What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...
https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game
Thank you for the research, however what I was asking for was some kind of evidence for Lysette repeated assertion that RNG-boxes would NOT bring more money than normal items from the crown store if restricted to non-addicted people. I think that's flat out wrong. Normal people also enjoy the thrill of the surprise box. Without getting addicted to it.
Apologies for not reading further . I think there is a communication issue between you two , although I could be wrong . Sometimes the higher idea is missed in a sentence when speaking English second language . I don't wish to speak for Lysette and being rude but there are other games even more profitable without using loot box gimmick . Maybe this is what being referred ?
My claim was, that if there would be just normal people in a game, which are not addicted to anything really, then those RNG boxes would not make ZOS more money than to offer the items directly to the customer. why would a normal person even want to gamble more than maybe once or twice?- For a mere chance to get something or not - they would just say, screw it, I either buy it or I don''t, but I'm not going to gamble for an item - this is a normal way to look at things - and from these kind of people you cannot make more money with RNG boxes.
Makes sense to me . I am somewhat normal person and avoid lotter at all cost . Even at motorcycle run 50/50 raffle my Father in law drags me too I will not be participating . But pretty sure it's gang related scam lol .
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JD2013✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gambleRohamad_Ali wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »The point is, that if there would be just normal people, those RNG boxes would not make them more money - not more like offering the items directly.
Figures ? Studies ? Anything to back up your assertion ?
It can just as well be that RNG boxes brings more income altogether as compared to direct sales, with perfectly "normal", "reasonable" and "self-controlled" people. Just like the lottery does even without all the ICD people who buy tickets.
Well, in Germany there is a warning on any lottery ticket, that gambling can cause severe addiction and be quite harmful for your life. Other forms of gambling are state-driven and you will be registered as a casino visitor and you have to confirm by signing a form, that you are wealthy enough to deal with losses you might have, and that you are well aware of the dangers. And of course you will get a writ which will tell you exactly what your chances are - nothing of that is done by ZOS - there is no warning, nor do we get to know the chances - they can manipulate them like they want and prey on people like the wolf in sheep's clothes - and this is how I feel that ZOS is like - the wolf in sheep's clothes ready to swallow you(r wallet).
Fine - but none of this answers my question.
of course not, I told you I will not be talking with you today anymore - but I can still talk to you - saying what I want to say.
Oh... nice concept of a debate. You've lost any kind of credibility to me today Lysette. I knew you weren't reading/listening to other people, but I didn't know you were rude and self-centered. Anyway... ignore list from now on.
You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...
https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game
I know people that play SWTOR that have spent a RIDICULOUS amount of money on those smurfing boxes. And I mean thousands of dollars a month. Gambling with RL money should NEVER be allowed in a video game. -ever- And I hope the authorities in Germany step in and force their hand on ZoS. The only reason BiowEAr didnt get in trouble is because their EU datacenters are in Ireland.
Is Overwatch or The Simpsons: Tapped Out or SW:TOR banned in Germany? Cuz they're a couple of games off the top of my head with random RNG boxes in them.
No, they aren't, the thing is those games' datacenters are outside of Germany, so the authorities can not do anything. They can get pissy, but that is it.
ESO on the other hand has its Datacenters located in Frankfurt, Germany. Right smack dead in the middle of all the authorities.
The servers are indeed in Frankfurt
I was just curious as to other games and their status in Germany. But I know, for example, SW:TOR EU servers are in Ireland, and Overwatch's EU servers are in France.
