What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

uzi

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Gotta say, I have mixed feelings about this. Initially, I regarded this as a negative thing and thought rng boxes are just plain wrong to add into a MMO. Some poor guy probably missed their limited polar bear/ frost horse from their collection is blindly going to spend 500 EUR to get it.

But then I thought maybe if the price of the rng box was low enough and the chance to get a mount was relatively high enough, this could be ok so that you'd only have to spend around 40-50 EUR to get the limited mount you were looking for. This presents another problem, however. Eventually the guy buying rng boxes would have WAY more stuff for his money than the guy who originally bought the limited mount when it was truly limited.

I've come up with a solution though. Add multiple, different rng boxes, so that each COULD contain one of 1-3 different limited mounts, so that people would still have to farm but at least they didn't have to burn the whole forest down but instead 1/3 or 1/4 of the forest to find the mount they were looking for.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

uzi wrote: »

Gotta say, I have mixed feelings about this. Initially, I regarded this as a negative thing and thought rng boxes are just plain wrong to add into a MMO. Some poor guy probably missed their limited polar bear/ frost horse from their collection is blindly going to spend 500 EUR to get it.

But then I thought maybe if the price of the rng box was low enough and the chance to get a mount was relatively high enough, this could be ok so that you'd only have to spend around 40-50 EUR to get the limited mount you were looking for. This presents another problem, however. Eventually the guy buying rng boxes would have WAY more stuff for his money than the guy who originally bought the limited mount when it was truly limited.

I've come up with a solution though. Add multiple, different rng boxes, so that each COULD contain one of 1-3 different limited mounts, so that people would still have to farm but at least they didn't have to burn the whole forest down but instead 1/3 or 1/4 of the forest to find the mount they were looking for.

That would be a reasonable solution, but it is not what ZOS will do - why?- because they are not interested into that you get the mount or item you actually want, because then you will stop buying boxes. The whole thing is set up so, that you will continue to buy boxes and the more boxes you have already, the more the notion will come to your mind "I have invested so much already to get this mount, it could be in the next box or the next 10 boxes" - and this will make many keep buying boxes. If people would actually have a reasonable chance to get what they want, this would not be in the interest of ZOS. They sell the illusion that you could get something "cheaper" and that you will actually get what you want at some point in time.

But the whole thing is designed so, that you will have to own most of the stuff, which you do not want and did not want so far first, before there will be a reasonable chance to get what you want - but you will as well not get it right away, because they rotate stuff in and out of these boxes. You might just not get the Crown Gems fast enough to exchange it for what you want, because at that time, where you eventually have the Gems, that what you want will be rotated out and you might have to wait for months to see it return, if it ever will return that is. They will make more items and the more new items there are, the lower the chance that you see that what you want returning to the gamble - so you might never ever get what you actually want.

Arezius

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Sorry for the "strong" way to say it, but lockboxes are the cancer of video games.
Every good game that introduced this became awful garbage.

> Paying for content ? Oblivion YES, I'm doing that a lot, buying every collector's editions of the DLCs while I'm still subbed (since the release of the game), and often buying useless-but-must-have things from the Crown Store like mounts, pets, cool pirate costumes and a joyful look for my Argonian

> Paying for a hundred lockboxes with a random 0.001% chance to have the thing I want ? NO, no, no, no, no god please no, and nooooooo again.

Look at what Trion did to Rift, do NOT make that to ESO, I'm ready to beg for it.

If there is one thing people want about ESO and have always asked : Do not ruin it by making it like "every" other MMOs out there.

Please, don't ruin it. No lockboxes, at all.

Tyrion87

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

LOL 63 pages already and for what? ZOS will ignore it either way even if the whole community is unanimous regarding this matter. It reminds me of all the fuss about templar nerf with TG, sorc nerf with DB and the assistants with the limited functionality for 5k each. Has ZOS done anything about it? No. And they will do nothing in this case either.

For now I surely won't quit just because of these boxes but the idea of these definitely affects my opinion about ZOS as a gaming company and such opinion of each player really matters in the long run. For instance, I don't listen to a singer whom I don't like as a person.

AnthragonVangor

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I really don't care about the number you put befor the " x % chance" because it is the word CHANCE that makes this system garbage. Even if they cost "only" 5.00 whatever currency you have in your country. I don't want to have this feeling of maybe it is in the first chest or maybe in the 10 th chest and I really don't care if someone says, that in every chest there is "something". I don't want that "something" I want that specific thing and I am willing to pay for something I want. I don't want to buy question marks. If you give us the chance to create own costumes with an editor or mounts, ok, then come along with "loot lunch" boxes and I can create the colour, gimmicks, style of my costumes/pets/ by my own. But I don't want to have the chance and by saying this you should add the sentence OR THE CHANCE TO NOT GET THAT SPECIFIC ITEM. Don't present just the shiny side of the medal, show people that there is also a dirty side.

