy, you're AGAIN speculating about things when you have absolutely no info, just for the fun of predicting the worst.
    You have already backtracked from your decision to leave, just like wonkydog and Lysette (she backtracked on suing) , that's fine, but then please stop the drama. Be positive. Wait for info.
    Worst case scenario, you don't buy any crown crates, problem solved.

    I'm not speculating :/ They've said the boxes will be 400 crowns...

    Have I done something to upset you? If so, I apologise! I'm simply weighing out my options and I didn't want to leave friends I have made. I changed my mind, which I'm entitled to do. As is everyone else. We all have our reasons for being here :smile:

    @snakester320 Nope, ive not backtracked. I said I would wait until ESO this friday. It appears to have been cancelled and so I will go ahead with my cancellation. Thanks for the concern however
    Edited by Garldeen on August 24, 2016 7:53PM
  • ItsGlaive
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    wonkydog wrote: »
    It is clear that these are coming in, however, it would still be nice to see some kind of x both in x hours limits in place to stop people getting addicted to the gambling. One box a day would be a fair solution in my option. It would allow people to try and win some goodies but also not get carried away. If we can have it for crafting and for horse levelling then we could have it for this.

    More worried about ZOS getting addicted to the epic profits from such an exploitative monetisation technique. You can be sure there'll be a lot more dev time spent on fluff now - may even get those capes we've been asking for - and a 1 in 1000 chance of being able to get one from a lockbox.
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  • Abeille
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    No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    You might be one of those that prefers to try to not think about the thing that is bothering you. My sister is like that, she prefers to not talk about what she finds unpleasant and just let it pass. She hates even seeing anything that reminds her of the problem. Maybe that's how you deal with it too, which means that us keeping this thread on top keep reminding you of the issue, which keeps "opening the wound" and making it harder to cope.

    It's got nothing to do with that. If they were a solution, I'd be very talkative too. But there isn't.
    Also, in my opinion there's no point speculating and expecting the worst when we know nearly nothing right now about those boxes.
    Doomsayers are exhausting.

    That said, Cazzie asked me what bothered me in her behaviour, thus I explain. I didn't tell anyone to shut up. (I wish doomsayers would shut up, but that's different).

    Also, I don't mind anyone talking, even talking a lot. But some in here are just repeating themselves over and over.

    What I said was not about finding a solution, but merely about talking about the issue as a way of coping with it. It might not seem useful to you, but it is because that's not your way of coping with things. There are many like you, that won't bother with an issue if there isn't a solution, but that doesn't work for everybody. I am unable to turn the "worry button" off in my brain if I do not talk about what I am worried about, even if there isn't a solution for it. It doesn't work for you, it doesn't mean it doesn't work for us.

    I do agree that saying "this will certainly happen" is not accurate, but it is still an opinion on the internet, so it might just as well say "I think this will happen". And that is a valid thing to say, especially if the one saying it has experience with similar situations, like many here have, so they have a reason to have that opinion.

    Let people talk words of doom and gloom. Do you see how the overall tone of the thread changed with time? That's because as people start talking with like-minded players about the issue, they begin calming down. People give up on taking extreme measures. That's almost like group therapy for some xD
    Actually that kinda is like group therapy, now that I think of it.
    Edited by Abeille on August 24, 2016 7:58PM
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • Stonesthrow
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    No Pets/Mounts that were sub/loyalty rewards should be included.

    Nothing that is Crown Box ONLY should ever be even considered.

    Other than that... /shrug.
  • jedtb16_ESO
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    Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics
    wayfarerx wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    wonkydog wrote: »
    hagermanj wrote: »
    I might get this Reply removed, but so be it. I guess most of the people that say they don't line the Crown Boxes is that they are/worry about gambling addicts ( from what I have read ), I understand that ( I am not a gambling addict, but have been told that I am an alcoholic, so I don't take a drink ). Anyway back to what I want to say: do you live in states ( in US ) on in countries that have lottery's ( also you are legal age ), if so, Do you buy excessive amount if lottery tickets. Probably not. So way are these so bad. If you don't like the idea then DON'T BUY THEM,

    That's all I have to say. And the words of Mick Foley ( WWE former wrestler ): HAVE A GOOD DAY.

    I don't buy excessive (or any) lottery tickets, however, I would be uncomfortable to be with people spending a lot of money that they often cannot afford, in the hope that they will win a life changing amount. Their life does change, but normally for the worse.

    Regardless of potential issues people have with addiction, the major issue here is exploiting customer's wallets. People want x mount, they are happy to pay xxx crowns for said mount. No one is arguing over this. However, to make people have to buy random boxes and potentially spend xxxxxxx crowns for the mount is the issue. People want to buy specific items for a specific price. They can then budget for it. They do not want to be in a situation where they have no idea how much a mount will cost them, or even any idea if they will actually get it.

