What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Wow

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Adding to my post:

I'm against this. There's many way to generate income for the game. How about selling some real good contents in crown shops? How about putting extra sweats in designing real good costumes, pets, or mounts? (You know the stuffs that make you goes like OMG that is very sexy on my toon I must get those!) If it's not enough put them behind Premium cosmetics price, if it's not enough put them behind bundle pack or something. Not enough? Put them behind time limit.

But instead we are getting Crown RNG Boxes.

In B&S they had this. Not only once, but many times each come with their own costumes, and they even also put upgrading stones as one of their rewards, I forgot what was it called but it is equivalent to Tempering Alloys/Dreugh Wax/Rosin. Yeah sure sure cosmetic only, but how can you be so sure about what is going to happen in the future?

I've also bring the topics on my Traders guild, most of them were indifferent.

"Well then if you don't want it, just don't buy it!"
"No one forces you to buy such thing!"
"Well, maybe I'll buy some of the boxes like $20 and see how the loot like, hehe"
"It's their money, up to them what they want to spend it on is not your business. gtfo!! lol"


But my friend, let me tell you, not everyone are the same like you. Some of them are rather weak to this kind of gambling stuffs. Gambling addiction is a real thing http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/compulsive-gambling/basics/definition/con-20023242 Are you sure you want to support them in this gambling boxes thingy?

Lot of stories out there if you are willing to see.

A father who stole his children's college fund to support his rng boxes gambling compulsion.

A lady who, when the company whose game she played bought her a plane ticket to come to a convention to meet the team that built it couldn't go because she couldn't afford the train ticket to the airport. As she had spent literally every cent she had on the rng boxes.

These are all real stories.

Stories that have been shared by us by the people in the industry or stories we've heard first hand.
Sometimes brave individual developers will quit or walk away from those companies but systemically... Nothing.


So are you sure you want ZoS to be financially depends on ability to prey on just such people?

If you say "Yes", may Stendarr have mercy on you.

Elijah_Crow

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Morimizo wrote: »

Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »

I think it was @Elijah_Crow that wrote earlier about the ESO Crown Store being the most ethical of any MMO...well that's like saying someone is the "least violent" druglord. Praising with faint [snip], don't you think?

Or is it [snip] with faint Praises?

A convenience and cosmetic cash shop in a game that is buy to play is not equivalent to any sort of drug lord. These games need to show solid revenue for companies to continue to develop content and invest in growing a game.

I understand you want it for free. You probably feel you deserve it for free. Entitlement generation no doubt.


If ESO being profitable means the game is around for years to come, I'm all for it.


[edited quoted post]

Recremen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Morimizo wrote: »

Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »

I think it was @Elijah_Crow that wrote earlier about the ESO Crown Store being the most ethical of any MMO...well that's like saying someone is the "least violent" druglord. Praising with faint dam*s, don't you think?

Or is it Dam*ing with faint Praises?

A convenience and cosmetic cash shop in a game that is buy to play is not equivalent to any sort of drug lord. These games need to show solid revenue for companies to continue to develop content and invest in growing a game.

I understand you want it for free. You probably feel you deserve it for free. Entitlement generation no doubt.


If ESO being profitable means the game is around for years to come, I'm all for it.

If your only input in the conversation is to try to insult people with ageist, presumptuous nonsense, then please just see yourself out, the adults are talking. I haven't seen a single person on here say that they want things for free, the item in question is whether or not we think gambling is an acceptable service for ZOS to offer.

Roechacca

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Morimizo wrote: »

Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »

I think it was @Elijah_Crow that wrote earlier about the ESO Crown Store being the most ethical of any MMO...well that's like saying someone is the "least violent" druglord. Praising with faint dam*s, don't you think?

Or is it Dam*ing with faint Praises?

A convenience and cosmetic cash shop in a game that is buy to play is not equivalent to any sort of drug lord. These games need to show solid revenue for companies to continue to develop content and invest in growing a game.

I understand you want it for free. You probably feel you deserve it for free. Entitlement generation no doubt.


If ESO being profitable means the game is around for years to come, I'm all for it.

I've sunk almost a grand into ESO. Preordered, put work into beta, invested personal time to present problems to the Devs. I work 60hrs a week so I can do that. Union Bridge builder and contractor. Have my own wrench shop for side money and 3 employees. Businesses don't have to lower the quality to make money. Grab bags are a lower quality means of getting cash shop items.

