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What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »This has to be the most active thread in the history of these forums. 2 days and already over 1,000 comments and over 17,000 views!
cause it's something that'll shake the foundations of the game
What foundations? It's just a mystery box full of other Crown Store items and RNGeebus' plot to take all your money. You don't HAVE to buy them you know...
Don't use that argument. It's just going round in circles now sadly. I tried that one.
It's true though, you really don't and I for one will not buy them. If you choose to buy it all consequences and/or benefits are on you, not Zenimax. In short, purchase with caution.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on August 21, 2016 8:31PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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JD2013✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gambleUltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »This has to be the most active thread in the history of these forums. 2 days and already over 1,000 comments and over 17,000 views!
cause it's something that'll shake the foundations of the game
What foundations? It's just a mystery box full of other Crown Store items and RNGeebus' plot to take all your money. You don't HAVE to buy them you know...
Don't use that argument. It's just going round in circles now sadly. I tried that one.
It's true though, you really don't and I for one will not buy them. If you choose to buy it all consequences and/or benefits are on you, not Zenimax. In short, purchase with caution.
Oh I completely agree with you. But apparently ZOS are preying on people with gambling addictions and trying to financially ruin people. I'm trying to understand every side of the argument but I just can't see it.Sweetrolls for all!
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Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsUltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »This has to be the most active thread in the history of these forums. 2 days and already over 1,000 comments and over 17,000 views!
cause it's something that'll shake the foundations of the game
What foundations? It's just a mystery box full of other Crown Store items and RNGeebus' plot to take all your money. You don't HAVE to buy them you know...
I take it youve never played a game with this sort of gambling mechanic in it have you? These things take up the majority of the developers resources while other things like content (Wrothgar, IC, TG, DB) take a back seat.
Funny how this last update and the next one wont be content heavy. But we've been seeing months and months of datamined items meant for the Crown Store. Or so we thought. Wheres Murkmire or Clockwork City?Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax4 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »This has to be the most active thread in the history of these forums. 2 days and already over 1,000 comments and over 17,000 views!
cause it's something that'll shake the foundations of the game
What foundations? It's just a mystery box full of other Crown Store items and RNGeebus' plot to take all your money. You don't HAVE to buy them you know...
Don't use that argument. It's just going round in circles now sadly. I tried that one.
It's true though, you really don't and I for one will not buy them. If you choose to buy it all consequences and/or benefits are on you, not Zenimax. In short, purchase with caution.
Oh I completely agree with you. But apparently ZOS are preying on people with gambling addictions and trying to financially ruin people. I'm trying to understand every side of the argument but I just can't see it.
Well it really depends on a few factors.
1. How much money the consumer has to burn on these things.
2. How badly the consumer wants what is available from them.
3. Whether they have the crowns to burn on this stuff or not.
Mind you #3 isn't a big reason but still lol as for me I've been there and done that and don't ever plan to again. It's all about willpower and self-control!Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »This has to be the most active thread in the history of these forums. 2 days and already over 1,000 comments and over 17,000 views!
cause it's something that'll shake the foundations of the game
What foundations? It's just a mystery box full of other Crown Store items and RNGeebus' plot to take all your money. You don't HAVE to buy them you know...
Don't use that argument. It's just going round in circles now sadly. I tried that one.
It's true though, you really don't and I for one will not buy them. If you choose to buy it all consequences and/or benefits are on you, not Zenimax. In short, purchase with caution.
it's not the box. it's the direction greed is taking ESO, this will only be the start of them milking the game if they can get just a few gamble addicts they'll push things more into the boxes and over time when the addicts finally stop contributing due to lack of interest they'll put more tantalising things into it. i'll leave this part up to you to think about.
but i'v seen many a game die because of this path, several were my favourite, ESO is my fave atm and this time i wont let them kill it.PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »This has to be the most active thread in the history of these forums. 2 days and already over 1,000 comments and over 17,000 views!
cause it's something that'll shake the foundations of the game
What foundations? It's just a mystery box full of other Crown Store items and RNGeebus' plot to take all your money. You don't HAVE to buy them you know...
Don't use that argument. It's just going round in circles now sadly. I tried that one.
It's true though, you really don't and I for one will not buy them. If you choose to buy it all consequences and/or benefits are on you, not Zenimax. In short, purchase with caution.
it's not the box. it's the direction greed is taking ESO, this will only be the start of them milking the game if they can get just a few gamble addicts they'll push things more into the boxes and over time when the addicts finally stop contributing due to lack of interest they'll put more tantalising things into it. i'll leave this part up to you to think about.
but i'v seen many a game die because of this path, several were my favourite, ESO is my fave atm and this time i wont let them kill it.
