What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

wonkydog wrote: »

milkbox wrote: »

I am strangely addicted to this thread. I keep coming back to read every post.

It makes me wonder what dinner-time conversation is like @ZOS_GinaBruno 's house is like...

Same, well other than the unhealthy interest in what other people are having for dinner . I'll be gone when support confirm the process to close my account, but until then I'm drawn to this thread, even knowing that this change will not affect me

I wish you all the best, wonkydog, may you live long and prosper

Rohamad_Ali

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Recremen wrote: »

rhapsodious wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

[snip for brevity, but good counterpoints!]

I normally am all about consumer choice, except in this case someone else's choice is directly affecting the relationship I have with my service provider. I didn't buy 30k crowns hoping to gamble them away, I bought 30k crowns because there were some great items uncovered in a recent data mine and because I generally had faith that ZOS would keep coming out with great cosmetics, convenience items, etc. The entire nature of my transactions are going to be changed by these gambling boxes, though. I can no longer buy the things I want like a normal person, and instead have to be complicit with child gambling if I want some of the best-looking costumes and mounts.

Right, I can see where you're coming from there. The wavering faith, I think, is the crux of the issue here... the fear that this will lead to a slippery slope. I'm waiting for the red wolf mount, myself, because it's the closest thing to a red fox I'll probably ever get. I, perhaps optimistically, am assuming that they will continue to offer their limited stock and the crates will just be a grab bag to get stuff you already missed - but yes, the possibility/intent of putting exclusive items in these boxes with no other way to get them concerns me.

I guess, since it's pretty clear that ZOS intends to carry through with this, that we can just hope that they do it in a non-infuriating way. Especially since they have been doing a better job with communication and changing positions, lately... I think most of us just want marketing to not have an iron grip on the direction of the game.

They confirmed that there will be exclusive items only available in the gambling boxes in the same paragraph they announced the gambling boxes, so no luck there. Even if it were just about offering old items again, there's absolutely no reason to implement it using gambling boxes. They could simply do rolling sales. Or have an "oldie but goodie" tab of the Crown Store. Or even just not participate in an artificial scarcity economy to begin with. Instead, they're dressing up a gambling service with all the trimmings of previous player requests, but with -incredibly- poor odds of actually fulfilling player requests.

Keep in mind, a typical player requesting an old item to come back is thinking of a small selection of the previous stock. They do not consider anything else previously offered to have actual value. Yet it's all going to be up for grabs in the gambling boxes. That means players will have an incredibly poor chance of getting the item they want, while slowly filling up their collections tab with items that they find completely useless. If that's supposed to be delivering on player requests, then we need a new dang postal service.

When it comes down to it, there is no reason to accept gambling as a valid service for Zenimax to offer. We don't need to consign ourselves to anything like "but they seem intent on doing it". They've listened to player feedback before, and I believe it's possible to keep this filth out of the game if we're persistent in our message.

I'll be betting dollars to rubles a bunch of guys be getting wedding dresses on first crown store loot box bet . This will be most unpleasant for those who do not believe in marriage ...

Cousin_Idirfa

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I don't like where the business model is going. This goes against what they've shown in the past as far as rewarding player loyalty (crafting bags, costume die, loyalty mounts & pets). Now it appears that they are trying to squeeze the players who are interested in the cosmetic items (such as myself), the very players that have already been spending money on the game.

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Recremen wrote: »

rhapsodious wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

[snip for brevity, but good counterpoints!]

I normally am all about consumer choice, except in this case someone else's choice is directly affecting the relationship I have with my service provider. I didn't buy 30k crowns hoping to gamble them away, I bought 30k crowns because there were some great items uncovered in a recent data mine and because I generally had faith that ZOS would keep coming out with great cosmetics, convenience items, etc. The entire nature of my transactions are going to be changed by these gambling boxes, though. I can no longer buy the things I want like a normal person, and instead have to be complicit with child gambling if I want some of the best-looking costumes and mounts.