[Edit to remove insulting content]

Elijah_Crow

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Recremen wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Morimizo wrote: »

Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »

I think it was @Elijah_Crow that wrote earlier about the ESO Crown Store being the most ethical of any MMO...well that's like saying someone is the "least violent" druglord. Praising with faint dam*s, don't you think?

Or is it Dam*ing with faint Praises?

A convenience and cosmetic cash shop in a game that is buy to play is not equivalent to any sort of drug lord. These games need to show solid revenue for companies to continue to develop content and invest in growing a game.

I understand you want it for free. You probably feel you deserve it for free. Entitlement generation no doubt.


If ESO being profitable means the game is around for years to come, I'm all for it.

If your only input in the conversation is to try to insult people with ageist, presumptuous nonsense, then please just see yourself out, the adults are talking. I haven't seen a single person on here say that they want things for free, the item in question is whether or not we think gambling is an acceptable service for ZOS to offer.

My only input...

I think I made my opinion in several other posts that I have made in this thread which you most likely haven't read. I responded to someone quoting me and feel my response was appropriate. You on the other hand don't have the right to tell anyone to post or not to post and I will continue to exercise my privilege to do so.

Nothing adult about your comments. Nothing at all.

ADarklore

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Considering this thread has gone 38 pages in just two days, I think they should SERIOUSLY reconsider going this route! There are plenty of other ways to add income to the game without adding in a gambling 'RNG' type of lottery box and include special and unique items that aren't purchasable otherwise. As others noted, it seems like a desperate means of grabbing income, and an unnecessary means at that.

Rohamad_Ali

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Everyone here had to buy the game in order to play and to post on these forums . No one here is a freeloader getting something for nothing . Everyone has a right to post their concerns to ZOS in a constructive non insulting way to others . Take lessons from being humble and try to understand reasons people are for or against it without attacking one another . It doesn't solve any problems just makes problems being worse .

Recremen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Morimizo wrote: »

Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »

I think it was @Elijah_Crow that wrote earlier about the ESO Crown Store being the most ethical of any MMO...well that's like saying someone is the "least violent" druglord. Praising with faint dam*s, don't you think?

Or is it Dam*ing with faint Praises?

A convenience and cosmetic cash shop in a game that is buy to play is not equivalent to any sort of drug lord. These games need to show solid revenue for companies to continue to develop content and invest in growing a game.

I understand you want it for free. You probably feel you deserve it for free. Entitlement generation no doubt.


If ESO being profitable means the game is around for years to come, I'm all for it.

If your only input in the conversation is to try to insult people with ageist, presumptuous nonsense, then please just see yourself out, the adults are talking. I haven't seen a single person on here say that they want things for free, the item in question is whether or not we think gambling is an acceptable service for ZOS to offer.

My only input...

I think I made my opinion in several other posts that I have made in this thread which you most likely haven't read. I responded to someone quoting me and feel my response was appropriate. You on the other hand don't have the right to tell anyone to post or not to post and I will continue to exercise my privilege to do so.

Nothing adult about your comments. Nothing at all.

What do you mean nothing adult? I said "please".

Yes, yes. It seems you did say one adult word. Well done!

For real though, I've been in this thread since it started and didn't see enough of your posts before the one in question to form any lasting memories about what else you contributed to the discussion, so my bad. That said, I think you were quite out of line talking about "entitlement generation" and making other presumptions about the person in order to insult them.

Elijah_Crow

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

ADarklore wrote: »

Considering this thread has gone 38 pages in just two days, I think they should SERIOUSLY reconsider going this route! There are plenty of other ways to add income to the game without adding in a gambling 'RNG' type of lottery box and include special and unique items that aren't purchasable otherwise. As others noted, it seems like a desperate means of grabbing income, and an unnecessary means at that.

I understand some people really don't like this and while I respect their opinion, this thread has had only 594 votes and the 38 pages of comments have been many people trying to share their point of view in a very back and forth manner. The number of people commenting and voting don't make much a dent in 7 million players. Not even if we're only talking 2 million active.

I think the conversation is important however and those of us that love ESO have a responsibility to provide the feedback we feel is appropriate.

With that being said I think it's fairly obvious that lockboxes can and will be a good source of income for the company if games like SWTOR and some others any indication. If you are going to have lockboxes in a game at all, then at least they have chosen to execute it in a very smart way to negate any impact on game play.