    I go on itunes to buy a certain album for £10. I want that album so I buy it. I don't want to go to Itunes and give them £3 and there is a 1/1,000 chance I will get the album I want. I might save money but the maths says it is 999 times more likely I will not get what I am looking for.

    The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor - in the unlikely case to win, you would would not get the album you like, but a random album, regardless if you want this album or not. And just if you have that album already, you get gems to buy that album which you like from an extra store - but it might just cost a little more gems than you have - so you have to keep gambling or your "win" was just a handful of worthless gems with which you can buy nothing of that what you want.

    so you've seen them..... or is that just more speculation?

    This is how it works - you will just get gems, if you have that item already in your collection - if not, that item is added to your collection, if you want it or not - you do not have the ability to exchange an unwanted item with a wanted one. They said this and I just put that into the metaphor offered in the post I replied to.

    If people expect to get the wanted item in the case they win, they are mistaken - it will be a random item of those offered in those boxes - and if you do not have it already, that will be your win. No way to say, "no I do not want this, I want something else" - the answer ZOS is giving to that is "you got an item, you did not have it yet, so this is your win now. If you want to win something else, well here are the boxes, buy a couple more of those"

    no. i was commenting on the bit where you said 'The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor' the bolding and italics are mine for emphasis....

    you state definitively that the boxes are even worse - suggesting that you have seen them..... my question stands -

    have you seen them or are you just speculating?

    No one has seen the boxes, so everyone is speculating, including you. The entire point of the thread is to speculate and render opinions based on what we know and what we think we can expect. Saying "you're just speculating" over and over again adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. You might as well just respond to every post with "You typed text in that post!" and it would be just as valuable to the overall discussion.

    whereas making increasingly wild unfounded claims is useful?
  • wayfarerx
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    Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    wayfarerx wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    wonkydog wrote: »
    hagermanj wrote: »
    I might get this Reply removed, but so be it. I guess most of the people that say they don't line the Crown Boxes is that they are/worry about gambling addicts ( from what I have read ), I understand that ( I am not a gambling addict, but have been told that I am an alcoholic, so I don't take a drink ). Anyway back to what I want to say: do you live in states ( in US ) on in countries that have lottery's ( also you are legal age ), if so, Do you buy excessive amount if lottery tickets. Probably not. So way are these so bad. If you don't like the idea then DON'T BUY THEM,

    That's all I have to say. And the words of Mick Foley ( WWE former wrestler ): HAVE A GOOD DAY.

    I don't buy excessive (or any) lottery tickets, however, I would be uncomfortable to be with people spending a lot of money that they often cannot afford, in the hope that they will win a life changing amount. Their life does change, but normally for the worse.

    Regardless of potential issues people have with addiction, the major issue here is exploiting customer's wallets. People want x mount, they are happy to pay xxx crowns for said mount. No one is arguing over this. However, to make people have to buy random boxes and potentially spend xxxxxxx crowns for the mount is the issue. People want to buy specific items for a specific price. They can then budget for it. They do not want to be in a situation where they have no idea how much a mount will cost them, or even any idea if they will actually get it.

    I go on itunes to buy a certain album for £10. I want that album so I buy it. I don't want to go to Itunes and give them £3 and there is a 1/1,000 chance I will get the album I want. I might save money but the maths says it is 999 times more likely I will not get what I am looking for.

    The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor - in the unlikely case to win, you would would not get the album you like, but a random album, regardless if you want this album or not. And just if you have that album already, you get gems to buy that album which you like from an extra store - but it might just cost a little more gems than you have - so you have to keep gambling or your "win" was just a handful of worthless gems with which you can buy nothing of that what you want.

    so you've seen them..... or is that just more speculation?

    This is how it works - you will just get gems, if you have that item already in your collection - if not, that item is added to your collection, if you want it or not - you do not have the ability to exchange an unwanted item with a wanted one. They said this and I just put that into the metaphor offered in the post I replied to.

    If people expect to get the wanted item in the case they win, they are mistaken - it will be a random item of those offered in those boxes - and if you do not have it already, that will be your win. No way to say, "no I do not want this, I want something else" - the answer ZOS is giving to that is "you got an item, you did not have it yet, so this is your win now. If you want to win something else, well here are the boxes, buy a couple more of those"

    no. i was commenting on the bit where you said 'The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor' the bolding and italics are mine for emphasis....

    you state definitively that the boxes are even worse - suggesting that you have seen them..... my question stands -

    have you seen them or are you just speculating?

    No one has seen the boxes, so everyone is speculating, including you. The entire point of the thread is to speculate and render opinions based on what we know and what we think we can expect. Saying "you're just speculating" over and over again adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. You might as well just respond to every post with "You typed text in that post!" and it would be just as valuable to the overall discussion.

    whereas making increasingly wild unfounded claims is useful?

