What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?
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elvenmad✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.
No its not
This is hyperbole.
Games don't die from lockboxes selling items you can't even trade with other players, esp items that are purely cosmetic.
yes it is, but its also been stated they will contain consumables and 'rare' crate only exclusive items, the only thing stated not included is Gear and Weapons.
I can see, as many others can, and have seen in other games, they will in the end contain the the most important gear progression items, which are classed as consumables, the upgrade mats ie: Alloys and Wax etc.
This also gives me a Deja vu feeling from other games which have done this as I have already noticed a decline in the drop rates of these items in game, and I farm a lot, every day and since last patch in my own experience there as been a noticeable difference
Edited by elvenmad on August 21, 2016 3:54AM< PC - EU >2 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsDoctordarkspawn wrote: »THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.
No its not
This is hyperbole.
Games don't die from lockboxes selling items you can't even trade with other players, esp items that are purely cosmetic.
Yes it is
No; No its not...I can base this on the vast majority of MMO's that have lockboxes and still very much alive.
In fact the vast majority of MMO's that have closed down didn't have lockboxes, and they closed down based on the fact that weren't producing money.
Wtf did I just read?
I'm done with you, you go to the ignore list
I'm sorry you don't understand that the vast majority of MMOs that have closed up shop didn't have lockboxes, is there something mystical about what I wrote that you don't understand...Or you just can't argue the point and running away sounded like a better option..https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsI've come to the conclusion a vast majority of ESO players are morons.
There is exactly zero stuff that these boxes will contain that will have any actual effect on you in game...and yet...You're all talking about how this is the death of the game.
*** I played GW2 and they had these boxes....I had a crap ton of them just sitting in the bank and I maybe opened 1 the entire time I played from a key i randomly got.
The sheer absurdity of the posters in this thread is mind boggling...
Children are just one side of the coin - those can get addicted to gambling when exposed at a young age - the other side of the coin are people which are already gambling addicted or have a low level of self-control when it comes to things they want, even if they cannot afford those and it would bring them into an existence crisis or their family.
Ok Helen Lovejoy; if you can't handle box sales in a video game you can't handle being on the internet in the first place. In fact its safe to say you can't handle being anywhere at any given time in the United States since you'll be tempted by "chance"
I did not expect you to understand the deeper meaning of what an addiction means for the person being addicted. That they do not have control over their behavior anymore, that it is an impulse control disorder.
Impulse control disorder (ICD) is a class of psychiatric disorders characterized by impulsivity – failure to resist a temptation, urge or impulse that may harm oneself or others.
I understand the deeper meaning of it; I'm laughing at how absurd you're being by trying to say we shouldn't have any lock boxes because someone with ICD might play this game. Completely ignoring the fact that a person with ICD would have to deal with a myriad of other things in life before he even got to the point of playing this game. Basically you're using the "Think of the Children" argument for limiting something. Can't have Cokes, To much sugar in them, Think of the Children.....Someone might become addicted to ***, Lets ban it for everyone, Think of the Children....
hell....ESO is pretty violent; It might cause some kid to go on a murdering spree....Lets remove all fighting from the game cause Think of the Children.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
ESO and GW2 PvP videos3 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.
No its not
This is hyperbole.
Games don't die from lockboxes selling items you can't even trade with other players, esp items that are purely cosmetic.
yes it is, but its also been stated they will contain consumables and 'rare' crate only exclusive items, the only thing stated not included is Gear and Weapons.
I can see, as many others can, and have seen in other games, they will in the end contain the the most important gear progression items, which are classed as consumables, the upgrade mats ie: Alloys and Wax etc.
This also gives me a Deja vu feeling from other games which have done this as I have already noticed a decline in the drop rates of these items in game, and I farm a lot, every day and since last patch in my own experience there as been a noticeable difference
Oh, I'm sure they'd never stick alloy and wax in the box. It'd be some new universal upgrade mat, like Aetherial dust, or something. That you could plug into any item, and upgrade it to any tier. Including a tier above gold... maybe cyan, magenta, orange, or something, that was only possible with this new material.2 -
Shimmer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Thanks for your thoughts on the upcoming Crown Crates, everyone. Just want to clarify a few points -
First, Crown Crates will be available later this year, and will only include cosmetic or convenience items. You'll find things like potions and other consumables, pets, costumes, and - yes - sometimes even mounts. This will give you a chance to try and obtain previous limited time offers, or even some very unique items as Matt mentioned. It will not include things like armor or weapons.
In the event you get an item that you already own, you can exchange it for a currency called Crown Gems which will allow you to buy a different item of your choice.
This is actually a great decision. The crown gem exchange. What I was worried about was a horrible experience like in SWTOR when they implemented the boxes and people sold everything they got that was rare and bought things that were super expensive that they otherwise wouldnt be able to obtain, thus making it literally pay to win.
Ive played MANY of the games before and after they implemented these boxes, and it really isnt game changing. I would get some serious mount envy though when I saw someone riding a super rare mount out of one though
Look ESO is a great game, and they need to make money somehow and I honestly thing this is a great way for them to make some money to pump out more content for us. Plus....SHINIES!!1 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsDoctordarkspawn wrote: »THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.
No its not
This is hyperbole.
