What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Jade1986

No, don't ever add these into the game.

bedlom wrote: »

I don't feel good about it. One game comes to mind SWTOR and that games cash shop set up is atrocious.
But ESO has been obviously going down this route for awhile, what with all the mounts only attainable in the CS and not a single one added to the base game to earn (not even for abit of morale lol)
But I still give ESO credit for the fact I have only had to buy mounts, costumes etc once! (Unlike SWTOR)
And pricing is slowly getting better (fingers crossed it continues)

Yeah, you would think they would at LEAST throw us a camel mount we can earn in game, like SWTOR did with the taun tauns.

Andarne

No, don't ever add these into the game.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Given the (so far (54% "No") overwhelmingly negative results to this system, are you guys at ZOS actually gonna do something about it?

I don't browse the forums that much, so I don't know about how much influence we truly have as your community; but when I was playing LoTRO, if we had a complaint about a system or something, and made a poll with such stark results, Turbine/Codemasters would act.

AlienSlof

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Cously wrote: »

After thinking on it for some days I came to the conclusion that the best housing furnitures will probably be in boxes. Since I'm overly hyped for housing I will leave this for ZOS if you are reading:

I will pay 5,000 Crowns to get a Ruby Throne Replica. I will not pay one single Crown for the mere chance of getting one. I don't mind paying expensive fluffy but I refuse to pay anything for something that isn't guaranteed.

If this happens then I won't even buy a house, never mind furniture!

Moorcrofts

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Every game I've seen this sort of thing added to over the years has only been damaged by it somehow. Even the best case scenario is bad for the players in the long run. Yes, the company does need to make money, but there is no reason to use this method of generating profit over another aside from it being an easy way to prey on human weakness.

Tyrion87

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Andarne wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno Given the (so far (54% "No") overwhelmingly negative results to this system, are you guys at ZOS actually gonna do something about it?

Well, certainly they won't do anything about it. When assistants came to the crown store for 5k each and with limited functionality, the negative feedback was overwhelming with more than 90% people being against that. And guess what? Those items are still in the crown store for that ridiculous price...

Andarne

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Tyrion87 wrote: »

Andarne wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno Given the (so far (54% "No") overwhelmingly negative results to this system, are you guys at ZOS actually gonna do something about it?

Well, certainly they won't do anything about it. When assistants came to the crown store for 5k each and with limited functionality, the negative feedback was overwhelming with more than 90% people being against that. And guess what? Those items are still in the crown store for that ridiculous price...

That makes me sad...

Rhazmuz

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Dont care, no P2W stuff in the boxes anyway..

if you don like it, dont buy it, and if you do like it, great go ahead and buy some..

Really dont see how this can affect peoples enjoyment of the game, but each to their own.

Waseem

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Rhazmuz wrote: »

Dont care, no P2W stuff in the boxes anyway..

if you don like it, dont buy it, and if you do like it, great go ahead and buy some..

Really dont see how this can affect peoples enjoyment of the game, but each to their own.

its not a matter of pay to win -.-
its a matter of paying 80000 crowns for something you could get for 2000-3000 crowns

Rosveen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Rhazmuz wrote: »

Dont care, no P2W stuff in the boxes anyway..

if you don like it, dont buy it, and if you do like it, great go ahead and buy some..

Really dont see how this can affect peoples enjoyment of the game, but each to their own.

This argument flies out of the window when you realize some items will be found only in lockboxes and nowhere else. Suddenly the existence of lockboxes affects what I can or cannot buy. I'm willing to pay for a mount I really like, but I will not spend a single crown if its hidden behind RNG because there's no guarantee I'll ever get it at all, let alone for a price I'm comfortable with. I'm worried this is exactly what's going to happen to some of yet unreleased datamined items and to the housing update.

Docmandu

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Andarne wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno Given the (so far (54% "No") overwhelmingly negative results to this system, are you guys at ZOS actually gonna do something about it?

I don't browse the forums that much, so I don't know about how much influence we truly have as your community; but when I was playing LoTRO, if we had a complaint about a system or something, and made a poll with such stark results, Turbine/Codemasters would act.

It's going in.. even if the poll would end up with 100% against it.

anitajoneb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Andarne wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno Given the (so far (54% "No") overwhelmingly negative results to this system, are you guys at ZOS actually gonna do something about it?

I don't browse the forums that much, so I don't know about how much influence we truly have as your community; but when I was playing LoTRO, if we had a complaint about a system or something, and made a poll with such stark results, Turbine/Codemasters would act.