Mojmir

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I'd like to know if there will still be the option to buy things outright with crowns.
Example: say white wolf makes it too the crown store
Rng box only? Or both
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Elijah_Crow

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Recremen wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Morimizo wrote: »

Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »

I think it was @Elijah_Crow that wrote earlier about the ESO Crown Store being the most ethical of any MMO...well that's like saying someone is the "least violent" druglord. Praising with faint dam*s, don't you think?

Or is it Dam*ing with faint Praises?

A convenience and cosmetic cash shop in a game that is buy to play is not equivalent to any sort of drug lord. These games need to show solid revenue for companies to continue to develop content and invest in growing a game.

I understand you want it for free. You probably feel you deserve it for free. Entitlement generation no doubt.


If ESO being profitable means the game is around for years to come, I'm all for it.

If your only input in the conversation is to try to insult people with ageist, presumptuous nonsense, then please just see yourself out, the adults are talking. I haven't seen a single person on here say that they want things for free, the item in question is whether or not we think gambling is an acceptable service for ZOS to offer.

My only input...

I think I made my opinion in several other posts that I have made in this thread which you most likely haven't read. I responded to someone quoting me and feel my response was appropriate. You on the other hand don't have the right to tell anyone to post or not to post and I will continue to exercise my privilege to do so.

Nothing adult about your comments. Nothing at all.

What do you mean nothing adult? I said "please".

Yes, yes. It seems you did say one adult word. Well done!

For real though, I've been in this thread since it started and didn't see enough of your posts before the one in question to form any lasting memories about what else you contributed to the discussion, so my bad. That said, I think you were quite out of line talking about "entitlement generation" and making other presumptions about the person in order to insult them.

Fair enough. I'm generally not one to re-post my opinion over and over in an attempt to change anyone's. I really felt that the poster I quoted was expressing that "obviously" the company has made enough money and shouldn't pursue new avenues regardless of what they were.

Abeille

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Mojmir wrote: »

I'd like to know if there will still be the option to buy things outright with crowns.
Example: say white wolf makes it too the crown store
Ring box only? Or both
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

I would like to know this too, and specifically about the Ice Wolf too.

I know there will be things that are exclusive to the boxes, but I want to know if at least some new mounts will still be added to the store.

Panda_iMunch

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Divines, the worth has been worn out of this post and is now replaced with animosity. Since this system is not out nor fully explained, this 'speculation' is just serves no point. Ohhh, there selling cosmetic items, nothing new. This fear that it will educe a gambling and P2W culture is unfounded as the game has had no intention of doing so for as long as I can tell, so just chill.

Test it when it comes out in 2 weeks and see if it's worth it. If not? Make some recommendations.

MAdkat124b14_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

This is kind of upsetting. I bought the game at release and played on and off. When they announced the new One Tamriel update I was really looking forward to getting in to it. Don't know If I want to get in to it now.

But I detest this kind of thing. Yeah, I know I don't need to buy them, but I share the same concern as many others here. That they will snowball in to something much worse. Or the game will end up like Guild Wars 2 (At least when I stopped playing) where they added little to no items in game that you wanted to get (In terms of cosmetics), but instead released various armor skins on the real money store.

It might sound silly, but I feel that having even hard to get cosmetics that are worth while (good/cool looking) and obtainable to get in game is better for a company in the long term than these real money things. Especially in ESO where there's frequent, price, DLC/mini expansions.

The only way I'd be okay with these crates is if they're obtainable (and openable) via in game methods. Nothing ridiculous like those damned keys from Guild Wars though.

Shimmer

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Guys, lets get real here. Its a game. This whole thing is so blown out of proportion that its getting to the point of silliness. Comparing them to slavers, drug lords, enablers of gambling addicts etc is just plain silly. ZOS has to make some cash and this is a GREAT way to do it without making it P2W or ruining the economy as other games have done when instituting theirs.

Rohamad_Ali

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Panda_iMunch wrote: »

Divines, the worth has been worn out of this post and is now replaced with animosity. Since this system is not out nor fully explained, this 'speculation' is just serves no point. Ohhh, there selling cosmetic items, nothing new. This fear that it will educe a gambling and P2W culture is unfounded as the game has had no intention of doing so for as long as I can tell, so just chill.