Games don't die from lockboxes selling items you can't even trade with other players, esp items that are purely cosmetic.
yes it is, but its also been stated they will contain consumables and 'rare' crate only exclusive items, the only thing stated not included is Gear and Weapons.
I can see, as many others can, and have seen in other games, they will in the end contain the the most important gear progression items, which are classed as consumables, the upgrade mats ie: Alloys and Wax etc.
This also gives me a Deja vu feeling from other games which have done this as I have already noticed a decline in the drop rates of these items in game, and I farm a lot, every day and since last patch in my own experience there as been a noticeable difference
Slippery Slope Fallacy
I suggest you look it up.
Also unless you can provide actual Math for your last statement I bolded....You're not fooling anyone.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
ESO and GW2 PvP videos2 -
Wow✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Can We Stop Predatory Practices?I'm a Godot Engine and GameMaker enthusiast from the most populated island on earth, Java, Indonesia. Coffee is my staple fuel, and durian is my favourite fruit. I'm currently building a Visual Novel.5 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.I've come to the conclusion a vast majority of ESO players are morons.
There is exactly zero stuff that these boxes will contain that will have any actual effect on you in game...and yet...You're all talking about how this is the death of the game.
*** I played GW2 and they had these boxes....I had a crap ton of them just sitting in the bank and I maybe opened 1 the entire time I played from a key i randomly got.
The sheer absurdity of the posters in this thread is mind boggling...
Children are just one side of the coin - those can get addicted to gambling when exposed at a young age - the other side of the coin are people which are already gambling addicted or have a low level of self-control when it comes to things they want, even if they cannot afford those and it would bring them into an existence crisis or their family.
Ok Helen Lovejoy; if you can't handle box sales in a video game you can't handle being on the internet in the first place. In fact its safe to say you can't handle being anywhere at any given time in the United States since you'll be tempted by "chance"
I did not expect you to understand the deeper meaning of what an addiction means for the person being addicted. That they do not have control over their behavior anymore, that it is an impulse control disorder.
Impulse control disorder (ICD) is a class of psychiatric disorders characterized by impulsivity – failure to resist a temptation, urge or impulse that may harm oneself or others.
I understand the deeper meaning of it; I'm laughing at how absurd you're being by trying to say we shouldn't have any lock boxes because someone with ICD might play this game. Completely ignoring the fact that a person with ICD would have to deal with a myriad of other things in life before he even got to the point of playing this game. Basically you're using the "Think of the Children" argument for limiting something. Can't have Cokes, To much sugar in them, Think of the Children.....Someone might become addicted to ***, Lets ban it for everyone, Think of the Children....
hell....ESO is pretty violent; It might cause some kid to go on a murdering spree....Lets remove all fighting from the game cause Think of the Children.
What kind of an argument is this - basically saying - well, ICD people have problems anyway, so we can just put up another trap they can fall into without to even care, because they could as well fall into any other trap. And when we are on it, we make this trap really expensive for them and prey on their weakness and abuse them - they do not deserve better.
That is basically your point of view.4 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsI've come to the conclusion a vast majority of ESO players are morons.
There is exactly zero stuff that these boxes will contain that will have any actual effect on you in game...and yet...You're all talking about how this is the death of the game.
*** I played GW2 and they had these boxes....I had a crap ton of them just sitting in the bank and I maybe opened 1 the entire time I played from a key i randomly got.
The sheer absurdity of the posters in this thread is mind boggling...
Children are just one side of the coin - those can get addicted to gambling when exposed at a young age - the other side of the coin are people which are already gambling addicted or have a low level of self-control when it comes to things they want, even if they cannot afford those and it would bring them into an existence crisis or their family.
Ok Helen Lovejoy; if you can't handle box sales in a video game you can't handle being on the internet in the first place. In fact its safe to say you can't handle being anywhere at any given time in the United States since you'll be tempted by "chance"
I did not expect you to understand the deeper meaning of what an addiction means for the person being addicted. That they do not have control over their behavior anymore, that it is an impulse control disorder.
Impulse control disorder (ICD) is a class of psychiatric disorders characterized by impulsivity – failure to resist a temptation, urge or impulse that may harm oneself or others.
I understand the deeper meaning of it; I'm laughing at how absurd you're being by trying to say we shouldn't have any lock boxes because someone with ICD might play this game. Completely ignoring the fact that a person with ICD would have to deal with a myriad of other things in life before he even got to the point of playing this game. Basically you're using the "Think of the Children" argument for limiting something. Can't have Cokes, To much sugar in them, Think of the Children.....Someone might become addicted to ***, Lets ban it for everyone, Think of the Children....
hell....ESO is pretty violent; It might cause some kid to go on a murdering spree....Lets remove all fighting from the game cause Think of the Children.
What kind of an argument is this - basically saying - well, ICD people have problems anyway, so we can just put up another trap they can fall into without to even care, because they could as well fall into any other trap. And when we are on it, we make this trap really expensive for them and prey on their weakness and abuse them - they do not deserve better.
That is basically your point of view.
So lets remove fighting in this game; since it could potentially cause a violent person to become dangerous in Real Life; Sure it might just be 0.00001% of people who might do this...But Jeez why won't you think of the Children?"