Just because Zenimax is adding mystery boxes doesn't mean they'll make the game P2W (more than they already have anyway, which so far is mild enough to overlook).Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Again, it's not about the boxes. It's about who's selling them, why they're selling them, the mistruths told and the apparent direction of the game.8 -
dsalter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »This has to be the most active thread in the history of these forums. 2 days and already over 1,000 comments and over 17,000 views!
cause it's something that'll shake the foundations of the game
What foundations? It's just a mystery box full of other Crown Store items and RNGeebus' plot to take all your money. You don't HAVE to buy them you know...
Don't use that argument. It's just going round in circles now sadly. I tried that one.
It's true though, you really don't and I for one will not buy them. If you choose to buy it all consequences and/or benefits are on you, not Zenimax. In short, purchase with caution.
it's not the box. it's the direction greed is taking ESO, this will only be the start of them milking the game if they can get just a few gamble addicts they'll push things more into the boxes and over time when the addicts finally stop contributing due to lack of interest they'll put more tantalising things into it. i'll leave this part up to you to think about.
but i'v seen many a game die because of this path, several were my favourite, ESO is my fave atm and this time i wont let them kill it.
Just because Zenimax is adding mystery boxes doesn't mean they'll make the game P2W (more than they already have anyway, which so far is mild enough to overlook).
doesnt mean that they wont either, but so far the pattern is following many of the games of mine that died, and it's not a pleasant pattern, it'll start slow, it always does, the fact theres box exclusives already in them means this was planned for a long time.
trust me if this is allowed to fester it'll grow, like a plague, cull it before it starts doing damage.PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »This has to be the most active thread in the history of these forums. 2 days and already over 1,000 comments and over 17,000 views!
cause it's something that'll shake the foundations of the game
What foundations? It's just a mystery box full of other Crown Store items and RNGeebus' plot to take all your money. You don't HAVE to buy them you know...
Don't use that argument. It's just going round in circles now sadly. I tried that one.
It's true though, you really don't and I for one will not buy them. If you choose to buy it all consequences and/or benefits are on you, not Zenimax. In short, purchase with caution.
it's not the box. it's the direction greed is taking ESO, this will only be the start of them milking the game if they can get just a few gamble addicts they'll push things more into the boxes and over time when the addicts finally stop contributing due to lack of interest they'll put more tantalising things into it. i'll leave this part up to you to think about.
but i'v seen many a game die because of this path, several were my favourite, ESO is my fave atm and this time i wont let them kill it.
Just because Zenimax is adding mystery boxes doesn't mean they'll make the game P2W (more than they already have anyway, which so far is mild enough to overlook).
doesnt mean that they wont either, but so far the pattern is following many of the games of mine that died, and it's not a pleasant pattern, it'll start slow, it always does, the fact theres box exclusives already in them means this was planned for a long time.
trust me if this is allowed to fester it'll grow, like a plague, cull it before it starts doing damage.
Zenimax knows they will lose players fast if they go P2W. WW and Vamp Skill Lines is as far as it goes, otherwise they WILL doom their game, and they know that.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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elvenmad✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »This has to be the most active thread in the history of these forums. 2 days and already over 1,000 comments and over 17,000 views!
cause it's something that'll shake the foundations of the game
What foundations? It's just a mystery box full of other Crown Store items and RNGeebus' plot to take all your money. You don't HAVE to buy them you know...
Don't use that argument. It's just going round in circles now sadly. I tried that one.
It's true though, you really don't and I for one will not buy them. If you choose to buy it all consequences and/or benefits are on you, not Zenimax. In short, purchase with caution.
it's not the box. it's the direction greed is taking ESO, this will only be the start of them milking the game if they can get just a few gamble addicts they'll push things more into the boxes and over time when the addicts finally stop contributing due to lack of interest they'll put more tantalising things into it. i'll leave this part up to you to think about.
but i'v seen many a game die because of this path, several were my favourite, ESO is my fave atm and this time i wont let them kill it.
Just because Zenimax is adding mystery boxes doesn't mean they'll make the game P2W (more than they already have anyway, which so far is mild enough to overlook).