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Recremen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Let's take a moment and think about what items are likely to be exclusive to the gambling boxes. Obviously they'll want to incentivize bidding as much as possible while still maintaining something in the regular Crown Store. I'm guessing that the tier-one and tier-two racial costumes would stay in the regular Crown Store, but that the tier-3 ones would be gambling box exclusive. We'll probably still get differently-colored mounts in the regular Crown Store, but extremely popular ones (like any with black or white fur) will almost certainly be gambling box exclusive. ALL of the Wild Hunt mounts are like to be Gambling Box exclusive. If they ever come out with wolf pets those are deeeeefinitely going to be exclusive to the gambling boxes. Anything else anyone can think of?Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...
https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game
Thank you for the research, however what I was asking for was some kind of evidence for Lysette repeated assertion that RNG-boxes would NOT bring more money than normal items from the crown store if restricted to non-addicted people. I think that's flat out wrong. Normal people also enjoy the thrill of the surprise box. Without getting addicted to it.
Apologies for not reading further . I think there is a communication issue between you two , although I could be wrong . Sometimes the higher idea is missed in a sentence when speaking English second language . I don't wish to speak for Lysette and being rude but there are other games even more profitable without using loot box gimmick . Maybe this is what being referred ?
There is no miscommunication. Lysette clearly said that according to her, normal items make just as much money as rng boxes within normal people. Following this assumption, she then assures that it proves that RNG-boxes are targeted primarily towards ICD affected people in order to prey on them.
In my opinion, unless the first assumption is backed up with some figures or proof, this is all made-up theory.
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Moonscythe✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsActually, it don't make me no never mind but a cosmetic grab bag could be fun if it wasn't too expensive. Grab bags rarely have anything you want in them but if we know the pool the RNG is pulling from then maybe so.Edited by Moonscythe on August 23, 2016 2:35PMScura di Notte - Altmer Nightblade (gear)
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seebra✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.i really like eso and have supported this game but this is sad and disgusting.i am gonna quit eso if this game becoming p2w:(Edited by seebra on August 21, 2016 4:46PMdaggerfall covenant cp +39050 Seebra -Stamina Imperial DK50 Gularhar -Stamina Imperial Templar42 Mustajänis - Magicka Dark Elf Necromancer50 Superstrike - Magicka Dark Elf Templar1 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...
https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game
Thank you for the research, however what I was asking for was some kind of evidence for Lysette repeated assertion that RNG-boxes would NOT bring more money than normal items from the crown store if restricted to non-addicted people. I think that's flat out wrong. Normal people also enjoy the thrill of the surprise box. Without getting addicted to it.
Apologies for not reading further . I think there is a communication issue between you two , although I could be wrong . Sometimes the higher idea is missed in a sentence when speaking English second language . I don't wish to speak for Lysette and being rude but there are other games even more profitable without using loot box gimmick . Maybe this is what being referred ?
There is no miscommunication. Lysette clearly said that according to her, normal items make just as much money as rng boxes within normal people. Following this assumption, she then assures that it proves that RNG-boxes are targeted primarily towards ICD affected people in order to prey on them.
In my opinion, unless the first assumption is backed up with some figures or proof, this is all made-up theory.
I just don't know for sure . I know my money will go towards direct purchases . Everything is theory until scientific community labels it as law . So for now we will be in calling this Rohamad's theory of loot bag scam is not good business . If enough games die off I will go to scientific community at Nobel ceremonies and providing evidence of my findings .1 -
ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gambleSo far 66% of voters are saying NO to this... but ZOS will not listen, they never do when it comes to things like this. It would be nice if they would listen, but it's not going to happen. Perhaps someone should send a copy of this poll to the head of ZeniMax Media.CP: 1965 ** ESO+ Gold Road ** ~~ Stamina Arcanist ~~ Magicka Warden ~~ Magicka Templar ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****1 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »The point is, that if there would be just normal people, those RNG boxes would not make them more money - not more like offering the items directly.
Figures ? Studies ? Anything to back up your assertion ?
It can just as well be that RNG boxes brings more income altogether as compared to direct sales, with perfectly "normal", "reasonable" and "self-controlled" people. Just like the lottery does even without all the ICD people who buy tickets.