    No but discussing our experiences in other games that have gone down similar paths, and extrapolating from those experiences what directions ZOS might take, and how those decisions might affect how often we play ESO or how much enjoyment we derive from it... those all seem like perfectly valid things to discuss in this thread.
    @wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion
  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Abeille wrote: »
    Actually that kinda is like group therapy, now that I think of it.

    LoL ! I didn't see it that way and also did not realize that a videogame could be that important a concern, but I see what you mean.
    That said, in a group therapy, the doctor, moderator, shrunk or whatever it is, ensures that the mood of a few isn't imposed to everyone, and that there's equal space for everyone. Think about that, too ;)



  • Cazzy
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    One of the reasons I was in this thread was to fight to have it changed. Now it's apparent that won't happen I'm simply discussing my distaste and hoping for more answers :smile:
    Edited by Cazzy on August 24, 2016 9:32PM
  • JimT722
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.



    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    wayfarerx wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    wonkydog wrote: »
    hagermanj wrote: »
    I might get this Reply removed, but so be it. I guess most of the people that say they don't line the Crown Boxes is that they are/worry about gambling addicts ( from what I have read ), I understand that ( I am not a gambling addict, but have been told that I am an alcoholic, so I don't take a drink ). Anyway back to what I want to say: do you live in states ( in US ) on in countries that have lottery's ( also you are legal age ), if so, Do you buy excessive amount if lottery tickets. Probably not. So way are these so bad. If you don't like the idea then DON'T BUY THEM,

    That's all I have to say. And the words of Mick Foley ( WWE former wrestler ): HAVE A GOOD DAY.

    I don't buy excessive (or any) lottery tickets, however, I would be uncomfortable to be with people spending a lot of money that they often cannot afford, in the hope that they will win a life changing amount. Their life does change, but normally for the worse.

    Regardless of potential issues people have with addiction, the major issue here is exploiting customer's wallets. People want x mount, they are happy to pay xxx crowns for said mount. No one is arguing over this. However, to make people have to buy random boxes and potentially spend xxxxxxx crowns for the mount is the issue. People want to buy specific items for a specific price. They can then budget for it. They do not want to be in a situation where they have no idea how much a mount will cost them, or even any idea if they will actually get it.

    I go on itunes to buy a certain album for £10. I want that album so I buy it. I don't want to go to Itunes and give them £3 and there is a 1/1,000 chance I will get the album I want. I might save money but the maths says it is 999 times more likely I will not get what I am looking for.

    The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor - in the unlikely case to win, you would would not get the album you like, but a random album, regardless if you want this album or not. And just if you have that album already, you get gems to buy that album which you like from an extra store - but it might just cost a little more gems than you have - so you have to keep gambling or your "win" was just a handful of worthless gems with which you can buy nothing of that what you want.

    so you've seen them..... or is that just more speculation?

    This is how it works - you will just get gems, if you have that item already in your collection - if not, that item is added to your collection, if you want it or not - you do not have the ability to exchange an unwanted item with a wanted one. They said this and I just put that into the metaphor offered in the post I replied to.

    If people expect to get the wanted item in the case they win, they are mistaken - it will be a random item of those offered in those boxes - and if you do not have it already, that will be your win. No way to say, "no I do not want this, I want something else" - the answer ZOS is giving to that is "you got an item, you did not have it yet, so this is your win now. If you want to win something else, well here are the boxes, buy a couple more of those"

    no. i was commenting on the bit where you said 'The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor' the bolding and italics are mine for emphasis....

    you state definitively that the boxes are even worse - suggesting that you have seen them..... my question stands -

    have you seen them or are you just speculating?

    No one has seen the boxes, so everyone is speculating, including you. The entire point of the thread is to speculate and render opinions based on what we know and what we think we can expect. Saying "you're just speculating" over and over again adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. You might as well just respond to every post with "You typed text in that post!" and it would be just as valuable to the overall discussion.

    whereas making increasingly wild unfounded claims is useful?

    Why do you think they are adding it. They are watching what other games have done. They are adding this because they can make massive amounts of money selling things of little value. It works and they have seen the results. If players are willing to support being blindly ripped off then they will implement it.

    No one is saying crown store crates are going to kill the game. The truth is the opposite. They are going to sell random crates with things they would normally charge $20 for likely $400 dollars on average. It works and development will shift focus because that's where the majority of profits will be made.

    Is this the content you want them to focus on? Is this a marketing strategy the consumer should support? If we do then that's what they will give us.
    Edited by JimT722 on August 24, 2016 8:25PM
  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    ADarklore wrote: »
    But those who choose to wear rose-colored glasses don't want to hear realism.

    Dealing easily with the fact there will be some crate-exclusive fluff that we won't have, and not making a tragedy out of it, is wearing pink colored glasses ? In my world it's called being an adult and having learned to deal with frustration... but to each his own I guess :)



    Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on August 24, 2016 8:20PM
  • Morimizo
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    No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble
    elvenmad wrote: »
    ZoS community manager's:

    RROGHed.jpg

    As will be the chance to win.