If there is a loot box in a game like Rocket League, I really don't care about them, because I don't put any "role playing aspect" in this game.

I am okay, that I had to "fight" for the "coldharbour black" color and I am okay with buying a colour in the shop.

But it is Zenimax decision if they want people who subscribe and buy things in a shop (and there should me a lot of people who do this - it is a guess but I can't prove it) or if they want to replace them, because many (maybe not all) will leave the game. I mean Zenimax...take a look on some youtube vids where people are complaining about MMOs using a method like loot boxes. Most of them are people who played that game sometimes for years and had sometimes even a participation to make a game more popular. What kind of argument do you need to realize that this is a bad decision? Is it really the profit only? Doesn't it bring more profit when people trust a company and relate good conditions?

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Maybe this is a thing like with children and the hot plate - you can tell them as often as you want, that it is a bad idea to touch the hot plate and get burnt - but they will not listen to that, they will have to actually touch the plate and suffer the burn to learn something. Considering this, maybe it has to be handled exactly like this - maybe we should let ZOS just do it and let those 30%, who embrace those boxes, get terribly burnt (in their wallet) - maybe they just need to feel the pain and the damage before they can grasp it.

Can we actually help it?- Maybe it is possible to achieve a service interruption in germany and get the EU servers shut down for a while. Problem is, it does not just effect ZOS, it will hurt all the many players who are on this server. As much as I would like to throw sand in the gearbox of ZOS to make them think about the matter, it is a problem for me to actually initiate this, knowing that I might help a minority with it, but at the same time hit a majority instead. The cause might be just and morally and ethically good, but the actual effects are not fair to anyone. This is the terrible truth - if one goes against this, it will mostly hit innocent people and those, who are really evil will get away just by moving the servers abroad.

The only thing left is the Ghandi method - refuse to give them what they desire most - our money and our support.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

63 pages - for and against.

lots of speculation.... 'statistics' based on speculation. opinions dressed up as 'facts' and all that drama.

ah the internet..... doncha just love it?

Enodoc

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

So, 400 Crowns per box. What costs 400 Crowns now, or has cost 400 Crowns in the past?

• 10x each discontinued single-attribute food/drink
• 10x Fortifying Meal
• 10x Refreshing Drink
• 160x Lethal Poison
• 40x each discontinued single-attribute potion
• 20x Tri-Restoration Potion
• 10x Repair Kit
• 10x Soul Gem
• Hats
• 4x Dye Stamps
• Most Domestic pets

A "fair purchase", then, for 400 Crowns, would have to include equivalent value to this. So the "guaranteed consumables" in each box must be at least one of these rows or equivalent value; for example, 10 tri-pots and 5 soul gems.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

JahneeO wrote: »

Holy Good God people.

I have never seen such outrage over something sold in a game. All this talk about business models and this game did this and then that happened, and what about those with gambling problems, what should we do?

It's. A. Game.
A good game. And one, need I remind you, that you can play for as long as you would like without ever entering the crown store.

Think rationally for a second, does a recovering alcoholic not go into a supermarket because they have a beer aisle?
No.
They still shop there because 85% of the store is food. Food is good.

If what ZoS is doing with their game is just something you can't take anymore? Do me a favor: Go take a walk, get outside and breathe some fresh air.
ESO is a game, your life is your life.

Life is good.

This outside you speak of , does it have crown store Senche Mount ? I don't like walking . Takes too long to finish Grocery Questline .

I dont think you can finish that questline. It's one of those Repeatable quests.

AnthragonVangor

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

63 pages - for and against.

lots of speculation.... 'statistics' based on speculation. opinions dressed up as 'facts' and all that drama.

ah the internet..... doncha just love it?

It's not only opinions, it's also experience people have made with similar games and similar methods. And in my opinion it's nothing wrong to tell people what e.g. lottery box systems may look like. And as you can see people have an interest in nt let this happening like those "worse" examples existing.

Discussing something that's maybe still speculation shows that there are people who won't walk the same road.

For me..as far as lottery boxes are confirmed without giving the option to buy it in crown store I will be out of this game. I stopped playing TESO for one year and came back. And it will no problem to stop playing it again.

Lysette wrote: »

Maybe this is a thing like with children and the hot plate - you can tell them as often as you want, that it is a bad idea to touch the hot plate and get burnt - but they will not listen to that, they will have to actually touch the plate and suffer the burn to learn something. Considering this, maybe it has to be handled exactly like this - maybe we should let ZOS just do it and let those 30%, who embrace those boxes, get terribly burnt (in their wallet) - maybe they just need to feel the pain and the damage before they can grasp it.

