What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gambleDoctordarkspawn wrote: »
I'm sorry are you actually trying to claim you speak for the majority of people in this game?
Out of 446 Votes, you've managed to squeeze out 300 if i'm being generous...You're not the majority of the game....
You are a bunch of whiners on the forum using hyperbole and false equivalency to push a terrible narrative.
One thing to note is that the majority of the forums - according to past polls - are also subscribers and/or buy crowns regularly. If people that do have money to spend on Crowns regularly are so adamant against this feature, I would like to know what people that can only buy Crowns every now and then think about it.starkerealm wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.
No its not
This is hyperbole.
Games don't die from lockboxes selling items you can't even trade with other players, esp items that are purely cosmetic.
yes it is, but its also been stated they will contain consumables and 'rare' crate only exclusive items, the only thing stated not included is Gear and Weapons.
I can see, as many others can, and have seen in other games, they will in the end contain the the most important gear progression items, which are classed as consumables, the upgrade mats ie: Alloys and Wax etc.
This also gives me a Deja vu feeling from other games which have done this as I have already noticed a decline in the drop rates of these items in game, and I farm a lot, every day and since last patch in my own experience there as been a noticeable difference
Oh, I'm sure they'd never stick alloy and wax in the box. It'd be some new universal upgrade mat, like Aetherial dust, or something. That you could plug into any item, and upgrade it to any tier. Including a tier above gold... maybe cyan, magenta, orange, or something, that was only possible with this new material.
Or, with housing coming, they could add crafting nodes to the boxes like GW2 did. In GW2, it is a consumable that adds a top tier node to your home instance for daily gathering :T
In GW2, it was tradable though.
300 people isn't even the majority on this forums; the AOE poll had 4000+ people and 87% of those people voted against AOE caps....
You really want to claim majority mate?
Also as someone who played GW2; Are you trying to say that Node was somehow game changing? Hell in the time it took me to go to my home instance to farm that node I could of hit 10 of them in the open world spots...Hell I had one of those nodes cause they gave it away or some BS if I recall....I visited it exactly 0 times when I played....Because there were bloody zero reason to go to the Home instance other then that actual node..and like I said..you could hit 10 of them actually farming in the time it took you to actually run back to that node.
I do, though. It is a very acceptable sample to estimate the overall situation. It is how public research is done, you know
The node was sold in the Auction House (better saying "central market") for around 700 Gold, so yeah, I would say so. And it wasn't even the most expensive item the boxes could drop.
So you could say "Oh but these boxes ZOS is introducing only have Crown Store stuff! They are not tradeable!".
Sure. Right now, that's all that is in there. But for how long?
Paraphrasing someone else in this very same thread, if we don't want step 2 to happen, we should start opposing to it on step 1. The more we accept, the more they push the limit. It was like this with GW2 too.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »I've come to the conclusion a vast majority of ESO players are morons.
There is exactly zero stuff that these boxes will contain that will have any actual effect on you in game...and yet...You're all talking about how this is the death of the game.
*** I played GW2 and they had these boxes....I had a crap ton of them just sitting in the bank and I maybe opened 1 the entire time I played from a key i randomly got.
The sheer absurdity of the posters in this thread is mind boggling...
Children are just one side of the coin - those can get addicted to gambling when exposed at a young age - the other side of the coin are people which are already gambling addicted or have a low level of self-control when it comes to things they want, even if they cannot afford those and it would bring them into an existence crisis or their family.
Ok Helen Lovejoy; if you can't handle box sales in a video game you can't handle being on the internet in the first place. In fact its safe to say you can't handle being anywhere at any given time in the United States since you'll be tempted by "chance"
I did not expect you to understand the deeper meaning of what an addiction means for the person being addicted. That they do not have control over their behavior anymore, that it is an impulse control disorder.
Impulse control disorder (ICD) is a class of psychiatric disorders characterized by impulsivity – failure to resist a temptation, urge or impulse that may harm oneself or others.
I understand the deeper meaning of it; I'm laughing at how absurd you're being by trying to say we shouldn't have any lock boxes because someone with ICD might play this game. Completely ignoring the fact that a person with ICD would have to deal with a myriad of other things in life before he even got to the point of playing this game. Basically you're using the "Think of the Children" argument for limiting something. Can't have Cokes, To much sugar in them, Think of the Children.....Someone might become addicted to ***, Lets ban it for everyone, Think of the Children....
hell....ESO is pretty violent; It might cause some kid to go on a murdering spree....Lets remove all fighting from the game cause Think of the Children.