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
ESO and GW2 PvP videos1 -
Esquire1980g_ESO✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.From the percentages I'm seeing, looks like ZOS might have a bit of a NGE on their hands. (67%)
Hope it works out better for ZOS heads than it did for Smed. Sony sold Smed right out from under him, the new owners sent him home, and he didn't get enough of crowd funding to do a 2D game.
I believe what ZOS might need to understand on this 1 is; that if we wanted to play games with lockboxes we'd be there. Maybe, just maybe, the reasoning for us being here in the 1st place is the fact that there was no such thing in ESO.Edited by Esquire1980g_ESO on August 21, 2016 4:08AM4 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble
I'm sorry are you actually trying to claim you speak for the majority of people in this game?
Out of 446 Votes, you've managed to squeeze out 300 if i'm being generous...You're not the majority of the game....
You are a bunch of whiners on the forum using hyperbole and false equivalency to push a terrible narrative.
One thing to note is that the majority of the forums - according to past polls - are also subscribers and/or buy crowns regularly. If people that do have money to spend on Crowns regularly are so adamant against this feature, I would like to know what people that can only buy Crowns every now and then think about it.starkerealm wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.
No its not
This is hyperbole.
Games don't die from lockboxes selling items you can't even trade with other players, esp items that are purely cosmetic.
yes it is, but its also been stated they will contain consumables and 'rare' crate only exclusive items, the only thing stated not included is Gear and Weapons.
I can see, as many others can, and have seen in other games, they will in the end contain the the most important gear progression items, which are classed as consumables, the upgrade mats ie: Alloys and Wax etc.
This also gives me a Deja vu feeling from other games which have done this as I have already noticed a decline in the drop rates of these items in game, and I farm a lot, every day and since last patch in my own experience there as been a noticeable difference
Oh, I'm sure they'd never stick alloy and wax in the box. It'd be some new universal upgrade mat, like Aetherial dust, or something. That you could plug into any item, and upgrade it to any tier. Including a tier above gold... maybe cyan, magenta, orange, or something, that was only possible with this new material.
Or, with housing coming, they could add crafting nodes to the boxes like GW2 did. In GW2, it is a consumable that adds a top tier node to your home instance for daily gathering :T
In GW2, it was tradable though.Edited by Abeille on August 21, 2016 4:05AMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.
No its not
This is hyperbole.
Games don't die from lockboxes selling items you can't even trade with other players, esp items that are purely cosmetic.
yes it is, but its also been stated they will contain consumables and 'rare' crate only exclusive items, the only thing stated not included is Gear and Weapons.
I can see, as many others can, and have seen in other games, they will in the end contain the the most important gear progression items, which are classed as consumables, the upgrade mats ie: Alloys and Wax etc.
This also gives me a Deja vu feeling from other games which have done this as I have already noticed a decline in the drop rates of these items in game, and I farm a lot, every day and since last patch in my own experience there as been a noticeable difference
Slippery Slope Fallacy
I suggest you look it up.
Also unless you can provide actual Math for your last statement I bolded....You're not fooling anyone.
Not slippery slope. Inference based on experience.
Do you exit your house through the second-floor window? No, because previous experience has told you that, in all but the direst of emergencies, this isn't a good idea and the best plan is to walk out of the door as always.
Other people have seen what the introduction of lootboxes have done to other MMOs. Using that experience to suggest similar things might occur here is the opposite of a logical fallacy. It is reasoning.Edited by Iluvrien on August 21, 2016 4:07AM8 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.I've come to the conclusion a vast majority of ESO players are morons.
There is exactly zero stuff that these boxes will contain that will have any actual effect on you in game...and yet...You're all talking about how this is the death of the game.
*** I played GW2 and they had these boxes....I had a crap ton of them just sitting in the bank and I maybe opened 1 the entire time I played from a key i randomly got.
The sheer absurdity of the posters in this thread is mind boggling...
Children are just one side of the coin - those can get addicted to gambling when exposed at a young age - the other side of the coin are people which are already gambling addicted or have a low level of self-control when it comes to things they want, even if they cannot afford those and it would bring them into an existence crisis or their family.
Ok Helen Lovejoy; if you can't handle box sales in a video game you can't handle being on the internet in the first place. In fact its safe to say you can't handle being anywhere at any given time in the United States since you'll be tempted by "chance"
I did not expect you to understand the deeper meaning of what an addiction means for the person being addicted. That they do not have control over their behavior anymore, that it is an impulse control disorder.
Impulse control disorder (ICD) is a class of psychiatric disorders characterized by impulsivity – failure to resist a temptation, urge or impulse that may harm oneself or others.
I understand the deeper meaning of it; I'm laughing at how absurd you're being by trying to say we shouldn't have any lock boxes because someone with ICD might play this game. Completely ignoring the fact that a person with ICD would have to deal with a myriad of other things in life before he even got to the point of playing this game. Basically you're using the "Think of the Children" argument for limiting something. Can't have Cokes, To much sugar in them, Think of the Children.....Someone might become addicted to ***, Lets ban it for everyone, Think of the Children....
hell....ESO is pretty violent; It might cause some kid to go on a murdering spree....Lets remove all fighting from the game cause Think of the Children.
What kind of an argument is this - basically saying - well, ICD people have problems anyway, so we can just put up another trap they can fall into without to even care, because they could as well fall into any other trap. And when we are on it, we make this trap really expensive for them and prey on their weakness and abuse them - they do not deserve better.