    "Wild Speculation" -- It won't be in the player's favor.
  • Abeille
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    No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    Actually that kinda is like group therapy, now that I think of it.

    LoL ! I didn't see it that way and also did not realize that a videogame could be that important a concern, but I see what you mean.
    That said, in a group therapy, the doctor, moderator, shrunk or whatever it is, ensures that the mood of a few isn't imposed to everyone, and that there's equal space for everyone. Think about that, too ;)



    Well, I'm sure the mods are trying their best taking by the number of posts that were deleted or edited :P
    But yeah, they can't catch everything.

    I think that many people that have a hard time just leaving a game do so because it is not "just a game", but a representation of time, effort and a lot of money. It's the sunk cost fallacy. They spent way too much time and money in the game, and they find it difficult to just leave when the game stop being entertaining for them so the possibility of the game taking a turn that will make them not find it entertaining anymore is actually a scary possibility. So they keep spending time and money on it (and complaining in the forums) instead of stopping, and that makes them bitter.

    Personally, I don't have trouble quitting, but I think it is because I never got to a point in any game that I said "OKAY THAT'S IT, I'M OUT. I'M SO OUT. BYE" (as in, one day you are playing just fine, the next you absolutely can't play anymore because something happened and the game went to hell). Closer was GW2, and even so, I didn't delete my characters. I started logging just to do dailies, then just to collect log in rewards, and I did that less and less until I stopped logging in at all (But I don't want this to happen to ESO because I love TES too much).
    Edited by Abeille on August 24, 2016 8:35PM
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • Cazzy
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Abeille wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    Actually that kinda is like group therapy, now that I think of it.

    LoL ! I didn't see it that way and also did not realize that a videogame could be that important a concern, but I see what you mean.
    That said, in a group therapy, the doctor, moderator, shrunk or whatever it is, ensures that the mood of a few isn't imposed to everyone, and that there's equal space for everyone. Think about that, too ;)



    Well, I'm sure the mods are trying their best taking by the number of posts that were deleted or edited :P
    But yeah, they can't catch everything.

    I think that many people that have a hard time just leaving a game do so because it is not "just a game", but a representation of time, effort and a lot of money. It's the sunk cost fallacy. They spent way too much time and money in the game, and they find it difficult to just leave when the game stop being entertaining for them so the possibility of the game taking a turn that will make them not find it entertaining anymore is actually a scary possibility. So they keep spending time and money on it (and complaining in the forums) instead of stopping, and that makes them bitter.

    Personally, I don't have trouble quitting, but I think it is because I never got to a point in any game that I said "OKAY THAT'S IT, I'M OUT. I'M SO OUT. BYE" (as in, one day you are playing just fine, the next you absolutely can't play anymore because something happened and the game went to hell). Closer was GW2, and even so, I didn't delete my characters. I started logging just to do dailies, then just to collect log in rewards, and I did that less and less until I stopped logging in at all (But I don't want this to happen to ESO because I love TES too much).

    Same xD
  • jedtb16_ESO
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    Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics
    JimT722 wrote: »


    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    wayfarerx wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    wonkydog wrote: »
    hagermanj wrote: »
    I might get this Reply removed, but so be it. I guess most of the people that say they don't line the Crown Boxes is that they are/worry about gambling addicts ( from what I have read ), I understand that ( I am not a gambling addict, but have been told that I am an alcoholic, so I don't take a drink ). Anyway back to what I want to say: do you live in states ( in US ) on in countries that have lottery's ( also you are legal age ), if so, Do you buy excessive amount if lottery tickets. Probably not. So way are these so bad. If you don't like the idea then DON'T BUY THEM,

    That's all I have to say. And the words of Mick Foley ( WWE former wrestler ): HAVE A GOOD DAY.

    I don't buy excessive (or any) lottery tickets, however, I would be uncomfortable to be with people spending a lot of money that they often cannot afford, in the hope that they will win a life changing amount. Their life does change, but normally for the worse.

    Regardless of potential issues people have with addiction, the major issue here is exploiting customer's wallets. People want x mount, they are happy to pay xxx crowns for said mount. No one is arguing over this. However, to make people have to buy random boxes and potentially spend xxxxxxx crowns for the mount is the issue. People want to buy specific items for a specific price. They can then budget for it. They do not want to be in a situation where they have no idea how much a mount will cost them, or even any idea if they will actually get it.

    I go on itunes to buy a certain album for £10. I want that album so I buy it. I don't want to go to Itunes and give them £3 and there is a 1/1,000 chance I will get the album I want. I might save money but the maths says it is 999 times more likely I will not get what I am looking for.

    The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor - in the unlikely case to win, you would would not get the album you like, but a random album, regardless if you want this album or not. And just if you have that album already, you get gems to buy that album which you like from an extra store - but it might just cost a little more gems than you have - so you have to keep gambling or your "win" was just a handful of worthless gems with which you can buy nothing of that what you want.

    so you've seen them..... or is that just more speculation?