Can we actually help it?- Maybe it is possible to achieve a service interruption in germany and get the EU servers shut down for a while. Problem is, it does not just effect ZOS, it will hurt all the many players who are on this server. As much as I would like to throw sand in the gearbox of ZOS to make them think about the matter, it is a problem for me to actually initiate this, knowing that I might help a minority with it, but at the same time hit a majority instead. The cause might be just and morally and ethically good, but the actual effects are not fair to anyone. This is the terrible truth - if one goes against this, it will mostly hit innocent people and those, who are really evil will get away just by moving the servers abroad.

The only thing left is the Ghandi method - refuse to give them what they desire most - our money and our support.

I hope that maybe our German law or any other law can stop this kind of method.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

AnthragonVangor wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

63 pages - for and against.

lots of speculation.... 'statistics' based on speculation. opinions dressed up as 'facts' and all that drama.

ah the internet..... doncha just love it?

It's not only opinions, it's also experience people have made with similar games and similar methods. And in my opinion it's nothing wrong to tell people what e.g. lottery box systems may look like. And as you can see people have an interest in nt let this happening like those "worse" examples existing.

Discussing something that's maybe still speculation shows that there are people who won't walk the same road.

For me..as far as lottery boxes are confirmed without giving the option to buy it in crown store I will be out of this game. I stopped playing TESO for one year and came back. And it will no problem to stop playing it again.

Lysette wrote: »

Maybe this is a thing like with children and the hot plate - you can tell them as often as you want, that it is a bad idea to touch the hot plate and get burnt - but they will not listen to that, they will have to actually touch the plate and suffer the burn to learn something. Considering this, maybe it has to be handled exactly like this - maybe we should let ZOS just do it and let those 30%, who embrace those boxes, get terribly burnt (in their wallet) - maybe they just need to feel the pain and the damage before they can grasp it.

Can we actually help it?- Maybe it is possible to achieve a service interruption in germany and get the EU servers shut down for a while. Problem is, it does not just effect ZOS, it will hurt all the many players who are on this server. As much as I would like to throw sand in the gearbox of ZOS to make them think about the matter, it is a problem for me to actually initiate this, knowing that I might help a minority with it, but at the same time hit a majority instead. The cause might be just and morally and ethically good, but the actual effects are not fair to anyone. This is the terrible truth - if one goes against this, it will mostly hit innocent people and those, who are really evil will get away just by moving the servers abroad.

The only thing left is the Ghandi method - refuse to give them what they desire most - our money and our support.

I hope that maybe our German law or any other law can stop this kind of method.

it is only opinions.

one of the things i like about eso is the way things are done differently to other games. the ui for instance is not cluttered up. it allows me to play first person. i can remap all the controls anyway i like. the crafting system is different to any other game i have played. the combat mechanics are different. i could go on but i am hoping you get the point.

eso is different. zos have done things differently...... so how do you know that they won't handle the loot box differently?

note: speculation based on experience of other games does not count as knowledge.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Enodoc wrote: »

So, 400 Crowns per box. What costs 400 Crowns now, or has cost 400 Crowns in the past?

• 10x each discontinued single-attribute food/drink
• 10x Fortifying Meal
• 10x Refreshing Drink
• 160x Lethal Poison
• 40x each discontinued single-attribute potion
• 20x Tri-Restoration Potion
• 10x Repair Kit
• 10x Soul Gem
• Hats
• 4x Dye Stamps
• Most Domestic pets

A "fair purchase", then, for 400 Crowns, would have to include equivalent value to this. So the "guaranteed consumables" in each box must be at least one of these rows or equivalent value; for example, 10 tri-pots and 5 soul gems.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

JahneeO wrote: »

Holy Good God people.

I have never seen such outrage over something sold in a game. All this talk about business models and this game did this and then that happened, and what about those with gambling problems, what should we do?

It's. A. Game.
A good game. And one, need I remind you, that you can play for as long as you would like without ever entering the crown store.

Think rationally for a second, does a recovering alcoholic not go into a supermarket because they have a beer aisle?
No.
They still shop there because 85% of the store is food. Food is good.

If what ZoS is doing with their game is just something you can't take anymore? Do me a favor: Go take a walk, get outside and breathe some fresh air.
ESO is a game, your life is your life.

Life is good.

This outside you speak of , does it have crown store Senche Mount ? I don't like walking . Takes too long to finish Grocery Questline .

I dont think you can finish that questline. It's one of those Repeatable quests.

see now.... this is not opinions this is some sound research. i made the point a few pages back that if the contents of the lotto box have equal or higher value to the cost of the box then you are making a blind purchase rather than gambling. i.e. you would get at least your monies worth and, if lady luck smiles, you may get that mount or costume that, apparently, your life would not be complete without.

i hasten to add.... the blind purchase is speculation on my part.

you may say 'but i don't want those things' a valid response and your course of action is obvious.

i will now do the short walk to the beach for a swim quest. it's repeatable.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

starkerealm wrote: »

They closed the poll with unanimous opposition, in favor of the one that didn't have a "no, I'm not doing that." So, that should tell you exactly how much they value our opinions.