What kind of an argument is this - basically saying - well, ICD people have problems anyway, so we can just put up another trap they can fall into without to even care, because they could as well fall into any other trap. And when we are on it, we make this trap really expensive for them and prey on their weakness and abuse them - they do not deserve better.
That is basically your point of view.
So lets remove fighting in this game; since it could potentially cause a violent person to become dangerous in Real Life; Sure it might just be 0.00001% of people who might do this...But Jeez why won't you think of the Children?"
This is not ICD - so this is not related to what we are talking about.
Ignore him. He comes on the forums every time there's at least anything any controversial and tells people it's not a problem and to shut up. There are better people to argue with.
Oh, I wish I knew this sooner, or I wouldn't have even replied to him :T
Glad the forum has an ignore feature, too.
He was there telling people who didn't like Bracings removel that 'Wrath is better for tanks than bracing ever was." He's a troll. Dont feed him. Hell. Look at his post. he didn't even -vote-.
Yeah, I'm sorry, I really didn't notice before >.<Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsDoctordarkspawn wrote: »THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.
No its not
This is hyperbole.
Games don't die from lockboxes selling items you can't even trade with other players, esp items that are purely cosmetic.
yes it is, but its also been stated they will contain consumables and 'rare' crate only exclusive items, the only thing stated not included is Gear and Weapons.
I can see, as many others can, and have seen in other games, they will in the end contain the the most important gear progression items, which are classed as consumables, the upgrade mats ie: Alloys and Wax etc.
This also gives me a Deja vu feeling from other games which have done this as I have already noticed a decline in the drop rates of these items in game, and I farm a lot, every day and since last patch in my own experience there as been a noticeable difference
Slippery Slope Fallacy
I suggest you look it up.
Also unless you can provide actual Math for your last statement I bolded....You're not fooling anyone.
Not slippery slope. Inference based on experience.
Do you exit your house through the second-floor window? No, because previous experience has told you that, in all but the direst of emergencies, this isn't a good idea and the best plan is to walk out of the door as always.
Other people have seen what the introduction of lootboxes have done to other MMOs. Using that experience to suggest similar things might occur here is the opposite of a logical fallacy. It is reasoning.[/quote]
A slippery slope argument (SSA), in logic, critical thinking, political rhetoric, and caselaw, is a consequentialist logical device in which a party asserts that a particular result will probably (or even must inevitably) follow from a given decision or circumstance, without necessarily providing any rational argument or demonstrable mechanism for the likelihood of the assumed consequence. A slippery slope argument proposes that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant (usually negative) effect, much like an object given a small push over the edge of a slope sliding all the way to the bottom.[1] The strength of such an argument depends on the warrant, i.e. whether or not one can demonstrate a process that leads to the significant effect. This type of argument is sometimes used as a form of fear mongering, in which the probable consequences of a given action are exaggerated in an attempt to scare the audience. The fallacious sense of "slippery slope" is often used synonymously with continuum fallacy, in that it ignores the possibility of middle ground and assumes a discrete transition from category A to category B. In a non-fallacious sense, including use as a legal principle, a middle-ground possibility is acknowledged, and reasoning is provided for the likelihood of the predicted outcome.
Like I said, Slippery Slope
By the way, the bolded part
We call that anecdotal fallacyhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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elvenmad✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.
300 people isn't even the majority on this forums; the AOE poll had 4000+ people and 87% of those people voted against AOE caps....
You really want to claim majority mate?
Also as someone who played GW2; Are you trying to say that Node was somehow game changing? Hell in the time it took me to go to my home instance to farm that node I could of hit 10 of them in the open world spots...Hell I had one of those nodes cause they gave it away or some BS if I recall....I visited it exactly 0 times when I played....Because there were bloody zero reason to go to the Home instance other then that actual node..and like I said..you could hit 10 of them actually farming in the time it took you to actually run back to that node.
Hmm, this thread as only been up a day, the 'majority' does not even know about this recent new announcement from ZOS.< PC - EU >1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.
300 people isn't even the majority on this forums; the AOE poll had 4000+ people and 87% of those people voted against AOE caps....
You really want to claim majority mate?
Also as someone who played GW2; Are you trying to say that Node was somehow game changing? Hell in the time it took me to go to my home instance to farm that node I could of hit 10 of them in the open world spots...Hell I had one of those nodes cause they gave it away or some BS if I recall....I visited it exactly 0 times when I played....Because there were bloody zero reason to go to the Home instance other then that actual node..and like I said..you could hit 10 of them actually farming in the time it took you to actually run back to that node.