Right, I can see where you're coming from there. The wavering faith, I think, is the crux of the issue here... the fear that this will lead to a slippery slope. I'm waiting for the red wolf mount, myself, because it's the closest thing to a red fox I'll probably ever get. I, perhaps optimistically, am assuming that they will continue to offer their limited stock and the crates will just be a grab bag to get stuff you already missed - but yes, the possibility/intent of putting exclusive items in these boxes with no other way to get them concerns me.

I guess, since it's pretty clear that ZOS intends to carry through with this, that we can just hope that they do it in a non-infuriating way. Especially since they have been doing a better job with communication and changing positions, lately... I think most of us just want marketing to not have an iron grip on the direction of the game.

They confirmed that there will be exclusive items only available in the gambling boxes in the same paragraph they announced the gambling boxes, so no luck there. Even if it were just about offering old items again, there's absolutely no reason to implement it using gambling boxes. They could simply do rolling sales. Or have an "oldie but goodie" tab of the Crown Store. Or even just not participate in an artificial scarcity economy to begin with. Instead, they're dressing up a gambling service with all the trimmings of previous player requests, but with -incredibly- poor odds of actually fulfilling player requests.

Keep in mind, a typical player requesting an old item to come back is thinking of a small selection of the previous stock. They do not consider anything else previously offered to have actual value. Yet it's all going to be up for grabs in the gambling boxes. That means players will have an incredibly poor chance of getting the item they want, while slowly filling up their collections tab with items that they find completely useless. If that's supposed to be delivering on player requests, then we need a new dang postal service.

When it comes down to it, there is no reason to accept gambling as a valid service for Zenimax to offer. We don't need to consign ourselves to anything like "but they seem intent on doing it". They've listened to player feedback before, and I believe it's possible to keep this filth out of the game if we're persistent in our message.

To be fair, the initial info we had, before the video went up, said they'd only be re-releasing stuff, not using the boxes to sell new items. Of course, we found out they were being economical with the truth less than an hour later. But, if you're coming to the thread without having watched the video, that is the first version of the boxes you'll see.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Cousin_Idirfa wrote: »

I don't like where the business model is going. This goes against what they've shown in the past as far as rewarding player loyalty (crafting bags, costume die, loyalty mounts & pets). Now it appears that they are trying to squeeze the players who are interested in the cosmetic items (such as myself), the very players that have already been spending money on the game.

On the bright sight of it, I will not have to worry about crown store in this game anymore - they made the decision for me, they do not want my money in a fair and honest way, so they will not get it at all.

petraeus1

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

rhapsodious wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

[snip for brevity, but good counterpoints!]

I normally am all about consumer choice, except in this case someone else's choice is directly affecting the relationship I have with my service provider. I didn't buy 30k crowns hoping to gamble them away, I bought 30k crowns because there were some great items uncovered in a recent data mine and because I generally had faith that ZOS would keep coming out with great cosmetics, convenience items, etc. The entire nature of my transactions are going to be changed by these gambling boxes, though. I can no longer buy the things I want like a normal person, and instead have to be complicit with child gambling if I want some of the best-looking costumes and mounts.

Right, I can see where you're coming from there. The wavering faith, I think, is the crux of the issue here... the fear that this will lead to a slippery slope. I'm waiting for the red wolf mount, myself, because it's the closest thing to a red fox I'll probably ever get. I, perhaps optimistically, am assuming that they will continue to offer their limited stock and the crates will just be a grab bag to get stuff you already missed - but yes, the possibility/intent of putting exclusive items in these boxes with no other way to get them concerns me.

I guess, since it's pretty clear that ZOS intends to carry through with this, that we can just hope that they do it in a non-infuriating way. Especially since they have been doing a better job with communication and changing positions, lately... I think most of us just want marketing to not have an iron grip on the direction of the game.

Exactly. The moment the gamble boxes actually start containing something you want, you realize how crappy they are. And frankly I've only ever seen games do more with gamble boxes once they've started with them, never do less.

