What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

ADarklore

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

The problem I see with this move to RNG boxes is, that the temptation for ZOS is high to focus on exclusive items for the boxes instead to bring large DLCs - why would they bother with a large DLC, which they might be able to sell for 4000 crowns, if they can just sell any item they had so far - from 400 crowns to 4500 crowns, for an average price of 8000 crowns via those boxes - (I take the numbers from that example I made above, based on a 5% chance to win something special per box) - even with a "generous" win chance, this would be so much better profit for ZOS than doing actual quality content - and this is what is extremely worrisome seen from a gameplay perspective. The game might extremely suffer from those boxes.

I believe they've stated before in an old live episode that there are distinct teams responsible for different things. By committing to these boxes they are seeing the profit potential and part of that is making the vehicle extremely easy for them to roll out new items. They aren't going to put a system in place that is going to be a further ongoing investment or drain on an already limited workforce. As somebody else stated, they're just reskins.

NateAssassin wrote: »

This game will attract the worst type of cancer known to man: CS:GO and TF2 players. That's what I am worried about.

I could be wrong, but I don't see the implementation of these boxes as a reason for swarms of new players to enter the game. Comparing this game to others like those you mentioned and SWTOR based solely on this one item becoming available is a little over the top, especially when this is just cosmetic.

Well does this 'somebody' speak for ZOS? Because as far as we know, 'mounts' may not be the only thing added as an EXCLUSIVE to these lottery boxes. Keep in mind there are still a TON of items that have been on PTS months ago that still have not arrived in the Crown Store that are potential BAIT for these boxes. That is my concern. That they are going to use the PTS as a means of advertising their lotto-only items.

AnthragonVangor

No, don't ever add these into the game.

It seems to me that some people don't see the difference between, buying something or having the CHANCE of gaining an item.

Just because "gems" cost less, than buying it directly doesn't give me the guarantee to get the item.

And as far as I could read this out of some posts...yes, there are 65% (+/- 3%) who don't like lottery boxes. But read between the lines of those who are already saying :"I'll give it a try".

You want to be different than Blizzard and other companies?

Then be strong and keep counting on those who like or accept what you are doing now.

You want that people sing their songs in the taverns about you, like you were heroes?

Then stay brave against Blizzards and other "big ones". Put your energy in creating new places we can dive in. New places and stories we can be a part of together. You as creator and us (well I can speak minimum for myself) as players. That is what can make you immortal.

It would be interesting to see some facts in form of statistics about games that implemented lottery boxes (especially MMOs) and how the population rose/sank.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

59 pages and still NOTHING from ZOS even acknowledging the results of this thread! Instead we get the 'recap' announcement which includes references to the 'lottery boxes'. Yeah, ZOS listens to their players... RIGHT. Apparently only when it's financially convenient to 'listen'.

My guess is, they will not listen - I for one have already closed this chapter, ESO is no longer that game which I can enjoy. I will still login from time to time to do sightseeing - I wanted to see Tamriel and I will do this - and when I have seen enough and my ESO+ runs out, I will turn away from this game and never look back - Zenimax games are off limits for me then, no TES VI, nor any Bethesda game, no Arcane game nor any game coming from the Zenimax group - nothing like this anymore - I will not support this kind of business model with my money.

Such a dramatic exit. Almost as good as the last scene from "Gone with the Wind" I could almost hear the sad background music playing.

Well, it creeps into Bethesda games as well - Fallout Shelter has a cash shop selling lunchboxes, which are random crates as well. As much as I liked Bethesda games so far, I won't buy a new one from them - it will not make an impact on Zenimax of course, but it will be good for my own sake. I walked away from other games before, it will not be hard at all. It is more like getting rid of a bad partner - it feels good to get rid of it, when you feel it is not doing you any good to continue with it.

Edit: this said, my ESO+ is running out August 2017 - so plenty of time to see the drama unfold - and then "gone with the wind" or better like the end scene in "Casablanca".

Recremen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

why not sell directly? because there are plenty of fools out there.

Look, let's not pretend like there wouldn't be major outraged if Zenimax started selling previously time-limites mounts as reoccurring items in the crown store. The reason me and others are excited about this system is that it seems like a good compromise for keeping these mounts rare, while still giving people a chance at obtaining them.

Could anyone suggest a system that wouldn't upset people?