Test it when it comes out in 2 weeks and see if it's worth it. If not? Make some recommendations.

Oh people will . Stay tuned for bigger thread launch day for update when everyone finds out . If ZOS is crafty they'll do like a few other games and set the drop rate for great items first day and them lower chances later to really reel in the fish .

Xsorus

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Edgemoor wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Swtor has them; honestly never had a issue with them in that game. They didn't add anything that had an actual effect on the game, it's all cosmetic... People who whine about are just pathetic silly children who demand everything be given to them for free.

But all the good stuff goes into the cartel packs, hardly anything elsewhere. And after a while the chance to get anything good is now so low the only use for them is as a means to convert real money into game cash.

While this is true you can also pretty much spend in game cash on any of these said items vs real life money in that game...so its not a huge issue.

code65536

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

If ZOS wants to add some "fun" gambling, then there must be one rule: Every possible drop from the RNG crate must be available for direct purchase.

This would allow people to try their luck at getting an item cheaply. But it would not leave RNG as the only way to get an item.

I do not like to gamble, I never gamble, and I would not be tempted to gamble. So these crates have absolutely zero effect on me personally. But they can and do affect people who don't have that kind of self-control. And by having items that are obtainable only through random crates--either items that are "discontinued" or items that are exclusive to the gamble boxes--they are enticing the compulsive players to gamble. And even though it doesn't affect me, it is a low tactic that elicits my disapproval.

So, ZOS, if you want to add gambling, do it right: Make everything that is in your current gamble box pool available for direct purchase. Rotate stuff in and out as you see fit, but there should never by anything in the gamble pool that cannot be direct-purchased. It's just a virtual store of bits--don't insult our intelligence by claiming "limited space". Make this change, and I will withdraw all objections. Don't, and I'll know just how far you are willing to exploit a certain segment of your customer base.

Mojmir

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Panda_iMunch wrote: »

Divines, the worth has been worn out of this post and is now replaced with animosity. Since this system is not out nor fully explained, this 'speculation' is just serves no point. Ohhh, there selling cosmetic items, nothing new. This fear that it will educe a gambling and P2W culture is unfounded as the game has had no intention of doing so for as long as I can tell, so just chill.

Test it when it comes out in 2 weeks and see if it's worth it. If not? Make some recommendations.

This game started off with elements of p2w, imperial edition? Any race any alliance? I'm on the fence with the gambling argument, hell you gamble leaving your house everyday.the basis of this thread needs to stay on track. The issue is the lockboxes leading to p2w.

Rohamad_Ali

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Sylance9 wrote: »

Guys, lets get real here. Its a game. This whole thing is so blown out of proportion that its getting to the point of silliness. Comparing them to slavers, drug lords, enablers of gambling addicts etc is just plain silly. ZOS has to make some cash and this is a GREAT way to do it without making it P2W or ruining the economy as other games have done when instituting theirs.

Please tell me why this is a great way of doing it I'm very curious . Why is it great for me to buy loot box with chances of item I may want from RNG instead of purchasing said item direct from crown store ? Why is this GREAT idea please ?

Recremen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Panda_iMunch wrote: »

Divines, the worth has been worn out of this post and is now replaced with animosity. Since this system is not out nor fully explained, this 'speculation' is just serves no point. Ohhh, there selling cosmetic items, nothing new. This fear that it will educe a gambling and P2W culture is unfounded as the game has had no intention of doing so for as long as I can tell, so just chill.

Test it when it comes out in 2 weeks and see if it's worth it. If not? Make some recommendations.

That's one of the problems, though, no amount of testing is going to help us make informed decisions about our purchases and that's entirely the fault of introducing gambling boxes. We have to this point been able to see what's coming to the Crown Store, know how much it will cost, and thanks to data miners we even have a good idea regarding what will be available farther in the future, letting us make informed decisions about how many Crowns to buy. With the gambling boxes, however, we will never be able to know what the drop rates are, or even if they're consistent over time. It's completely impossible as customers to establish a value for an item and make an informed decision about the purchase. We sure as heck aren't here for the "thrill" of gambling, so all this does is prevent us from making smart purchases. On top of that, we have an additional level of uncertainty because anything getting data mined might end up as a gambling box exclusive instead of a normal Crown Store item. We can't plan ahead, we can't make reasonable assumptions about an item's value, and thus we can't be informed customers, which is kind of the backbone of a stable economy.