As far as trust in the marketing department goes, for me it already took a hit with the underwhelming implementation of the 'barber shop'. Now gamble boxes. The next thing on their list is undoubtedly housing - curious as to how that'll turn out.

Unless you've got a lot of money to spare, playing games with your credit card is not fun. And whatever you think about whether they can or can't, should or shouldn't implement gamble boxes, when it comes to it, I do not know anyone who actually likes using them. I did gamble boxes once upon a time, and all it did was leave me with the feeling I wasted my money. But hey, they got me, because they got something in there I really wanted. Never again though.

Xsorus

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Lysette wrote: »

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anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

What kind of a logic is that - do I have to stop drinking, just because I am pointing out that serving alcohol to alcoholics is a bad thing and preying on them?-

Pretty much this, yes.

Let's carry on with this very appropriate analogy. Let's assume ESO is a pub, and this pub serves alcohol (beer, wine, etc.) to a public among which, inevitably, some are alcoholics. You consider this normal.

Now this pub serves strong alcohol (whisky) on top of what it was already serving, and you're going all offended and crazy of how a PUB serves strong alcohol to people who might be alcoholic, and how bad and unethical it is.

My point is that, to an alcoholic, alcohol is alcohol, no matter if it is beer or whisky. People with ICD will most likely already be addicted to the game and/ot the crown store to the point where their real life (and real money) is already compromised. Lockboxes will not change that.

My other (related) point is that, just like the beverages industry and the pubs are making a profit (and thus partly "prey on") people who are addicted to alcohol, the videogame industry as a whole makes huge profits (and thus partly "prey on") people who have a gaming addiction, and/or a spending addiction. With or without lockboxes and gambling stuff.

Do I think one should suppress the pubs to protect alcoholics from their ICD/addiction ? No. I think it is their responsibility to avoid alcohol and temptation in general. Do I think video games should not exist to protect gaming addicts ? No.

But you think lockboxes and gambling systems should not exist at all in ESO just because it might be dangerous to some people. And if you think that way, then the only way to be consistent with yourself is to stop playing and supporting any kind of videogame - especially MMOs -, because this industry is, de facto, preying on our addictions of all kinds. Even though not all of us are addicted.

i play just casually and I have a drink or visit a pub once in a while - there is no reason for me to stop this behavior, because it is just a form of entertainment to me, I am not forced to do that by a mental disorder. So i can make the decision to play or drink and my life will not get out of order by this - but the same is not true for ICD people who lack the ability to reasonably control their behavior. Just like I would not support a pub, which would especially target alcoholics, I do no longer support this game with my money - ZOS is offering these boxes and I am no longer offering my money to them - this is my consequence of it and I am voicing my concerns loudly in an attempt to make others understand, what the problem here is.

Btw in London this problem with pubs is solved in an easy way - it is officially illegal to be drunk in a pub So any pub owner, who serves alcoholic beverages to customers to a point, where they get drunk, can be hold accountable just like the drunken guest itself.

But you can still serve alcoholic drinks right? You're basically demanding ZOS not to serve their customers or you'll walk.

Would you demand we stop serving alcohol in real life based on people with ICD? Nope? you know why? Because some people have to accept personal responsibility for themselves.

rhapsodious

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

starkerealm wrote: »

@rhapsodious, they've confirmed that there will be exclusive stuff in the crates. Probably the Wild Hunt and Attronach mounts to start, but who knows what else down the line.

Right, what I meant was "they say they'll do it now, but if everyone R I O T S then there is a non-zero chance that they would reconsider". Poor wording on my part, my bad.

Recremen wrote: »

They confirmed that there will be exclusive items only available in the gambling boxes in the same paragraph they announced the gambling boxes, so no luck there. Even if it were just about offering old items again, there's absolutely no reason to implement it using gambling boxes. They could simply do rolling sales. Or have an "oldie but goodie" tab of the Crown Store. Or even just not participate in an artificial scarcity economy to begin with. Instead, they're dressing up a gambling service with all the trimmings of previous player requests, but with -incredibly- poor odds of actually fulfilling player requests.

