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What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?
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Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Nero fiddles.
Rome burns.
I'd love to see ZOS comment on this without the intent to shut the thread down. Would let me know whether or not to pack bags or not.3 -
Elijah_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsDoctordarkspawn wrote: »Nero fiddles.
Rome burns.
I'd love to see ZOS comment on this without the intent to shut the thread down. Would let me know whether or not to pack bags or not.
Nothing is burning. Everyone reacted the same way with the cash shop and It's the most ethical and well done cash shop in an MMO in my opinion. I think ZOS will comment and they won't shut down the thread. After how they have handled the cash shop, I have faith they will handle this well also.4 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsstarkerealm wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Prize boxes on Lord of the rings , Prize boxes in secret world , Age of Conan .. All dead after words .
http://massivelyop.com/2016/06/10/age-of-conans-revamped-item-shop-draws-ire-from-players/
Ummm
all 3 of the games you just listed are still alive.
In fact F2P with things like Lockboxes are why they're still alive.
TSW's a ghost town, man. I don't know about LOTR, though I haven't heard complimentary things. Age of Conan was desolate the last time I logged, but it's been a few years.
Hell, Funcom's trying to make a survival sandbox game out of its assets, and already did use TSW's assets in a cheap spinoff game. I don't know how bad the situation is over there, but it's not good.
I've played every single listed; TSW was a ghost town before Lockboxes and would of probably closed down by now if it wasn't for Free 2 Play. It was a very Niche title to begin with..and got a lot of unwarranted *** in my opinion during beta since I thought it was actually an amazing RPG.
LOTRO is chugging along like it always has... Lockboxes haven't managed to kill that game and its been f2p for years... It honestly would probably do better if it had a model update for the actual characters.
Age of Conan has been dead since the beginning and its massive screwups at the beginning of the game..It never recovered from its poor start and the only way its alive right now is its F2P system....Look at something that launched around the same time and didn't go F2P and see how it ended up (Warhammer Online)....and remember the Community absolutely Begged Mythic to make WAR F2P.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Prize boxes on Lord of the rings , Prize boxes in secret world , Age of Conan .. All dead after words .
http://massivelyop.com/2016/06/10/age-of-conans-revamped-item-shop-draws-ire-from-players/
Ummm
all 3 of the games you just listed are still alive.
In fact F2P with things like Lockboxes are why they're still alive.
Unhu ... Sure they are . Alive with a handful of players left . Look at what happened before they left in droves . Lock boxes , F2P ... Deserted by all but the most die hard fans . Try getting a group together in those . You'll waste most of your night . I know because ai still have accounts in all of them and log in once in a blue moon to look at the wasteland that was once a great game filled with players .
The players in all of them asked constantly for bug fixes and decent content but got rewarded with fancy cloths and mounts in lock boxes instead . The smart left early .
Every Single MMO you listed had their players leave in droves before F2P came along..Hell AOC lost like 80% of its subscribers in like the first 2 months alone.
LOTRO is ancient and probably has a subscriber base similar to UO which is to be expected, and TSW never had a massive subscriber base either.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsstarkerealm wrote: »
I've yet not to enjoy a game based on lockboxes
Know what makes me dislike a game? Bad Gameplay.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Nero fiddles.
Rome burns.
I'd love to see ZOS comment on this without the intent to shut the thread down. Would let me know whether or not to pack bags or not.
Nothing is burning. Everyone reacted the same way with the cash shop and It's the most ethical and well done cash shop in an MMO in my opinion. I think ZOS will comment and they won't shut down the thread. After how they have handled the cash shop, I have faith they will handle this well also.
You call 25 bucks for a namechange ethical?
While there are very few problems with it, it's arrival marked a time when people started to begin to question whether or not ZOS was even lisening to us. It's become almost a meme now, that ZOS dosent lisen to player feedback.
So no. It is burning. Because even the people who trust ZOS are going "...Uhh. What."3 -
Mx13✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsRohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Prize boxes on Lord of the rings , Prize boxes in secret world , Age of Conan .. All dead after words .
http://massivelyop.com/2016/06/10/age-of-conans-revamped-item-shop-draws-ire-from-players/
Ummm
all 3 of the games you just listed are still alive.
In fact F2P with things like Lockboxes are why they're still alive.
Unhu ... Sure they are . Alive with a handful of players left . Look at what happened before they left in droves . Lock boxes , F2P ... Deserted by all but the most die hard fans . Try getting a group together in those . You'll waste most of your night . I know because ai still have accounts in all of them and log in once in a blue moon to look at the wasteland that was once a great game filled with players .