There would be way less outrage balanced by way more gratitude when compared to this system. A lot of us with "limited time" items didn't get them because they were going to be rare, we got them because they look nice. I was delighted to hear that other people were going to be able to buy the long-lost Senche mounts (of which I own all of them), only to be completely heartbroken when I found out they WEREN'T actually able to buy them, they could only buy a gambling service with a chance to win them. How messed up is that?

I agree that there's no system that wouldn't upset at least some people, but we're talking totally different scales of outrage and a completely one-sided scale of gratitude. Some people would be upset if "limited time" offers came back, but a huge number of people would be happy, too. Under the gambling box system, though, some people are going to be upset because the limited time offer items will be back, but nobody is especially excited about it because everyone knows you're extremely unlikely to get one, let alone one you want, AND a bunch of people are upset that there's any gambling to begin with.

Hand_Bacon

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

AnthragonVangor wrote: »

It seems to me that some people don't see the difference between, buying something or having the CHANCE of gaining an item.

You are buying something, random loot. You will never get zero items in your box. Some items are just more rare.

Recremen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

AnthragonVangor wrote: »

It seems to me that some people don't see the difference between, buying something or having the CHANCE of gaining an item.

You are buying something, random loot. You will never get zero items in your box. Some items are just more rare.

Most of the items in the gambling boxes are going to be completely useless for the players receiving them, how can that possibly be construed as worthwhile? It's gambling, plain and simple. It's garbage.

Wow

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

AnthragonVangor wrote: »

It seems to me that some people don't see the difference between, buying something or having the CHANCE of gaining an item.

You are buying something, random loot. You will never get zero items in your box. Some items are just more rare.

You buy those Lootboxes for crap consumables or rare cosmetics? If you buy those Lootboxes for rare cosmetics, then the chance you get zero items in your box is far more than zero.

Hand_Bacon

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

I'm sorry, all apologies. They are SELLING random loot.

What you think you're buying is, I guess, up to you. Legally, however, it is not gambling.

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I can't believe companies can rip people off, and be praised for it. They could sell the old mounts again and keep selling new ones in the store. They are doing this to make massive profits from a small group of players. The player base will diminish, but their profits will increase. This isn't being implemented as a service to the player, it's time to recognize that.

If we are willing to accept and support this, then companies will take advantage of that. This is happening throughout the gaming industry and will continue as long as it works.

Esquire1980g_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

ZOS' decision has been made with the official announment.

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2016/08/23/gamescom-2016-recap-update-12-and-one-tamriel

The only decision left is now up to you.

elvenmad

No, don't ever add these into the game.

They already know themselves the chance for you to get what you actually want from these boxes is very very unlikely to the point they even designed and developed another whole new system to cater for it, the Crown Gems and even then you will only be able to get what you wanted 'if' it is available in that limited rotation of the Crown Gem store.
sorry but the odds to get what you want at that time just get lower and lower the more you look into this whole loot crate system...its just a bottomless pit of nothing....oh but don't feel disappointed your guaranteed a consumable


I hate rng boxes and what they do, but I have to admit I am looking forward to their inevitable arrival Its like watching a Train wreck I know whats coming.....bbbbbbbbut I just can't take my eyes off it.

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

The problem I see with this move to RNG boxes is, that the temptation for ZOS is high to focus on exclusive items for the boxes instead to bring large DLCs - why would they bother with a large DLC, which they might be able to sell for 4000 crowns, if they can just sell any item they had so far - from 400 crowns to 4500 crowns, for an average price of 8000 crowns via those boxes - (I take the numbers from that example I made above, based on a 5% chance to win something special per box) - even with a "generous" win chance, this would be so much better profit for ZOS than doing actual quality content - and this is what is extremely worrisome seen from a gameplay perspective. The game might extremely suffer from those boxes.

I believe they've stated before in an old live episode that there are distinct teams responsible for different things. By committing to these boxes they are seeing the profit potential and part of that is making the vehicle extremely easy for them to roll out new items. They aren't going to put a system in place that is going to be a further ongoing investment or drain on an already limited workforce. As somebody else stated, they're just reskins.

Yeah, the problem is, when one of your teams is making vastly more money for the project than another one, it will change developmental priorities. You can't really prevent that. You can spend a little money making a reskin that will generate a lot of money off a couple consumers, or a lot developing a new zone which you'll get a little money a larger group of players.