Hmm, this thread as only been up a day, the 'majority' does not even know about this recent new announcement from ZOS.
Mind elaborating?
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.starkerealm wrote: »Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »From the percentages I'm seeing, looks like ZOS might have a bit of a NGE on their hands. (67%)
Hope it works out better for ZOS heads than it did for Smed. Sony sold Smed right out from under him, the new owners sent him home, and he didn't get enough of crowd funding to do a 2D game.
Adding boxes to a game is nowhere NEAR or even in the same BALLPARK as the NGE was.....
It is if 67% look the other way. Unless of course they are as willing as Rubinfield was to get rid of the existing player base thinking they'll get a boat-load more.
Thing is... Elder Scrolls is nowhere near as massive a property as Star Wars. Even after Skyrim's success, they've got a long way to go before they can afford to just blow off large chunks of their community.
for now they have just blown off a large junk of my game money, which will not end up in their wallet. This will make other developers happy, it is not that i will not spend it, it will just not be on ESO.2 -
Zeddakis✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Altercator wrote: »
Well then the message board must have done something weird, because I hit the quote button on your post, but didn't see it had another poster named.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
300 people isn't even the majority on this forums; the AOE poll had 4000+ people and 87% of those people voted against AOE caps....
You really want to claim majority mate?
Also as someone who played GW2; Are you trying to say that Node was somehow game changing? Hell in the time it took me to go to my home instance to farm that node I could of hit 10 of them in the open world spots...Hell I had one of those nodes cause they gave it away or some BS if I recall....I visited it exactly 0 times when I played....Because there were bloody zero reason to go to the Home instance other then that actual node..and like I said..you could hit 10 of them actually farming in the time it took you to actually run back to that node.
Hmm, this thread as only been up a day, the 'majority' does not even know about this recent new announcement from ZOS.
Mind elaborating?
There's been no official announcement through mainstream channels yet. That'll happen on Monday. Until then, most people who play the game don't even know the lucky bags are a thing. This is the fire of people who are already ahead of the curve. We're not going to see the real fallout for a couple days.2 -
OMA✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.What the f**k??!!! Are we ARCHEAGE, NEVERWINTER, STAR TREK ONLINE, SWTOR, EVERY OTHER FREE 2 Play, MMO??GAMBLING is not just a money suck, it's WRONG. It's BAD. It's GREEDY. One thing I loved about ESO was that it was not pay to win! It was not a greed fest with game makers taking you for everything they possibly could. I do not mind a cash shop, I do not mind that DLC is pay to play, I do not mind subscriptions or season passes. But I DO mind having to gamble with my money to get something I want. Just put up the items and let us buy it if we want it. That's it. No games, no GAMBLING. No GOTCHA's in ESO please!!!
ESO I DARE you to be Different, stay different! Don't fall for the standard MMO business model. Just make good content and I won't mind paying for cosmetics, subscriptions or DLC.12 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.starkerealm wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
300 people isn't even the majority on this forums; the AOE poll had 4000+ people and 87% of those people voted against AOE caps....
You really want to claim majority mate?
Also as someone who played GW2; Are you trying to say that Node was somehow game changing? Hell in the time it took me to go to my home instance to farm that node I could of hit 10 of them in the open world spots...Hell I had one of those nodes cause they gave it away or some BS if I recall....I visited it exactly 0 times when I played....Because there were bloody zero reason to go to the Home instance other then that actual node..and like I said..you could hit 10 of them actually farming in the time it took you to actually run back to that node.
Hmm, this thread as only been up a day, the 'majority' does not even know about this recent new announcement from ZOS.
Mind elaborating?
There's been no official announcement through mainstream channels yet. That'll happen on Monday. Until then, most people who play the game don't even know the lucky bags are a thing. This is the fire of people who are already ahead of the curve. We're not going to see the real fallout for a couple days.
Ohhhhh wooooow.
...I hope people start settin' some ***' trash fires when the news breaks.2 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsDoctordarkspawn wrote: »
I'm sorry are you actually trying to claim you speak for the majority of people in this game?
Out of 446 Votes, you've managed to squeeze out 300 if i'm being generous...You're not the majority of the game....
You are a bunch of whiners on the forum using hyperbole and false equivalency to push a terrible narrative.