    This is how it works - you will just get gems, if you have that item already in your collection - if not, that item is added to your collection, if you want it or not - you do not have the ability to exchange an unwanted item with a wanted one. They said this and I just put that into the metaphor offered in the post I replied to.

    If people expect to get the wanted item in the case they win, they are mistaken - it will be a random item of those offered in those boxes - and if you do not have it already, that will be your win. No way to say, "no I do not want this, I want something else" - the answer ZOS is giving to that is "you got an item, you did not have it yet, so this is your win now. If you want to win something else, well here are the boxes, buy a couple more of those"

    no. i was commenting on the bit where you said 'The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor' the bolding and italics are mine for emphasis....

    you state definitively that the boxes are even worse - suggesting that you have seen them..... my question stands -

    have you seen them or are you just speculating?

    No one has seen the boxes, so everyone is speculating, including you. The entire point of the thread is to speculate and render opinions based on what we know and what we think we can expect. Saying "you're just speculating" over and over again adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. You might as well just respond to every post with "You typed text in that post!" and it would be just as valuable to the overall discussion.

    whereas making increasingly wild unfounded claims is useful?

    Why do you think they are adding it. They are watching what other games have done. They are adding this because they can make massive amounts of money selling things of little value. It works and they have seen the results. If players are willing to support being blindly ripped off then they will implement it.

    No one is saying crown store crates are going to kill the game. The truth is the opposite. They are going to sell random crates with things they would normally charge $20 for likely $400 dollars on average. It works and development will shift focus because that's where the majority of profits will be made.

    Is this the content you want them to focus on? Is this a marketing strategy the consumer should support? If we do then that's what they will give us.

    you do realize that the content of your post supports the comment you are responding to?
  • JimT722
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    wayfarerx wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    wonkydog wrote: »
    hagermanj wrote: »
    I might get this Reply removed, but so be it. I guess most of the people that say they don't line the Crown Boxes is that they are/worry about gambling addicts ( from what I have read ), I understand that ( I am not a gambling addict, but have been told that I am an alcoholic, so I don't take a drink ). Anyway back to what I want to say: do you live in states ( in US ) on in countries that have lottery's ( also you are legal age ), if so, Do you buy excessive amount if lottery tickets. Probably not. So way are these so bad. If you don't like the idea then DON'T BUY THEM,

    That's all I have to say. And the words of Mick Foley ( WWE former wrestler ): HAVE A GOOD DAY.

    I don't buy excessive (or any) lottery tickets, however, I would be uncomfortable to be with people spending a lot of money that they often cannot afford, in the hope that they will win a life changing amount. Their life does change, but normally for the worse.

    Regardless of potential issues people have with addiction, the major issue here is exploiting customer's wallets. People want x mount, they are happy to pay xxx crowns for said mount. No one is arguing over this. However, to make people have to buy random boxes and potentially spend xxxxxxx crowns for the mount is the issue. People want to buy specific items for a specific price. They can then budget for it. They do not want to be in a situation where they have no idea how much a mount will cost them, or even any idea if they will actually get it.

    I go on itunes to buy a certain album for £10. I want that album so I buy it. I don't want to go to Itunes and give them £3 and there is a 1/1,000 chance I will get the album I want. I might save money but the maths says it is 999 times more likely I will not get what I am looking for.

    The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor - in the unlikely case to win, you would would not get the album you like, but a random album, regardless if you want this album or not. And just if you have that album already, you get gems to buy that album which you like from an extra store - but it might just cost a little more gems than you have - so you have to keep gambling or your "win" was just a handful of worthless gems with which you can buy nothing of that what you want.

    so you've seen them..... or is that just more speculation?

    This is how it works - you will just get gems, if you have that item already in your collection - if not, that item is added to your collection, if you want it or not - you do not have the ability to exchange an unwanted item with a wanted one. They said this and I just put that into the metaphor offered in the post I replied to.

    If people expect to get the wanted item in the case they win, they are mistaken - it will be a random item of those offered in those boxes - and if you do not have it already, that will be your win. No way to say, "no I do not want this, I want something else" - the answer ZOS is giving to that is "you got an item, you did not have it yet, so this is your win now. If you want to win something else, well here are the boxes, buy a couple more of those"

    no. i was commenting on the bit where you said 'The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor' the bolding and italics are mine for emphasis....

    you state definitively that the boxes are even worse - suggesting that you have seen them..... my question stands -

    have you seen them or are you just speculating?