That is basically your point of view.
So lets remove fighting in this game; since it could potentially cause a violent person to become dangerous in Real Life; Sure it might just be 0.00001% of people who might do this...But Jeez why won't you think of the Children?"
This is not ICD - so this is not related to what we are talking about.4 -
Shimmer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsEsquire1980g_ESO wrote: »From the percentages I'm seeing, looks like ZOS might have a bit of a NGE on their hands. (67%)
Hope it works out better for ZOS heads than it did for Smed. Sony sold Smed right out from under him, the new owners sent him home, and he didn't get enough of crowd funding to do a 2D game.
Adding boxes to a game is nowhere NEAR or even in the same BALLPARK as the NGE was.....2 -
Graydon✭✭✭✭✭Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmeticsI've come to the conclusion a vast majority of ESO players are morons.
There is exactly zero stuff that these boxes will contain that will have any actual effect on you in game...and yet...You're all talking about how this is the death of the game.
*** I played GW2 and they had these boxes....I had a crap ton of them just sitting in the bank and I maybe opened 1 the entire time I played from a key i randomly got.
The sheer absurdity of the posters in this thread is mind boggling...
Children are just one side of the coin - those can get addicted to gambling when exposed at a young age - the other side of the coin are people which are already gambling addicted or have a low level of self-control when it comes to things they want, even if they cannot afford those and it would bring them into an existence crisis or their family.
Ok Helen Lovejoy; if you can't handle box sales in a video game you can't handle being on the internet in the first place. In fact its safe to say you can't handle being anywhere at any given time in the United States since you'll be tempted by "chance"
I did not expect you to understand the deeper meaning of what an addiction means for the person being addicted. That they do not have control over their behavior anymore, that it is an impulse control disorder.
Impulse control disorder (ICD) is a class of psychiatric disorders characterized by impulsivity – failure to resist a temptation, urge or impulse that may harm oneself or others.
I understand the deeper meaning of it; I'm laughing at how absurd you're being by trying to say we shouldn't have any lock boxes because someone with ICD might play this game. Completely ignoring the fact that a person with ICD would have to deal with a myriad of other things in life before he even got to the point of playing this game. Basically you're using the "Think of the Children" argument for limiting something. Can't have Cokes, To much sugar in them, Think of the Children.....Someone might become addicted to ***, Lets ban it for everyone, Think of the Children....
hell....ESO is pretty violent; It might cause some kid to go on a murdering spree....Lets remove all fighting from the game cause Think of the Children.
What kind of an argument is this - basically saying - well, ICD people have problems anyway, so we can just put up another trap they can fall into without to even care, because they could as well fall into any other trap. And when we are on it, we make this trap really expensive for them and prey on their weakness and abuse them - they do not deserve better.
That is basically your point of view.
Uhm....
Just wow! Wow at the absurdity of your argument.1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.starkerealm wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.
No its not
This is hyperbole.
Games don't die from lockboxes selling items you can't even trade with other players, esp items that are purely cosmetic.
yes it is, but its also been stated they will contain consumables and 'rare' crate only exclusive items, the only thing stated not included is Gear and Weapons.
I can see, as many others can, and have seen in other games, they will in the end contain the the most important gear progression items, which are classed as consumables, the upgrade mats ie: Alloys and Wax etc.
This also gives me a Deja vu feeling from other games which have done this as I have already noticed a decline in the drop rates of these items in game, and I farm a lot, every day and since last patch in my own experience there as been a noticeable difference
Oh, I'm sure they'd never stick alloy and wax in the box. It'd be some new universal upgrade mat, like Aetherial dust, or something. That you could plug into any item, and upgrade it to any tier. Including a tier above gold... maybe cyan, magenta, orange, or something, that was only possible with this new material.
Or, with housing coming, they could add crafting nodes to the boxes like GW2 did. In GW2, it is a consumable that adds a top tier node to your home instance for daily gathering :T
In GW2, it was tradable though.
Why you gotta put that image in my head?
I suppose it could be worse. STO's player housing (Guild housing, really) had a real money value of somewhere around five or six hundred dollars, when you accounted for the dilithium costs.
Doesn't make me feel any better though. 0 -
Graydon✭✭✭✭✭Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmeticsI'm happy to finally have a reason to spend my stockpiled crowns.2
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Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics
I'm sorry are you actually trying to claim you speak for the majority of people in this game?
Out of 446 Votes, you've managed to squeeze out 300 if i'm being generous...You're not the majority of the game....
You are a bunch of whiners on the forum using hyperbole and false equivalency to push a terrible narrative.
One thing to note is that the majority of the forums - according to past polls - are also subscribers and/or buy crowns regularly. If people that do have money to spend on Crowns regularly are so adamant against this feature, I would like to know what people that can only buy Crowns every now and then think about it.starkerealm wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.
No its not
This is hyperbole.
Games don't die from lockboxes selling items you can't even trade with other players, esp items that are purely cosmetic.
yes it is, but its also been stated they will contain consumables and 'rare' crate only exclusive items, the only thing stated not included is Gear and Weapons.
I can see, as many others can, and have seen in other games, they will in the end contain the the most important gear progression items, which are classed as consumables, the upgrade mats ie: Alloys and Wax etc.