Keep in mind, a typical player requesting an old item to come back is thinking of a small selection of the previous stock. They do not consider anything else previously offered to have actual value. Yet it's all going to be up for grabs in the gambling boxes. That means players will have an incredibly poor chance of getting the item they want, while slowly filling up their collections tab with items that they find completely useless. If that's supposed to be delivering on player requests, then we need a new dang postal service.

When it comes down to it, there is no reason to accept gambling as a valid service for Zenimax to offer. We don't need to consign ourselves to anything like "but they seem intent on doing it". They've listened to player feedback before, and I believe it's possible to keep this filth out of the game if we're persistent in our message.

Yes, again, good points. (man this whole "reasonable conversation" thing instead of mud-slinging is so refreshing!) What I actually want/would be happy with if they insist on the gambling boxes is to put them in tandem with precisely what you said - bringing back limited items semi-regularly. I made that point in my break-of-dawn-nonsense post, but I think the best system for ZOS's coffers and player satisfaction would be to have both.

So, just as a quick and dirty example, the Frost Mare mount is available consistently from December 15-31st, but you could still get it in the middle of July if you buy the crate. Or, the Mind-Shriven skin is available on the 6th of each month, and only the 6th, but if it's the 15th and you NEEEEEED (read: want) it RIGHT. NOW. you could *** away your money on the crates.

I believe that with a system like that, if marketing is holding a metaphorical gun to their head saying "WE NEED RNG CRATES", that it wouldn't cause the uproar it's causing right now.

Lara1701

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MornaBaine wrote: »

I think that, for me, the single thing that is so disheartening about this is that there are pages and pages of player requests for crown store items that we are willing to pay for right here, solicited by ZOS themselves:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/146991/crown-store-item-wish-list/p1

And yet they have offered virtually NONE of it. And a great deal of it is EASY stuff, like polymorphs and costumes ALREADY IN GAME ASSETS. Virtually NO work required.

What do they do instead? The ONE thing players have overwhelmingly said we DON'T want to see ever since the first possibility of a cash shop came up: RNG Gambling Boxes. These were among the reasons I left SWTOR.

Exactly. Just sell us what we want. At least then lotto boxes could be tolerated (barely) on the side, but if I'm not getting what I want on any level when I'm one of many asking for it... wth? It makes no business sense.

Vikaernes

No, don't ever add these into the game.

If this poll is any indication on where the community stands, a full 66% of the population disagrees with these being implemented. I hope you are taking this information into consideration.

It would not bother me in the slightest if it was only items that were either previously discontinued, or are available for purchase outright in the crown store. If people are feeling lucky and want to gamble to save a few bucks? I see no issue with that. Exclusive items in the loot crates though, is the slippery slope. If you are not going to back down on the idea of these loot crates altogether, please reconsider this policy. There are more than enough games to point at that will show how this has turned out. One could make the case that these games have been very successful with their implementation, and have made them a lot of money, however the one common thread between all of those games is that each (STO, The Secret World, SWTOR, Wildstar just to name a few) Were struggling games before this implementation. while this sort of program may have brought them in more revenue from their current players, this has been at the cost of their reputation among both their players and the press.

This is not the case with ESO! I am of the opinion you are better than this, as are many of your patrons. If your presentation at E3 is any indication, you have a thriving, growing population and you enjoy a fairly unique position within the gaming press as being nearly universally praised for doing things the right way. Consider what sort of good will you may be sacrificing for this sort of program.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

No, don't ever add these into the game.

petraeus1 wrote: »

As far as trust in the marketing department goes, for me it already took a hit with the underwhelming implementation of the 'barber shop'. Now gamble boxes. The next thing on their list is undoubtedly housing - curious as to how that'll turn out.