Shimmer

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Sylance9 wrote: »

Guys, lets get real here. Its a game. This whole thing is so blown out of proportion that its getting to the point of silliness. Comparing them to slavers, drug lords, enablers of gambling addicts etc is just plain silly. ZOS has to make some cash and this is a GREAT way to do it without making it P2W or ruining the economy as other games have done when instituting theirs.

Please tell me why this is a great way of doing it I'm very curious . Why is it great for me to buy loot box with chances of item I may want from RNG instead of purchasing said item direct from crown store ? Why is this GREAT idea please ?

First of all - It only contains a consumable item that you can ALREADY PURCHASE in the store. It also gives you only cosmetic items, IE nothing that would give you a advantage over another player.

Second - Those items are NOT tradeable or sellable to others - that would ruin the economy as it has in other games.

Third - You can exchange dupes for gems to purchase the things you DO want to have.

Finally - the game has another source of income that has proven to work in other games, that will allow it to stay alive for a long time to come.

The only thing the boxes do, is make you look fantastic while swinging a sword, or running around on your fancy rare mount.

Panda_iMunch

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Recremen wrote: »

That's one of the problems, though, no amount of testing is going to help us make informed decisions about our purchases and that's entirely the fault of introducing gambling boxes. We have to this point been able to see what's coming to the Crown Store, know how much it will cost, and thanks to data miners we even have a good idea regarding what will be available farther in the future, letting us make informed decisions about how many Crowns to buy. With the gambling boxes, however, we will never be able to know what the drop rates are, or even if they're consistent over time. It's completely impossible as customers to establish a value for an item and make an informed decision about the purchase. We sure as heck aren't here for the "thrill" of gambling, so all this does is prevent us from making smart purchases. On top of that, we have an additional level of uncertainty because anything getting data mined might end up as a gambling box exclusive instead of a normal Crown Store item. We can't plan ahead, we can't make reasonable assumptions about an item's value, and thus we can't be informed customers, which is kind of the backbone of a stable economy.

I can see the fear of losing money, but when it comes to items, risk taking, and cosmetics, the worth is subjective. What you are paying for in the end is some entertainment through cosmetics and how much fun a person can derive from that is up to their imagination and quality of the item. Seeing as people can preview items and test them on the pts, the only issue left is if a person is willing to spend a large amount of money to gain this item? Maybe some people like the thrill of rolling the dice and that's enough for them. If you don't see the value of the item before you buy the box, then don't buy them! Wait for something else to come out and buy that.

Recremen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Panda_iMunch wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

That's one of the problems, though, no amount of testing is going to help us make informed decisions about our purchases and that's entirely the fault of introducing gambling boxes. We have to this point been able to see what's coming to the Crown Store, know how much it will cost, and thanks to data miners we even have a good idea regarding what will be available farther in the future, letting us make informed decisions about how many Crowns to buy. With the gambling boxes, however, we will never be able to know what the drop rates are, or even if they're consistent over time. It's completely impossible as customers to establish a value for an item and make an informed decision about the purchase. We sure as heck aren't here for the "thrill" of gambling, so all this does is prevent us from making smart purchases. On top of that, we have an additional level of uncertainty because anything getting data mined might end up as a gambling box exclusive instead of a normal Crown Store item. We can't plan ahead, we can't make reasonable assumptions about an item's value, and thus we can't be informed customers, which is kind of the backbone of a stable economy.

I can see the fear of losing money, but when it comes to items, risk taking, and cosmetics, the worth is subjective. What you are paying for in the end is some entertainment through cosmetics and how much fun a person can derive from that is up to their imagination and quality of the item. Seeing as people can preview items and test them on the pts, the only issue left is if a person is willing to spend a large amount of money to gain this item? Maybe some people like the thrill of rolling the dice and that's enough for them. If you don't see the value of the item before you buy the box, then don't buy them! Wait for something else to come out and buy that.

I feel like you're not seeing the fundamental issues here. Gambling boxes are not guaranteed to contain a desirable item. There is no amount of money you can be willing to spend that will guarantee the acquisition of something you want. While highly improbably, it is completely possible to spend any amount of Crowns on gambling boxes and never get the thing you want. The more players participating in a gambling economy, the more likely it will happen to someone. This is a complete divorce from reputable business practices where you exchange cash (or in this case, fiat currency) for goods. This is a complete divorce from our typical relationship with ZOS as their customers.