Well, in Germany there is a warning on any lottery ticket, that gambling can cause severe addiction and be quite harmful for your life. Other forms of gambling are state-driven and you will be registered as a casino visitor and you have to confirm by signing a form, that you are wealthy enough to deal with losses you might have, and that you are well aware of the dangers. And of course you will get a writ which will tell you exactly what your chances are - nothing of that is done by ZOS - there is no warning, nor do we get to know the chances - they can manipulate them like they want and prey on people like the wolf in sheep's clothes - and this is how I feel that ZOS is like - the wolf in sheep's clothes ready to swallow you(r wallet).
Fine - but none of this answers my question.
of course not, I told you I will not be talking with you today anymore - but I can still talk to you - saying what I want to say.
Oh... nice concept of a debate. You've lost any kind of credibility to me today Lysette. I knew you weren't reading/listening to other people, but I didn't know you were rude and self-centered. Anyway... ignore list from now on.
You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...
https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game
I know people that play SWTOR that have spent a RIDICULOUS amount of money on those smurfing boxes. And I mean thousands of dollars a month. Gambling with RL money should NEVER be allowed in a video game. -ever- And I hope the authorities in Germany step in and force their hand on ZoS. The only reason BiowEAr didnt get in trouble is because their EU datacenters are in Ireland.
Is Overwatch or The Simpsons: Tapped Out or SW:TOR banned in Germany? Cuz they're a couple of games off the top of my head with random RNG boxes in them.
No, they aren't, the thing is those games' datacenters are outside of Germany, so the authorities can not do anything. They can get pissy, but that is it.
ESO on the other hand has its Datacenters located in Frankfurt, Germany. Right smack dead in the middle of all the authorities.
The servers are indeed in Frankfurt I was just curious as to other games and their status in Germany. But I know, for example, SW:TOR EU servers are in Ireland, and Overwatch's EU servers are in France.
There are other reasons for that - you can get a casino license in those countries - but not in Germany.0 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »The point is, that if there would be just normal people, those RNG boxes would not make them more money - not more like offering the items directly.
Figures ? Studies ? Anything to back up your assertion ?
It can just as well be that RNG boxes brings more income altogether as compared to direct sales, with perfectly "normal", "reasonable" and "self-controlled" people. Just like the lottery does even without all the ICD people who buy tickets.
Well, in Germany there is a warning on any lottery ticket, that gambling can cause severe addiction and be quite harmful for your life. Other forms of gambling are state-driven and you will be registered as a casino visitor and you have to confirm by signing a form, that you are wealthy enough to deal with losses you might have, and that you are well aware of the dangers. And of course you will get a writ which will tell you exactly what your chances are - nothing of that is done by ZOS - there is no warning, nor do we get to know the chances - they can manipulate them like they want and prey on people like the wolf in sheep's clothes - and this is how I feel that ZOS is like - the wolf in sheep's clothes ready to swallow you(r wallet).
Fine - but none of this answers my question.
of course not, I told you I will not be talking with you today anymore - but I can still talk to you - saying what I want to say.
Oh... nice concept of a debate. You've lost any kind of credibility to me today Lysette. I knew you weren't reading/listening to other people, but I didn't know you were rude and self-centered. Anyway... ignore list from now on.
You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...
https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game
I know people that play SWTOR that have spent a RIDICULOUS amount of money on those smurfing boxes. And I mean thousands of dollars a month. Gambling with RL money should NEVER be allowed in a video game. -ever- And I hope the authorities in Germany step in and force their hand on ZoS. The only reason BiowEAr didnt get in trouble is because their EU datacenters are in Ireland.
Is Overwatch or The Simpsons: Tapped Out or SW:TOR banned in Germany? Cuz they're a couple of games off the top of my head with random RNG boxes in them.
No, they aren't, the thing is those games' datacenters are outside of Germany, so the authorities can not do anything. They can get pissy, but that is it.
ESO on the other hand has its Datacenters located in Frankfurt, Germany. Right smack dead in the middle of all the authorities.