One thing to note is that the majority of the forums - according to past polls - are also subscribers and/or buy crowns regularly. If people that do have money to spend on Crowns regularly are so adamant against this feature, I would like to know what people that can only buy Crowns every now and then think about it.starkerealm wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.
No its not
This is hyperbole.
Games don't die from lockboxes selling items you can't even trade with other players, esp items that are purely cosmetic.
yes it is, but its also been stated they will contain consumables and 'rare' crate only exclusive items, the only thing stated not included is Gear and Weapons.
I can see, as many others can, and have seen in other games, they will in the end contain the the most important gear progression items, which are classed as consumables, the upgrade mats ie: Alloys and Wax etc.
This also gives me a Deja vu feeling from other games which have done this as I have already noticed a decline in the drop rates of these items in game, and I farm a lot, every day and since last patch in my own experience there as been a noticeable difference
Oh, I'm sure they'd never stick alloy and wax in the box. It'd be some new universal upgrade mat, like Aetherial dust, or something. That you could plug into any item, and upgrade it to any tier. Including a tier above gold... maybe cyan, magenta, orange, or something, that was only possible with this new material.
Or, with housing coming, they could add crafting nodes to the boxes like GW2 did. In GW2, it is a consumable that adds a top tier node to your home instance for daily gathering :T
In GW2, it was tradable though.
300 people isn't even the majority on this forums; the AOE poll had 4000+ people and 87% of those people voted against AOE caps....
You really want to claim majority mate?
Also as someone who played GW2; Are you trying to say that Node was somehow game changing? Hell in the time it took me to go to my home instance to farm that node I could of hit 10 of them in the open world spots...Hell I had one of those nodes cause they gave it away or some BS if I recall....I visited it exactly 0 times when I played....Because there were bloody zero reason to go to the Home instance other then that actual node..and like I said..you could hit 10 of them actually farming in the time it took you to actually run back to that node.
I do, though. It is a very acceptable sample to estimate the overall situation. It is how public research is done, you know
The node was sold in the Auction House (better saying "central market") for around 700 Gold, so yeah, I would say so. And it wasn't even the most expensive item the boxes could drop.
So you could say "Oh but these boxes ZOS is introducing only have Crown Store stuff! They are not tradeable!".
Sure. Right now, that's all that is in there. But for how long?
Paraphrasing someone else in this very same thread, if we don't want step 2 to happen, we should start opposing to it on step 1. The more we accept, the more they push the limit. It was like this with GW2 too.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »I've come to the conclusion a vast majority of ESO players are morons.
There is exactly zero stuff that these boxes will contain that will have any actual effect on you in game...and yet...You're all talking about how this is the death of the game.
*** I played GW2 and they had these boxes....I had a crap ton of them just sitting in the bank and I maybe opened 1 the entire time I played from a key i randomly got.
The sheer absurdity of the posters in this thread is mind boggling...
Children are just one side of the coin - those can get addicted to gambling when exposed at a young age - the other side of the coin are people which are already gambling addicted or have a low level of self-control when it comes to things they want, even if they cannot afford those and it would bring them into an existence crisis or their family.
Ok Helen Lovejoy; if you can't handle box sales in a video game you can't handle being on the internet in the first place. In fact its safe to say you can't handle being anywhere at any given time in the United States since you'll be tempted by "chance"
I did not expect you to understand the deeper meaning of what an addiction means for the person being addicted. That they do not have control over their behavior anymore, that it is an impulse control disorder.
Impulse control disorder (ICD) is a class of psychiatric disorders characterized by impulsivity – failure to resist a temptation, urge or impulse that may harm oneself or others.
I understand the deeper meaning of it; I'm laughing at how absurd you're being by trying to say we shouldn't have any lock boxes because someone with ICD might play this game. Completely ignoring the fact that a person with ICD would have to deal with a myriad of other things in life before he even got to the point of playing this game. Basically you're using the "Think of the Children" argument for limiting something. Can't have Cokes, To much sugar in them, Think of the Children.....Someone might become addicted to ***, Lets ban it for everyone, Think of the Children....
hell....ESO is pretty violent; It might cause some kid to go on a murdering spree....Lets remove all fighting from the game cause Think of the Children.
What kind of an argument is this - basically saying - well, ICD people have problems anyway, so we can just put up another trap they can fall into without to even care, because they could as well fall into any other trap. And when we are on it, we make this trap really expensive for them and prey on their weakness and abuse them - they do not deserve better.