If ZOS had always been in the business of gambling then I could understand people's acceptance of this practice, but this is the first time in this game that they've offered a gambling service. I find it entirely inappropriate given the content and history of the game and think they should stick to their already-functional Crown Store/DLC/optional subscription model. I want to be able to see an item in the store and buy it, as I have been for the past 2 years or however long the Crown Store has been out. I don't want to buy a gambling service and I don't want content locked behind the gambling service.

Rohamad_Ali

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Sylance9 wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Sylance9 wrote: »

Guys, lets get real here. Its a game. This whole thing is so blown out of proportion that its getting to the point of silliness. Comparing them to slavers, drug lords, enablers of gambling addicts etc is just plain silly. ZOS has to make some cash and this is a GREAT way to do it without making it P2W or ruining the economy as other games have done when instituting theirs.

Please tell me why this is a great way of doing it I'm very curious . Why is it great for me to buy loot box with chances of item I may want from RNG instead of purchasing said item direct from crown store ? Why is this GREAT idea please ?

First of all - It only contains a consumable item that you can ALREADY PURCHASE in the store. It also gives you only cosmetic items, IE nothing that would give you a advantage over another player.

Second - Those items are NOT tradeable or sellable to others - that would ruin the economy as it has in other games.

Third - You can exchange dupes for gems to purchase the things you DO want to have.

Finally - the game has another source of income that has proven to work in other games, that will allow it to stay alive for a long time to come.

The only thing the boxes do, is make you look fantastic while swinging a sword, or running around on your fancy rare mount.

But this is not true entirely . We were told by Matt there would be "exclusive" items and mounts only from buying loot bags , can not be bought separately , must be won . How is that a great idea ? I can't buy it direct , I have to take chances if ai want something in particular . Now if it could be sold then I would have options to buy from other player that gambled .

I think a GREAT IDEA , would be to leave the store as is and all those wonderful things we've been asking for . Multi person horse carriages . Vampire polymorphs , Water transports ... There a huge thread on things we want to buy directly right now . Why not give customers what they ask for instead of risky loot bags ?

Zennimax online studios is doing very well financially btw . This isn't a we need to keep the lights on thing . 7 million player boasts don't support the need to drop the money making fishing net on a game with a already successful crown store .

code65536

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Sylance9 wrote: »

First of all - It only contains a consumable item that you can ALREADY PURCHASE in the store. It also gives you only cosmetic items, IE nothing that would give you a advantage over another player.

Second - Those items are NOT tradeable or sellable to others - that would ruin the economy as it has in other games.

Third - You can exchange dupes for gems to purchase the things you DO want to have.

Finally - the game has another source of income that has proven to work in other games, that will allow it to stay alive for a long time to come.

The only thing the boxes do, is make you look fantastic while swinging a sword, or running around on your fancy rare mount.

Panda_iMunch wrote: »

I can see the fear of losing money, but when it comes to items, risk taking, and cosmetics, the worth is subjective. What you are paying for in the end is some entertainment through cosmetics and how much fun a person can derive from that is up to their imagination and quality of the item. Seeing as people can preview items and test them on the pts, the only issue left is if a person is willing to spend a large amount of money to gain this item? Maybe some people like the thrill of rolling the dice and that's enough for them. If you don't see the value of the item before you buy the box, then don't buy them! Wait for something else to come out and buy that.

Both of these quoted posts assume one thing: A rational player. I am one of these rational players. I will not gamble on these boxes because I know that the overall long-term result will not be in my favor, and I know it is folly to spend lots of money on a mount or costume, no matter how awesome it might look.

But not everyone is like that. There are players who are compulsive, who feel compelled to get a particular item. If rational people like you and me know to stay away from gamble boxes, then what is the point of having them, if not to exploit people who have an addictive or compulsive personality?

My objections to these boxes aren't based on how they would affect me--they don't affect me at all. My objections are about what these gamble boxes say about how much ZOS is willing to exploit certain members of their customer base. Just because I'm not being fleeced, it doesn't mean that I shouldn't frown when I see someone else being fleeced.

