What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

ADarklore

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

So here we are, 63 pages with almost 1000 players voting, and still 66% of players are saying NO! And still NO WORD from ZOS on the subject at all. I think this speaks volumes about how much they actually LISTEN to their players.

No word, and announcements going forward as planned.

Make no mistake, it's -allready- driving players away from the game, I spend less time on my PC and more time on my Xbox as the days go by. Zenimax does not care. Zenimax needs short term cash. Zenimax could intentionally be trying to shut this game down for all we know, who knows?

Then again as someone who sat here and watched all the tank nerfs proceed as planned....welcome to the cardinal rule of MMO's. The only place where they WANT your feedback is bugfixes. Everywhere else, -stay silent-.

Funny because I've been in the same boat... I used to play 8-10 hours every day off, now I find myself considering other game options. I walked away from DCUO after being loyal for almost two years over some of the stupid things they did, ZOS is getting to me to reach that point here with decisions as of late... these 'lottery boxes' being another added to the pile.

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

So here we are, 63 pages with almost 1000 players voting, and still 66% of players are saying NO! And still NO WORD from ZOS on the subject at all. I think this speaks volumes about how much they actually LISTEN to their players.

Lmao. Are you kidding me??? The stickied thread at the top of the forum created by ZOS about cheating show they do not listen. That is game breaking this is not. They are not going to respond to this. Just announce when it goes live.

just because they don't respond does not mean they aren't listening...

Dont mean their pulling full stop either.

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

ADarklore wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

So here we are, 63 pages with almost 1000 players voting, and still 66% of players are saying NO! And still NO WORD from ZOS on the subject at all. I think this speaks volumes about how much they actually LISTEN to their players.

No word, and announcements going forward as planned.

Make no mistake, it's -allready- driving players away from the game, I spend less time on my PC and more time on my Xbox as the days go by. Zenimax does not care. Zenimax needs short term cash. Zenimax could intentionally be trying to shut this game down for all we know, who knows?

Then again as someone who sat here and watched all the tank nerfs proceed as planned....welcome to the cardinal rule of MMO's. The only place where they WANT your feedback is bugfixes. Everywhere else, -stay silent-.

Funny because I've been in the same boat... I used to play 8-10 hours every day off, now I find myself considering other game options. I walked away from DCUO after being loyal for almost two years over some of the stupid things they did, ZOS is getting to me to reach that point here with decisions as of late... these 'lottery boxes' being another added to the pile.

I've been moving away from PC for various reasons (Mostly hardware, monitary, and the "I dont have time to build a PC nor the patience) and one of the few things I needed a good PC for, was this game. Pretty soon it looks like if it werrent for web browsing and youtube I could toss this rig out the window.

Siphoneer

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

How do I vote the no option lol

ItsGlaive

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Given the ongoing (and in my opinion entirely justified) backlash against this news, there's going to need to be more of a response than we've had thus far.

petraeus1

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

So here we are, 63 pages with almost 1000 players voting, and still 66% of players are saying NO! And still NO WORD from ZOS on the subject at all. I think this speaks volumes about how much they actually LISTEN to their players.

Lmao. Are you kidding me??? The stickied thread at the top of the forum created by ZOS about cheating show they do not listen. That is game breaking this is not. They are not going to respond to this. Just announce when it goes live.

just because they don't respond does not mean they aren't listening...

Dont mean their pulling full stop either.

This idea was brought up looking at other video games, the marketing/finance department decided to go for it, and they sure ain't pulling back because a couple a hundred people are throwing a fuss here. They'll look at the numbers once these boxes hit live.

So I mean what can the devs say? You know how it goes, everything any employee says will be held against him/her at some point.

Expecting a response, let alone an apologetic one or one that goes against company direction is not realistic and getting worked up over it won't change that.

They know a lot of people really dislike it, the controversy of this decision is widespread on the forums, reddit, social media and press websites, and that's that.

Cazzy

No, don't ever add these into the game.

But I'm not subbing or buying anything, just playing

ADarklore

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

With Skyrim: Special Edition coming out the end of October, makes me wonder how many players will leave and return to Skyrim?

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

petraeus1 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

So here we are, 63 pages with almost 1000 players voting, and still 66% of players are saying NO! And still NO WORD from ZOS on the subject at all. I think this speaks volumes about how much they actually LISTEN to their players.

Lmao. Are you kidding me??? The stickied thread at the top of the forum created by ZOS about cheating show they do not listen. That is game breaking this is not. They are not going to respond to this. Just announce when it goes live.

just because they don't respond does not mean they aren't listening...