Oh sweet stars above HOUSING. I completely concur that the rate things are going housing is going to to be a complete nickle-and-dime MESS of Crown spending. And I was looking forward to it too...

catsgomeow

No, don't ever add these into the game.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for your thoughts on the upcoming Crown Crates, everyone. Just want to clarify a few points -

First, Crown Crates will be available later this year, and will only include cosmetic or convenience items. You'll find things like potions and other consumables, pets, costumes, and - yes - sometimes even mounts. This will give you a chance to try and obtain previous limited time offers, or even some very unique items as Matt mentioned. It will not include things like armor or weapons.

In the event you get an item that you already own, you can exchange it for a currency called Crown Gems which will allow you to buy a different item of your choice.

Or you could just put those items back in the store for a limited time without making people waste money on gambling, i for one will never ever touch a lock box, never have in any mmo and never will, if its not in the store where i can buy it out right, its not going into my account.

Cazzy

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Just bought FFXIV Downloading now. ESO sub cancelled.

@wonkydog I know you've deleted your account but if you want to keep in touch just Google/Facebook Cazzy Black! I wish you and you partner the best

Rohamad_Ali

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I am not leaving and am saddened in seeing other leave . I will continue to frown on this and telling bad jokes until moderators sending me to Mos Eisley Cantina to become space Khajiit on prison planet dead game .

Cazzy

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I am not leaving and am saddened in seeing other leave . I will continue to frown on this and telling bad jokes until moderators sending me to Mos Eisley Cantina to become space Khajiit on prison planet dead game .

I'm still hanging out for now because I've made some good friends here They just don't have my support, time or money now. If they revert it I will come back. Otherwise I'll be at the funeral

Molag_Crow

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

I quit Blade & Soul because of their obsession with RNG loot boxes in their store, BUT if these RNG boxes are purely cosmetic, like Mounts, Hairstyles,(?) Costumes, Pets then there's nothing wrong with them, at all.

Who cares if some guy spends his wages on them if they'll only give cosmetic items?

Blade & Soul (NCSOFT) done it in the worse way. They added special, unique gems that made your weapon more powerful, material upgrades to upgrade your gear and weapon and a lot of other items to sell for tons of gold as well as a few cosmetic items, THAT'S why a lot of people quit.

Recremen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Xsorus wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

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anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

What kind of a logic is that - do I have to stop drinking, just because I am pointing out that serving alcohol to alcoholics is a bad thing and preying on them?-

Pretty much this, yes.

Let's carry on with this very appropriate analogy. Let's assume ESO is a pub, and this pub serves alcohol (beer, wine, etc.) to a public among which, inevitably, some are alcoholics. You consider this normal.

Now this pub serves strong alcohol (whisky) on top of what it was already serving, and you're going all offended and crazy of how a PUB serves strong alcohol to people who might be alcoholic, and how bad and unethical it is.

My point is that, to an alcoholic, alcohol is alcohol, no matter if it is beer or whisky. People with ICD will most likely already be addicted to the game and/ot the crown store to the point where their real life (and real money) is already compromised. Lockboxes will not change that.

My other (related) point is that, just like the beverages industry and the pubs are making a profit (and thus partly "prey on") people who are addicted to alcohol, the videogame industry as a whole makes huge profits (and thus partly "prey on") people who have a gaming addiction, and/or a spending addiction. With or without lockboxes and gambling stuff.

Do I think one should suppress the pubs to protect alcoholics from their ICD/addiction ? No. I think it is their responsibility to avoid alcohol and temptation in general. Do I think video games should not exist to protect gaming addicts ? No.

But you think lockboxes and gambling systems should not exist at all in ESO just because it might be dangerous to some people. And if you think that way, then the only way to be consistent with yourself is to stop playing and supporting any kind of videogame - especially MMOs -, because this industry is, de facto, preying on our addictions of all kinds. Even though not all of us are addicted.

i play just casually and I have a drink or visit a pub once in a while - there is no reason for me to stop this behavior, because it is just a form of entertainment to me, I am not forced to do that by a mental disorder. So i can make the decision to play or drink and my life will not get out of order by this - but the same is not true for ICD people who lack the ability to reasonably control their behavior. Just like I would not support a pub, which would especially target alcoholics, I do no longer support this game with my money - ZOS is offering these boxes and I am no longer offering my money to them - this is my consequence of it and I am voicing my concerns loudly in an attempt to make others understand, what the problem here is.