No is does not, but the temptation and the minimal work from them to create so much income from literally nothing will....in the end be too much to resist, just has this system has done with EVERY other MMO that as introduced cash shop 'loot boxes'
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JD2013✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gambleKorah_Eaglecry wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »This has to be the most active thread in the history of these forums. 2 days and already over 1,000 comments and over 17,000 views!
cause it's something that'll shake the foundations of the game
What foundations? It's just a mystery box full of other Crown Store items and RNGeebus' plot to take all your money. You don't HAVE to buy them you know...
I take it youve never played a game with this sort of gambling mechanic in it have you? These things take up the majority of the developers resources while other things like content (Wrothgar, IC, TG, DB) take a back seat.
Funny how this last update and the next one wont be content heavy. But we've been seeing months and months of datamined items meant for the Crown Store. Or so we thought. Wheres Murkmire or Clockwork City?
See, I'm also disappointed there's no DLC patch but the size of the base patch coming in update 12 is massive. They're fundementally changing a ton of the base game.
And it'll give me time to play Final Fantasy XV whilst popping on here to do dailies and dungeons and the festivals randomly.Edited by JD2013 on August 21, 2016 8:52PMSweetrolls for all!
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Esquire1980g_ESO✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »This has to be the most active thread in the history of these forums. 2 days and already over 1,000 comments and over 17,000 views!
cause it's something that'll shake the foundations of the game
What foundations? It's just a mystery box full of other Crown Store items and RNGeebus' plot to take all your money. You don't HAVE to buy them you know...
Don't use that argument. It's just going round in circles now sadly. I tried that one.
It's true though, you really don't and I for one will not buy them. If you choose to buy it all consequences and/or benefits are on you, not Zenimax. In short, purchase with caution.
it's not the box. it's the direction greed is taking ESO, this will only be the start of them milking the game if they can get just a few gamble addicts they'll push things more into the boxes and over time when the addicts finally stop contributing due to lack of interest they'll put more tantalising things into it. i'll leave this part up to you to think about.
but i'v seen many a game die because of this path, several were my favourite, ESO is my fave atm and this time i wont let them kill it.
Just because Zenimax is adding mystery boxes doesn't mean they'll make the game P2W (more than they already have anyway, which so far is mild enough to overlook).
Go try Star Trek Online. I was a beta vet there also. I seen the way it happens.
ZOS must figure that we're not spending enough in the crown store to suit their purposes. That need, or want, will still exist WHEN (not if) the playerbase figures out they don't need cosmetics (there's 1 gameplay system out the window, so much for collectors that were in SWG) and the sales drop off. But, but, but, that need for more money will still be there. Then you'll see 1 ship called the Defiant......., uhhhh, 1 piece of monster armor make it's showing, then another, then another, then another, a couple of pieces of lockbox only jewelry (after all, they've already said they'll have stuff not by any other way to get them) until it's now the norm and total game progress comes out of the store. PVP will die a rather nasty looking death, forums will erupt. Devs will answer the PVP problem by making a post in the PVP forums of "we could take PVP totally out of the game and no1 would even notice". Then? There's only a few "whales" left to support the entire thing so the prices HAVE to rise. How about $170.00 ships, or $200.00+ sets?
You get the picture yet?4 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »This has to be the most active thread in the history of these forums. 2 days and already over 1,000 comments and over 17,000 views!
cause it's something that'll shake the foundations of the game
What foundations? It's just a mystery box full of other Crown Store items and RNGeebus' plot to take all your money. You don't HAVE to buy them you know...
Don't use that argument. It's just going round in circles now sadly. I tried that one.
It's true though, you really don't and I for one will not buy them. If you choose to buy it all consequences and/or benefits are on you, not Zenimax. In short, purchase with caution.
it's not the box. it's the direction greed is taking ESO, this will only be the start of them milking the game if they can get just a few gamble addicts they'll push things more into the boxes and over time when the addicts finally stop contributing due to lack of interest they'll put more tantalising things into it. i'll leave this part up to you to think about.
but i'v seen many a game die because of this path, several were my favourite, ESO is my fave atm and this time i wont let them kill it.
Just because Zenimax is adding mystery boxes doesn't mean they'll make the game P2W (more than they already have anyway, which so far is mild enough to overlook).
Go try Star Trek Online. I was a beta vet there also. I seen the way it happens.