I have at least a dozen examples from the top of my head that ZOS actually does listen to feedback.
However, this feedback had to be reasonably phrased and well argumented. It's the quality of the feedback that will matter, not the quantity. In the present case, having people going all nuts over RNG-boxes, comparing them to slavery and threatening to alert Human Rights Watch doesn't help our opinions to even remotely look serious. Neither do drama queen quitters.
Feedback also needs to be "balanced" = players' opinions are often biased by their own personal interests. Whatever doesn't fit in the "grand scheme of things" (either for the game or for its business model) will be rejected no matter what.

Also, don't forget that this forum is extremely negative. People would probably vote overwhelmingly "no" to anything, from the color scheme of the forums to weather preferences...

TUHD86

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Not only it's an way too random moneysink, it's also practically illegal under the law, at least in the majority of the EU. Maybe the US would allow it, but in the EU it is in contradiction with the anti-gambling laws unless you obtain a gambling license for it. @ZOS_GinaBruno

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Xabien wrote: »

wonkydog wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

wonkydog wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

frateanu.luiseb17_ESO wrote: »

I'm against those lock boxes..but if ZOS want to add them at least they could offer one or two per day for free like in Blade And Soul.

They don't give a toss about lockboxes themselves. They want to encourage us to spend more money and lockboxes just happen to be a very effective way to do it. Giving them away for free would go against the very reason ZOS decided to implement them.

Yes, and as mentioned by several others already...if they wanted extra money then why not just add the mounts back to the store. People want these mounts, they are not expecting them to be free. They just want to buy the mount they want for £x and not gamble £xxx in the hope that they will be lucky enough to land it.

I agree, but the reason MMO devs hide behind lockboxes (although they'll never explicitly come out and say it) is because on average, players spend far more trying to obtain the desired item this way. It's the most cancerous form of cash shop marketing available, but boards and shareholders love the profit margins.

It'll be interesting to see the maths on it - I'm not disagreeing. Just wondering if the extra profit is worth the loss of goodwill.

If they add all the mounts back to the Crown store they will sell tens of thousands in total, let's say 20,000 (this is for all the mounts), at about £20 each on average. That is £400,000. The chance is that they will sell more than this but let us use this as a working figure.

On the other hand, the boxes will go for 400 crowns which are about £4 in the UK. On this logic, they will need to sell 100,000 boxes to make up the same amount of revenue.

Note, this does not include subscriptions lost because of people closing their account over this issue. Let's be generous and say that would cost them just £10,000; this adds another 2,500 boxes on the break even.

So, by my maths (which is 100% based on guesses and assumptions) , they would need to sell over 102,500 boxes just to cover the money they could have got without getting lots of bad PR. Seems a high amount for the negative press, especially considering my maths is probably underestimating how many mounts people would buy in the shop if they were readded.

Very easily done, especially when you factor in the rng of lockboxes, which is why they're so tempting to devs in the first place. You might get the mount you want on the first pull, but then you may have to open 10+ to get it. They generally work best against people with little self control - the "just one more try" mindset can lead players to spend far, far more than they were willing to just to get the item they wanted.

But even that maybe open 10+ boxes is an illusion, because it is more like open 100+ boxes and still not have gotten it - I have seen this in Archeage, it is more like you need hundreds of boxes to eventually get what you want - and then this mount is more like let's say 250x400 crowns = 100,000 crowns - a price you would never pay, if it would offered for this - and that is why they do RNG boxes, because the illusion to get a mount eventually with just a few boxes is there - but the facts are more like I described them - 100k crowns would be 636€ - maybe not spend in a single month but in a quarter - still, it is something one would never spend if the price would be shown - but with the RNG boxes these can be hidden behind a gambling mechanic.

Do not use these boxes if you really really really want that mount - it'll cost you much much more than you expect now. Back off and if you cannot help it, and the temptation is too high, leave the game for your own good - you will develop foll blown ICD if you go for this scheme - it will eventually make you sick.

anitajoneb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Rosveen wrote: »

Suddenly the existence of lockboxes affects what I can or cannot buy. I'm willing to pay for a mount I really like, but I will not spend a single crown if its hidden behind RNG.

So what ? Can't you live happily without that mount ? Even if you wanted it so badly ?
It's not your own blood that will be in lockboxes guys, c'mon...

Andarne

No, don't ever add these into the game.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Also, don't forget that this forum is extremely negative. People would probably vote overwhelmingly "no" to anything, from the color scheme of the forums to weather preferences...

I disagree with you in every possible way. Because you have a different opinion than my own, I want you to go get a horrible disease and/or die in a hole, you putrid Argonian-loving lowlife. /s

But yeah, I see what you mean. Perhaps ZOS should open a moderated discussion for these sorts of things, so we can get the civil replies instead?

petraeus1

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Andarne wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno Given the (so far (54% "No") overwhelmingly negative results to this system, are you guys at ZOS actually gonna do something about it?