It is as well something which will just be investigated by officials in Germany, if people bring it to their attention - they are not really interested to do something if no one is complaining about it.
Oh trust me, they will. The government here has a stick up their smurf when it comes to video games. They banned the game gears of war because it was too violent, and forced the creators of the southpark game to make a censored version because it was too obscene. Their censorship annoys me, but if they do something to prevent these boxes, I will smile.Edited by Jade1986 on August 21, 2016 4:48PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.I think that, for me, the single thing that is so disheartening about this is that there are pages and pages of player requests for crown store items that we are willing to pay for right here, solicited by ZOS themselves:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/146991/crown-store-item-wish-list/p1
And yet they have offered virtually NONE of it. And a great deal of it is EASY stuff, like polymorphs and costumes ALREADY IN GAME ASSETS. Virtually NO work required.
What do they do instead? The ONE thing players have overwhelmingly said we DON'T want to see ever since the first possibility of a cash shop came up: RNG Gambling Boxes. These were among the reasons I left SWTOR.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!11 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...
https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game
Thank you for the research, however what I was asking for was some kind of evidence for Lysette repeated assertion that RNG-boxes would NOT bring more money than normal items from the crown store if restricted to non-addicted people. I think that's flat out wrong. Normal people also enjoy the thrill of the surprise box. Without getting addicted to it.
Apologies for not reading further . I think there is a communication issue between you two , although I could be wrong . Sometimes the higher idea is missed in a sentence when speaking English second language . I don't wish to speak for Lysette and being rude but there are other games even more profitable without using loot box gimmick . Maybe this is what being referred ?
There is no miscommunication. Lysette clearly said that according to her, normal items make just as much money as rng boxes within normal people. Following this assumption, she then assures that it proves that RNG-boxes are targeted primarily towards ICD affected people in order to prey on them.
In my opinion, unless the first assumption is backed up with some figures or proof, this is all made-up theory.
Being a normal person helps to understand this - then it is obvious, that it is that way.2 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Moonscythe wrote: »Actually, it don't make me no never mind but a cosmetic grab bag could be fun if it wasn't too expensive. Grab bags rarely have anything you want in them but if we know the pool the RGN is pulling from then maybe so.
Well, we all know how ZOS handles rng-based drops.
So the chance to get something better than 5 potions will be 0.001% or less...
I personally dont mind buying stuff I like, even for 4k crowns. But if all those datamined goods will be only available through this craptastic lottery, Ill pass. Transparency is very important for me, if I buy something, I want to know what exactly Im buying and for how much.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.KoshkaMurka wrote: »Moonscythe wrote: »Actually, it don't make me no never mind but a cosmetic grab bag could be fun if it wasn't too expensive. Grab bags rarely have anything you want in them but if we know the pool the RGN is pulling from then maybe so.
Well, we all know how ZOS handles rng-based drops.
So the chance to get something better than 5 potions will be 0.001% or less...
I personally dont mind buying stuff I like, even for 4k crowns. But if all those datamined goods will be only available through this craptastic lottery, Ill pass. Transparency is very important for me, if I buy something, I want to know what exactly Im buying and for how much.
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Cazzy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Let's take a moment and think about what items are likely to be exclusive to the gambling boxes. Obviously they'll want to incentivize bidding as much as possible while still maintaining something in the regular Crown Store. I'm guessing that the tier-one and tier-two racial costumes would stay in the regular Crown Store, but that the tier-3 ones would be gambling box exclusive. We'll probably still get differently-colored mounts in the regular Crown Store, but extremely popular ones (like any with black or white fur) will almost certainly be gambling box exclusive. ALL of the Wild Hunt mounts are like to be Gambling Box exclusive. If they ever come out with wolf pets those are deeeeefinitely going to be exclusive to the gambling boxes. Anything else anyone can think of?
F**k. I didn't even think about this.