    No one has seen the boxes, so everyone is speculating, including you. The entire point of the thread is to speculate and render opinions based on what we know and what we think we can expect. Saying "you're just speculating" over and over again adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. You might as well just respond to every post with "You typed text in that post!" and it would be just as valuable to the overall discussion.

    whereas making increasingly wild unfounded claims is useful?
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    JimT722 wrote: »


    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    wayfarerx wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    wonkydog wrote: »
    hagermanj wrote: »
    I might get this Reply removed, but so be it. I guess most of the people that say they don't line the Crown Boxes is that they are/worry about gambling addicts ( from what I have read ), I understand that ( I am not a gambling addict, but have been told that I am an alcoholic, so I don't take a drink ). Anyway back to what I want to say: do you live in states ( in US ) on in countries that have lottery's ( also you are legal age ), if so, Do you buy excessive amount if lottery tickets. Probably not. So way are these so bad. If you don't like the idea then DON'T BUY THEM,

    That's all I have to say. And the words of Mick Foley ( WWE former wrestler ): HAVE A GOOD DAY.

    I don't buy excessive (or any) lottery tickets, however, I would be uncomfortable to be with people spending a lot of money that they often cannot afford, in the hope that they will win a life changing amount. Their life does change, but normally for the worse.

    Regardless of potential issues people have with addiction, the major issue here is exploiting customer's wallets. People want x mount, they are happy to pay xxx crowns for said mount. No one is arguing over this. However, to make people have to buy random boxes and potentially spend xxxxxxx crowns for the mount is the issue. People want to buy specific items for a specific price. They can then budget for it. They do not want to be in a situation where they have no idea how much a mount will cost them, or even any idea if they will actually get it.

    I go on itunes to buy a certain album for £10. I want that album so I buy it. I don't want to go to Itunes and give them £3 and there is a 1/1,000 chance I will get the album I want. I might save money but the maths says it is 999 times more likely I will not get what I am looking for.

    The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor - in the unlikely case to win, you would would not get the album you like, but a random album, regardless if you want this album or not. And just if you have that album already, you get gems to buy that album which you like from an extra store - but it might just cost a little more gems than you have - so you have to keep gambling or your "win" was just a handful of worthless gems with which you can buy nothing of that what you want.

    so you've seen them..... or is that just more speculation?

    This is how it works - you will just get gems, if you have that item already in your collection - if not, that item is added to your collection, if you want it or not - you do not have the ability to exchange an unwanted item with a wanted one. They said this and I just put that into the metaphor offered in the post I replied to.

    If people expect to get the wanted item in the case they win, they are mistaken - it will be a random item of those offered in those boxes - and if you do not have it already, that will be your win. No way to say, "no I do not want this, I want something else" - the answer ZOS is giving to that is "you got an item, you did not have it yet, so this is your win now. If you want to win something else, well here are the boxes, buy a couple more of those"

    no. i was commenting on the bit where you said 'The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor' the bolding and italics are mine for emphasis....

    you state definitively that the boxes are even worse - suggesting that you have seen them..... my question stands -

    have you seen them or are you just speculating?

    No one has seen the boxes, so everyone is speculating, including you. The entire point of the thread is to speculate and render opinions based on what we know and what we think we can expect. Saying "you're just speculating" over and over again adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. You might as well just respond to every post with "You typed text in that post!" and it would be just as valuable to the overall discussion.

    whereas making increasingly wild unfounded claims is useful?

    Why do you think they are adding it. They are watching what other games have done. They are adding this because they can make massive amounts of money selling things of little value. It works and they have seen the results. If players are willing to support being blindly ripped off then they will implement it.

    No one is saying crown store crates are going to kill the game. The truth is the opposite. They are going to sell random crates with things they would normally charge $20 for likely $400 dollars on average. It works and development will shift focus because that's where the majority of profits will be made.

    Is this the content you want them to focus on? Is this a marketing strategy the consumer should support? If we do then that's what they will give us.

    you do realize that the content of your post supports the comment you are responding to?

    Yes that was a mistake
  • jedtb16_ESO
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    Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics
    wayfarerx wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    wayfarerx wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    wonkydog wrote: »
    hagermanj wrote: »
    I might get this Reply removed, but so be it. I guess most of the people that say they don't line the Crown Boxes is that they are/worry about gambling addicts ( from what I have read ), I understand that ( I am not a gambling addict, but have been told that I am an alcoholic, so I don't take a drink ). Anyway back to what I want to say: do you live in states ( in US ) on in countries that have lottery's ( also you are legal age ), if so, Do you buy excessive amount if lottery tickets. Probably not. So way are these so bad. If you don't like the idea then DON'T BUY THEM,

    That's all I have to say. And the words of Mick Foley ( WWE former wrestler ): HAVE A GOOD DAY.

    I don't buy excessive (or any) lottery tickets, however, I would be uncomfortable to be with people spending a lot of money that they often cannot afford, in the hope that they will win a life changing amount. Their life does change, but normally for the worse.