I don't browse the forums that much, so I don't know about how much influence we truly have as your community; but when I was playing LoTRO, if we had a complaint about a system or something, and made a poll with such stark results, Turbine/Codemasters would act.

I have at least a dozen examples from the top of my head that ZOS actually does listen to feedback.
However, this feedback had to be reasonably phrased and well argumented. It's the quality of the feedback that will matter, not the quantity. In the present case, having people going all nuts over RNG-boxes, comparing them to slavery and threatening to alert Human Rights Watch doesn't help our opinions to even remotely look serious. Neither do drama queen quitters.
Feedback also needs to be "balanced" = players' opinions are often biased by their own personal interests. Whatever doesn't fit in the "grand scheme of things" (either for the game or for its business model) will be rejected no matter what.

Also, don't forget that this forum is extremely negative. People would probably vote overwhelmingly "no" to anything, from the color scheme of the forums to weather preferences...

To be fair, r/elderscrollsonline, often portrayed as the positive counterweight to the negative forums, also had a thread called 'Say no RNG lockboxes' or something with 76% upvoted; similar discussions on r/mmorpg, massivelop.com and mmorpg.com also show a majority not in favour of RNG lockboxes.

Also, let's not pretend there has not been good feedback in this thread. Bad arguments have been made by voters of both coins, as well as decent arguments. You just gotta find them in 41 pages of posts.

clayandaudrey_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

First of all I am totally against this. I have seen what it does in other games.

With that said, you can forget them ever not doing this. This is a cash cow of a massive scale. People will pay anything to get certain things in game, yes I am looking at you Housing.

There is going to be so much rage in the future. People will leave as stated in this thread. But more will come in to the game. But I think the sheep mentality will finally rule out, even with some of the people saying they will leave.

Soft caps, aoe caps, cheating, crown store, b2p, all of this has come and gone and eso is still here. It will be still here after lockboxes. It will still be here after housing is added to the store to much dismay. The sheep will follow and spend their money.

It only question anyone needs to ask themselves is "can I take this Bulls hit?" If the answer is yes stay and if not leave.

The business practices of MMO's of recent years has made me decide that single player RPGs are probably where I will be heading back to after playing MMO's for 20 years. It is kind of depressing but all will be well.

I will not be a sheep.

Jade1986

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Andarne wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Also, don't forget that this forum is extremely negative. People would probably vote overwhelmingly "no" to anything, from the color scheme of the forums to weather preferences...

I disagree with you in every possible way. Because you have a different opinion than my own, I want you to go get a horrible disease and/or die in a hole, you putrid Argonian-loving lowlife. /s

But yeah, I see what you mean. Perhaps ZOS should open a moderated discussion for these sorts of things, so we can get the civil replies instead?

The attitude toward these smurfing boxes is overwhelmingly negative, be it Reddit, Gen chat, guild chat, or the forums. Almost NO one wants these.

JJBoomer

No, don't ever add these into the game.

After having suffered STO's (Star Trek Online) loot box system, i can effectively say that I will be ignoring them in this game. As if they do not even exist. I don't care what exclusive mounts or cosmetic stuff they put in them. Not one single cent is going towards a lock box. I'll still buy crowns but not for this. Not ever.

The_Undefined

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I really dislike this idea, especially considering they're planning on putting in there exclusive items. We already have a crown store to purchase digital items, there shouldn't be another method to pool money from players. Maybe if this JUST had past Crown Store items, that way players were given an opportunity, but the gamble is absolutely stupid for players. Also, that means there will NEVER be a chance at past Crown Store items coming back to the Crown Store like GW2 revolves items in and out of the store, so that really sucks.

Also, which items will be decided to go into these lootboxes and which will now go to the Crown Store? They could end up putting limited edition festival items in these boxes which some players could never get due to a stupid gamble. What about items that would have ended up on the Crown Store? Again, the gamble is just all around bad news for players.

If I see that items are in these lootboxes, I'm just assuming to never get them. Even if you can break down repeat items to purchase specific items, I'm positive the amount of crowns necessary are just going to be a stupid amount.

I also feel that this could be a real crutch for the items in the Crown Store. ZOS doesn't need to keep pumping out quality paid Crown Store items as much b/c players will have a gamble wall on the nice items in the lootboxes.

Either way, the player is the loser in this scenario.

I understand there needs to be something for players that have amassed a massive amount of crowns to spend on, but gamble boxes with EXCLUSIVE gamble items is not the way imo.