Dont mean their pulling full stop either.

This idea was brought up looking at other video games, the marketing/finance department decided to go for it, and they sure ain't pulling back because a couple a hundred people are throwing a fuss here. They'll look at the numbers once these boxes hit live.

So I mean what can the devs say? You know how it goes, everything any employee says will be held against him/her at some point.

Expecting a response, let alone an apologetic one or one that goes against company direction is not realistic and getting worked up over it won't change that.

They know a lot of people really dislike it, the controversy of this decision is widespread on the forums, reddit, social media and press websites, and that's that.

Yep.

If we get a response it'll be them shuting this thread down and damage control. When they look at the numbers when it goes live, one of two things will happen.

A, we will get a heartfelt apology (And I really doubt it.) and it'll be taken down.

B. They will figure out how to sell boxes.

The first is much more likely after a sufficient ammount of time and effort is spent on the second with no results. Best way to fight this is to choke it with both hands.

socivL

i really like the gamble boxes - theyre going to make tamriel great again, for a second time.
these will be fun around christmas time, because of the crown store sale and i am really lonely and dont have anyone but myself to spend money and time on.

Rosveen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

ADarklore wrote: »

With Skyrim: Special Edition coming out the end of October, makes me wonder how many players will leave and return to Skyrim?

A fair few I suppose, but the new version doesn't actually offer anything new to PC players aside from a 64-bit client, so that part of the playerbase doesn't have a good reason to go back.

ADarklore

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Rosveen wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

With Skyrim: Special Edition coming out the end of October, makes me wonder how many players will leave and return to Skyrim?

A fair few I suppose, but the new version doesn't actually offer anything new to PC players aside from a 64-bit client, so that part of the playerbase doesn't have a good reason to go back.

I dunno, I've heard it's been completely remastered and updated... so it may well have a completely new feel to playing it.

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

ADarklore wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

With Skyrim: Special Edition coming out the end of October, makes me wonder how many players will leave and return to Skyrim?

A fair few I suppose, but the new version doesn't actually offer anything new to PC players aside from a 64-bit client, so that part of the playerbase doesn't have a good reason to go back.

I dunno, I've heard it's been completely remastered and updated... so it may well have a completely new feel to playing it.

It's been given a visual update and made more stable.

If they added new systems to it, like new weapon customization or something, I'll be impressed.

Florial

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Doesn't bother me that much if cosmetic items are sold. I tend not to purchase gambling boxes due to my lousy in game luck but may spend a few of my excess crowns on a few just to see what I may get. I have spent money on boxes in other games and quickly realized that it was a waste of my money.

With housing coming out soon, would love to see some nice special housing items added though.

RinaldoGandolphi

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

With Skyrim: Special Edition coming out the end of October, makes me wonder how many players will leave and return to Skyrim?

A fair few I suppose, but the new version doesn't actually offer anything new to PC players aside from a 64-bit client, so that part of the playerbase doesn't have a good reason to go back.

I dunno, I've heard it's been completely remastered and updated... so it may well have a completely new feel to playing it.

It's been given a visual update and made more stable.

If they added new systems to it, like new weapon customization or something, I'll be impressed.

It will be more moddable then it is now.

64 bit exe

a new 64 bit version of SKSE(Skyrim Script Extender) will be coming.

Console will get lots of mods

Updated Creation Kit

Its going to be HUGE they quite literally recreated Skyrim with updated tools, the mod possiblities now will just be wow....i can't want for this to come...its brought back my passion to mod again...i'll have to update my Nexus page and somethings going soon

Garldeen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

It is clear that these are coming in, however, it would still be nice to see some kind of x both in x hours limits in place to stop people getting addicted to the gambling. One box a day would be a fair solution in my option. It would allow people to try and win some goodies but also not get carried away. If we can have it for crafting and for horse levelling then we could have it for this.

elvenmad

No, don't ever add these into the game.

wonkydog wrote: »

It is clear that these are coming in, however, it would still be nice to see some kind of x both in x hours limits in place to stop people getting addicted to the gambling. One box a day would be a fair solution in my option. It would allow people to try and win some goodies but also not get carried away. If we can have it for crafting and for horse levelling then we could have it for this.