You can still vote in that poll, though. They only locked it. They did not delete it.

starkerealm wrote: »

A little over a year ago, the data miners came back with, "hey, there's a skeletal guar, skeletal bear, skeletal senche, and skeletal horse," in the works. You can dig around and find this if you want. The earliest references I can find off hand date back to early July 2015. Though it might have been mined in late June.

Much more recently, we've gotten datamined mount sets called "wild hunt," (think Spriggan style) and " attronach" (stone-ish looking with lightning cores). Again, same set up, four variants.

These are distinct, because (to the best of my knowledge) no other mount sets like this have been released or announced, where the same mount aesthetic spread across four different mount types.

So, here's the only leap. One of the videos apparently identified the skeletal mounts as the first set of prize tier mounts. (I didn't catch this, so if you want to find the source of that claim and ask them what they're basing that on, feel free.) If true, then that means the lock boxes were already in the works 15 months ago.

Which makes sense, because the lag between Hew's Bane, Orsinium was close to that, and we're still waiting on stuff like Murkmire.

But, it also means, the boxes were in development when Gina made that post, which if reddit is to be believed was sometime in late July or August, going by their "a year ago" timestamp.

Thanks. I knew about the unreleased mounts. I do not think there is a guaranteed link between the boxes and these things.

ZOS is working on projects in parallel. They have multiple teams working on DLC and systems content. They have at least three working on DLC. One Tamriel is likely being done by the team that did Thieves Guild.

Orsinium was released as the 4Q2015 DLC. Hew's Bane was the 1Q2016 DLC. How do you get 15 months between them? Does not matter, they were done by different teams.

We don't know when they got the idea of the Lucky Boxes, but we cannot say that it started before Gina made her statement. As a matter of fact, because of Gina's statement, it is safe to assume it was after.

No one knows why they are holding Murkmire. Vvardenfell probably started after Murkmire.

xRIVALENx

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Please never add random boxes to this game....

petraeus1

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

So, 400 Crowns per box. What costs 400 Crowns now, or has cost 400 Crowns in the past?

• 10x each discontinued single-attribute food/drink
• 10x Fortifying Meal
• 10x Refreshing Drink
• 160x Lethal Poison
• 40x each discontinued single-attribute potion
• 20x Tri-Restoration Potion
• 10x Repair Kit
• 10x Soul Gem
• Hats
• 4x Dye Stamps
• Most Domestic pets

A "fair purchase", then, for 400 Crowns, would have to include equivalent value to this. So the "guaranteed consumables" in each box must be at least one of these rows or equivalent value; for example, 10 tri-pots and 5 soul gems.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

JahneeO wrote: »

Holy Good God people.

I have never seen such outrage over something sold in a game. All this talk about business models and this game did this and then that happened, and what about those with gambling problems, what should we do?

It's. A. Game.
A good game. And one, need I remind you, that you can play for as long as you would like without ever entering the crown store.

Think rationally for a second, does a recovering alcoholic not go into a supermarket because they have a beer aisle?
No.
They still shop there because 85% of the store is food. Food is good.

If what ZoS is doing with their game is just something you can't take anymore? Do me a favor: Go take a walk, get outside and breathe some fresh air.
ESO is a game, your life is your life.

Life is good.

This outside you speak of , does it have crown store Senche Mount ? I don't like walking . Takes too long to finish Grocery Questline .

I dont think you can finish that questline. It's one of those Repeatable quests.

see now.... this is not opinions this is some sound research. i made the point a few pages back that if the contents of the lotto box have equal or higher value to the cost of the box then you are making a blind purchase rather than gambling. i.e. you would get at least your monies worth and, if lady luck smiles, you may get that mount or costume that, apparently, your life would not be complete without.

i hasten to add.... the blind purchase is speculation on my part.

you may say 'but i don't want those things' a valid response and your course of action is obvious.

i will now do the short walk to the beach for a swim quest. it's repeatable.

Regardless of speculation or facts, it's the difference between selling stuff straight and not selling stuff straight.

Confronting your customers, who have spent and are willing to spend money on your products, with the answer: 'Nah, we'd rather you gamble for it, that's more profitable for us', is rather nasty.

It's of course a matter of trust as to how these are going to be implemented, but it seems not many have that trust, for two reasons:

1) Other games almost always made them exceedingly crappy to deal with, with bad percentages and a lot of exclusive desireables.
2) If ZOS sells ugly costumes for 2000 Crowns, name change for 2500 Crowns and crappy bankers for 5000 Crowns, as well as putting the entire barber shop in the Crown Store despite hundreds of suggestions for immersive implementations, on what basis then should I expect these gamble boxes to be any good?