Given lockboxes usually account for over 50% of a game's income... I think you can see why it would be in a company's "best interest" to shoot themselves in the foot and chance that whale.

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

59 pages and still NOTHING from ZOS even acknowledging the results of this thread! Instead we get the 'recap' announcement which includes references to the 'lottery boxes'. Yeah, ZOS listens to their players... RIGHT. Apparently only when it's financially convenient to 'listen'.

My guess is, they will not listen - I for one have already closed this chapter, ESO is no longer that game which I can enjoy. I will still login from time to time to do sightseeing - I wanted to see Tamriel and I will do this - and when I have seen enough and my ESO+ runs out, I will turn away from this game and never look back - Zenimax games are off limits for me then, no TES VI, nor any Bethesda game, no Arcane game nor any game coming from the Zenimax group - nothing like this anymore - I will not support this kind of business model with my money.

Here's the thing: this has been in the works for over a year now. Remember when the skeletal mounts were first datamined? Yeah, those are going to be the first round in these boxes now? So, when Gina said, "we have no plans to do lockboxes," what she really meant was, "we have no plans to do lockboxes even though we've got a team on them right now at this moment?"

Ugh.

Of course they're not going to listen. They've been planning this for at least a year and lying to our faces screen names about it.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

elvenmad wrote: »

They already know themselves the chance for you to get what you actually want from these boxes is very very unlikely to the point they even designed and developed another whole new system to cater for it, the Crown Gems and even then you will only be able to get what you wanted 'if' it is available in that limited rotation of the Crown Gem store.
sorry but the odds to get what you want at that time just get lower and lower the more you look into this whole loot crate system...its just a bottomless pit of nothing....oh but don't feel disappointed your guaranteed a consumable

Exactly this - the majority of those who use it, will be screwed over by this - it is an illusion they sell, but for most it will just stay an illusion which might at some point in time convert into disillusion, after they will have spent far too much money on it. Most people have no clue about how to calculate with probabilities and they will fall for this illusion to get something cheaper, while in fact they will have to pay a whole lot more for it - or even worse, for nothing of worth at all - a lot will just not get any special item, some others will get stuck with Crown Gems and never be able to get enough of those to get their dream item. For most it will not do any good.

SilentRaven1972

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Pig in a poke - The English colloquialisms such as turn out to be a pig in a poke or buy a pig in a poke mean that something is sold or bought without the buyer knowing its true nature or value, especially when buying without inspecting the item beforehand.

Bouldercleave

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Lysette wrote: »

elvenmad wrote: »

They already know themselves the chance for you to get what you actually want from these boxes is very very unlikely to the point they even designed and developed another whole new system to cater for it, the Crown Gems and even then you will only be able to get what you wanted 'if' it is available in that limited rotation of the Crown Gem store.
sorry but the odds to get what you want at that time just get lower and lower the more you look into this whole loot crate system...its just a bottomless pit of nothing....oh but don't feel disappointed your guaranteed a consumable

Exactly this - the majority of those who use it, will be screwed over by this - it is an illusion they sell, but for most it will just stay an illusion which might at some point in time convert into disillusion, after they will have spent far too much money on it. Most people have no clue about how to calculate with probabilities and they will fall for this illusion to get something cheaper, while in fact they will have to pay a whole lot more for it - or even worse, for nothing of worth at all - a lot will just not get any special item, some others will get stuck with Crown Gems and never be able to get enough of those to get their dream item. For most it will not do any good.

Wow, that almost sounds like....real life.

The_Undefined

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I don't understand the defeatist attitude here. Yes we absolutely can CHANGE how this comes into place. I haven't been apart of this community for long, but I have heard about how this community changed some development decisions with bans and what not. Not only that, this is honestly the first time in any online community I've actually seen a very strong unified playerbase against something instead of being apathetic and allowing this player hurting practice to continue.

An official response doesn't mean anything. They officially responded that servers were up and it took another 30mins to get online. Instead of resigning yourselves think of which battle you want to fight. I'm not fighting for these to never come into the game. There's good amount of players that seem to want this. So fair enough. I'm fighting for HOW they come into the game. There is a WIN / WIN situation in this mess.

You want to keep the senche mounts rare? Keep them in the lootboxes. I think it's fair (despite the fact I never even knew they were limited) to have missed out on that opportunity. Exclusive lootbox items should be rotated onto the crownstore for a limited time OR DON'T HAVE EXCLUSIVE loot box items and instead keep it only to previously retired Crown Store items. That sucks that we won't get a chance at old Crown Store items, but whatever. Without the loot boxes there wouldn't have been a chance anyways it seems. Imo, that's just ZOS missing out on a ton of sales, but they'd rather do this instead.