The players in all of them asked constantly for bug fixes and decent content but got rewarded with fancy cloths and mounts in lock boxes instead . The smart left early .
TSW was a ghost town even before f2p lol, Age of conan had that insta max level and royal treasure chest wich seems more bada than a cosmetic loot box...
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamblecaptainwolfos wrote: »Tentative 'yes'
I'd only be cool with this if they're relatively cheap, and there's absolutely no way of getting duplicates. Also absolutely no pay to win, because that would be utterly skeevy.
That being said, getting a banker or something for like 500 crowns or whatever would be awesome, but at the same time would really suck for people who forked out £40 for them.
This is something I'm going to be watching carefully, as this could easily go very wrong (see: fricken SWTOR).
Here's what Gina said about it:ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Thanks for your thoughts on the upcoming Crown Crates, everyone. Just want to clarify a few points -
First, Crown Crates will be available later this year, and will only include cosmetic or convenience items. You'll find things like potions and other consumables, pets, costumes, and - yes - sometimes even mounts. This will give you a chance to try and obtain previous limited time offers, or even some very unique items as Matt mentioned. It will not include things like armor or weapons.
In the event you get an item that you already own, you can exchange it for a currency called Crown Gems which will allow you to buy a different item of your choice.
So you can get duplicates, but then you can trade them for a currency that you can use to buy something else.
I do want to know how that currency will work, and how much we are going to get from duplicates. If I get a duplicate mount, say the Clouded Senche, will the Crown Gems I receive be enough to buy, say, the Senche Leopard, that is of the same type and was of the same price when in the store for a limited time?Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.1 -
Elijah_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsDoctordarkspawn wrote: »Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Nero fiddles.
Rome burns.
I'd love to see ZOS comment on this without the intent to shut the thread down. Would let me know whether or not to pack bags or not.
Nothing is burning. Everyone reacted the same way with the cash shop and It's the most ethical and well done cash shop in an MMO in my opinion. I think ZOS will comment and they won't shut down the thread. After how they have handled the cash shop, I have faith they will handle this well also.
You call 25 bucks for a namechange ethical?
While there are very few problems with it, it's arrival marked a time when people started to begin to question whether or not ZOS was even lisening to us. It's become almost a meme now, that ZOS dosent lisen to player feedback.
So no. It is burning. Because even the people who trust ZOS are going "...Uhh. What."
Before name changes were available, people were claiming they would pay anything for the ability to do it..race change, etc. You can always delete and re-roll with a new name if you want. Character name is service/cosmetic and you don't have to use it.
Yes, in my opinion it's the most ethical and well done cash shop in an MMO because it doesn't impact gameplay.1 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Nero fiddles.
Rome burns.
I'd love to see ZOS comment on this without the intent to shut the thread down. Would let me know whether or not to pack bags or not.
Nothing is burning. Everyone reacted the same way with the cash shop and It's the most ethical and well done cash shop in an MMO in my opinion. I think ZOS will comment and they won't shut down the thread. After how they have handled the cash shop, I have faith they will handle this well also.
You call 25 bucks for a namechange ethical?
While there are very few problems with it, it's arrival marked a time when people started to begin to question whether or not ZOS was even lisening to us. It's become almost a meme now, that ZOS dosent lisen to player feedback.
So no. It is burning. Because even the people who trust ZOS are going "...Uhh. What."
Before name changes were available, people were claiming they would pay anything for the ability to do it..race change, etc. You can always delete and re-roll with a new name if you want. Character name is service/cosmetic and you don't have to use it.
Yes, in my opinion it's the most ethical and well done cash shop in an MMO because it doesn't impact gameplay.
Yet.
Edited by Doctordarkspawn on August 21, 2016 5:14AM4 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Nero fiddles.
Rome burns.
I'd love to see ZOS comment on this without the intent to shut the thread down. Would let me know whether or not to pack bags or not.
Just look at the amount of people willing to leave at just the unofficial forum announcement . I've read a few dozen of the same on other social media , Reddit especially . Right or wrong , customers see this as an attack on their intelligence .
Matt Firor said in the video , he gets asked over and over when can ai get another chance to get something removed from the crown store . An instead of saying something smart like , yeah we will put it back on the store for you ! , he says he has good news lol they found a way with crown boxes lol . Dfek ? I couldn't believe one person in that room didn't say wait wat ?! Instead the all just went quiet lol while Matt didn't get the applause he paused for lmao .
People aren't stupid Matt ! Just polite at the ESO tavern ... Lol4 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsDoctordarkspawn wrote: »Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Nero fiddles.