ZOS must figure that we're not spending enough in the crown store to suit their purposes. That need, or want, will still exist WHEN (not if) the playerbase figures out they don't need cosmetics (there's 1 gameplay system out the window, so much for collectors that were in SWG) and the sales drop off. But, but, but, that need for more money will still be there. Then you'll see 1 ship called the Defiant......., uhhhh, 1 piece of monster armor make it's showing, then another, then another, then another, a couple of pieces of lockbox only jewelry (after all, they've already said they'll have stuff not by any other way to get them) until it's now the norm and total game progress comes out of the store. PVP will die a rather nasty looking death, forums will erupt. Devs will answer the PVP problem by making a post in the PVP forums of "we could take PVP totally out of the game and no1 would even notice". Then? There's only a few "whales" left to support the entire thing so the prices HAVE to rise. How about $170.00 ships, or $200.00+ sets?
You get the picture yet?
I already SEE the picture, the big one, and all of the angles it contains. I also see a lot of paranoia about this being the gateway to P2W, and that fear has been manifest many times before. We are STILL not buying equipment or anything worthwhile that is useful in combat despite those fears.
Do YOU get the picture yet?
Despite how many other games have this system, it does not automatically mean Zenimax will do EXACTLY what they did. In fact, the main reasons for them doing this are actually unique far as the games I've played that had these boxes are concerned.
Believe me, I get why people want this to not happen, I really do, but it's going to anyway and it won't harm anyone that doesn't buy it so I really don't care about them adding it.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on August 21, 2016 8:56PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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OMA✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.@ZOS_GinaBruno - Please do not introduce such a GAMBLING mechanic into the crown store.
Why not just offer these limited offer items up every so often during the course of a year. Say it was available for only 3 days last year, then make it available this year for 3 days.
I really hate the RNG, Gambling, GOTCHA, cash grab that is so typical of MMO's these days. I thought ESO would be special and different in this regard.
I want to just buy what I want not to spend my hard earned RL cash for a 'chance' to get what I wanted.
Please just reconsider this. If it's limited then make it limited offer every year so new players have a chance to buy it. Please don't make this MMO JUST LIKE all the others when it comes to the cash shop. Thank you.11 -
Morimizo✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gambleEsquire1980g_ESO wrote: »
The part I'd like to see answered is......., WHY? Why stoop to a situation where your employees have made statements directly against? What is the direct need? Is the game not doing no where near as well as they'd like us to believe? Everyone, including the people who are in the "defense force" knows this is nothing more than a cash grab. Are all the people I see in starter zones just F2P-ers that do not spend a dime? If we have 7 million players, the crafting bag brought on soooo many more subs, the crown store is doing so great they can make limited time offers, WHY have "lockboxes" in the 1st place?
Because they have the Gold Sickness, like Oakenshield. It's not enough to sit on a mountain of gold (seriously, how much cash was made on the Dro'mathra Senche?), they have to send their agents out into every village on Middle Earth with Shell Games in hand.
"Come one, come all, you can win a new pony!! Just guess the right shell the gold coin is in, and it's yours!! Even if you guess the wrong shell, there will be consolation prizes! Wonderful things, like a bottle of poison, or a necrotic hoarvor! It's wondrous! Amazing!"
As far as we know, the shell game is rigged. Compared to other RNGs in this game alone, there's probably a .01% chance of getting the pony (or Wild Hunt Senche mount, for example, in our case). Sure, a few folks will win, and will win quickly; but that can be programmed in to entice others to keep playing. Why should we trust them when running a dishonest scheme to be honest and above-board?
I certainly will not participate in this gambling.
I do expect that the lure of great riches will be too much for the master bean-counters, and eventually weapons, armor, skill point packs, even pre-made fully-maxed characters, will be exclusively included.
I think it was @Elijah_Crow that wrote earlier about the ESO Crown Store being the most ethical of any MMO...well that's like saying someone is the "least violent" druglord. Praising with faint [snip]], don't you think?
Or is it [snip] with faint Praises?
[edited for bypassing the filter]Edited by ZOS_Ragnar on August 22, 2016 1:33PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Joe , people have been burned in other MMOs by this .The concept of just don't buy them in a argument is dead . It's the past problems in other titles and the change in focus of development that is the concern . More then the dirty lock boxes themselves .
No ones holding a gun to our head to buy them yes . No one is holding a gun to anyone's head if the game goes to s*** either to keep us playing . We know this . It doesn't add any positive feedback as to why the game needs this feature . There is no need , just greed . They could add those old crown store items back for direct purchase again so the NEED for this does not exist except in people's imagination . Why would we ever support dev time wasted on things we don't have a need for ? We wouldn't.