Those that want the loot boxes for 'fun,' you got them. Those that don't want to be trapped out of items behind a gamble wall, well we had our chance at it. WIN / WIN, and to top it off, ZOS makes their money either way.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

SilentRaven1972 wrote: »

Pig in a poke - The English colloquialisms such as turn out to be a pig in a poke or buy a pig in a poke mean that something is sold or bought without the buyer knowing its true nature or value, especially when buying without inspecting the item beforehand.

Interesting, the german idiom for that is "die Katze im Sack kaufen" - means "buying the cat in a sack" as well without any way to inspect it beforehand - so I have learnt another idiom now, nice - pig in a poke - I'll have to memorize this now.

Dromede

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I do not even have a clue what you mean by card game packs - I am not a gambler - the only card game I play is Qwen in Witcher 3 and not because I would like it, but to make people more likely to give me information and hints.

Hearthstone, Magic the Gathering, ESO's own card game, Pokemon to name a few. You buy packs of cards for real money and there is a chance for a rare or legendary like card, but most of the time there is just crap or cards you already have. I don't see that as any different from the RNG loot boxes. Most of the time you'll get crap, but there is always a chance.

As invested i am in ES series, i'm absolutely not interested in an ES card game - i even got an invitation to alpha only to ignore it.

This kind of games sounds terrible - it's a p2w straight up just by the nature of it. They already have a cash shop as far as i know - and so do most card games, no matter how good or bad they are.

I'm not particularly addictive, but i'd never play those games because they are an open trap. I used to though - but now i know better.

Even though i voted a technical yes in this poll, i see a very distinctive line on the rng box issue. The second they introduce something more significant than just a costume or a mount, i'm out. Because i'm a human, and there are things that i can resist (skins and mounts), and there are things that i can't (like an equivalent of a vma weapon in shiny box all without a grind to keep your character viable for endgame). I'm not planning to acquire addiction over a video game.

It's a game, and i'd like to play without a credit card in my hands.

P.S. eso+ and crown purchaser. No freeloading mentality here

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

They officially announced it, it's coming. I would say stick around to give them feedback, but given they ignored 60 pages of feedback...they do not lisen.

...I say pack it in and go, gentlemen. If I had anywhere TO go, I would be.

Wow

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Another add to my previous post:

First they said No plans for RNG Boxes.


Now they had plans for RNG Boxes.
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2016/08/23/gamescom-2016-recap-update-12-and-one-tamriel


First they said cosmetic and convenience items only.


Later in the future you can tell it by Yourself

Sure they said Lootboxes cosmetics only. That is their as for now. But you can't tell what is going happen in the future. The existence of Lootboxes itself is a step towards Pay to win. It has happened with past games in similar fashion, with same exact initial promises. What make you think it would be any different here?

Call me doom prophet or whatever you want. I'm just saying based on experience I had from past other MMORPG.

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Dromede wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I do not even have a clue what you mean by card game packs - I am not a gambler - the only card game I play is Qwen in Witcher 3 and not because I would like it, but to make people more likely to give me information and hints.

Hearthstone, Magic the Gathering, ESO's own card game, Pokemon to name a few. You buy packs of cards for real money and there is a chance for a rare or legendary like card, but most of the time there is just crap or cards you already have. I don't see that as any different from the RNG loot boxes. Most of the time you'll get crap, but there is always a chance.

As invested i am in ES series, i'm absolutely not interested in an ES card game - i even got an invitation to alpha only to ignore it.

This kind of games sounds terrible - it's a p2w straight up just by the nature of it. They already have a cash shop as far as i know - and so do most card games, no matter how good or bad they are.

I'm not particularly addictive, but i'd never play those games because they are an open trap. I used to though - but now i know better.

Even though i voted a technical yes in this poll, i see a very distinctive line on the rng box issue. The second they introduce something more significant than just a costume or a mount, i'm out. Because i'm a human, and there are things that i can resist (skins and mounts), and there are things that i can't (like an equivalent of a vma weapon in shiny box all without a grind to keep your character viable for endgame). I'm not planning to acquire addiction over a video game.