Rome burns.
I'd love to see ZOS comment on this without the intent to shut the thread down. Would let me know whether or not to pack bags or not.
Nothing is burning. Everyone reacted the same way with the cash shop and It's the most ethical and well done cash shop in an MMO in my opinion. I think ZOS will comment and they won't shut down the thread. After how they have handled the cash shop, I have faith they will handle this well also.
You call 25 bucks for a namechange ethical?
While there are very few problems with it, it's arrival marked a time when people started to begin to question whether or not ZOS was even lisening to us. It's become almost a meme now, that ZOS dosent lisen to player feedback.
So no. It is burning. Because even the people who trust ZOS are going "...Uhh. What."
$25 for a namechange isn't that bad...and I can somewhat understand the reasoning for it based on previous reasons name changes were expensive in other MMOs
Basically the idea was if you were a huge *** you couldn't just change your name constantly to avoid being treated like the huge *** you were by the community.
For example; Lets say you got banned for cheating..then managed to convince ZOS to unban you like a certain someone did...You couldn't just change your character name without paying some money to avoid being called out for being a dirty cheater like you were.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Elijah_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsDoctordarkspawn wrote: »Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Nero fiddles.
Rome burns.
I'd love to see ZOS comment on this without the intent to shut the thread down. Would let me know whether or not to pack bags or not.
Nothing is burning. Everyone reacted the same way with the cash shop and It's the most ethical and well done cash shop in an MMO in my opinion. I think ZOS will comment and they won't shut down the thread. After how they have handled the cash shop, I have faith they will handle this well also.
You call 25 bucks for a namechange ethical?
While there are very few problems with it, it's arrival marked a time when people started to begin to question whether or not ZOS was even lisening to us. It's become almost a meme now, that ZOS dosent lisen to player feedback.
So no. It is burning. Because even the people who trust ZOS are going "...Uhh. What."
Before name changes were available, people were claiming they would pay anything for the ability to do it..race change, etc. You can always delete and re-roll with a new name if you want. Character name is service/cosmetic and you don't have to use it.
Yes, in my opinion it's the most ethical and well done cash shop in an MMO because it doesn't impact gameplay.
Yet.
And I've seen nothing to indicate that will ever change. When the cash shop first went live, the potions in the store were better than player made. I posted about it and they immediately took those items out of the shop until they were fixed to be less powerful than player made potions.
Yea, I have a reason to have faith they will do a good job. Their awesome track record.1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.starkerealm wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Prize boxes on Lord of the rings , Prize boxes in secret world , Age of Conan .. All dead after words .
http://massivelyop.com/2016/06/10/age-of-conans-revamped-item-shop-draws-ire-from-players/
Ummm
all 3 of the games you just listed are still alive.
In fact F2P with things like Lockboxes are why they're still alive.
TSW's a ghost town, man. I don't know about LOTR, though I haven't heard complimentary things. Age of Conan was desolate the last time I logged, but it's been a few years.
Hell, Funcom's trying to make a survival sandbox game out of its assets, and already did use TSW's assets in a cheap spinoff game. I don't know how bad the situation is over there, but it's not good.
I've played every single listed; TSW was a ghost town before Lockboxes and would of probably closed down by now if it wasn't for Free 2 Play. It was a very Niche title to begin with..and got a lot of unwarranted *** in my opinion during beta since I thought it was actually an amazing RPG.
LOTRO is chugging along like it always has... Lockboxes haven't managed to kill that game and its been f2p for years... It honestly would probably do better if it had a model update for the actual characters.
Age of Conan has been dead since the beginning and its massive screwups at the beginning of the game..It never recovered from its poor start and the only way its alive right now is its F2P system....Look at something that launched around the same time and didn't go F2P and see how it ended up (Warhammer Online)....and remember the Community absolutely Begged Mythic to make WAR F2P.
You don't suppose Conan's issues and TSW's issues had anything to do with Bylos repeatedly piloting his games into walls, do you? He was the one responsible for the 20-40 content in AoC... you know, the content that didn't exist. Also the TSW gates, that would smear anyone who wasn't brutally minmaxing.
With TSW, the introduction of grab bags coincided with the introduction of the augment grinding. The grinding is what killed the community. Funcom tried to lure people to the bags by sticking augments in them, but it didn't work, and a lot of the long term players managed to burn out. I watched it happen.
Used to be there was a coherent community floating around. The zones were desolate, but there were players. The last couple times I logged in? Not so much.
The introduction of bags did change the game, from a development perspective, and not for the better.