With Matt's announced of this and adding there's 7million players now, we know the games survivability is not dependent on this . There adding something not needed end of story . Total waste of dev time .8 -
elvenmad✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »This has to be the most active thread in the history of these forums. 2 days and already over 1,000 comments and over 17,000 views!
cause it's something that'll shake the foundations of the game
What foundations? It's just a mystery box full of other Crown Store items and RNGeebus' plot to take all your money. You don't HAVE to buy them you know...
Don't use that argument. It's just going round in circles now sadly. I tried that one.
It's true though, you really don't and I for one will not buy them. If you choose to buy it all consequences and/or benefits are on you, not Zenimax. In short, purchase with caution.
it's not the box. it's the direction greed is taking ESO, this will only be the start of them milking the game if they can get just a few gamble addicts they'll push things more into the boxes and over time when the addicts finally stop contributing due to lack of interest they'll put more tantalising things into it. i'll leave this part up to you to think about.
but i'v seen many a game die because of this path, several were my favourite, ESO is my fave atm and this time i wont let them kill it.
Just because Zenimax is adding mystery boxes doesn't mean they'll make the game P2W (more than they already have anyway, which so far is mild enough to overlook).
Go try Star Trek Online. I was a beta vet there also. I seen the way it happens.
ZOS must figure that we're not spending enough in the crown store to suit their purposes. That need, or want, will still exist WHEN (not if) the playerbase figures out they don't need cosmetics (there's 1 gameplay system out the window, so much for collectors that were in SWG) and the sales drop off. But, but, but, that need for more money will still be there. Then you'll see 1 ship called the Defiant......., uhhhh, 1 piece of monster armor make it's showing, then another, then another, then another, a couple of pieces of lockbox only jewelry (after all, they've already said they'll have stuff not by any other way to get them) until it's now the norm and total game progress comes out of the store. PVP will die a rather nasty looking death, forums will erupt. Devs will answer the PVP problem by making a post in the PVP forums of "we could take PVP totally out of the game and no1 would even notice". Then? There's only a few "whales" left to support the entire thing so the prices HAVE to rise. How about $170.00 ships, or $200.00+ sets?
You get the picture yet?
I already SEE the picture, the big one, and all of the angles it contains. I also see a lot of paranoia about this being the gateway to P2W, and that fear has been manifest many times before. We are STILL not buying equipment or anything worthwhile that is useful in combat despite those fears.
Do YOU get the picture yet?
Despite how many other games have this system, it does not automatically mean Zenimax will do EXACTLY what they did. In fact, the main reasons for them doing this are actually unique far as the games I've played that had these boxes are concerned.
Believe me, I get why people want this to not happen, I really do, but it's going to anyway and it won't harm anyone that doesn't buy it so I really don't care about them adding it.
Well, just wait and see as EVERY other company who as gone down this route by introducing 'loot boxes' as said exactly the same thing and have ended up doing the opposite in the end.
Why as every other company gone this route? because from a busines point of view it is the best and only strategy to make revenue to miss out on it would be financially stupid.
They have stated they will not include armor and weapons and to be honest they don't need to, armor and weapons are so easy to get they are actually worthless, what is valuable and what is required and what does make a huge difference is upgrade consumables (wax,alloys etc) and they have already stated the boxes will contain consumables. so yes the path is set and the final outcome is quite obvious
You wont see these anytime soon, but they are setting up the path for them and they will be in the boxes in the end it is inevitable.............seen it all before so many times.
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Esquire1980g_ESO✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »This has to be the most active thread in the history of these forums. 2 days and already over 1,000 comments and over 17,000 views!
cause it's something that'll shake the foundations of the game
What foundations? It's just a mystery box full of other Crown Store items and RNGeebus' plot to take all your money. You don't HAVE to buy them you know...
Don't use that argument. It's just going round in circles now sadly. I tried that one.
It's true though, you really don't and I for one will not buy them. If you choose to buy it all consequences and/or benefits are on you, not Zenimax. In short, purchase with caution.
it's not the box. it's the direction greed is taking ESO, this will only be the start of them milking the game if they can get just a few gamble addicts they'll push things more into the boxes and over time when the addicts finally stop contributing due to lack of interest they'll put more tantalising things into it. i'll leave this part up to you to think about.
but i'v seen many a game die because of this path, several were my favourite, ESO is my fave atm and this time i wont let them kill it.
Just because Zenimax is adding mystery boxes doesn't mean they'll make the game P2W (more than they already have anyway, which so far is mild enough to overlook).
Go try Star Trek Online. I was a beta vet there also. I seen the way it happens.