Edit: For the record, I dislike gamble boxes in any implementation, in any game.

elvenmad

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

So, 400 Crowns per box. What costs 400 Crowns now, or has cost 400 Crowns in the past?

• 10x each discontinued single-attribute food/drink
• 10x Fortifying Meal
• 10x Refreshing Drink
• 160x Lethal Poison
• 40x each discontinued single-attribute potion
• 20x Tri-Restoration Potion
• 10x Repair Kit
• 10x Soul Gem
• Hats
• 4x Dye Stamps
• Most Domestic pets

A "fair purchase", then, for 400 Crowns, would have to include equivalent value to this. So the "guaranteed consumables" in each box must be at least one of these rows or equivalent value; for example, 10 tri-pots and 5 soul gems.

Games of chance, and gambling don't quite work like that, nothing is ever fair in chance

First off all clearly in the Tavern video he clearly says 'your guaranteed a consumable'... 'a' plural as in one, not a pack or bundle.

And the more you look into this 'our' system and compare to other games loot box system the worse it looks,

first yes, your guaranteed 'a' consumable,

If you get something 'special' 'rare' etc it gets put automatically into your collections whether you want it or not you have no choice. other games or most of them you can sell the items including mounts costumes etc, Tera for example

everything you get goes into your inventory, it is bound and you can not sell it even to a merchant NPC, other games you can at least vendor items

All other games there are ways even if you get things you dont want to get at least some game gold back and at least you can do something with it.

Our version you get what your given whether you want it or not and either have to use it or destroy it

I mean com'on, you don't buy a lottery ticket for $1 and if you don't win you get your money back.....do you.....that's the chance, that's the gamble. you have a 'chance' to get something good or nothing, that's how it works

RinaldoGandolphi

No, don't ever add these into the game.

What are my thoughts on the RNG boxes being added to the Crown Store?

For me personally, its the end of the road for my time here.

ESO was my 1st MMO and will be my last MMO. The reason i never played MMO prior to this is because they all do what ZOS is been doing with ESO the past year, which is focusing most of their efforts on reaching into your wallet instead of focusing their efforts on delivery a quality product.

One Tamriel is the death of the game completely. It started with the Imperial Edition, but One Tamriel kills it completely.

Why One Tamriel is bad

Best example I can give is ask yourself a question. The Aldmeri Dominion and their ENTIRE CAUSE is summed up by Queen Ayrenn as:

I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims.

The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake.

Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines.

Stand with us.

-Queen Ayrenn

The ENTIRE PURPOSE of the Dominion was to ensure a man did not get the Ruby Throne....yet the Aldermi Dominion crowns Redguards, Bretons, Nords, and Imperials everyday....Their entire cause has been cut off at the knees completely with the play any race any faction, and now One Tamriel? they might as well just hand all their territory over to their enemies...what are they even fighting for?

This makes as much sense as the Stormcloaks crowning a Thalmor Justiciar as High King of Skyrim.

Now with One Tamriel you will have Ebonheart Pact, Daggerfall Covenant soldiers(players) running around their zones and none of their people will even care about their enemy they are fighting a war with running around their country. Its the same with DC and EP, they might as well cede their territory to their enemies and pack up shop.

the Cadwell Silver and Gold made sense because it was Merida kinda allowing you to see what would happen if you were on the otherside, but you were not actually there...its kinda like an illusion of sorts....One Tamriel however is no illusion or work of Daedric princes, its actually enemy soldiers occupying countries that in TES lore would simply never allow that....

The Nords for example don't greet invasions with pitchers of mead...Ask the Akaviri that were later defeated at Pale Pass by Remen how the Nords greet invasions of enemies into their country.....


What made TES popular and how did they get where they are today

The Story and free form open world game play. Thats what made TES great. Back in 1994 The Elder Scrolls Arena was one of the 1st games I bought for my 1st computer I was able to afford after saving up enough money working to buy one.

Every successive game improved on the previous and they really hit their stride with Morriwind and Oblivion both being great in their own ways, but also each doing a few things better then the other. Skyrim was their really big push, and it sacrificed some of the character depth in return for different game play aspects.

The point is, with TES:

THE STORY IS EVERYTHING!!!!!!

Thats what got them to the main stream.....

Defeating Jagar Tharn and Ending the Imperial Simulacrum (Arena)
The player playing out 1 of 6 possible endings (Daggerfall)
Becoming The Nerevarine and defeating Dagoth Ur (Morrowind)
Becoming the Champion of Cyrodiil and ending the Oblivion Crisis(Oblivion)
Being the Last Dragonborn and defeating Alduin(Skyrim)

The story always has been everything and ZOS is destroying what little lore credibility they had left with this....its one thing to change lore slightly for the sake of a better games, its a whole different matter to toss out what little lore credibilty you had left to make the game even worse. The entire 3 Banners War, the whole reason the 3 factions are even fighting over Cyrodiil will be tossed out completely with One Tamriel....your left with a world that makes no sense at all, and a story that makes no sense at all either.