Btw in London this problem with pubs is solved in an easy way - it is officially illegal to be drunk in a pub So any pub owner, who serves alcoholic beverages to customers to a point, where they get drunk, can be hold accountable just like the drunken guest itself.

But you can still serve alcoholic drinks right? You're basically demanding ZOS not to serve their customers or you'll walk.

Would you demand we stop serving alcohol in real life based on people with ICD? Nope? you know why? Because some people have to accept personal responsibility for themselves.

You're acting like ZOS was already in the business of gambling and that we're trying to get it shut down, but this is not the case. To try to fit your analogy in, it's more like as if ZOS has been running a daycare, and suddenly reported that they're planning on selling alcoholic drinks. That's a bad enough combo to begin with, when suddenly you realize that they're actually selling sippy cups with an unknown liquid inside of it, and you have to buy it to find out what it is. 50% of the time it's just plain water, 30% of the time it's apple juice, 15% of the time it's soda and 5% of the time it's some kind of alcohol. And due to a legal loophole, they're also selling these sippy cups to children. There is additionally no bartender there to tell you when you've "had enough", no typical social protections you'd expect in a bar, and you also leased their services so if you wanted to leave in protest you still sunk the cost of the contract.

Rohamad_Ali

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Molag_Crow wrote: »

I quit Blade & Soul because of their obsession with RNG loot boxes in their store, BUT if these RNG boxes are purely cosmetic, like Mounts, Hairstyles,(?) Costumes, Pets then there's nothing wrong with them, at all.

Who cares if some guy spends his wages on them if they'll only give cosmetic items?

Blade & Soul (NCSOFT) done it in the worse way. They added special, unique gems that made your weapon more powerful, material upgrades to upgrade your gear and weapon and a lot of other items to sell for tons of gold as well as a few cosmetic items, THAT'S why a lot of people quit.

There is no denying this but BoS started out as F2P from start so was expected this as revenue to pay for servers and development . There was no deception there , everyone knew . Here we were told we would not see this .

Lara1701

No, don't ever add these into the game.

catsgomeow wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for your thoughts on the upcoming Crown Crates, everyone. Just want to clarify a few points -

First, Crown Crates will be available later this year, and will only include cosmetic or convenience items. You'll find things like potions and other consumables, pets, costumes, and - yes - sometimes even mounts. This will give you a chance to try and obtain previous limited time offers, or even some very unique items as Matt mentioned. It will not include things like armor or weapons.

In the event you get an item that you already own, you can exchange it for a currency called Crown Gems which will allow you to buy a different item of your choice.

Or you could just put those items back in the store for a limited time without making people waste money on gambling, i for one will never ever touch a lock box, never have in any mmo and never will, if its not in the store where i can buy it out right, its not going into my account.

Imagine you go to the store with a list of things you want, but the store will only sell you mystery boxes that might contain the items you desire.

It's not a very fun way to bake a cake, is it?

Gina, I appreciate there are only cosmetic or convenience items in these crates. However, having unique items in them that you've deliberately given a short time in the store in order to make us gamble for them isn't cool. It's dirty pool, old man.

Going back to baking a cake... let those of us who want to bake, buy our specifically desired ingredients. We win. You win. What's the hang-up ZOS has? It wants to dangle things in front of us and force us to gamble? Those of us with RL and kids and/or jobs sometimes might not log in for two weeks. The way the Crown Store has worked lately that means we've missed some deals. It's just not a very mature, polite, or reasonable way to treat customers!

You've got such an incredible game. Why can't the store be run with the same quality it is developed in?

Molag_Crow

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

I quit Blade & Soul because of their obsession with RNG loot boxes in their store, BUT if these RNG boxes are purely cosmetic, like Mounts, Hairstyles,(?) Costumes, Pets then there's nothing wrong with them, at all.