I don't know what the hell happened with Warhammer Online... but from what I know of Games Workshop's licensing practices, I doubt they had the ability to make it F2P. EA was certainly willing to kick games over that threshold when they had the option, so I don't think that was the issue at all.1 -
Shimmer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsDoctordarkspawn wrote: »Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Nero fiddles.
Rome burns.
I'd love to see ZOS comment on this without the intent to shut the thread down. Would let me know whether or not to pack bags or not.
Nothing is burning. Everyone reacted the same way with the cash shop and It's the most ethical and well done cash shop in an MMO in my opinion. I think ZOS will comment and they won't shut down the thread. After how they have handled the cash shop, I have faith they will handle this well also.
You call 25 bucks for a namechange ethical?
While there are very few problems with it, it's arrival marked a time when people started to begin to question whether or not ZOS was even lisening to us. It's become almost a meme now, that ZOS dosent lisen to player feedback.
So no. It is burning. Because even the people who trust ZOS are going "...Uhh. What."
I see you are new here, and havent had the pleasure of being with this game since launch. Zenimax has been the BEST at listening and actually changing things based on player opinions. I have played pretty much every game with a cash shop and I can tell you, this is one of the most tastefull, and most well done cash shop I have ever experienced. None of the things you can purchase impact your gameplay. All it will really do is give you mount envy when you see someone riding around that super rare mount.2 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Nero fiddles.
Rome burns.
I'd love to see ZOS comment on this without the intent to shut the thread down. Would let me know whether or not to pack bags or not.
Nothing is burning. Everyone reacted the same way with the cash shop and It's the most ethical and well done cash shop in an MMO in my opinion. I think ZOS will comment and they won't shut down the thread. After how they have handled the cash shop, I have faith they will handle this well also.
You call 25 bucks for a namechange ethical?
While there are very few problems with it, it's arrival marked a time when people started to begin to question whether or not ZOS was even lisening to us. It's become almost a meme now, that ZOS dosent lisen to player feedback.
So no. It is burning. Because even the people who trust ZOS are going "...Uhh. What."
Before name changes were available, people were claiming they would pay anything for the ability to do it..race change, etc. You can always delete and re-roll with a new name if you want. Character name is service/cosmetic and you don't have to use it.
Yes, in my opinion it's the most ethical and well done cash shop in an MMO because it doesn't impact gameplay.
Yet.
And I've seen nothing to indicate that will ever change. When the cash shop first went live, the potions in the store were better than player made. I posted about it and they immediately took those items out of the shop until they were fixed to be less powerful than player made potions.
Yea, I have a reason to have faith they will do a good job. Their awesome track record.
Keep telling yourself that if that's what you truely believe. But personally? The ammount of people who are saying "I have seen it happen before" are not saying that for cheap kicks.3 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsRohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Prize boxes on Lord of the rings , Prize boxes in secret world , Age of Conan .. All dead after words .
http://massivelyop.com/2016/06/10/age-of-conans-revamped-item-shop-draws-ire-from-players/
Ummm
all 3 of the games you just listed are still alive.
In fact F2P with things like Lockboxes are why they're still alive.
Unhu ... Sure they are . Alive with a handful of players left . Look at what happened before they left in droves . Lock boxes , F2P ... Deserted by all but the most die hard fans . Try getting a group together in those . You'll waste most of your night . I know because ai still have accounts in all of them and log in once in a blue moon to look at the wasteland that was once a great game filled with players .
The players in all of them asked constantly for bug fixes and decent content but got rewarded with fancy cloths and mounts in lock boxes instead . The smart left early .
TSW was a ghost town even before f2p lol, Age of conan had that insta max level and royal treasure chest wich seems more bada than a cosmetic loot box...
I just want to say the fact that TSW was a ghost town before f2p is one of the biggest travesties i've seen in MMOs to date.
The combat wasn't revolutionary but man was it an amazing game.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Esquire1980g_ESO✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »From the percentages I'm seeing, looks like ZOS might have a bit of a NGE on their hands. (67%)
Hope it works out better for ZOS heads than it did for Smed. Sony sold Smed right out from under him, the new owners sent him home, and he didn't get enough of crowd funding to do a 2D game.
Adding boxes to a game is nowhere NEAR or even in the same BALLPARK as the NGE was.....
It is if 67% look the other way. Unless of course they are as willing as Rubinfield was to get rid of the existing player base thinking they'll get a boat-load more.