RNG Boxes

the RNG boxes are simply a money making thing plain and simple. The House always wins. Those RNG boxes are designed wholly that you will be required to purchase multiple ones before you get the item you want. You will be looking at a 1.5-3% chance of getting X item and the other items will have a very high chance, they will then put exclusive mounts or whatever other cosmetic item they know demand will be high for, and you will have to open your wallet multiple times to have a reasonable chance to get one, and in the end there is no guarantee you will ever get what your after.

Its one thing to grind Telvar or AP for lockboxes with random chance...its a whole different matter entirely to put such a system in the Crown store costing real money for the same kind of RNG chance....

Folks saying it won effect me if I don't buy them? Yes it most certainly will...I will see these exclusive game mounts in the world riding around. They most certainly will effect the game world I am playing in with their presence there so they will most certainly have an impact.

Conclusion

Simply put, this update is the beginning of the end of a game I would like to play. The game is now on a road that its no longer following TES style of play and is becoming more and more like all the other terrible F2p and B2p MMO's i never had any interest in to begin with. This is another example of the devs being so far out of touch with their community that we are not even playing in the same city let alone same ballpark....

look at the poll on AOE caps

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/88049/do-you-think-there-should-be-an-aoe-cap/p1

over 4000 votes with 87% voting no to AOE caps and they put them in the game anyway which is why PVP is a zergfest because only the 1st 6 targets take full damage so why wouldn't run in large zergballs...see Chuck Norris, Pact Miltia, etc...if that doesn't show how out of touch they are, I don't know what to tell you.


At the end of the day, if your not happy with the direction of the game, then you need to put on your big boy or big girl pants and walk away taking your money with it....this is a decision you need to make on your own...words themselves change nothing, but actions do.....the ball is in the communities court....im just one man, I made my decision...what decision you make is up to you....

just remember

You will always get what you always got if you always do what you have always done.

Good luck

Abeille

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

@RinaldoGandolphi to be fair, that bit about the Dominion didn't make it into the game and is actually how Raz describes the Veiled Heritance instead. There are plenty of human NPCs in Dominion territory, the ARAA perk doesn't hurt the lore; this is the first Dominion, not the third (Skyrim's Dominion) and they are completely different. Also, according to the Dominion story line, it doesn't matter who gets crowned in Cyrodiil because Ayrenn is the de facto Empress. The site was never updated to reflect it, however.

Easily_Lost

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

I might get this Reply removed, but so be it. I guess most of the people that say they don't line the Crown Boxes is that they are/worry about gambling addicts ( from what I have read ), I understand that ( I am not a gambling addict, but have been told that I am an alcoholic, so I don't take a drink ). Anyway back to what I want to say: do you live in states ( in US ) on in countries that have lottery's ( also you are legal age ), if so, Do you buy excessive amount if lottery tickets. Probably not. So way are these so bad. If you don't like the idea then DON'T BUY THEM,

That's all I have to say. And the words of Mick Foley ( WWE former wrestler ): HAVE A GOOD DAY.

ADarklore

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Enodoc wrote: »

So, 400 Crowns per box. What costs 400 Crowns now, or has cost 400 Crowns in the past?

• 10x each discontinued single-attribute food/drink
• 10x Fortifying Meal
• 10x Refreshing Drink
• 160x Lethal Poison
• 40x each discontinued single-attribute potion
• 20x Tri-Restoration Potion
• 10x Repair Kit
• 10x Soul Gem
• Hats
• 4x Dye Stamps
• Most Domestic pets

A "fair purchase", then, for 400 Crowns, would have to include equivalent value to this. So the "guaranteed consumables" in each box must be at least one of these rows or equivalent value; for example, 10 tri-pots and 5 soul gems.

The problem is, MOST people would just buy these things if they wanted them. Chances are, they are going to offer things that nobody wants/uses anyway... so in effect this 'fair purchase' would be unfair because they are items that we don't want and wouldn't use anyway. So in the end, for 400 Crowns, we get NOTHING we want is how it could end up.

ADarklore

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

So here we are, 63 pages with almost 1000 players voting, and still 66% of players are saying NO! And still NO WORD from ZOS on the subject at all. I think this speaks volumes about how much they actually LISTEN to their players.

Neirymn

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

CROWN CRATES

Toward the end of November, we'll be giving you a chance to receive some very special items with the introduction of Crown Crates. These Crates, available in the Crown Store for just 400 crowns, will contain a randomized selection of useful consumables, and offer a chance to obtain rare and unique cosmetic items or mounts, including some previously-retired mounts, costumes, pets, and limited-time offers that are no longer available in the Crown Store. Crates will have different themes throughout the year, giving you the chance to obtain new, extremely rare items.