Only thing is what you would like to see is the exact opposite of what they want, they want people to get hooked and spend everything they have got on them, THAT is what cash shop loot boxes are designed to do, nothing else

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I remeber games like mass effect 3 the multi player part had theses micro transactions .. This is a blatant CASH GRAB if ever ive seen one take note everyone who supports this YOU will be buying 100 boxes to get anything good.. blowing crowns left right and center and ZOS knows this..this was true for ME3 it was RNG BIG TIME!!! by all means support there cash grab may i bring your atten to vamp and werewolf still being in the crown store wonder how many poor saps have been sucked in by that???? among other rip offs.. THAT said maybe if they got more cash they would spit out decent dlc unlike SHADOW OF THE HIST .... They must of lost a butt load of subs and players over there issuses that carried on for months + guess the bean counters aint happy with them .. lets RNG little boxs and watch the players throw money at us!!!

Enodoc

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Siphoneer wrote: »

How do I vote the no option lol

Not like that

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

senhavran wrote: »

CROWN CRATES

Toward the end of November, we'll be giving you a chance to receive some very special items with the introduction of Crown Crates. These Crates, available in the Crown Store for just 400 crowns, will contain a randomized selection of useful consumables, and offer a chance to obtain rare and unique cosmetic items or mounts, including some previously-retired mounts, costumes, pets, and limited-time offers that are no longer available in the Crown Store. Crates will have different themes throughout the year, giving you the chance to obtain new, extremely rare items.

In the event you receive a mount, pet, costume or personality that you already own, you'll be awarded special Crown Gems in its place. These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

If I understand this right, it means that some items you might have gambled for by buying crown crates will be removed before you obtained it if you were unlucky enough to not get it before the Crown Crate season we're currently in ends?

I am starting to dislike this crown crates exclusive items idea... I might not even buy one of them and save all my crowns for what I'm 100% sure I will get from the crown store. I am still keeping my wait and see stance for now, I can't wait to see how it really works if it's live on the PTS next week.

i've gone the other way.... initially i had no intention of buying them but now i think i will so i can see for myself what the fuss is about.

The thing to do is buy them on PTS. That way you can test the RNG, get a feel for what's in them, but never actually spend any money on them unless you really want to.

Cazzy

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I still feel like there's so much 'hidden' information. For example; what will happen to the exclusive mounts we get in the regular Crown Store? Will we still get them or is everything going into the boxes now?

So many datamined collectibles have yet to appear and it's a worry that the boxes will actually replace our exclusive/limited offers.

Recremen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Enodoc wrote: »

So, 400 Crowns per box. What costs 400 Crowns now, or has cost 400 Crowns in the past?

• 10x each discontinued single-attribute food/drink
• 10x Fortifying Meal
• 10x Refreshing Drink
• 160x Lethal Poison
• 40x each discontinued single-attribute potion
• 20x Tri-Restoration Potion
• 10x Repair Kit
• 10x Soul Gem
• Hats
• 4x Dye Stamps
• Most Domestic pets

A "fair purchase", then, for 400 Crowns, would have to include equivalent value to this. So the "guaranteed consumables" in each box must be at least one of these rows or equivalent value; for example, 10 tri-pots and 5 soul gems.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

JahneeO wrote: »

Holy Good God people.

I have never seen such outrage over something sold in a game. All this talk about business models and this game did this and then that happened, and what about those with gambling problems, what should we do?

It's. A. Game.
A good game. And one, need I remind you, that you can play for as long as you would like without ever entering the crown store.

Think rationally for a second, does a recovering alcoholic not go into a supermarket because they have a beer aisle?
No.
They still shop there because 85% of the store is food. Food is good.

If what ZoS is doing with their game is just something you can't take anymore? Do me a favor: Go take a walk, get outside and breathe some fresh air.
ESO is a game, your life is your life.

Life is good.

This outside you speak of , does it have crown store Senche Mount ? I don't like walking . Takes too long to finish Grocery Questline .

I dont think you can finish that questline. It's one of those Repeatable quests.

@Enodoc The problem with that line of reasoning is that you're going based solely on listed price, not on what people are willing to pay for those goods/whether or not an individual even has a use for them. If someone has ESO+ and all the dyes unlocked, are they ever going to buy dye stamps? Does anyone actually buy the Crown Store potions, poisons, and soul gems? What about someone who values one of those consumables and not the others?

When it gets down to it, it's just a gamble, no matter what's inside the boxes. You're taking a risk that the consumable will be useful and you're doing it solely to get a chance at a cosmetic item, otherwise you'd just go buy the consumable. It's all just bid-increasing incentivization and bid-confidence boosting.

Rokh

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Hello everybody. There is so much cool stuff that i have missed in the crown store because for several months in a year i am unable to play. Gosh how badly i want that Black Camel mount of Ill Omen and the Elven Hero Costume and it saddens me already to think how many boxes i will go through to find them.