    Regardless of potential issues people have with addiction, the major issue here is exploiting customer's wallets. People want x mount, they are happy to pay xxx crowns for said mount. No one is arguing over this. However, to make people have to buy random boxes and potentially spend xxxxxxx crowns for the mount is the issue. People want to buy specific items for a specific price. They can then budget for it. They do not want to be in a situation where they have no idea how much a mount will cost them, or even any idea if they will actually get it.

    I go on itunes to buy a certain album for £10. I want that album so I buy it. I don't want to go to Itunes and give them £3 and there is a 1/1,000 chance I will get the album I want. I might save money but the maths says it is 999 times more likely I will not get what I am looking for.

    The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor - in the unlikely case to win, you would would not get the album you like, but a random album, regardless if you want this album or not. And just if you have that album already, you get gems to buy that album which you like from an extra store - but it might just cost a little more gems than you have - so you have to keep gambling or your "win" was just a handful of worthless gems with which you can buy nothing of that what you want.

    so you've seen them..... or is that just more speculation?

    This is how it works - you will just get gems, if you have that item already in your collection - if not, that item is added to your collection, if you want it or not - you do not have the ability to exchange an unwanted item with a wanted one. They said this and I just put that into the metaphor offered in the post I replied to.

    If people expect to get the wanted item in the case they win, they are mistaken - it will be a random item of those offered in those boxes - and if you do not have it already, that will be your win. No way to say, "no I do not want this, I want something else" - the answer ZOS is giving to that is "you got an item, you did not have it yet, so this is your win now. If you want to win something else, well here are the boxes, buy a couple more of those"

    no. i was commenting on the bit where you said 'The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor' the bolding and italics are mine for emphasis....

    you state definitively that the boxes are even worse - suggesting that you have seen them..... my question stands -

    have you seen them or are you just speculating?

    No one has seen the boxes, so everyone is speculating, including you. The entire point of the thread is to speculate and render opinions based on what we know and what we think we can expect. Saying "you're just speculating" over and over again adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. You might as well just respond to every post with "You typed text in that post!" and it would be just as valuable to the overall discussion.

    whereas making increasingly wild unfounded claims is useful?

    No but discussing our experiences in other games that have gone down similar paths, and extrapolating from those experiences what directions ZOS might take, and how those decisions might affect how often we play ESO or how much enjoyment we derive from it... those all seem like perfectly valid things to discuss in this thread.

    and if that were the case i would not be having this conversation with you.
  • JimT722
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    JimT722 wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    wayfarerx wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    wonkydog wrote: »
    hagermanj wrote: »
    I might get this Reply removed, but so be it. I guess most of the people that say they don't line the Crown Boxes is that they are/worry about gambling addicts ( from what I have read ), I understand that ( I am not a gambling addict, but have been told that I am an alcoholic, so I don't take a drink ). Anyway back to what I want to say: do you live in states ( in US ) on in countries that have lottery's ( also you are legal age ), if so, Do you buy excessive amount if lottery tickets. Probably not. So way are these so bad. If you don't like the idea then DON'T BUY THEM,

    That's all I have to say. And the words of Mick Foley ( WWE former wrestler ): HAVE A GOOD DAY.

    I don't buy excessive (or any) lottery tickets, however, I would be uncomfortable to be with people spending a lot of money that they often cannot afford, in the hope that they will win a life changing amount. Their life does change, but normally for the worse.

    Regardless of potential issues people have with addiction, the major issue here is exploiting customer's wallets. People want x mount, they are happy to pay xxx crowns for said mount. No one is arguing over this. However, to make people have to buy random boxes and potentially spend xxxxxxx crowns for the mount is the issue. People want to buy specific items for a specific price. They can then budget for it. They do not want to be in a situation where they have no idea how much a mount will cost them, or even any idea if they will actually get it.

    I go on itunes to buy a certain album for £10. I want that album so I buy it. I don't want to go to Itunes and give them £3 and there is a 1/1,000 chance I will get the album I want. I might save money but the maths says it is 999 times more likely I will not get what I am looking for.

    The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor - in the unlikely case to win, you would would not get the album you like, but a random album, regardless if you want this album or not. And just if you have that album already, you get gems to buy that album which you like from an extra store - but it might just cost a little more gems than you have - so you have to keep gambling or your "win" was just a handful of worthless gems with which you can buy nothing of that what you want.

    so you've seen them..... or is that just more speculation?

    This is how it works - you will just get gems, if you have that item already in your collection - if not, that item is added to your collection, if you want it or not - you do not have the ability to exchange an unwanted item with a wanted one. They said this and I just put that into the metaphor offered in the post I replied to.

    If people expect to get the wanted item in the case they win, they are mistaken - it will be a random item of those offered in those boxes - and if you do not have it already, that will be your win. No way to say, "no I do not want this, I want something else" - the answer ZOS is giving to that is "you got an item, you did not have it yet, so this is your win now. If you want to win something else, well here are the boxes, buy a couple more of those"

    no. i was commenting on the bit where you said 'The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor' the bolding and italics are mine for emphasis....

    you state definitively that the boxes are even worse - suggesting that you have seen them..... my question stands -

    have you seen them or are you just speculating?