Adding boxes to the game with pretty outfits and mounts and pets is not the same as changing the entire games combat system ENTIRELY and changing the game from 34 professions (classes) down to only 10. Please explain to me how someone riding around on a mount you cant get because you dont want to spend money is really breaking your game.
The NGE was quite literally game breaking, this is just fluff.
"Game breaking" is a matter of opinion. If you were there, you seen the SOE defence force come out in droves to back SOE at the time also via the forums. It came out later some of them were paid employees posting under an assumed name. Some of the ones that were actual later became "senators" in the NGE. I stayed for just about the entire 9 years, so while I surely didn't like it one bit, it just was not all that "game breaking" for me at least. What was game breaking was the 60-70% of the "goodbye" mails on my friends list. That one, SWG never rebounded from. You want that here?
It didn't and doesn't matter how large or even what the "CHANGE" was or is, it's the playerbase and how they handle or not handle it. SOE didn't get that thru their heads until T2 took over as Producer, and that was only after they did it all over again with the Chapter 6 Combat Downgrade in the NGE. And another 1/2 to 2/3rds took off, yet again and again, not coming back from that one either.
You honestly bought into the SOE arguments of "It wasn't the change, it was how we handled it" by not giving notice to the players that the game was changing?
You obviously didnt have a jedi before this, nor did you hologrind for two years to get a jedi, only to have lightsabers handed out to anyone that downloaded the game. That, indeed was gamebreaking. Changing it essentially from being a sandbox to a themepark was indeed gamebreaking. They changed the entire game from what it was, the NGE was the very definition of game breaking. Having someone ride around in a super rare mount by spending money they earned and have the right to spend, is not.
In fact, my jedi was pre-patch 9, before NERFWARS, before the holo-grind when you were told all the profs and the last 1 was silent, and way before CU. My jedi had perma-death. I unlocked with 6 profs while some others did most of the 32. 1 of the 1st on Kauri. And by the time the NGE came around, jedi had lost ALL of the alpha it had prior to patch 9. If you unlocked during the village, after NERFWARS, you didn't lose much at all. At that point in time, ANY good TKM could take a jedi no problem what-so-ever. I know, I had a 3 box BH/TK.
And, I hope for your sake that someone "ride around in a super rare mount by spending money" is all you end up with. Experience just tells me different for the long term. The Card Game, in the NGE started out with just houses, then came the buffs. STO started out with stuff easily obtained in the game, even ships (grind for them). Then came the patch that "fixed" the grind, it removed the ships from the grind. TOR, the same. etc etc etc right on down the lime. And WHEN (not if) your "fluff" doesn't sell well here either (at least it hasn't in ANY game to date) then you'll start seeing buffs, armor, weapons, etc etc etc that will sell, just as much as STO's OP ships do. Then you'll have P2W, pure and simple and from a beta vet back in STO, I'm positive you'll consider this period of time in ESO, "gamebreaking" as well.
I just have seen the progression soooo many times now that I will not see it here again. Cancelled sub and 4 hours left of DL for Elite Dangerous or I'd be playing, not making arguments over my canceled account on someone else's game forum.Edited by Esquire1980g_ESO on August 21, 2016 5:29AM2 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Every Single MMO you listed had their players leave in droves before F2P came along..Hell AOC lost like 80% of its subscribers in like the first 2 months alone.
That's actually, pretty normal. Most MMOs enjoy a huge popularity surge at launch, and then lose the vast majority of players before the second week is up.1 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Nero fiddles.
Rome burns.
I'd love to see ZOS comment on this without the intent to shut the thread down. Would let me know whether or not to pack bags or not.
Nothing is burning. Everyone reacted the same way with the cash shop and It's the most ethical and well done cash shop in an MMO in my opinion. I think ZOS will comment and they won't shut down the thread. After how they have handled the cash shop, I have faith they will handle this well also.
You call 25 bucks for a namechange ethical?
While there are very few problems with it, it's arrival marked a time when people started to begin to question whether or not ZOS was even lisening to us. It's become almost a meme now, that ZOS dosent lisen to player feedback.
So no. It is burning. Because even the people who trust ZOS are going "...Uhh. What."
I see you are new here, and havent had the pleasure of being with this game since launch. Zenimax has been the BEST at listening and actually changing things based on player opinions. I have played pretty much every game with a cash shop and I can tell you, this is one of the most tastefull, and most well done cash shop I have ever experienced. None of the things you can purchase impact your gameplay. All it will really do is give you mount envy when you see someone riding around that super rare mount.
Actually I was.
I bought the game once at launch, played in Beta actually, came back with Tamriel Unlimited. And since then, I have watched this game go down hill.