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Altercator✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.It's a low class hustle. If whoever is making decisions at ZOS had any integrity or pride they would simply sell a quality product to their customers. ZOS' foolish sales gimmicks are bad business.5 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...
https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game
Thank you for the research, however what I was asking for was some kind of evidence for Lysette repeated assertion that RNG-boxes would NOT bring more money than normal items from the crown store if restricted to non-addicted people. I think that's flat out wrong. Normal people also enjoy the thrill of the surprise box. Without getting addicted to it.
Apologies for not reading further . I think there is a communication issue between you two , although I could be wrong . Sometimes the higher idea is missed in a sentence when speaking English second language . I don't wish to speak for Lysette and being rude but there are other games even more profitable without using loot box gimmick . Maybe this is what being referred ?
My claim was, that if there would be just normal people in a game, which are not addicted to anything really, then those RNG boxes would not make ZOS more money than to offer the items directly to the customer. why would a normal person even want to gamble more than maybe once or twice?- For a mere chance to get something or not - they would just say, screw it, I either buy it or I don''t, but I'm not going to gamble for an item - this is a normal way to look at things - and from these kind of people you cannot make more money with RNG boxes.
Makes sense to me . I am somewhat normal person and avoid lotter at all cost . Even at motorcycle run 50/50 raffle my Father in law drags me too I will not be participating . But pretty sure it's gang related scam lol .
Let's stay with ESO - I'd be very wary of motorsport sideroad bets anyway :-)
Let's take for instance a mount that I absolutely love : the Highland Wolf.
It's currently at 1800 crowns in the store : that's too much for me.
If there's a chance to get it in a 400 crowns box, I might buy a box or two. If I get lucky, I'll have a cheap wolf. If I get unlucky, I'll have spent 400 to 800 crowns - not much. What I was willing to lose on such a "mini-gambling".
That's not psycho behaviour, is it ?
Now multiply that by the hundreds of thousands of players who are in the same position as I am with regards to anything in the crown store - if, like me, they choose to try their luck on one or two boxes, that's extra income for ZOS which they would not have achieved without the boxes.
That's how this method can bring more income than direct sales - with absolutely normal, non-addicted people.
Don't get me wrong : I'm not fond of RNG-boxes either : I don't think it's classy or elegant. But this whole uproar and making them a human rights or high ethical issue is way out of proportion.
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elvenmad✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.The servers are indeed in Frankfurt I was just curious as to other games and their status in Germany. But I know, for example, SW:TOR EU servers are in Ireland, and Overwatch's EU servers are in France.
start with Gameforge, publishers of Aion and Tera whose servers are based in Frankfurt and their main office and company base is in Karlsruhe, Germany, who have been using these very same 'loot box' systems for years and caused the very same uproar on their own forums when they also announced they would only contain cosmetic items, their system is far worse than any other I have seen in many MMO's BUT they get away with it............ total blatant predatory robbery and manipulationEdited by elvenmad on August 21, 2016 5:01PM< PC - EU >1 -
Shimmer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsThis thread been up less than 2 days already has 14.5k views and nearly 1000 replys the majority being negative toward cash shop loot boxes............pretty much sums it up
Except that the 1000 replies are basically just a handful of people that just keep arguing over and over trying to force their opinion on others. Also, 364 people voting against it really isnt a majority of the entirety of the player base...
GG zenimax! Looking forward to opening my first box!
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.I can even give a number about how many people play lottery in Germany at all - those were 31.5% of the population who bought at least one ticket throughout the year 2011. So the absolute majority of people do not play in a lottery at all. That is what I call "normal" people - some of those who buy a ticket can be normal as well, if they play like once around their birthday or something like this - some people do that like this. But most do not gamble - this is just normal to not gamble.1 -
seebra✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.this game gonna die because lottery boxesdaggerfall covenant cp +39050 Seebra -Stamina Imperial DK50 Gularhar -Stamina Imperial Templar42 Mustajänis - Magicka Dark Elf Necromancer50 Superstrike - Magicka Dark Elf Templar4
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LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.This thread been up less than 2 days already has 14.5k views and nearly 1000 replys the majority being negative toward cash shop loot boxes............pretty much sums it up
Except that the 1000 replies are basically just a handful of people that just keep arguing over and over trying to force their opinion on others. Also, 364 people voting against it really isnt a majority of the entirety of the player base...