ZOS must figure that we're not spending enough in the crown store to suit their purposes. That need, or want, will still exist WHEN (not if) the playerbase figures out they don't need cosmetics (there's 1 gameplay system out the window, so much for collectors that were in SWG) and the sales drop off. But, but, but, that need for more money will still be there. Then you'll see 1 ship called the Defiant......., uhhhh, 1 piece of monster armor make it's showing, then another, then another, then another, a couple of pieces of lockbox only jewelry (after all, they've already said they'll have stuff not by any other way to get them) until it's now the norm and total game progress comes out of the store. PVP will die a rather nasty looking death, forums will erupt. Devs will answer the PVP problem by making a post in the PVP forums of "we could take PVP totally out of the game and no1 would even notice". Then? There's only a few "whales" left to support the entire thing so the prices HAVE to rise. How about $170.00 ships, or $200.00+ sets?
You get the picture yet?
I already SEE the picture, the big one, and all of the angles it contains. I also see a lot of paranoia about this being the gateway to P2W, and that fear has been manifest many times before. We are STILL not buying equipment or anything worthwhile that is useful in combat despite those fears.
Do YOU get the picture yet?
Despite how many other games have this system, it does not automatically mean Zenimax will do EXACTLY what they did. In fact, the main reasons for them doing this are actually unique far as the games I've played that had these boxes are concerned.
Believe me, I get why people want this to not happen, I really do, but it's going to anyway and it won't harm anyone that doesn't buy it so I really don't care about them adding it.
And that's where you would be wrong. The ONLY reasoning for not buying P2W stuff is it isn't in the store yet (YET). And after you don't buy a bunch of these cosmetic lockboxes there is NO choice but for it to happen. They still will need that money. Believe me, if P2W is available, there will be people who buy it, use it, and laugh at the ones who haven't got it. I know, Why? I bought it at STO (at the 1st anyway), I just got tired of feeling sorry for the guys who tried Kerrat and got "vaped" (1-shotted), and then I moved to the respawn spot and vaped them again until they either rage-quit or got the flock outta dodge. Easy PVP grind.3 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »This has to be the most active thread in the history of these forums. 2 days and already over 1,000 comments and over 17,000 views!
cause it's something that'll shake the foundations of the game
What foundations? It's just a mystery box full of other Crown Store items and RNGeebus' plot to take all your money. You don't HAVE to buy them you know...
Don't use that argument. It's just going round in circles now sadly. I tried that one.
It's true though, you really don't and I for one will not buy them. If you choose to buy it all consequences and/or benefits are on you, not Zenimax. In short, purchase with caution.
it's not the box. it's the direction greed is taking ESO, this will only be the start of them milking the game if they can get just a few gamble addicts they'll push things more into the boxes and over time when the addicts finally stop contributing due to lack of interest they'll put more tantalising things into it. i'll leave this part up to you to think about.
but i'v seen many a game die because of this path, several were my favourite, ESO is my fave atm and this time i wont let them kill it.
Just because Zenimax is adding mystery boxes doesn't mean they'll make the game P2W (more than they already have anyway, which so far is mild enough to overlook).
Go try Star Trek Online. I was a beta vet there also. I seen the way it happens.
ZOS must figure that we're not spending enough in the crown store to suit their purposes. That need, or want, will still exist WHEN (not if) the playerbase figures out they don't need cosmetics (there's 1 gameplay system out the window, so much for collectors that were in SWG) and the sales drop off. But, but, but, that need for more money will still be there. Then you'll see 1 ship called the Defiant......., uhhhh, 1 piece of monster armor make it's showing, then another, then another, then another, a couple of pieces of lockbox only jewelry (after all, they've already said they'll have stuff not by any other way to get them) until it's now the norm and total game progress comes out of the store. PVP will die a rather nasty looking death, forums will erupt. Devs will answer the PVP problem by making a post in the PVP forums of "we could take PVP totally out of the game and no1 would even notice". Then? There's only a few "whales" left to support the entire thing so the prices HAVE to rise. How about $170.00 ships, or $200.00+ sets?
You get the picture yet?
I already SEE the picture, the big one, and all of the angles it contains. I also see a lot of paranoia about this being the gateway to P2W, and that fear has been manifest many times before. We are STILL not buying equipment or anything worthwhile that is useful in combat despite those fears.
Do YOU get the picture yet?
Despite how many other games have this system, it does not automatically mean Zenimax will do EXACTLY what they did. In fact, the main reasons for them doing this are actually unique far as the games I've played that had these boxes are concerned.