This also gives me a Deja vu feeling from other games which have done this as I have already noticed a decline in the drop rates of these items in game, and I farm a lot, every day and since last patch in my own experience there as been a noticeable difference
Oh, I'm sure they'd never stick alloy and wax in the box. It'd be some new universal upgrade mat, like Aetherial dust, or something. That you could plug into any item, and upgrade it to any tier. Including a tier above gold... maybe cyan, magenta, orange, or something, that was only possible with this new material.
Or, with housing coming, they could add crafting nodes to the boxes like GW2 did. In GW2, it is a consumable that adds a top tier node to your home instance for daily gathering :T
In GW2, it was tradable though.
300 people isn't even the majority on this forums; the AOE poll had 4000+ people and 87% of those people voted against AOE caps....
You really want to claim majority mate?
Also as someone who played GW2; Are you trying to say that Node was somehow game changing? Hell in the time it took me to go to my home instance to farm that node I could of hit 10 of them in the open world spots...Hell I had one of those nodes cause they gave it away or some BS if I recall....I visited it exactly 0 times when I played....Because there were bloody zero reason to go to the Home instance other then that actual node..and like I said..you could hit 10 of them actually farming in the time it took you to actually run back to that node.
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.I've come to the conclusion a vast majority of ESO players are morons.
There is exactly zero stuff that these boxes will contain that will have any actual effect on you in game...and yet...You're all talking about how this is the death of the game.
*** I played GW2 and they had these boxes....I had a crap ton of them just sitting in the bank and I maybe opened 1 the entire time I played from a key i randomly got.
The sheer absurdity of the posters in this thread is mind boggling...
Children are just one side of the coin - those can get addicted to gambling when exposed at a young age - the other side of the coin are people which are already gambling addicted or have a low level of self-control when it comes to things they want, even if they cannot afford those and it would bring them into an existence crisis or their family.
Ok Helen Lovejoy; if you can't handle box sales in a video game you can't handle being on the internet in the first place. In fact its safe to say you can't handle being anywhere at any given time in the United States since you'll be tempted by "chance"
I did not expect you to understand the deeper meaning of what an addiction means for the person being addicted. That they do not have control over their behavior anymore, that it is an impulse control disorder.
Impulse control disorder (ICD) is a class of psychiatric disorders characterized by impulsivity – failure to resist a temptation, urge or impulse that may harm oneself or others.
I understand the deeper meaning of it; I'm laughing at how absurd you're being by trying to say we shouldn't have any lock boxes because someone with ICD might play this game. Completely ignoring the fact that a person with ICD would have to deal with a myriad of other things in life before he even got to the point of playing this game. Basically you're using the "Think of the Children" argument for limiting something. Can't have Cokes, To much sugar in them, Think of the Children.....Someone might become addicted to ***, Lets ban it for everyone, Think of the Children....
hell....ESO is pretty violent; It might cause some kid to go on a murdering spree....Lets remove all fighting from the game cause Think of the Children.
What kind of an argument is this - basically saying - well, ICD people have problems anyway, so we can just put up another trap they can fall into without to even care, because they could as well fall into any other trap. And when we are on it, we make this trap really expensive for them and prey on their weakness and abuse them - they do not deserve better.
That is basically your point of view.
Uhm....
Just wow! Wow at the absurdity of your argument.
And who are you - you have contributed absolutely nothing to this so far - I doubt you have even read it in full - so explain to me, what is so absurd with it.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.I've come to the conclusion a vast majority of ESO players are morons.
There is exactly zero stuff that these boxes will contain that will have any actual effect on you in game...and yet...You're all talking about how this is the death of the game.
*** I played GW2 and they had these boxes....I had a crap ton of them just sitting in the bank and I maybe opened 1 the entire time I played from a key i randomly got.
The sheer absurdity of the posters in this thread is mind boggling...
Children are just one side of the coin - those can get addicted to gambling when exposed at a young age - the other side of the coin are people which are already gambling addicted or have a low level of self-control when it comes to things they want, even if they cannot afford those and it would bring them into an existence crisis or their family.
Ok Helen Lovejoy; if you can't handle box sales in a video game you can't handle being on the internet in the first place. In fact its safe to say you can't handle being anywhere at any given time in the United States since you'll be tempted by "chance"
I did not expect you to understand the deeper meaning of what an addiction means for the person being addicted. That they do not have control over their behavior anymore, that it is an impulse control disorder.
Impulse control disorder (ICD) is a class of psychiatric disorders characterized by impulsivity – failure to resist a temptation, urge or impulse that may harm oneself or others.
I understand the deeper meaning of it; I'm laughing at how absurd you're being by trying to say we shouldn't have any lock boxes because someone with ICD might play this game. Completely ignoring the fact that a person with ICD would have to deal with a myriad of other things in life before he even got to the point of playing this game. Basically you're using the "Think of the Children" argument for limiting something. Can't have Cokes, To much sugar in them, Think of the Children.....Someone might become addicted to ***, Lets ban it for everyone, Think of the Children....
hell....ESO is pretty violent; It might cause some kid to go on a murdering spree....Lets remove all fighting from the game cause Think of the Children.
What kind of an argument is this - basically saying - well, ICD people have problems anyway, so we can just put up another trap they can fall into without to even care, because they could as well fall into any other trap. And when we are on it, we make this trap really expensive for them and prey on their weakness and abuse them - they do not deserve better.