In the event you receive a mount, pet, costume or personality that you already own, you'll be awarded special Crown Gems in its place. These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

If I understand this right, it means that some items you might have gambled for by buying crown crates will be removed before you obtained it if you were unlucky enough to not get it before the Crown Crate season we're currently in ends?

I am starting to dislike this crown crates exclusive items idea... I might not even buy one of them and save all my crowns for what I'm 100% sure I will get from the crown store. I am still keeping my wait and see stance for now, I can't wait to see how it really works if it's live on the PTS next week.

Garldeen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

hagermanj wrote: »

I might get this Reply removed, but so be it. I guess most of the people that say they don't line the Crown Boxes is that they are/worry about gambling addicts ( from what I have read ), I understand that ( I am not a gambling addict, but have been told that I am an alcoholic, so I don't take a drink ). Anyway back to what I want to say: do you live in states ( in US ) on in countries that have lottery's ( also you are legal age ), if so, Do you buy excessive amount if lottery tickets. Probably not. So way are these so bad. If you don't like the idea then DON'T BUY THEM,

That's all I have to say. And the words of Mick Foley ( WWE former wrestler ): HAVE A GOOD DAY.

I don't buy excessive (or any) lottery tickets, however, I would be uncomfortable to be with people spending a lot of money that they often cannot afford, in the hope that they will win a life changing amount. Their life does change, but normally for the worse.

Regardless of potential issues people have with addiction, the major issue here is exploiting customer's wallets. People want x mount, they are happy to pay xxx crowns for said mount. No one is arguing over this. However, to make people have to buy random boxes and potentially spend xxxxxxx crowns for the mount is the issue. People want to buy specific items for a specific price. They can then budget for it. They do not want to be in a situation where they have no idea how much a mount will cost them, or even any idea if they will actually get it.

I go on itunes to buy a certain album for £10. I want that album so I buy it. I don't want to go to Itunes and give them £3 and there is a 1/1,000 chance I will get the album I want. I might save money but the maths says it is 999 times more likely I will not get what I am looking for.

Cazzy

No, don't ever add these into the game.

So after the article was released I slept on it and had a good think this morning too. I won't leave the game. I've got too many friends here and that's the most important reason for me personally not to go. I won't be buying lock boxes though and will still want to play on PC with @MissBizz and Co.

I will also keep fighting for them to change this or make it more accesible for people who don't want to gamble.

ragespell

No, don't ever add these into the game.

uzi wrote: »

Gotta say, I have mixed feelings about this. Initially, I regarded this as a negative thing and thought rng boxes are just plain wrong to add into a MMO. Some poor guy probably missed their limited polar bear/ frost horse from their collection is blindly going to spend 500 EUR to get it.

But then I thought maybe if the price of the rng box was low enough and the chance to get a mount was relatively high enough, this could be ok so that you'd only have to spend around 40-50 EUR to get the limited mount you were looking for. This presents another problem, however. Eventually the guy buying rng boxes would have WAY more stuff for his money than the guy who originally bought the limited mount when it was truly limited.

I've come up with a solution though. Add multiple, different rng boxes, so that each COULD contain one of 1-3 different limited mounts, so that people would still have to farm but at least they didn't have to burn the whole forest down but instead 1/3 or 1/4 of the forest to find the mount they were looking for.

There isn't any chance that what you hope will happens: if the average price of mount in boxes would be around 4000 crows, they will simply sell them in the store.

Boxes are used to make people pay a price they would never spend upfront. In my opinion rare mount will cost as much as few hundreds dollars on average.
The second reason to keep rare items rare, is to not lower their value: if everybody and his mother would run around with the "black unicorn of the seven seals", in little to no time nobody would want it anymore.

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

ADarklore wrote: »

So here we are, 63 pages with almost 1000 players voting, and still 66% of players are saying NO! And still NO WORD from ZOS on the subject at all. I think this speaks volumes about how much they actually LISTEN to their players.

No word, and announcements going forward as planned.

Make no mistake, it's -allready- driving players away from the game, I spend less time on my PC and more time on my Xbox as the days go by. Zenimax does not care. Zenimax needs short term cash. Zenimax could intentionally be trying to shut this game down for all we know, who knows?

Then again as someone who sat here and watched all the tank nerfs proceed as planned....welcome to the cardinal rule of MMO's. The only place where they WANT your feedback is bugfixes. Everywhere else, -stay silent-.

clayandaudrey_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

ADarklore wrote: »

So here we are, 63 pages with almost 1000 players voting, and still 66% of players are saying NO! And still NO WORD from ZOS on the subject at all. I think this speaks volumes about how much they actually LISTEN to their players.

Lmao. Are you kidding me??? The stickied thread at the top of the forum created by ZOS about cheating show they do not listen. That is game breaking this is not. They are not going to respond to this. Just announce when it goes live.