Believe me, I get why people want this to not happen, I really do, but it's going to anyway and it won't harm anyone that doesn't buy it so I really don't care about them adding it.
And that's where you would be wrong. The ONLY reasoning for not buying P2W stuff is it isn't in the store yet (YET). And after you don't buy a bunch of these cosmetic lockboxes there is NO choice but for it to happen. They still will need that money. Believe me, if P2W is available, there will be people who buy it, use it, and laugh at the ones who haven't got it. I know, Why? I bought it at STO (at the 1st anyway), I just got tired of feeling sorry for the guys who tried Kerrat and got "vaped" (1-shotted), and then I moved to the respawn spot and vaped them again until they either rage-quit or got the flock outta dodge. Easy PVP grind.
No, I'm afraid YOU would be wrong there. People buy what is in the Crown Store not because it's P2W (except for the bites) but because they like the cosmetic appeal of what IS there. Granted, some of it isn't up to snuff but that doesn't mean they only want to buy P2W stuff.
Anyone that buys these boxes does so for the cosmetics, which is what they've been buying all along, and it has been flat out stated NOTHING in the boxes OR Crown Gem Store is P2W. Seriously all this time and NOTHING P2W has been added no matter what angle Zenimax has taken. This will be no different.
Show me solid, concrete evidence that ZENIMAX will go P2W with these boxes hands down guaranteed and your paranoia will be founded. Good luck with that though, because there isn't any!Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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milkbox✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gambleYes! I knew if I waited long enough, Godwin's law would prove true.
I think I can stop following this, now.
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Lumenn✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, don't ever add these into the game.It's the next steps that get me. Less and less drops in game "but available in loot bags". New motifs not in game "but available in loot bags" super armor/weapons released "only in loot bags". But, but they said only cosmetic items! Yep. They sure did. Gee golly but they must've had their fingers crossed right? "Parrots not dead, it's just resting " Meanwhile bugs, New content, everything IN game slowly(or seeing how clumsy this has been not so slowly) all take a back seat to...yep, the "loot bags" . They will be the game. I can see this from a f2p game. But I'm not playing a f2p game. It's buy or sub(im actually sub but /shrug)
for me it's not about people with addictions(sympathy for them but not involved in my views.) Nor is it about ethic laws in a country I may never see(personally I'm sure they have this covered already. They'll either move the servers, have a loophole, or just squeeze what they can while they can) it's that as a business man myself, I'm sure they knew what this would do to the game and, despite hearing it recently, I believe it's been planned for awhile. So to ME, introducing this practice even in the face of the negativity(and hiding it while planning it) means they've given up on the game totally. It's a cash cow to be milked until it bleeds and nothing more. When/if it dies they can move to the next project and prove how well they did with profits from a dying game. If I were non essential personnel I'd be terrified for my job as payroll is the most controllable expense and upper management will want huge profit numbers when they move on. Just my experience and opinion anyway. Its just business basics. You either choke out your competition, nurture a business(along with customers) for a long haul profit, or the cow is dead/dying so you drain every ounce of blood and meat with as little effort and cost to you as possible.7 -
Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsAs long as they:- Only contain cosmetic stuff
- Never contain exclusive items
- Never contain the tiger mount
then I don't really care. I won't ever buy one but I won't begrudge anyone who wants to gamble for an old limited-time cosmetic.
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Joe , just stop and tell us why we need this feature added to the crown store . Some of us are tired of repeating ourselves , so take a stab and list me the positive for adding loot boxes . Sell it to me . I want to know why we need a RNG system to get crown store items that could be sold direct .9 -
jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsUltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »This has to be the most active thread in the history of these forums. 2 days and already over 1,000 comments and over 17,000 views!
cause it's something that'll shake the foundations of the game
What foundations? It's just a mystery box full of other Crown Store items and RNGeebus' plot to take all your money. You don't HAVE to buy them you know...
Don't use that argument. It's just going round in circles now sadly. I tried that one.