My ideal scenario would be that Zenimax would bring back all the rare mounts and costumes for an 'end of the year sale', and I can buy all the cool mounts and costumes I have missed during the year - the same way i buy everything else like clothes, toys and electronics etc in rl ^^ sounds logical? or should i dream on..

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Cazzy wrote: »

I still feel like there's so much 'hidden' information. For example; what will happen to the exclusive mounts we get in the regular Crown Store? Will we still get them or is everything going into the boxes now?

So many datamined collectibles have yet to appear and it's a worry that the boxes will actually replace our exclusive/limited offers.

if they do deside to stick alot of these crown store mounts in boxes i CAN ASURE YOU that you will spent more than just buying it outright!! Watch the forums explode with hate if that happens!!

Abeille

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Rosveen wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

With Skyrim: Special Edition coming out the end of October, makes me wonder how many players will leave and return to Skyrim?

A fair few I suppose, but the new version doesn't actually offer anything new to PC players aside from a 64-bit client, so that part of the playerbase doesn't have a good reason to go back.

Yeah, I wish this version provided at least a better wrap-up to the main plot points

Garldeen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Might hold off on completing the termination form until after this week's ESO Live. If they avoid the issue then that isn't a good sign, if they are happy to chat about it and explain it in more detail then it may not be as bad as it could be. If they cancel ESO Live then run for the hills

Dromede

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

ragespell wrote: »

uzi wrote: »

Gotta say, I have mixed feelings about this. Initially, I regarded this as a negative thing and thought rng boxes are just plain wrong to add into a MMO. Some poor guy probably missed their limited polar bear/ frost horse from their collection is blindly going to spend 500 EUR to get it.

But then I thought maybe if the price of the rng box was low enough and the chance to get a mount was relatively high enough, this could be ok so that you'd only have to spend around 40-50 EUR to get the limited mount you were looking for. This presents another problem, however. Eventually the guy buying rng boxes would have WAY more stuff for his money than the guy who originally bought the limited mount when it was truly limited.

I've come up with a solution though. Add multiple, different rng boxes, so that each COULD contain one of 1-3 different limited mounts, so that people would still have to farm but at least they didn't have to burn the whole forest down but instead 1/3 or 1/4 of the forest to find the mount they were looking for.

There isn't any chance that what you hope will happens: if the average price of mount in boxes would be around 4000 crows, they will simply sell them in the store.

Boxes are used to make people pay a price they would never spend upfront. In my opinion rare mount will cost as much as few hundreds dollars on average.
The second reason to keep rare items rare, is to not lower their value: if everybody and his mother would run around with the "black unicorn of the seven seals", in little to no time nobody would want it anymore.

This sounds true and insane at the same time. I guess rare mount price will have to be much higher than 4000 crowns unless there's a solid 10% chancr of getting it out of 10* crown boxes.. which is very unlikely.

LrdRahvin

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

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Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for your thoughts on the upcoming Crown Crates, everyone. Just want to clarify a few points -

First, Crown Crates will be available later this year, and will only include cosmetic or convenience items. You'll find things like potions and other consumables, pets, costumes, and - yes - sometimes even mounts. This will give you a chance to try and obtain previous limited time offers, or even some very unique items as Matt mentioned. It will not include things like armor or weapons.

In the event you get an item that you already own, you can exchange it for a currency called Crown Gems which will allow you to buy a different item of your choice.

Now, Gina, show that you are honest at ZOS - and give us the chance table for these items - an honest one - this is the only thing to get an acceptance for this and to show that this is not just a blatant cash grab and preying on gambling addicts. Be honest with us and show us, that there is a reasonable chance to get these items, then we might accept it - but if it is like in Archeage with percentages of 0.1%, 0.01% and lower, then this cannot be accepted and some of us will never spend another dime on this game.

Knowing ZOS history with RNG, I expect the worst.

Well, it's their loss - it is about 180,000 crowns, which I will not spend on this game per year, and I would have played for long, but so I will leave when my ESO+ runs out in August 2017 and not spend a single US$ on this game until then - it's their loss.

Not to forget about that bunch of ESO gold edition packs, which I wanted to give as a gift to role play friends around christmas - this will as well not happen now. Nor do I need houses, and I would have bought like 12 of them - if not more - so be it - they do not want my money in a fair deal, they rather go for gamble.

I'm lucky my ESO+ is month by month so I've cancelled. Going to uninstalled tonight, which leaves loads of space for a new game. Might treat myself

Don't be rash and uninstall from game you love . Just don't support monetarily things that are cash grab . Speak out on social media for change and enjoy what you've already purchased . If game goes f2p and gameplay options get locked behind pay wall , then I would uninstall as it is hopeless at that point . Stay vigilant until the time comes my friend .