That is basically your point of view.
So lets remove fighting in this game; since it could potentially cause a violent person to become dangerous in Real Life; Sure it might just be 0.00001% of people who might do this...But Jeez why won't you think of the Children?"
This is not ICD - so this is not related to what we are talking about.
Ignore him. He comes on the forums every time there's at least anything any controversial and tells people it's not a problem and to shut up. There are better people to argue with.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble
I'm sorry are you actually trying to claim you speak for the majority of people in this game?
Out of 446 Votes, you've managed to squeeze out 300 if i'm being generous...You're not the majority of the game....
You are a bunch of whiners on the forum using hyperbole and false equivalency to push a terrible narrative.
One thing to note is that the majority of the forums - according to past polls - are also subscribers and/or buy crowns regularly. If people that do have money to spend on Crowns regularly are so adamant against this feature, I would like to know what people that can only buy Crowns every now and then think about it.starkerealm wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.
No its not
This is hyperbole.
Games don't die from lockboxes selling items you can't even trade with other players, esp items that are purely cosmetic.
yes it is, but its also been stated they will contain consumables and 'rare' crate only exclusive items, the only thing stated not included is Gear and Weapons.
I can see, as many others can, and have seen in other games, they will in the end contain the the most important gear progression items, which are classed as consumables, the upgrade mats ie: Alloys and Wax etc.
This also gives me a Deja vu feeling from other games which have done this as I have already noticed a decline in the drop rates of these items in game, and I farm a lot, every day and since last patch in my own experience there as been a noticeable difference
Oh, I'm sure they'd never stick alloy and wax in the box. It'd be some new universal upgrade mat, like Aetherial dust, or something. That you could plug into any item, and upgrade it to any tier. Including a tier above gold... maybe cyan, magenta, orange, or something, that was only possible with this new material.
Or, with housing coming, they could add crafting nodes to the boxes like GW2 did. In GW2, it is a consumable that adds a top tier node to your home instance for daily gathering :T
In GW2, it was tradable though.
300 people isn't even the majority on this forums; the AOE poll had 4000+ people and 87% of those people voted against AOE caps....
You really want to claim majority mate?
Also as someone who played GW2; Are you trying to say that Node was somehow game changing? Hell in the time it took me to go to my home instance to farm that node I could of hit 10 of them in the open world spots...Hell I had one of those nodes cause they gave it away or some BS if I recall....I visited it exactly 0 times when I played....Because there were bloody zero reason to go to the Home instance other then that actual node..and like I said..you could hit 10 of them actually farming in the time it took you to actually run back to that node.
I do, though. It is a very acceptable sample to estimate the overall situation. It is how public research is done, you know
The node was sold in the Auction House (better saying "central market") for around 700 Gold, so yeah, I would say so. And it wasn't even the most expensive item the boxes could drop.
So you could say "Oh but these boxes ZOS is introducing only have Crown Store stuff! They are not tradeable!".
Sure. Right now, that's all that is in there. But for how long?
Paraphrasing someone else in this very same thread, if we don't want step 2 to happen, we should start opposing to it on step 1. The more we accept, the more they push the limit. It was like this with GW2 too.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »I've come to the conclusion a vast majority of ESO players are morons.
There is exactly zero stuff that these boxes will contain that will have any actual effect on you in game...and yet...You're all talking about how this is the death of the game.
*** I played GW2 and they had these boxes....I had a crap ton of them just sitting in the bank and I maybe opened 1 the entire time I played from a key i randomly got.
The sheer absurdity of the posters in this thread is mind boggling...
Children are just one side of the coin - those can get addicted to gambling when exposed at a young age - the other side of the coin are people which are already gambling addicted or have a low level of self-control when it comes to things they want, even if they cannot afford those and it would bring them into an existence crisis or their family.
Ok Helen Lovejoy; if you can't handle box sales in a video game you can't handle being on the internet in the first place. In fact its safe to say you can't handle being anywhere at any given time in the United States since you'll be tempted by "chance"
I did not expect you to understand the deeper meaning of what an addiction means for the person being addicted. That they do not have control over their behavior anymore, that it is an impulse control disorder.
Impulse control disorder (ICD) is a class of psychiatric disorders characterized by impulsivity – failure to resist a temptation, urge or impulse that may harm oneself or others.
I understand the deeper meaning of it; I'm laughing at how absurd you're being by trying to say we shouldn't have any lock boxes because someone with ICD might play this game. Completely ignoring the fact that a person with ICD would have to deal with a myriad of other things in life before he even got to the point of playing this game. Basically you're using the "Think of the Children" argument for limiting something. Can't have Cokes, To much sugar in them, Think of the Children.....Someone might become addicted to ***, Lets ban it for everyone, Think of the Children....
hell....ESO is pretty violent; It might cause some kid to go on a murdering spree....Lets remove all fighting from the game cause Think of the Children.
What kind of an argument is this - basically saying - well, ICD people have problems anyway, so we can just put up another trap they can fall into without to even care, because they could as well fall into any other trap. And when we are on it, we make this trap really expensive for them and prey on their weakness and abuse them - they do not deserve better.
That is basically your point of view.