That is basically your point of view.
So lets remove fighting in this game; since it could potentially cause a violent person to become dangerous in Real Life; Sure it might just be 0.00001% of people who might do this...But Jeez why won't you think of the Children?"
This is not ICD - so this is not related to what we are talking about.
Ignore him. He comes on the forums every time there's at least anything any controversial and tells people it's not a problem and to shut up. There are better people to argue with.
Oh, I wish I knew this sooner, or I wouldn't have even replied to him :T
Glad the forum has an ignore feature, too.
He was there telling people who didn't like Bracings removel that 'Wrath is better for tanks than bracing ever was." He's a troll. Dont feed him. Hell. Look at his post. he didn't even -vote-.
Umm Bracing removal ended up being better for tanks, Because it ended up with far more sustain then it had before...and you if you really want Bracing you can still get in the form of Sturdy, and you ended up with 250 weapon damage and spell power which ended up helping Heavy Armor out in PvP.
In fact the sheer amount of people running Heavy Armor in PvP now should clue you in on how well the change ended up being.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Altercator wrote: »
Well then the message board must have done something weird, because I hit the quote button on your post, but didn't see it had another poster named.
It glitches out sometimes. Or when someone manually culls the quotes down, and keeps the wrong tags floating around. This is a real risk when you've got a quote structure, where there were two separate quote trees in one post.0 -
Mx13✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics
I did not expect you to understand the deeper meaning of what an addiction means for the person being addicted. That they do not have control over their behavior anymore, that it is an impulse control disorder.
Ok Helen Lovejoy; if you can't handle box sales in a video game you can't handle being on the internet in the first place. In fact its safe to say you can't handle being anywhere at any given time in the United States since you'll be tempted by "chance"
Children are just one side of the coin - those can get addicted to gambling when exposed at a young age - the other side of the coin are people which are already gambling addicted or have a low level of self-control when it comes to things they want, even if they cannot afford those and it would bring them into an existence crisis or their family.
Impulse control disorder (ICD) is a class of psychiatric disorders characterized by impulsivity – failure to resist a temptation, urge or impulse that may harm oneself or others.
I understand the deeper meaning of it; I'm laughing at how absurd you're being by trying to say we shouldn't have any lock boxes because someone with ICD might play this game. Completely ignoring the fact that a person with ICD would have to deal with a myriad of other things in life before he even got to the point of playing this game. Basically you're using the "Think of the Children" argument for limiting something. Can't have Cokes, To much sugar in them, Think of the Children.....Someone might become addicted to ***, Lets ban it for everyone, Think of the Children....
hell....ESO is pretty violent; It might cause some kid to go on a murdering spree....Lets remove all fighting from the game cause Think of the Children.
She transitioned from an historian to an expert lawyer and now is in the psychologist phase...in just 22 pages
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Just ignore trolls . Some people don't care if ZOS goes back on their word . They don't care if the cost of things go up and they just want to argue for argument sake . The facts remain , there is no game with this practice doing well , very much the opposite . Most everyone one of those games WAS doing well before fleecing customers . The stars are in alignment for F2P to show its ugly head next . How can we say that ? History with other MMOs ! You can't give people experience . You can't stop a troll from trolling either . Obviously if the majority of the room agrees on a issue and two or three are dismissive , you ignore the people with their heads in the sand ...4 -
Esquire1980g_ESO✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.starkerealm wrote: »Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »From the percentages I'm seeing, looks like ZOS might have a bit of a NGE on their hands. (67%)
Hope it works out better for ZOS heads than it did for Smed. Sony sold Smed right out from under him, the new owners sent him home, and he didn't get enough of crowd funding to do a 2D game.
Adding boxes to a game is nowhere NEAR or even in the same BALLPARK as the NGE was.....
It is if 67% look the other way. Unless of course they are as willing as Rubinfield was to get rid of the existing player base thinking they'll get a boat-load more.
Thing is... Elder Scrolls is nowhere near as massive a property as Star Wars. Even after Skyrim's success, they've got a long way to go before they can afford to just blow off large chunks of their community.
You bet. SWG didn't and couldn't come back from about 2/3rds of their playerbase taking a hike, either. And it had that IP and was the only game in town with that IP at that time.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsstarkerealm wrote: »Sure. Right now, that's all that is in there. But for how long?
Paraphrasing someone else in this very same thread, if we don't want step 2 to happen, we should start opposing to it on step 1. The more we accept, the more they push the limit. It was like this with GW2 too.