    No one has seen the boxes, so everyone is speculating, including you. The entire point of the thread is to speculate and render opinions based on what we know and what we think we can expect. Saying "you're just speculating" over and over again adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. You might as well just respond to every post with "You typed text in that post!" and it would be just as valuable to the overall discussion.

    whereas making increasingly wild unfounded claims is useful?
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    JimT722 wrote: »


    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    wayfarerx wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    wonkydog wrote: »
    hagermanj wrote: »
    I might get this Reply removed, but so be it. I guess most of the people that say they don't line the Crown Boxes is that they are/worry about gambling addicts ( from what I have read ), I understand that ( I am not a gambling addict, but have been told that I am an alcoholic, so I don't take a drink ). Anyway back to what I want to say: do you live in states ( in US ) on in countries that have lottery's ( also you are legal age ), if so, Do you buy excessive amount if lottery tickets. Probably not. So way are these so bad. If you don't like the idea then DON'T BUY THEM,

    That's all I have to say. And the words of Mick Foley ( WWE former wrestler ): HAVE A GOOD DAY.

    I don't buy excessive (or any) lottery tickets, however, I would be uncomfortable to be with people spending a lot of money that they often cannot afford, in the hope that they will win a life changing amount. Their life does change, but normally for the worse.

    Regardless of potential issues people have with addiction, the major issue here is exploiting customer's wallets. People want x mount, they are happy to pay xxx crowns for said mount. No one is arguing over this. However, to make people have to buy random boxes and potentially spend xxxxxxx crowns for the mount is the issue. People want to buy specific items for a specific price. They can then budget for it. They do not want to be in a situation where they have no idea how much a mount will cost them, or even any idea if they will actually get it.

    I go on itunes to buy a certain album for £10. I want that album so I buy it. I don't want to go to Itunes and give them £3 and there is a 1/1,000 chance I will get the album I want. I might save money but the maths says it is 999 times more likely I will not get what I am looking for.

    The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor - in the unlikely case to win, you would would not get the album you like, but a random album, regardless if you want this album or not. And just if you have that album already, you get gems to buy that album which you like from an extra store - but it might just cost a little more gems than you have - so you have to keep gambling or your "win" was just a handful of worthless gems with which you can buy nothing of that what you want.

    so you've seen them..... or is that just more speculation?

    This is how it works - you will just get gems, if you have that item already in your collection - if not, that item is added to your collection, if you want it or not - you do not have the ability to exchange an unwanted item with a wanted one. They said this and I just put that into the metaphor offered in the post I replied to.

    If people expect to get the wanted item in the case they win, they are mistaken - it will be a random item of those offered in those boxes - and if you do not have it already, that will be your win. No way to say, "no I do not want this, I want something else" - the answer ZOS is giving to that is "you got an item, you did not have it yet, so this is your win now. If you want to win something else, well here are the boxes, buy a couple more of those"

    no. i was commenting on the bit where you said 'The crown boxes are even worse than your metaphor' the bolding and italics are mine for emphasis....

    you state definitively that the boxes are even worse - suggesting that you have seen them..... my question stands -

    have you seen them or are you just speculating?

    No one has seen the boxes, so everyone is speculating, including you. The entire point of the thread is to speculate and render opinions based on what we know and what we think we can expect. Saying "you're just speculating" over and over again adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. You might as well just respond to every post with "You typed text in that post!" and it would be just as valuable to the overall discussion.

    whereas making increasingly wild unfounded claims is useful?

    Why do you think they are adding it. They are watching what other games have done. They are adding this because they can make massive amounts of money selling things of little value. It works and they have seen the results. If players are willing to support being blindly ripped off then they will implement it.

    No one is saying crown store crates are going to kill the game. The truth is the opposite. They are going to sell random crates with things they would normally charge $20 for likely $400 dollars on average. It works and development will shift focus because that's where the majority of profits will be made.

    Is this the content you want them to focus on? Is this a marketing strategy the consumer should support? If we do then that's what they will give us.

    you do realize that the content of your post supports the comment you are responding to?

    Yes that was a mistake. What I get for using my phone.

  • Hand_Bacon
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    Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics
    There hasn't been this much proselytization about the end of ESO since last week.

    I hope they feature a doomsday mount in the box.
    #AlmostGood@ESO
  • Devil_Doc8404
    Devil_Doc8404
    Soul Shriven
    I agree with the community, bad idea. A better idea is to have a by weekly rotation in the crown store for everything that was discussed in the video.
  • Cazzy
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Hand_Bacon wrote: »
    There hasn't been this much proselytization about the end of ESO since last week.

    I hope they feature a doomsday mount in the box.

    You mean like the zombie horse? :wink:
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