GG zenimax! Looking forward to opening my first box!
If people do not post on forums, it doesnt mean they automatically support all ZOS' decisions.
Even making a forum account here can be kinda tricky (I didnt even get an invitation mail and had to ask the support to make my forum account), so many people just dont bother about this.Edited by LadyNalcarya on August 21, 2016 5:05PMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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seebra✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.KoshkaMurka wrote: »This thread been up less than 2 days already has 14.5k views and nearly 1000 replys the majority being negative toward cash shop loot boxes............pretty much sums it up
Except that the 1000 replies are basically just a handful of people that just keep arguing over and over trying to force their opinion on others. Also, 364 people voting against it really isnt a majority of the entirety of the player base...
GG zenimax! Looking forward to opening my first box!
If people do not post on forums, it doesnt mean they automatically support all ZOS' decisions.
Even making a forum account here can be kinda tricky (I didnt even get an invitation mail and had to ask the support to make my forum account), so many people just dont bother about this.
same i didn't get forum invitation mail too:Pdaggerfall covenant cp +39050 Seebra -Stamina Imperial DK50 Gularhar -Stamina Imperial Templar42 Mustajänis - Magicka Dark Elf Necromancer50 Superstrike - Magicka Dark Elf Templar1 -
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✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.KoshkaMurka wrote: »This thread been up less than 2 days already has 14.5k views and nearly 1000 replys the majority being negative toward cash shop loot boxes............pretty much sums it up
Except that the 1000 replies are basically just a handful of people that just keep arguing over and over trying to force their opinion on others. Also, 364 people voting against it really isnt a majority of the entirety of the player base...
GG zenimax! Looking forward to opening my first box!
If people do not post on forums, it doesnt mean they automatically support all ZOS' decisions.
Even making a forum account here can be kinda tricky (I didnt even get an invitation mail and had to ask the support to make my forum account), so many people just dont bother about this.
Exactly. Only the people who care enough go through the trouble to stay active on here. If anything these results matter more than they realise.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...
https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game
Thank you for the research, however what I was asking for was some kind of evidence for Lysette repeated assertion that RNG-boxes would NOT bring more money than normal items from the crown store if restricted to non-addicted people. I think that's flat out wrong. Normal people also enjoy the thrill of the surprise box. Without getting addicted to it.
Apologies for not reading further . I think there is a communication issue between you two , although I could be wrong . Sometimes the higher idea is missed in a sentence when speaking English second language . I don't wish to speak for Lysette and being rude but there are other games even more profitable without using loot box gimmick . Maybe this is what being referred ?
My claim was, that if there would be just normal people in a game, which are not addicted to anything really, then those RNG boxes would not make ZOS more money than to offer the items directly to the customer. why would a normal person even want to gamble more than maybe once or twice?- For a mere chance to get something or not - they would just say, screw it, I either buy it or I don''t, but I'm not going to gamble for an item - this is a normal way to look at things - and from these kind of people you cannot make more money with RNG boxes.
Makes sense to me . I am somewhat normal person and avoid lotter at all cost . Even at motorcycle run 50/50 raffle my Father in law drags me too I will not be participating . But pretty sure it's gang related scam lol .
Let's stay with ESO - I'd be very wary of motorsport sideroad bets anyway :-)
Let's take for instance a mount that I absolutely love : the Highland Wolf.
It's currently at 1800 crowns in the store : that's too much for me.