So lets remove fighting in this game; since it could potentially cause a violent person to become dangerous in Real Life; Sure it might just be 0.00001% of people who might do this...But Jeez why won't you think of the Children?"
This is not ICD - so this is not related to what we are talking about.
Ignore him. He comes on the forums every time there's at least anything any controversial and tells people it's not a problem and to shut up. There are better people to argue with.
Oh, I wish I knew this sooner, then I wouldn't have even replied to him :T
Glad the forum has an ignore feature, too.Edited by Abeille on August 21, 2016 4:18AMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.1 -
Esquire1980g_ESO✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »From the percentages I'm seeing, looks like ZOS might have a bit of a NGE on their hands. (67%)
Hope it works out better for ZOS heads than it did for Smed. Sony sold Smed right out from under him, the new owners sent him home, and he didn't get enough of crowd funding to do a 2D game.
Adding boxes to a game is nowhere NEAR or even in the same BALLPARK as the NGE was.....
It is if 67% look the other way. Unless of course they are as willing as Rubinfield was to get rid of the existing player base thinking they'll get a boat-load more and it actually comes to pass, this time.Edited by Esquire1980g_ESO on August 21, 2016 4:21AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Sure. Right now, that's all that is in there. But for how long?
Paraphrasing someone else in this very same thread, if we don't want step 2 to happen, we should start opposing to it on step 1. The more we accept, the more they push the limit. It was like this with GW2 too.
Incidentally, @Xsorus, that's not a slippery slope fallacy either. It's resisting "boiling a frog by degrees." Which is also a good idea for a rational and careful consumer, in case you were unclear on that point.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.
I'm sorry are you actually trying to claim you speak for the majority of people in this game?
Out of 446 Votes, you've managed to squeeze out 300 if i'm being generous...You're not the majority of the game....
You are a bunch of whiners on the forum using hyperbole and false equivalency to push a terrible narrative.
One thing to note is that the majority of the forums - according to past polls - are also subscribers and/or buy crowns regularly. If people that do have money to spend on Crowns regularly are so adamant against this feature, I would like to know what people that can only buy Crowns every now and then think about it.starkerealm wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.
No its not
This is hyperbole.
Games don't die from lockboxes selling items you can't even trade with other players, esp items that are purely cosmetic.
yes it is, but its also been stated they will contain consumables and 'rare' crate only exclusive items, the only thing stated not included is Gear and Weapons.
I can see, as many others can, and have seen in other games, they will in the end contain the the most important gear progression items, which are classed as consumables, the upgrade mats ie: Alloys and Wax etc.
This also gives me a Deja vu feeling from other games which have done this as I have already noticed a decline in the drop rates of these items in game, and I farm a lot, every day and since last patch in my own experience there as been a noticeable difference
Oh, I'm sure they'd never stick alloy and wax in the box. It'd be some new universal upgrade mat, like Aetherial dust, or something. That you could plug into any item, and upgrade it to any tier. Including a tier above gold... maybe cyan, magenta, orange, or something, that was only possible with this new material.
Or, with housing coming, they could add crafting nodes to the boxes like GW2 did. In GW2, it is a consumable that adds a top tier node to your home instance for daily gathering :T
In GW2, it was tradable though.
300 people isn't even the majority on this forums; the AOE poll had 4000+ people and 87% of those people voted against AOE caps....
You really want to claim majority mate?
Also as someone who played GW2; Are you trying to say that Node was somehow game changing? Hell in the time it took me to go to my home instance to farm that node I could of hit 10 of them in the open world spots...Hell I had one of those nodes cause they gave it away or some BS if I recall....I visited it exactly 0 times when I played....Because there were bloody zero reason to go to the Home instance other then that actual node..and like I said..you could hit 10 of them actually farming in the time it took you to actually run back to that node.
I do, though. It is a very acceptable sample to estimate the overall situation. It is how public research is done, you know
The node was sold in the Auction House (better saying "central market") for around 700 Gold, so yeah, I would say so. And it wasn't even the most expensive item the boxes could drop.
So you could say "Oh but these boxes ZOS is introducing only have Crown Store stuff! They are not tradeable!".
Sure. Right now, that's all that is in there. But for how long?
Paraphrasing someone else in this very same thread, if we don't want step 2 to happen, we should start opposing to it on step 1. The more we accept, the more they push the limit. It was like this with GW2 too.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »I've come to the conclusion a vast majority of ESO players are morons.
There is exactly zero stuff that these boxes will contain that will have any actual effect on you in game...and yet...You're all talking about how this is the death of the game.
*** I played GW2 and they had these boxes....I had a crap ton of them just sitting in the bank and I maybe opened 1 the entire time I played from a key i randomly got.
The sheer absurdity of the posters in this thread is mind boggling...
Children are just one side of the coin - those can get addicted to gambling when exposed at a young age - the other side of the coin are people which are already gambling addicted or have a low level of self-control when it comes to things they want, even if they cannot afford those and it would bring them into an existence crisis or their family.
Ok Helen Lovejoy; if you can't handle box sales in a video game you can't handle being on the internet in the first place. In fact its safe to say you can't handle being anywhere at any given time in the United States since you'll be tempted by "chance"
I did not expect you to understand the deeper meaning of what an addiction means for the person being addicted. That they do not have control over their behavior anymore, that it is an impulse control disorder.