Who cares if some guy spends his wages on them if they'll only give cosmetic items?

Blade & Soul (NCSOFT) done it in the worse way. They added special, unique gems that made your weapon more powerful, material upgrades to upgrade your gear and weapon and a lot of other items to sell for tons of gold as well as a few cosmetic items, THAT'S why a lot of people quit.

There is no denying this but BoS started out as F2P from start so was expected this as revenue to pay for servers and development . There was no deception there , everyone knew . Here we were told we would not see this .

"There will never be pay to win in the Crown Store, they played BDO too and they hate what they did."

Recremen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Just for clarification I'm not threatening to leave or unsubscribe over this, but I 100% empathize with the people who are.

Smasherx74

TERRIBLE decision by ZOS.

Cazzy

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

I quit Blade & Soul because of their obsession with RNG loot boxes in their store, BUT if these RNG boxes are purely cosmetic, like Mounts, Hairstyles,(?) Costumes, Pets then there's nothing wrong with them, at all.

Who cares if some guy spends his wages on them if they'll only give cosmetic items?

Blade & Soul (NCSOFT) done it in the worse way. They added special, unique gems that made your weapon more powerful, material upgrades to upgrade your gear and weapon and a lot of other items to sell for tons of gold as well as a few cosmetic items, THAT'S why a lot of people quit.

There is no denying this but BoS started out as F2P from start so was expected this as revenue to pay for servers and development . There was no deception there , everyone knew . Here we were told we would not see this .

"There will never be pay to win in the Crown Store, they played BDO too and they hate what they did."

They also said no RNG boxes There's a few links in this thread somewhere xD

Rohamad_Ali

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

I quit Blade & Soul because of their obsession with RNG loot boxes in their store, BUT if these RNG boxes are purely cosmetic, like Mounts, Hairstyles,(?) Costumes, Pets then there's nothing wrong with them, at all.

Who cares if some guy spends his wages on them if they'll only give cosmetic items?

Blade & Soul (NCSOFT) done it in the worse way. They added special, unique gems that made your weapon more powerful, material upgrades to upgrade your gear and weapon and a lot of other items to sell for tons of gold as well as a few cosmetic items, THAT'S why a lot of people quit.

There is no denying this but BoS started out as F2P from start so was expected this as revenue to pay for servers and development . There was no deception there , everyone knew . Here we were told we would not see this .

"There will never be pay to win in the Crown Store, they played BDO too and they hate what they did."

We will see how long this statement lasts here . ZOS will have to pardon my lack of faith as we were also told the same about loot boxes ever being added to crown store .

Lara1701

No, don't ever add these into the game.

https://youtu.be/yKIiUsbOO24

Like Dara said, we're in our twenties, thirties, forties, fifties... we already unlocked content with our credit cards. We don't have time or money to waste gambling. We are adults. We want to buy the content we want! Not buy packages of cracker jacks with our lunch money in the hopes of getting a decoder ring.

Treat us with a little dignity and respect. Don't insult your customers. Listen to us. Please? That's all we want. To feel listened to, appreciated, valued... and "listened to" means you actually take things we say and apply them. It doesn't mean you listen and never give any indication you knew we were talking.

Esquire1980g_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Recremen wrote: »

rhapsodious wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

[snip for brevity, but good counterpoints!]

I normally am all about consumer choice, except in this case someone else's choice is directly affecting the relationship I have with my service provider. I didn't buy 30k crowns hoping to gamble them away, I bought 30k crowns because there were some great items uncovered in a recent data mine and because I generally had faith that ZOS would keep coming out with great cosmetics, convenience items, etc. The entire nature of my transactions are going to be changed by these gambling boxes, though. I can no longer buy the things I want like a normal person, and instead have to be complicit with child gambling if I want some of the best-looking costumes and mounts.