Incidentally, @Xsorus, that's not a slippery slope fallacy either. It's resisting "boiling a frog by degrees." Which is also a good idea for a rational and careful consumer, in case you were unclear on that point.
Yes it is a slippery slope fallacy
You assume One thing will lead to another with no basis to back up your claim.
That is Slippery Slope.
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
300 people isn't even the majority on this forums; the AOE poll had 4000+ people and 87% of those people voted against AOE caps....
You really want to claim majority mate?
Also as someone who played GW2; Are you trying to say that Node was somehow game changing? Hell in the time it took me to go to my home instance to farm that node I could of hit 10 of them in the open world spots...Hell I had one of those nodes cause they gave it away or some BS if I recall....I visited it exactly 0 times when I played....Because there were bloody zero reason to go to the Home instance other then that actual node..and like I said..you could hit 10 of them actually farming in the time it took you to actually run back to that node.
Hmm, this thread as only been up a day, the 'majority' does not even know about this recent new announcement from ZOS.
Mind elaborating?
There's been no official announcement through mainstream channels yet. That'll happen on Monday. Until then, most people who play the game don't even know the lucky bags are a thing. This is the fire of people who are already ahead of the curve. We're not going to see the real fallout for a couple days.
Ohhhhh wooooow.
...I hope people start settin' some ***' trash fires when the news breaks.
They weren't even going to tell us about this until someone got video of the presentation on YouTube. In fact, they decided not to stream it on Twitch a day before because of technical issues. Maybe "technical issues" should have scare quotes.
Yeah, this hasn't even gotten going yet.2 -
elvenmad✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.starkerealm wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
There's been no official announcement through mainstream channels yet. That'll happen on Monday. Until then, most people who play the game don't even know the lucky bags are a thing. This is the fire of people who are already ahead of the curve. We're not going to see the real fallout for a couple days.
Exactly, and then wait for the inevitable follow up when they announce the cost of the crates
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Zeddakis✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.First we had guild raffles, then RGB, now lock boxes. This game should have been called Gambling Online.2
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.starkerealm wrote: »Sure. Right now, that's all that is in there. But for how long?
Paraphrasing someone else in this very same thread, if we don't want step 2 to happen, we should start opposing to it on step 1. The more we accept, the more they push the limit. It was like this with GW2 too.
Incidentally, @Xsorus, that's not a slippery slope fallacy either. It's resisting "boiling a frog by degrees." Which is also a good idea for a rational and careful consumer, in case you were unclear on that point.
Yes it is a slippery slope fallacy
You assume One thing will lead to another with no basis to back up your claim.
That is Slippery Slope.
Nope. Go look it up.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.starkerealm wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
300 people isn't even the majority on this forums; the AOE poll had 4000+ people and 87% of those people voted against AOE caps....
You really want to claim majority mate?
Also as someone who played GW2; Are you trying to say that Node was somehow game changing? Hell in the time it took me to go to my home instance to farm that node I could of hit 10 of them in the open world spots...Hell I had one of those nodes cause they gave it away or some BS if I recall....I visited it exactly 0 times when I played....Because there were bloody zero reason to go to the Home instance other then that actual node..and like I said..you could hit 10 of them actually farming in the time it took you to actually run back to that node.
Hmm, this thread as only been up a day, the 'majority' does not even know about this recent new announcement from ZOS.
Mind elaborating?
There's been no official announcement through mainstream channels yet. That'll happen on Monday. Until then, most people who play the game don't even know the lucky bags are a thing. This is the fire of people who are already ahead of the curve. We're not going to see the real fallout for a couple days.
Ohhhhh wooooow.
...I hope people start settin' some ***' trash fires when the news breaks.
They weren't even going to tell us about this until someone got video of the presentation on YouTube. In fact, they decided not to stream it on Twitch a day before because of technical issues. Maybe "technical issues" should have scare quotes.
Yeah, this hasn't even gotten going yet.
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.starkerealm wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
There's been no official announcement through mainstream channels yet. That'll happen on Monday. Until then, most people who play the game don't even know the lucky bags are a thing. This is the fire of people who are already ahead of the curve. We're not going to see the real fallout for a couple days.