It's a game, and i'd like to play without a credit card in my hands.

P.S. eso+ and crown purchaser. No freeloading mentality here

The same, ironically. I literally have plastic boxes filled with physical cards under my desk at this moment. I've been a huge fan of CCGs for 20 years. I got the invite for Legends... and... kinda failed to have any interest in it.

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Wow wrote: »

Another add to my previous post:

First they said No plans for RNG Boxes.

Yeah, and the skeletal mounts were first datamined before that post was made. Meaning, the boxes were already in the works back then. She actually lied to us. I see how they can weasel out, she said, "locked" boxes, but they were lying.

ArtOfShred

Harken the end is nigh. After all the time I've invested in the game to have it end like this.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

starkerealm wrote: »

Dromede wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I do not even have a clue what you mean by card game packs - I am not a gambler - the only card game I play is Qwen in Witcher 3 and not because I would like it, but to make people more likely to give me information and hints.

Hearthstone, Magic the Gathering, ESO's own card game, Pokemon to name a few. You buy packs of cards for real money and there is a chance for a rare or legendary like card, but most of the time there is just crap or cards you already have. I don't see that as any different from the RNG loot boxes. Most of the time you'll get crap, but there is always a chance.

As invested i am in ES series, i'm absolutely not interested in an ES card game - i even got an invitation to alpha only to ignore it.

This kind of games sounds terrible - it's a p2w straight up just by the nature of it. They already have a cash shop as far as i know - and so do most card games, no matter how good or bad they are.

I'm not particularly addictive, but i'd never play those games because they are an open trap. I used to though - but now i know better.

Even though i voted a technical yes in this poll, i see a very distinctive line on the rng box issue. The second they introduce something more significant than just a costume or a mount, i'm out. Because i'm a human, and there are things that i can resist (skins and mounts), and there are things that i can't (like an equivalent of a vma weapon in shiny box all without a grind to keep your character viable for endgame). I'm not planning to acquire addiction over a video game.

It's a game, and i'd like to play without a credit card in my hands.

P.S. eso+ and crown purchaser. No freeloading mentality here

The same, ironically. I literally have plastic boxes filled with physical cards under my desk at this moment. I've been a huge fan of CCGs for 20 years. I got the invite for Legends... and... kinda failed to have any interest in it.

If I want to play a game like this, I fire up Witcher 3 and play a round of Qwen in an inn and good - I do not need to pay real money to have a game similar to those.

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

They officially announced it, it's coming. I would say stick around to give them feedback, but given they ignored 60 pages of feedback...they do not lisen.

...I say pack it in and go, gentlemen. If I had anywhere TO go, I would be.

I'm probably heading back to single player games. I might actually go back and finally finish a playthrough of Grim Dawn.

JD2013

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Lysette wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Dromede wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I do not even have a clue what you mean by card game packs - I am not a gambler - the only card game I play is Qwen in Witcher 3 and not because I would like it, but to make people more likely to give me information and hints.

Hearthstone, Magic the Gathering, ESO's own card game, Pokemon to name a few. You buy packs of cards for real money and there is a chance for a rare or legendary like card, but most of the time there is just crap or cards you already have. I don't see that as any different from the RNG loot boxes. Most of the time you'll get crap, but there is always a chance.

As invested i am in ES series, i'm absolutely not interested in an ES card game - i even got an invitation to alpha only to ignore it.

This kind of games sounds terrible - it's a p2w straight up just by the nature of it. They already have a cash shop as far as i know - and so do most card games, no matter how good or bad they are.

I'm not particularly addictive, but i'd never play those games because they are an open trap. I used to though - but now i know better.

Even though i voted a technical yes in this poll, i see a very distinctive line on the rng box issue. The second they introduce something more significant than just a costume or a mount, i'm out. Because i'm a human, and there are things that i can resist (skins and mounts), and there are things that i can't (like an equivalent of a vma weapon in shiny box all without a grind to keep your character viable for endgame). I'm not planning to acquire addiction over a video game.

It's a game, and i'd like to play without a credit card in my hands.

P.S. eso+ and crown purchaser. No freeloading mentality here

The same, ironically. I literally have plastic boxes filled with physical cards under my desk at this moment. I've been a huge fan of CCGs for 20 years. I got the invite for Legends... and... kinda failed to have any interest in it.

If I want to play a game like this, I fire up Witcher 3 and play a round of Qwen in an inn and good - I do not need to pay real money to have a game similar to those.