If there's a chance to get it in a 400 crowns box, I might buy a box or two. If I get lucky, I'll have a cheap wolf. If I get unlucky, I'll have spent 400 to 800 crowns - not much. What I was willing to lose on such a "mini-gambling".
That's not psycho behaviour, is it ?
Now multiply that by the hundreds of thousands of players who are in the same position as I am with regards to anything in the crown store - if, like me, they choose to try their luck on one or two boxes, that's extra income for ZOS which they would not have achieved without the boxes.
That's how this method can bring more income than direct sales - with absolutely normal, non-addicted people.
Don't get me wrong : I'm not fond of RNG-boxes either : I don't think it's classy or elegant. But this whole uproar and making them a human rights or high ethical issue is way out of proportion.
You are falling for the illusion to win something and of course you expect it to be exactly that thing what you want and not something, what you never wanted at all or what is of not much use for you - let's say, you want a wolf - you buy a couple of boxes and what you get is a few consumables and XP scrolls. No costume, no mount no pet - now you have spend already more than the wolf would have costed you and you have what - crap, useless stuff - that is how this will turn out for you. And the less you have from the crown store yet, the less likely it is that you will ever get your wolf mount.Edited by Lysette on August 21, 2016 5:12PM3 -
Panda_iMunch✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsThis will be an interesting feature to throw my leftover crowns at after subs. Considering I can only get cosmetics, I hope that new mount from it!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.This thread been up less than 2 days already has 14.5k views and nearly 1000 replys the majority being negative toward cash shop loot boxes............pretty much sums it up
Except that the 1000 replies are basically just a handful of people that just keep arguing over and over trying to force their opinion on others. Also, 364 people voting against it really isnt a majority of the entirety of the player base...
GG zenimax! Looking forward to opening my first box!
Except that there's no reason to believe that forum voters aren't a representative sample of players. Additionally, it's not just a handful of people "trying to force their opinion on others", we're having very furtive and important discussion. Your ad hominem attacks don't stand up to even a little bit of scrutiny.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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elvenmad✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.This thread been up less than 2 days already has 14.5k views and nearly 1000 replys the majority being negative toward cash shop loot boxes............pretty much sums it up
Except that the 1000 replies are basically just a handful of people that just keep arguing over and over trying to force their opinion on others. Also, 364 people voting against it really isnt a majority of the entirety of the player base...
GG zenimax! Looking forward to opening my first box!
how dumb...your including in a forum pole the entire playerbase of a game which no doubt the majority off dont even come to the forums.
Tell me when 7 million players have visited THIS thread then maybe I will owe you an apology and agree with you but currently the majority who have actually visited this thread say the opposite.
Edited by elvenmad on August 21, 2016 5:17PM< PC - EU >1 -
Esquire1980g_ESO✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Do u guys know whats the best part of this discussion? Everyone of u will end up buying those boxes at one point or another.
Not I. I have just deleted all my characters and emailed support requesting deletion of my account and personal data. So, I wont be. A one man protest wont do much, but not givng any more money to a company who feels this is a way to treat customers, will make me feel better at least.
Wow that is extreme, are you sure you won't regret that? I might not buy them myself because I don't want to waste my money on potions and stuff like that but I'm not against it as long as it's only cosmetics.
I can understand that people with control disorder can have problems with this system but I don't really get why it is such an issue for some of you at the point that you may quit the game, it doesn't affect the gameplay. Also, I'm a bit saddened that people like Lysette et Cazzy, very active on these forums and who seemed very invested in the game, may leave.
It's more than just this guy that has left over this. They lost 2 other subs yesterday, wife's and mine. And I spent $60.00 last night on Elite Dangerous, $60.00 that ZOS didn't get. BTW, neither of us have any "control disorder" and our discretionary income is at the least, larger than most.
Perhaps, we've just seen what happens when this crap starts and ultimately where it ends up and just don't want to be a part of it again. I learned a long time ago that the ONLY thing developers and management of a gaming company understands, is a cancelled sub.11
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