It's true though, you really don't and I for one will not buy them. If you choose to buy it all consequences and/or benefits are on you, not Zenimax. In short, purchase with caution.
caveat emptor...... see, even the romans knew about it.0 -
Cazzy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Does anyone know who I contact regarding refunds of the "exclusive" mounts I bought? Just support or is there a specific department?0 -
jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsIt's the next steps that get me. Less and less drops in game "but available in loot bags". New motifs not in game "but available in loot bags" super armor/weapons released "only in loot bags". But, but they said only cosmetic items! Yep. They sure did. Gee golly but they must've had their fingers crossed right? "Parrots not dead, it's just resting " Meanwhile bugs, New content, everything IN game slowly(or seeing how clumsy this has been not so slowly) all take a back seat to...yep, the "loot bags" . They will be the game. I can see this from a f2p game. But I'm not playing a f2p game. It's buy or sub(im actually sub but /shrug)
for me it's not about people with addictions(sympathy for them but not involved in my views.) Nor is it about ethic laws in a country I may never see(personally I'm sure they have this covered already. They'll either move the servers, have a loophole, or just squeeze what they can while they can) it's that as a business man myself, I'm sure they knew what this would do to the game and, despite hearing it recently, I believe it's been planned for awhile. So to ME, introducing this practice even in the face of the negativity(and hiding it while planning it) means they've given up on the game totally. It's a cash cow to be milked until it bleeds and nothing more. When/if it dies they can move to the next project and prove how well they did with profits from a dying game. If I were non essential personnel I'd be terrified for my job as payroll is the most controllable expense and upper management will want huge profit numbers when they move on. Just my experience and opinion anyway. Its just business basics. You either choke out your competition, nurture a business(along with customers) for a long haul profit, or the cow is dead/dying so you drain every ounce of blood and meat with as little effort and cost to you as possible.
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Holycannoli✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »I take it youve never played a game with this sort of gambling mechanic in it have you? These things take up the majority of the developers resources while other things like content (Wrothgar, IC, TG, DB) take a back seat.
Funny how this last update and the next one wont be content heavy. But we've been seeing months and months of datamined items meant for the Crown Store. Or so we thought. Wheres Murkmire or Clockwork City?
Exactly. Introducing these gambling boxes means development will be steered in that direction. All content, all DLCs, will be developed with utilizing the gambling box in mind. The truly desirable items like mounts will no longer be for sale in the cash shop but will have a pitifully low chance of coming from a box.
And that's only the beginning. Anyone that thinks these boxes will only have prior limited time items and future mounts is naive.
And that brings up another point: There are previous items they removed from the cash shop (for no other reason than to artificially make them "limited) that I would love to buy if they added them back to the cash shop. But to add them to a gambling box? Oh hell no. It's so insulting that not only will I NOT be buying a single gambling box, I may not even keep the game on my harddrive. There was never a reason to remove items from the cash shop in the first place, and now they're locking items in an RNGenie box so now they potentially cost many times more than they used to. That calls for a big middle finger raised in the air.
If the coffee I buy in the morning suddenly became some roulette wheel of beverages where I had to spend $2 per spin where maybe I'd get coffee but probably got tea or soda or bottled water instead I'd be super pissed and stop going to that shop. Just sell me what I want and don't make me gamble for it, got it ZOS?Edited by Holycannoli on August 21, 2016 9:42PM6 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Eh, ultimately as long as it's just a cosmetics vector, I don't care. I don't foresee spending any crowns on them, but they won't really effect me negatively.
They ARE proven moneymakers in B2P/F2P games. Any easy revenue stream for ZOS increases the odds we get better QA and whatnot, so eh.
I will be disappointed if ALL of the best cosmetic items are restricted to the boxes.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub1 -
Holycannoli✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »Eh, ultimately as long as it's just a cosmetics vector, I don't care. I don't foresee spending any crowns on them, but they won't really effect me negatively.
They ARE proven moneymakers in B2P/F2P games. Any easy revenue stream for ZOS increases the odds we get better QA and whatnot, so eh.
I will be disappointed if ALL of the best cosmetic items are restricted to the boxes.
Not true on both counts, sadly. It will most definitely not contain cosmetics only forever, and we won't get better QA from their sale. It's purely for investors. We not only won't be seeing anything from their sale, we will be subject to all future content developed with them in mind. It's guaranteed. I've seen it happen in enough games to know.
Cosmetic items should NOT be gambled items. Just sell them in store and stop insulting our intelligence ZOS, or you'll quickly find you have a lot fewer players than you used to. That's a promise.
You know Rift did something like this when it went f2p and I dropped that game like a bad habit. STO did (and still does) almost the same thing except that everything in those boxes can be bought from other players for ingame currency so you technically don't have to spend real money to acquire box items. To me that's a big enough difference that I didn't completely abandon the game although I still only log in during ship giveaway events. So in a way Cryptic does it better than ZOS. Think about that.Edited by Holycannoli on August 21, 2016 9:53PM6
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