RinaldoGandolphi

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Cazzy wrote: »

So after the article was released I slept on it and had a good think this morning too. I won't leave the game. I've got too many friends here and that's the most important reason for me personally not to go. I won't be buying lock boxes though and will still want to play on PC with @MissBizz and Co.

I will also keep fighting for them to change this or make it more accesible for people who don't want to gamble.

@Cazzy I think your great but this right here is EXACTLY why they won't listen and things will never change.

Your just willingly swallowing their poop sandwich and this is what they are counting on. Words mean and do very little...just look at Washington over the last 16 years...they know if they change it or not you will still:

• play the game
• buy items from the Crown store
• pay a sub

so there is no incentive for them to change.

A person threatening or refusing to pay for something they don't like is no more unethical then a company trying to sell you a product you don't like...it works both ways which is the foundation of free market enterprise.

The only way to get them to back off this will be by changing your behavior by witholding your money and refusing to support(play) I know that is hard for some people, but its only going to change if enough people do it.

Im not trying to bag on you in anyway. Its just the reality of the situation....The only way to influence a company is to alter their bottom line....When a Car manufacturer puts out a new years model of a car and it don't sell like the previous year, they change what customers don't like in the next years model....they wouldn't make these changes unless people refused to buy the previous year model....the only way to tell the suits upstairs your not happy is by witholding money...when the quartly earnings report comes in and they see numbers down, then they will really turn an eyebrow this way and fix things back to how they were....they won't do that as long as you continue to pay in some fashion.....why would they...long as the money keeps rolling in it doesn;t matter....its only when revenue decreases that things get changed....

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

So here we are, 63 pages with almost 1000 players voting, and still 66% of players are saying NO! And still NO WORD from ZOS on the subject at all. I think this speaks volumes about how much they actually LISTEN to their players.

Lmao. Are you kidding me??? The stickied thread at the top of the forum created by ZOS about cheating show they do not listen. That is game breaking this is not. They are not going to respond to this. Just announce when it goes live.

just because they don't respond does not mean they aren't listening...

clayandaudrey_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

So after the article was released I slept on it and had a good think this morning too. I won't leave the game. I've got too many friends here and that's the most important reason for me personally not to go. I won't be buying lock boxes though and will still want to play on PC with @MissBizz and Co.

I will also keep fighting for them to change this or make it more accesible for people who don't want to gamble.

@Cazzy I think your great but this right here is EXACTLY why they won't listen and things will never change.

Your just willingly swallowing their poop sandwich and this is what they are counting on. Words mean and do very little...just look at Washington over the last 16 years...they know if they change it or not you will still:

• play the game
• buy items from the Crown store
• pay a sub

so there is no incentive for them to change.

A person threatening or refusing to pay for something they don't like is no more unethical then a company trying to sell you a product you don't like...it works both ways which is the foundation of free market enterprise.

The only way to get them to back off this will be by changing your behavior by witholding your money and refusing to support(play) I know that is hard for some people, but its only going to change if enough people do it.

Im not trying to bag on you in anyway. Its just the reality of the situation....The only way to influence a company is to alter their bottom line....When a Car manufacturer puts out a new years model of a car and it don't sell like the previous year, they change what customers don't like in the next years model....they wouldn't make these changes unless people refused to buy the previous year model....the only way to tell the suits upstairs your not happy is by witholding money...when the quartly earnings report comes in and they see numbers down, then they will really turn an eyebrow this way and fix things back to how they were....they won't do that as long as you continue to pay in some fashion.....why would they...long as the money keeps rolling in it doesn;t matter....its only when revenue decreases that things get changed....

Its the sheep mentality I alluded to in an earlier post in this thread.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

senhavran wrote: »

CROWN CRATES

Toward the end of November, we'll be giving you a chance to receive some very special items with the introduction of Crown Crates. These Crates, available in the Crown Store for just 400 crowns, will contain a randomized selection of useful consumables, and offer a chance to obtain rare and unique cosmetic items or mounts, including some previously-retired mounts, costumes, pets, and limited-time offers that are no longer available in the Crown Store. Crates will have different themes throughout the year, giving you the chance to obtain new, extremely rare items.

In the event you receive a mount, pet, costume or personality that you already own, you'll be awarded special Crown Gems in its place. These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

If I understand this right, it means that some items you might have gambled for by buying crown crates will be removed before you obtained it if you were unlucky enough to not get it before the Crown Crate season we're currently in ends?

I am starting to dislike this crown crates exclusive items idea... I might not even buy one of them and save all my crowns for what I'm 100% sure I will get from the crown store. I am still keeping my wait and see stance for now, I can't wait to see how it really works if it's live on the PTS next week.

i've gone the other way.... initially i had no intention of buying them but now i think i will so i can see for myself what the fuss is about.