Gwent is awesome. I love Gwent and The Witcher 3.

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Dromede wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I do not even have a clue what you mean by card game packs - I am not a gambler - the only card game I play is Qwen in Witcher 3 and not because I would like it, but to make people more likely to give me information and hints.

Hearthstone, Magic the Gathering, ESO's own card game, Pokemon to name a few. You buy packs of cards for real money and there is a chance for a rare or legendary like card, but most of the time there is just crap or cards you already have. I don't see that as any different from the RNG loot boxes. Most of the time you'll get crap, but there is always a chance.

As invested i am in ES series, i'm absolutely not interested in an ES card game - i even got an invitation to alpha only to ignore it.

This kind of games sounds terrible - it's a p2w straight up just by the nature of it. They already have a cash shop as far as i know - and so do most card games, no matter how good or bad they are.

I'm not particularly addictive, but i'd never play those games because they are an open trap. I used to though - but now i know better.

Even though i voted a technical yes in this poll, i see a very distinctive line on the rng box issue. The second they introduce something more significant than just a costume or a mount, i'm out. Because i'm a human, and there are things that i can resist (skins and mounts), and there are things that i can't (like an equivalent of a vma weapon in shiny box all without a grind to keep your character viable for endgame). I'm not planning to acquire addiction over a video game.

It's a game, and i'd like to play without a credit card in my hands.

P.S. eso+ and crown purchaser. No freeloading mentality here

The same, ironically. I literally have plastic boxes filled with physical cards under my desk at this moment. I've been a huge fan of CCGs for 20 years. I got the invite for Legends... and... kinda failed to have any interest in it.

If I want to play a game like this, I fire up Witcher 3 and play a round of Qwen in an inn and good - I do not need to pay real money to have a game similar to those.

I like physical cards, against a living opponent. I wouldn't have the huge collection of Magic: The Gathering if I didn't. But, even there, I got out because Wizards just got too grabby over the years. Mostly I stick with the FFG games these days. They're way cheaper to collect.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

JD2013 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Dromede wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I do not even have a clue what you mean by card game packs - I am not a gambler - the only card game I play is Qwen in Witcher 3 and not because I would like it, but to make people more likely to give me information and hints.

Hearthstone, Magic the Gathering, ESO's own card game, Pokemon to name a few. You buy packs of cards for real money and there is a chance for a rare or legendary like card, but most of the time there is just crap or cards you already have. I don't see that as any different from the RNG loot boxes. Most of the time you'll get crap, but there is always a chance.

As invested i am in ES series, i'm absolutely not interested in an ES card game - i even got an invitation to alpha only to ignore it.

This kind of games sounds terrible - it's a p2w straight up just by the nature of it. They already have a cash shop as far as i know - and so do most card games, no matter how good or bad they are.

I'm not particularly addictive, but i'd never play those games because they are an open trap. I used to though - but now i know better.

Even though i voted a technical yes in this poll, i see a very distinctive line on the rng box issue. The second they introduce something more significant than just a costume or a mount, i'm out. Because i'm a human, and there are things that i can resist (skins and mounts), and there are things that i can't (like an equivalent of a vma weapon in shiny box all without a grind to keep your character viable for endgame). I'm not planning to acquire addiction over a video game.

It's a game, and i'd like to play without a credit card in my hands.

P.S. eso+ and crown purchaser. No freeloading mentality here

The same, ironically. I literally have plastic boxes filled with physical cards under my desk at this moment. I've been a huge fan of CCGs for 20 years. I got the invite for Legends... and... kinda failed to have any interest in it.

If I want to play a game like this, I fire up Witcher 3 and play a round of Qwen in an inn and good - I do not need to pay real money to have a game similar to those.

Gwent is awesome. I love Gwent and The Witcher 3.

Ah yes, Gwent - I knew something is wrong with Qwen - that is the name of the girl introducing one to the TG in ESO - my bad.

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

starkerealm wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

They officially announced it, it's coming. I would say stick around to give them feedback, but given they ignored 60 pages of feedback...they do not lisen.

...I say pack it in and go, gentlemen. If I had anywhere TO go, I would be.

I'm probably heading back to single player games. I might actually go back and finally finish a playthrough of Grim Dawn.

Honestly? Brand new xbox right there, prolly gonna split my time. I play this game for the RP anyway.