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[EDIT] I genuinely do not get why people are supporting this in favor of a CHANCE at items. Why aren't you all asking for these items to be put back on the Crown Store for a GUARANTEE? Do you all like the idea of possibly dumping endless amounts of money with the very real possibility of never getting these items? You all know you're paying for the base game, (possibly) a sub, and maybe even buying extra crowns, why are you all in support of yet another form of getting money from you?

Also to those saying "More money = better / more content,' where are you getting this from? Have developers stated that all of the proceeds go back into the game? Usually profits go to CEOs, not necessarily development. WoW is a really good example. Burning Crusade came out before their cash shop, and you know what, the expansions that came after weren't necessarily better. That can be subjective, but even in that case I don't understand why people attach throwing more money at a game = a better game. I mean, just look at the Korean MMOs that have absolutely atrocious money schemes (RENTING cosmetic items? Wtf?) Those games are not at all better than say WoW vanilla, FFXI, or even GW1. I'm just saying, before throwing out opinions that we've read, maybe ask if this is really the case.

Arthur_Spoonfondle

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

As long as they are only cosmetic and fluff items, I have no problem with paid-for lockboxes. That way no-one gains any advantage from buying them, Zenimax get money to invest in the game from the gullible and there is no disadvantage for those us that choose to ignore them. I will certainly not be buying any of them, as has been my policy in other MMOs.

Garldeen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

As long as they are only cosmetic and fluff items, I have no problem with paid-for lockboxes. That way no-one gains any advantage from buying them, Zenimax get money to invest in the game from the gullible and there is no disadvantage for those us that choose to ignore them. I will certainly not be buying any of them, as has been my policy in other MMOs.

Something about the bolded part strikes me as a shady way to run one's business (not an attack on the poster, they just articulated what ZOS are doing)

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

We are allready seeing people leave.

I allready know people who are actively packing it in and looking for other games.

This will damage community relations. That is a given. There are better ways, to run your game.

Acharnor

I will probably never buy one! I hate throwing my money at something and hoping it gets me what I want. I would rather just buy the damn thing. But, those who wish to - enjoy. Roll the dice, spin the wheel - sometimes you'll win a Guar.

elvenmad

No, don't ever add these into the game.

rhapsodious wrote: »

Hm, the topic of discussion a couple of pages back brought up a really good point - the PTS.

When the PTS comes up, I sincerely hope it will have these crates available because you know someone is going to buy hundreds of them (since everything is 1 crown on the PTS) and collect that sweet, sweet data. That way we could get a more informed opinion as to how RNG-ey it is - yes, people are against it from the start and I can understand that, but if it's a 5% chance to get a limited mount instead of a .5% chance, then that's a step in the right direction.

So, here's hoping they're at least not going to be shady about that and let us approximate the odds before we spend real money.

well obviously on PTS they are going to drop tons of amazing items, its the place were ZOS can show how great they 'could' be and also some of the items they will contain (sorry 'could' contain) it is perfect marketing and advertising, but remember the drop rates of everything within the game are constantly monitored and 'tweaked' constantly , if anything just to keep a balance and steady flow of items. that happens with everything whether it has value or not.

I don't want to go into how these boxes actually work and how they are constantly manipulated to gain max returns in other games because some people simply will not understand and some still dont concerning RNG in online games

Lumenn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

We are allready seeing people leave.

I allready know people who are actively packing it in and looking for other games.

This will damage community relations. That is a given. There are better ways, to run your game.

Yes, there are 3 main ways to run a business. I mentioned them in my last post(not quoting it cause it's long and I loathe long quotes for a few sentences lol) they seem to have chosen the 3rd.

JD2013

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

I'll never buy one, but they don't ruin the game for me. I rarely look at the crown store, as it's not intrusive in the game.

eric_1961_ukb16_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Will never buy one. It's a good test of how much ZoS value customer feedback though considering how negative that feedback is. Any decent company getting this kind of backlash would take a step back and dump the idea, so how about it ZoS, what kind of company are you?

Altairien

Lottery boxes only make some sense if you can trade the items you don't want or already have (see SWTOR Cartel Market). The way they're apparently being implemented here makes absolutely no sense.

elvenmad

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Blade & Soul introduced rng lockboxes around a month after live launch to pretty much the same response on here, the Producers and community managers promised on live stream they would never be pay to win, they would never contain pay to win items.

A month later they announced a 'special' lockbox event were you could get exclusive gear upgrade items that were more powerful than the ingame ones also they could contain special weapon gems that would directly increase your power
and again live on live stream they sat there stating they game would NOT be pay to win.
Thier reasoning for this was, they said these items could also be dropped in game, BUT nobody ever saw them, the drop rate must of been like 10 million to one

so Yeah , seen it all before and heard it all before................