Nice try, cupcake.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on August 21, 2016 5:20AM3 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Prize boxes on Lord of the rings , Prize boxes in secret world , Age of Conan .. All dead after words .
http://massivelyop.com/2016/06/10/age-of-conans-revamped-item-shop-draws-ire-from-players/
Ummm
all 3 of the games you just listed are still alive.
In fact F2P with things like Lockboxes are why they're still alive.
Unhu ... Sure they are . Alive with a handful of players left . Look at what happened before they left in droves . Lock boxes , F2P ... Deserted by all but the most die hard fans . Try getting a group together in those . You'll waste most of your night . I know because ai still have accounts in all of them and log in once in a blue moon to look at the wasteland that was once a great game filled with players .
The players in all of them asked constantly for bug fixes and decent content but got rewarded with fancy cloths and mounts in lock boxes instead . The smart left early .
TSW was a ghost town even before f2p lol, Age of conan had that insta max level and royal treasure chest wich seems more bada than a cosmetic loot box...
I just want to say the fact that TSW was a ghost town before f2p is one of the biggest travesties i've seen in MMOs to date.
The combat wasn't revolutionary but man was it an amazing game.
It was an amazing setting, with fairly solid early game writing. The actual combat mechanics were pretty meh, once you peeled away the obtuse UI.0 -
Shimmer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsDoctordarkspawn wrote: »Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Nero fiddles.
Rome burns.
I'd love to see ZOS comment on this without the intent to shut the thread down. Would let me know whether or not to pack bags or not.
Nothing is burning. Everyone reacted the same way with the cash shop and It's the most ethical and well done cash shop in an MMO in my opinion. I think ZOS will comment and they won't shut down the thread. After how they have handled the cash shop, I have faith they will handle this well also.
You call 25 bucks for a namechange ethical?
While there are very few problems with it, it's arrival marked a time when people started to begin to question whether or not ZOS was even lisening to us. It's become almost a meme now, that ZOS dosent lisen to player feedback.
So no. It is burning. Because even the people who trust ZOS are going "...Uhh. What."
Before name changes were available, people were claiming they would pay anything for the ability to do it..race change, etc. You can always delete and re-roll with a new name if you want. Character name is service/cosmetic and you don't have to use it.
Yes, in my opinion it's the most ethical and well done cash shop in an MMO because it doesn't impact gameplay.
Yet.
And I've seen nothing to indicate that will ever change. When the cash shop first went live, the potions in the store were better than player made. I posted about it and they immediately took those items out of the shop until they were fixed to be less powerful than player made potions.
Yea, I have a reason to have faith they will do a good job. Their awesome track record.
Keep telling yourself that if that's what you truely believe. But personally? The ammount of people who are saying "I have seen it happen before" are not saying that for cheap kicks.
Most of the games they are listing with their "track records" were actually struggling and dying well before they even implemented their cash shops, and they added a cash shop as a last ditch effort. ESO was doing well before they did it, and are still doing fine because of the way they are doing it.0 -
Elijah_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsDoctordarkspawn wrote: »Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Nero fiddles.
Rome burns.
I'd love to see ZOS comment on this without the intent to shut the thread down. Would let me know whether or not to pack bags or not.
Nothing is burning. Everyone reacted the same way with the cash shop and It's the most ethical and well done cash shop in an MMO in my opinion. I think ZOS will comment and they won't shut down the thread. After how they have handled the cash shop, I have faith they will handle this well also.
You call 25 bucks for a namechange ethical?
While there are very few problems with it, it's arrival marked a time when people started to begin to question whether or not ZOS was even lisening to us. It's become almost a meme now, that ZOS dosent lisen to player feedback.
So no. It is burning. Because even the people who trust ZOS are going "...Uhh. What."
Before name changes were available, people were claiming they would pay anything for the ability to do it..race change, etc. You can always delete and re-roll with a new name if you want. Character name is service/cosmetic and you don't have to use it.
Yes, in my opinion it's the most ethical and well done cash shop in an MMO because it doesn't impact gameplay.
Yet.
And I've seen nothing to indicate that will ever change. When the cash shop first went live, the potions in the store were better than player made. I posted about it and they immediately took those items out of the shop until they were fixed to be less powerful than player made potions.
Yea, I have a reason to have faith they will do a good job. Their awesome track record.
Keep telling yourself that if that's what you truely believe. But personally? The ammount of people who are saying "I have seen it happen before" are not saying that for cheap kicks.