Exactly, and then wait for the inevitable follow up when they announce the cost of the crates
They already have. I think Gina said they were going to be 400 a piece.0 -
Mx13✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics
CSGO? Overwatch? hell even TF2 is doing just fine.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Just ignore trolls . Some people don't care if ZOS goes back on their word . They don't care if the cost of things go up and they just want to argue for argument sake . The facts remain , there is no game with this practice doing well , very much the opposite . Most everyone one of those games WAS doing well before fleecing customers . The stars are in alignment for F2P to show its ugly head next . How can we say that ? History with other MMOs ! You can't give people experience . You can't stop a troll from trolling either . Obviously if the majority of the room agrees on a issue and two or three are dismissive , you ignore the people with their heads in the sand ...1 -
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✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsEsquire1980g_ESO wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »From the percentages I'm seeing, looks like ZOS might have a bit of a NGE on their hands. (67%)
Hope it works out better for ZOS heads than it did for Smed. Sony sold Smed right out from under him, the new owners sent him home, and he didn't get enough of crowd funding to do a 2D game.
Adding boxes to a game is nowhere NEAR or even in the same BALLPARK as the NGE was.....
It is if 67% look the other way. Unless of course they are as willing as Rubinfield was to get rid of the existing player base thinking they'll get a boat-load more.
Thing is... Elder Scrolls is nowhere near as massive a property as Star Wars. Even after Skyrim's success, they've got a long way to go before they can afford to just blow off large chunks of their community.
You bet. SWG didn't and couldn't come back from about 2/3rds of their playerbase taking a hike, either. And it had that IP and was the only game in town with that IP at that time.
The reason SWG lost 2/3 of their player base was because they LITERALLY BROKE THE GAME. The NGE made it a completely different game then it was prior. Please see my above statement. You cant compare the NGE to adding lockboxes to the game. Your argument is absurd and has no basis on what is being announced. Please stop repeating yourself as it is literally mind boggling to think you consider this even close to the same thing.Edited by Shimmer on August 21, 2016 4:33AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.
CSGO? Overwatch? hell even TF2 is doing just fine.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Just ignore trolls . Some people don't care if ZOS goes back on their word . They don't care if the cost of things go up and they just want to argue for argument sake . The facts remain , there is no game with this practice doing well , very much the opposite . Most everyone one of those games WAS doing well before fleecing customers . The stars are in alignment for F2P to show its ugly head next . How can we say that ? History with other MMOs ! You can't give people experience . You can't stop a troll from trolling either . Obviously if the majority of the room agrees on a issue and two or three are dismissive , you ignore the people with their heads in the sand ...
CSGO is currently involved in a massive class action lawsuit over skin gambling... not exactly the definition of "fine" I'd cite.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsEsquire1980g_ESO wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »From the percentages I'm seeing, looks like ZOS might have a bit of a NGE on their hands. (67%)
Hope it works out better for ZOS heads than it did for Smed. Sony sold Smed right out from under him, the new owners sent him home, and he didn't get enough of crowd funding to do a 2D game.
Adding boxes to a game is nowhere NEAR or even in the same BALLPARK as the NGE was.....
It is if 67% look the other way. Unless of course they are as willing as Rubinfield was to get rid of the existing player base thinking they'll get a boat-load more.
Thing is... Elder Scrolls is nowhere near as massive a property as Star Wars. Even after Skyrim's success, they've got a long way to go before they can afford to just blow off large chunks of their community.
You bet. SWG didn't and couldn't come back from about 2/3rds of their playerbase taking a hike, either. And it had that IP and was the only game in town with that IP at that time.
Are you comparing Lockboxes to NGE?
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »From the percentages I'm seeing, looks like ZOS might have a bit of a NGE on their hands. (67%)
Hope it works out better for ZOS heads than it did for Smed. Sony sold Smed right out from under him, the new owners sent him home, and he didn't get enough of crowd funding to do a 2D game.
Adding boxes to a game is nowhere NEAR or even in the same BALLPARK as the NGE was.....
It is if 67% look the other way. Unless of course they are as willing as Rubinfield was to get rid of the existing player base thinking they'll get a boat-load more.
Thing is... Elder Scrolls is nowhere near as massive a property as Star Wars. Even after Skyrim's success, they've got a long way to go before they can afford to just blow off large chunks of their community.
You bet. SWG didn't and couldn't come back from about 2/3rds of their playerbase taking a hike, either. And it had that IP and was the only game in town with that IP at that time.
The reason SWG lost 2/3 of their player base was because they LITERALLY BROKE THE GAME. The NGE made it a completely different game then it was prior. Please see my above statement. You cant compare the NGE to adding lockboxes to the game. Your argument is absurd and has no basis on what is being announced. Please stop repeating yourself as it is literally mind boggling to think you consider this even close to the same thing.