And finally, I will reiterate what I wrote earlier: If ZOS ensures that every item that can be obtained through the gamble box is readily available for direct purchase at full price, I would withdraw all my objections. (This is not in their current plans, as they plan to offer "discontinued" and even gamble-box exclusives.) I have no problems with people paying for costumes and mounts. I do have problem with making gamble boxes the only way to obtain a particular item, thus providing no "escape hatch" for people who do have compulsive personalities.

Korah_Eaglecry

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Considering this thread has gone 38 pages in just two days, I think they should SERIOUSLY reconsider going this route! There are plenty of other ways to add income to the game without adding in a gambling 'RNG' type of lottery box and include special and unique items that aren't purchasable otherwise. As others noted, it seems like a desperate means of grabbing income, and an unnecessary means at that.

I understand some people really don't like this and while I respect their opinion, this thread has had only 594 votes and the 38 pages of comments have been many people trying to share their point of view in a very back and forth manner. The number of people commenting and voting don't make much a dent in 7 million players. Not even if we're only talking 2 million active.

I think the conversation is important however and those of us that love ESO have a responsibility to provide the feedback we feel is appropriate.

With that being said I think it's fairly obvious that lockboxes can and will be a good source of income for the company if games like SWTOR and some others any indication. If you are going to have lockboxes in a game at all, then at least they have chosen to execute it in a very smart way to negate any impact on game play.

LMAO are you seriously trying to take that comment at E3 at face value and use it in your argument? How many of those 7 million accounts are active? How many are bots? How many are accounts that belong to people now banned? How many of them are sockpuppet accounts?

Anyone that was watching that announcement knew they werent talking about 7 million active individual players. Far from it.

Shimmer

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Considering this thread has gone 38 pages in just two days, I think they should SERIOUSLY reconsider going this route! There are plenty of other ways to add income to the game without adding in a gambling 'RNG' type of lottery box and include special and unique items that aren't purchasable otherwise. As others noted, it seems like a desperate means of grabbing income, and an unnecessary means at that.

I understand some people really don't like this and while I respect their opinion, this thread has had only 594 votes and the 38 pages of comments have been many people trying to share their point of view in a very back and forth manner. The number of people commenting and voting don't make much a dent in 7 million players. Not even if we're only talking 2 million active.

I think the conversation is important however and those of us that love ESO have a responsibility to provide the feedback we feel is appropriate.

With that being said I think it's fairly obvious that lockboxes can and will be a good source of income for the company if games like SWTOR and some others any indication. If you are going to have lockboxes in a game at all, then at least they have chosen to execute it in a very smart way to negate any impact on game play.

LMAO are you seriously trying to take that comment at E3 at face value and use it in your argument? How many of those 7 million accounts are active? How many are bots? How many are accounts that belong to people now banned? How many of them are sockpuppet accounts?

Anyone that was watching that announcement knew they werent talking about 7 million active individual players. Far from it.

Even if it were just 1 million, 594 votes is still a small fraction.

Panda_iMunch

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Recremen wrote: »

I feel like you're not seeing the fundamental issues here. Gambling boxes are not guaranteed to contain a desirable item. There is no amount of money you can be willing to spend that will guarantee the acquisition of something you want. While highly improbably, it is completely possible to spend any amount of Crowns on gambling boxes and never get the thing you want. The more players participating in a gambling economy, the more likely it will happen to someone. This is a complete divorce from reputable business practices where you exchange cash (or in this case, fiat currency) for goods. This is a complete divorce from our typical relationship with ZOS as their customers.

If ZOS had always been in the business of gambling then I could understand people's acceptance of this practice, but this is the first time in this game that they've offered a gambling service. I find it entirely inappropriate given the content and history of the game and think they should stick to their already-functional Crown Store/DLC/optional subscription model. I want to be able to see an item in the store and buy it, as I have been for the past 2 years or however long the Crown Store has been out. I don't want to buy a gambling service and I don't want content locked behind the gambling service.

The thing is that they are sticking to the crown store system and new items will still be up there every so often. It's not like they're getting rid of it. Seeing as most of the items in the store will be in the boxes, the gamble is all up to the player. Yeah, a few cosmetic items will only be in the boxes and no one likes gates, but this is a very unimportant gate seeing as it doesn't affect core game-play. They still have to make money some ways and they have to put incentives in their products, it's how you sell stuff effectively. As long as their is items still being introduced, like they said they'll do, then having this option doesn't appear all that damaging.

Wow

No, don't ever add these into the game.

And do you think majority of those 7 millions players even check on forums?