I'm glad you jumped into the game and decided to participate on the forums. But I've been here since beta and I've seen the game go buy to play, and the cash shop added, and now lock boxes. The game play is still the same and the team has listened to feed back and tread very carefully. I don't see that changing.1 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game..
I have a bunch of other facettes as well - it is not even psychology, but psychiatry - ICD is a disorder, a medical condition and that means it belongs to psychiatry, and not psychology. I have some professional knowledge about addiction based processes in the signal pathways of the brain - I am an Bioinformatician. I had as well lessons in Jura (which is "law") in university, even this was just for 2 semesters, covering the basics of german BGB, HGB and laws related to employment, because I wanted to have some basic knowledge for when I will found my own company. Things like the history of the Rothschild family should be common knowledge - they were the dominating private bankers in the 19th century.
So what is to laugh about that?- I think you have no idea of any of this and that makes you trying to ridicule me.
Excuse me, english its not my first nor second language, thanks for the correction.
Sorry I just find funny that you are bringing all these "i am very smart" arguments into a videogame discussion, that medical condition one was just the most hilarious.
Also, sorry for he off-topic, my bad.
you find this hilarious exactly why?- Because you didn't know the difference and said psychology?- I said medical condition because if a disorder requires a physician to treat it, because it is a medical condition, then it belongs to psychiatry and the physician is a psychiatrist. If it does not require a physician but is a disorder, which is not a medical condition, it can be treated by a psychologist and belongs to the field of psychology. So there is nothing to laugh about - these are just facts and the difference is quite huge, because it is by far harder and takes longer to become a psychiatrist than a psychologist. A psychologist is not a physician, but a psychiatrist is one, he can prescribe medicine, a psychologist is very limited in this.
With this said, I will no longer talk to you, I find you rather unpleasant.5 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Nero fiddles.
Rome burns.
I'd love to see ZOS comment on this without the intent to shut the thread down. Would let me know whether or not to pack bags or not.
Nothing is burning. Everyone reacted the same way with the cash shop and It's the most ethical and well done cash shop in an MMO in my opinion. I think ZOS will comment and they won't shut down the thread. After how they have handled the cash shop, I have faith they will handle this well also.
You call 25 bucks for a namechange ethical?
While there are very few problems with it, it's arrival marked a time when people started to begin to question whether or not ZOS was even lisening to us. It's become almost a meme now, that ZOS dosent lisen to player feedback.
So no. It is burning. Because even the people who trust ZOS are going "...Uhh. What."
Before name changes were available, people were claiming they would pay anything for the ability to do it..race change, etc. You can always delete and re-roll with a new name if you want. Character name is service/cosmetic and you don't have to use it.
Yes, in my opinion it's the most ethical and well done cash shop in an MMO because it doesn't impact gameplay.
Yet.
And I've seen nothing to indicate that will ever change. When the cash shop first went live, the potions in the store were better than player made. I posted about it and they immediately took those items out of the shop until they were fixed to be less powerful than player made potions.
Yea, I have a reason to have faith they will do a good job. Their awesome track record.
Keep telling yourself that if that's what you truely believe. But personally? The ammount of people who are saying "I have seen it happen before" are not saying that for cheap kicks.
I'm glad you jumped into the game and decided to participate on the forums. But I've been here since beta and I've seen the game go buy to play, and the cash shop added, and now lock boxes. The game play is still the same and the team has listened to feed back and tread very carefully. I don't see that changing.
So did I. And I do see that changing. Because it allways ***' does.1 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.I know what happened with those other games lol
I was there . I know why I left and I know why everyone on the forums left because I WAS THERE . lol
Say what ever you want . You're still just ...
Maybe you're happy and won't leave . Good . The problem is your not in the majority
An that's when development tanks .7 -
NewbieOKS✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Sorry to jump in ...don't want to be rude....but aren't we now going a bit off the main topic with the assumptions, conspiracy theory, and sarcasm in this thread?
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Elijah_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsRohamad_Ali wrote: »I know what happened with those other games lol
I was there . I know why I left and I know why everyone on the forums left because I WAS THERE . lol
Say what ever you want . You're still just ...
Maybe you're happy and won't leave . Good . The problem is your not in the majority
An that's when development tanks .
Actually you are not speaking for the majority. Sorry to tell you, but you are in the vocal minority.1 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsstarkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Prize boxes on Lord of the rings , Prize boxes in secret world , Age of Conan .. All dead after words .
http://massivelyop.com/2016/06/10/age-of-conans-revamped-item-shop-draws-ire-from-players/
Ummm
all 3 of the games you just listed are still alive.