I hadn't said anything about NGE until this post. Please try to remember who you're talking to. I know it's a difficult burden to bare, but it helps.
And, yeah, the risk of a large playerbase hit is a real concern. I wouldn't use NGE as my first metric, but there are examples of other games going to lockbox models.Edited by starkerealm on August 21, 2016 4:35AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsstarkerealm wrote: »
CSGO? Overwatch? hell even TF2 is doing just fine.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Just ignore trolls . Some people don't care if ZOS goes back on their word . They don't care if the cost of things go up and they just want to argue for argument sake . The facts remain , there is no game with this practice doing well , very much the opposite . Most everyone one of those games WAS doing well before fleecing customers . The stars are in alignment for F2P to show its ugly head next . How can we say that ? History with other MMOs ! You can't give people experience . You can't stop a troll from trolling either . Obviously if the majority of the room agrees on a issue and two or three are dismissive , you ignore the people with their heads in the sand ...
CSGO is currently involved in a massive class action lawsuit over skin gambling... not exactly the definition of "fine" I'd cite.
I'd say being one of the most played games in the world would be something i'd say is fine.
Hell SWTOR a game a lot of you malign on this forum makes money hand over fist......https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.starkerealm wrote: »
CSGO? Overwatch? hell even TF2 is doing just fine.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Just ignore trolls . Some people don't care if ZOS goes back on their word . They don't care if the cost of things go up and they just want to argue for argument sake . The facts remain , there is no game with this practice doing well , very much the opposite . Most everyone one of those games WAS doing well before fleecing customers . The stars are in alignment for F2P to show its ugly head next . How can we say that ? History with other MMOs ! You can't give people experience . You can't stop a troll from trolling either . Obviously if the majority of the room agrees on a issue and two or three are dismissive , you ignore the people with their heads in the sand ...
CSGO is currently involved in a massive class action lawsuit over skin gambling... not exactly the definition of "fine" I'd cite.
I'd say being one of the most played games in the world would be something i'd say is fine.
Hell SWTOR a game a lot of you malign on this forum makes money hand over fist......
Yeah, but no one is actually suing TOR in a class action for unspecified damages. TOR's also a terrible game, so it has that going for it.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gambleRohamad_Ali wrote: »Just ignore trolls . Some people don't care if ZOS goes back on their word . They don't care if the cost of things go up and they just want to argue for argument sake . The facts remain , there is no game with this practice doing well , very much the opposite . Most everyone one of those games WAS doing well before fleecing customers . The stars are in alignment for F2P to show its ugly head next . How can we say that ? History with other MMOs ! You can't give people experience . You can't stop a troll from trolling either . Obviously if the majority of the room agrees on a issue and two or three are dismissive , you ignore the people with their heads in the sand ...
Pretty much, yeah.
We saw this happen before, over and over again in other MMOs. It is interesting how so many MMOs go through these same steps, don't you think? No RNG boxes, then RNG boxes but no P2W, then slight advantage for cash, then bigger advantage for cash.
It would be lovely to see ESO break the mold and stay where it is. But it happened to too many MMOs before, and the odds are against us on this.Edited by Abeille on August 21, 2016 4:38AMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
CSGO? Overwatch? hell even TF2 is doing just fine.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Just ignore trolls . Some people don't care if ZOS goes back on their word . They don't care if the cost of things go up and they just want to argue for argument sake . The facts remain , there is no game with this practice doing well , very much the opposite . Most everyone one of those games WAS doing well before fleecing customers . The stars are in alignment for F2P to show its ugly head next . How can we say that ? History with other MMOs ! You can't give people experience . You can't stop a troll from trolling either . Obviously if the majority of the room agrees on a issue and two or three are dismissive , you ignore the people with their heads in the sand ...
CSGO is currently involved in a massive class action lawsuit over skin gambling... not exactly the definition of "fine" I'd cite.
I'd say being one of the most played games in the world would be something i'd say is fine.
Hell SWTOR a game a lot of you malign on this forum makes money hand over fist......
Yeah, but no one is actually suing TOR in a class action for unspecified damages. TOR's also a terrible game, so it has that going for it.
Said it before, say it again. Stop responding to him, he has nothing constructive to say. Look at his post. he did not even vote.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on August 21, 2016 4:38AM2
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