Indeed @Cazzy, these boxes will not be there in the next few weeks - and the last word about those might not be spoken yet as well. You can still enjoy the game and wait and see - the majority is against it in this poll, maybe ZOS will rethink their stand on this. It might just not be such a good idea as they thought it would be - and maybe they will get this from our reactions.

Points @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom to the poll. ZOS "claims" to listen to our feed back and the major of players are saying "By Oblivion, NO!" This is a good chance for ZOS to prove that they do indeed listen to their players.

probably not .

this ^

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

petraeus1 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

So here we are, 63 pages with almost 1000 players voting, and still 66% of players are saying NO! And still NO WORD from ZOS on the subject at all. I think this speaks volumes about how much they actually LISTEN to their players.

Lmao. Are you kidding me??? The stickied thread at the top of the forum created by ZOS about cheating show they do not listen. That is game breaking this is not. They are not going to respond to this. Just announce when it goes live.

just because they don't respond does not mean they aren't listening...

Dont mean their pulling full stop either.

This idea was brought up looking at other video games, the marketing/finance department decided to go for it, and they sure ain't pulling back because a couple a hundred people are throwing a fuss here. They'll look at the numbers once these boxes hit live.

So I mean what can the devs say? You know how it goes, everything any employee says will be held against him/her at some point.

Expecting a response, let alone an apologetic one or one that goes against company direction is not realistic and getting worked up over it won't change that.

They know a lot of people really dislike it, the controversy of this decision is widespread on the forums, reddit, social media and press websites, and that's that.

Yep.

If we get a response it'll be them shuting this thread down and damage control. When they look at the numbers when it goes live, one of two things will happen.

A, we will get a heartfelt apology (And I really doubt it.) and it'll be taken down.

B. They will figure out how to sell boxes.

The first is much more likely after a sufficient ammount of time and effort is spent on the second with no results. Best way to fight this is to choke it with both hands.

Sadly the ppl that just buy them will support them remeber its digital content stick it in a store if ppl buy them and continue ZOS rubs there hands together and say SUCKERS!! To the ppl that dont support this crap will lose the fight every time!! I swear as soon ans theres a sujestion to *** more money off players its a sure thing FIX BUGS RIGHT AWAY well we will think about it!!

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

wonkydog wrote: »

Might hold off on completing the termination form until after this week's ESO Live. If they avoid the issue then that isn't a good sign, if they are happy to chat about it and explain it in more detail then it may not be as bad as it could be. If they cancel ESO Live then run for the hills

It would be nice if it worked that way.

What will actually happen is that we will hear the same message we have here in the forum. They will either repeat what has already been said, or say "more information coming Soon™! Depends on exactly what you want to know.

Abeille

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Dromede wrote: »

ragespell wrote: »

uzi wrote: »

Gotta say, I have mixed feelings about this. Initially, I regarded this as a negative thing and thought rng boxes are just plain wrong to add into a MMO. Some poor guy probably missed their limited polar bear/ frost horse from their collection is blindly going to spend 500 EUR to get it.

But then I thought maybe if the price of the rng box was low enough and the chance to get a mount was relatively high enough, this could be ok so that you'd only have to spend around 40-50 EUR to get the limited mount you were looking for. This presents another problem, however. Eventually the guy buying rng boxes would have WAY more stuff for his money than the guy who originally bought the limited mount when it was truly limited.

I've come up with a solution though. Add multiple, different rng boxes, so that each COULD contain one of 1-3 different limited mounts, so that people would still have to farm but at least they didn't have to burn the whole forest down but instead 1/3 or 1/4 of the forest to find the mount they were looking for.

There isn't any chance that what you hope will happens: if the average price of mount in boxes would be around 4000 crows, they will simply sell them in the store.

Boxes are used to make people pay a price they would never spend upfront. In my opinion rare mount will cost as much as few hundreds dollars on average.
The second reason to keep rare items rare, is to not lower their value: if everybody and his mother would run around with the "black unicorn of the seven seals", in little to no time nobody would want it anymore.

This sounds true and insane at the same time. I guess rare mount price will have to be much higher than 4000 crowns unless there's a solid 10% chancr of getting it out of 400 crown boxes.. which is very unlikely.

And don't forget:
Everybody that paid 4000 Crowns for the dro-m'athra senche when it was being sold directly got the dro-m'athra senche.
Not everybody that pays 4000 Crowns trying to get the same mount from the boxes (or 5000, or 10000) will get the dro-m'athra senche.
Making more money, letting less people get it. Hm.