In fact F2P with things like Lockboxes are why they're still alive.
TSW's a ghost town, man. I don't know about LOTR, though I haven't heard complimentary things. Age of Conan was desolate the last time I logged, but it's been a few years.
Hell, Funcom's trying to make a survival sandbox game out of its assets, and already did use TSW's assets in a cheap spinoff game. I don't know how bad the situation is over there, but it's not good.
I've played every single listed; TSW was a ghost town before Lockboxes and would of probably closed down by now if it wasn't for Free 2 Play. It was a very Niche title to begin with..and got a lot of unwarranted *** in my opinion during beta since I thought it was actually an amazing RPG.
LOTRO is chugging along like it always has... Lockboxes haven't managed to kill that game and its been f2p for years... It honestly would probably do better if it had a model update for the actual characters.
Age of Conan has been dead since the beginning and its massive screwups at the beginning of the game..It never recovered from its poor start and the only way its alive right now is its F2P system....Look at something that launched around the same time and didn't go F2P and see how it ended up (Warhammer Online)....and remember the Community absolutely Begged Mythic to make WAR F2P.
You don't suppose Conan's issues and TSW's issues had anything to do with Bylos repeatedly piloting his games into walls, do you? He was the one responsible for the 20-40 content in AoC... you know, the content that didn't exist. Also the TSW gates, that would smear anyone who wasn't brutally minmaxing.
With TSW, the introduction of grab bags coincided with the introduction of the augment grinding. The grinding is what killed the community. Funcom tried to lure people to the bags by sticking augments in them, but it didn't work, and a lot of the long term players managed to burn out. I watched it happen.
Used to be there was a coherent community floating around. The zones were desolate, but there were players. The last couple times I logged in? Not so much.
The introduction of bags did change the game, from a development perspective, and not for the better.
I don't know what the hell happened with Warhammer Online... but from what I know of Games Workshop's licensing practices, I doubt they had the ability to make it F2P. EA was certainly willing to kick games over that threshold when they had the option, so I don't think that was the issue at all.
Conan lost a lot of its playerbase after it released a PvP system that simply did not work.
It never recovered from the first month.
TSW caught *** cause if its combat system during beta, basically people thought it was ***...I thought it wasn't that bad...and it had excellent gameplay and story content. Its been a while since I logged into TSW but it probably suffers from the same fate as all old games do...Slow death. Its also probably only kept alive by those lockboxes you're crying about.
Warhammer Online died because it couldn't go F2P basically for what you stated...But every player would of happily accepted lockboxes in exchange for the game actually being worked on..or developed.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
ESO and GW2 PvP videos0 -
Shimmer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsDoctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Elijah_Crow wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Nero fiddles.
Rome burns.
I'd love to see ZOS comment on this without the intent to shut the thread down. Would let me know whether or not to pack bags or not.
Nothing is burning. Everyone reacted the same way with the cash shop and It's the most ethical and well done cash shop in an MMO in my opinion. I think ZOS will comment and they won't shut down the thread. After how they have handled the cash shop, I have faith they will handle this well also.
You call 25 bucks for a namechange ethical?
While there are very few problems with it, it's arrival marked a time when people started to begin to question whether or not ZOS was even lisening to us. It's become almost a meme now, that ZOS dosent lisen to player feedback.
So no. It is burning. Because even the people who trust ZOS are going "...Uhh. What."
I see you are new here, and havent had the pleasure of being with this game since launch. Zenimax has been the BEST at listening and actually changing things based on player opinions. I have played pretty much every game with a cash shop and I can tell you, this is one of the most tastefull, and most well done cash shop I have ever experienced. None of the things you can purchase impact your gameplay. All it will really do is give you mount envy when you see someone riding around that super rare mount.
Actually I was.
I bought the game once at launch, played in Beta actually, came back with Tamriel Unlimited. And since then, I have watched this game go down hill.
Nice try, cupcake.
New account then? Says you joined this month. Also if you were here you would know they have a pretty track record with listening to their player base and changing things.
This is a forum, please refrain from name calling, or baiting me into a flame war by using derogatory terms such as "cupcake".1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Sorry to jump in ...don't want to be rude....but aren't we now going a bit off the main topic with the assumptions, conspiracy theory, and sarcasm in this thread?
Little bit. It's kinda hard to tell sometimes, because the actual factors for the positions delve pretty heavily into experience with prior games and the behavior of other developers.
Unfortunately, ZOS did kinda bungle the announcement. They needed to have people on the forums doing full damage control... but, hey, we've got this forum fire now.2
This discussion has been closed.