Right, I can see where you're coming from there. The wavering faith, I think, is the crux of the issue here... the fear that this will lead to a slippery slope. I'm waiting for the red wolf mount, myself, because it's the closest thing to a red fox I'll probably ever get. I, perhaps optimistically, am assuming that they will continue to offer their limited stock and the crates will just be a grab bag to get stuff you already missed - but yes, the possibility/intent of putting exclusive items in these boxes with no other way to get them concerns me.

I guess, since it's pretty clear that ZOS intends to carry through with this, that we can just hope that they do it in a non-infuriating way. Especially since they have been doing a better job with communication and changing positions, lately... I think most of us just want marketing to not have an iron grip on the direction of the game.

They confirmed that there will be exclusive items only available in the gambling boxes in the same paragraph they announced the gambling boxes, so no luck there. Even if it were just about offering old items again, there's absolutely no reason to implement it using gambling boxes. They could simply do rolling sales. Or have an "oldie but goodie" tab of the Crown Store. Or even just not participate in an artificial scarcity economy to begin with. Instead, they're dressing up a gambling service with all the trimmings of previous player requests, but with -incredibly- poor odds of actually fulfilling player requests.

Keep in mind, a typical player requesting an old item to come back is thinking of a small selection of the previous stock. They do not consider anything else previously offered to have actual value. Yet it's all going to be up for grabs in the gambling boxes. That means players will have an incredibly poor chance of getting the item they want, while slowly filling up their collections tab with items that they find completely useless. If that's supposed to be delivering on player requests, then we need a new dang postal service.

When it comes down to it, there is no reason to accept gambling as a valid service for Zenimax to offer. We don't need to consign ourselves to anything like "but they seem intent on doing it". They've listened to player feedback before, and I believe it's possible to keep this filth out of the game if we're persistent in our message.

In 20/20 hindsight, it appears to me that ZOS created this problem so they could then, in turn, bring on the solution and have an excuse for going back on their statements of "we have no plans......". It wasn't that long ago that everything was in the Crown store, then mysteriously, the "limited time offers" began to roll. Threads popped up about the practice with no answer, and now, just a few weeks later, we find out what ZOS has planned about it. And not only for those specific "limited time" problem(s), they also include items never before seen with many more to come.

They can say, all they want, how "it's only going to be cosmetics" but if they can create a problem to bring on a solution, they can certainly do it all over again to justify "selling power". Anyone who believe this not to be the case, better have a good look at EVERY OTHER GAME that's put these things in.

This was planned, not very well, but very planned, indeed. If it was planned well, it surely wouldn't be so easy to see.

The part I'd like to see answered is......., WHY? Why stoop to a situation where your employees have made statements directly against? What is the direct need? Is the game not doing no where near as well as they'd like us to believe? Everyone, including the people who are in the "defense force" knows this is nothing more than a cash grab. Are all the people I see in starter zones just F2P-ers that do not spend a dime? If we have 7 million players, the crafting bag brought on soooo many more subs, the crown store is doing so great they can make limited time offers, WHY have "lockboxes" in the 1st place?

UltimaJoe777

This has to be the most active thread in the history of these forums. 2 days and already over 1,000 comments and over 17,000 views!

dsalter

No, don't ever add these into the game.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

This has to be the most active thread in the history of these forums. 2 days and already over 1,000 comments and over 17,000 views!

cause it's something that'll shake the foundations of the game

UltimaJoe777

dsalter wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

This has to be the most active thread in the history of these forums. 2 days and already over 1,000 comments and over 17,000 views!

cause it's something that'll shake the foundations of the game

What foundations? It's just a mystery box full of other Crown Store items and RNGeebus' plot to take all your money. You don't HAVE to buy them you know...

JD2013

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

This has to be the most active thread in the history of these forums. 2 days and already over 1,000 comments and over 17,000 views!

cause it's something that'll shake the foundations of the game

What foundations? It's just a mystery box full of other Crown Store items and RNGeebus' plot to take all your money. You don't HAVE to buy them you know...

Don't use that argument. It's just going round in circles now sadly. I tried that one.