Impulse control disorder (ICD) is a class of psychiatric disorders characterized by impulsivity – failure to resist a temptation, urge or impulse that may harm oneself or others.
I understand the deeper meaning of it; I'm laughing at how absurd you're being by trying to say we shouldn't have any lock boxes because someone with ICD might play this game. Completely ignoring the fact that a person with ICD would have to deal with a myriad of other things in life before he even got to the point of playing this game. Basically you're using the "Think of the Children" argument for limiting something. Can't have Cokes, To much sugar in them, Think of the Children.....Someone might become addicted to ***, Lets ban it for everyone, Think of the Children....
hell....ESO is pretty violent; It might cause some kid to go on a murdering spree....Lets remove all fighting from the game cause Think of the Children.
What kind of an argument is this - basically saying - well, ICD people have problems anyway, so we can just put up another trap they can fall into without to even care, because they could as well fall into any other trap. And when we are on it, we make this trap really expensive for them and prey on their weakness and abuse them - they do not deserve better.
That is basically your point of view.
So lets remove fighting in this game; since it could potentially cause a violent person to become dangerous in Real Life; Sure it might just be 0.00001% of people who might do this...But Jeez why won't you think of the Children?"
This is not ICD - so this is not related to what we are talking about.
Ignore him. He comes on the forums every time there's at least anything any controversial and tells people it's not a problem and to shut up. There are better people to argue with.
Oh, I wish I knew this sooner, or I wouldn't have even replied to him :T
Glad the forum has an ignore feature, too.
He was there telling people who didn't like Bracings removel that 'Wrath is better for tanks than bracing ever was." He's a troll. Dont feed him. Hell. Look at his post. he didn't even -vote-.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on August 21, 2016 4:19AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.
No its not
This is hyperbole.
Games don't die from lockboxes selling items you can't even trade with other players, esp items that are purely cosmetic.
Yes it is
No; No its not...I can base this on the vast majority of MMO's that have lockboxes and still very much alive.
In fact the vast majority of MMO's that have closed down didn't have lockboxes, and they closed down based on the fact that weren't producing money.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.
No its not
This is hyperbole.
Games don't die from lockboxes selling items you can't even trade with other players, esp items that are purely cosmetic.
Games die when players lose faith in the service provider, and a majority of those who voted have expressed this sentiment as a result of the gambling boxes.
I'm sorry are you actually trying to claim you speak for the majority of people in this game?
Out of 446 Votes, you've managed to squeeze out 300 if i'm being generous...You're not the majority of the game....
You are a bunch of whiners on the forum using hyperbole and false equivalency to push a terrible narrative.
Honey you have absolutely no reason to complain about what I said, I stipulated from the getgo that my statement was limited to "those who voted". If you're misinterpreting what I said then that's on you. With that said, if you think the forum voters aren't a representative sample of the game, especially with that high of a vote difference, you're completely delusional.
Further, I have not been participating in any hyperbole, I've been given out very thoughtful and well-reasoned arguments. I never said something as extreme as "the game is dying", but I have explained why gambling is inappropriate for this game. Just because you're one of the few people willing to be complicit with exposing gambling to minors doesn't make whatever "narrative" you're pushing any more ideologically pure.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »From the percentages I'm seeing, looks like ZOS might have a bit of a NGE on their hands. (67%)
Hope it works out better for ZOS heads than it did for Smed. Sony sold Smed right out from under him, the new owners sent him home, and he didn't get enough of crowd funding to do a 2D game.
Adding boxes to a game is nowhere NEAR or even in the same BALLPARK as the NGE was.....
It is if 67% look the other way. Unless of course they are as willing as Rubinfield was to get rid of the existing player base thinking they'll get a boat-load more.
Thing is... Elder Scrolls is nowhere near as massive a property as Star Wars. Even after Skyrim's success, they've got a long way to go before they can afford to just blow off large chunks of their community.1 -
Graydon✭✭✭✭✭Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmeticsThe only way of doing it right is to cancel these RNG boxes - there is no other way to make me spend money on this game again - not a cent, nothing, nada - they have just p*ssed me off enough to get my wallet closed and that of a lot of others as well, when i look at the poll result. I will look for another game and play here once in a while a bit - it is anyway pointless, all I want is to explore those zones which I do not know yet - and once i have seen them, there is nothing left for me here.
Edit: it might be too late to get me back as a full blown customer though - trust is the base of any relationship, and I do not trust them anymore.
Awwww, that's so cute. Your think you will make an impact. :-)
All your whining posts only show that you don't have the will to move on.
The Crown Crates bring revenue and have been a proven success in other MMO's.1 -
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✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsEsquire1980g_ESO wrote: »Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »From the percentages I'm seeing, looks like ZOS might have a bit of a NGE on their hands. (67%)
Hope it works out better for ZOS heads than it did for Smed. Sony sold Smed right out from under him, the new owners sent him home, and he didn't get enough of crowd funding to do a 2D game.
Adding boxes to a game is nowhere NEAR or even in the same BALLPARK as the NGE was.....
It is if 67% look the other way. Unless of course they are as willing as Rubinfield was to get rid of the existing player base thinking they'll get a boat-load more.
Adding boxes to the game with pretty outfits and mounts and pets is not the same as changing the entire games combat system ENTIRELY and changing the game from 34 professions (classes) down to only 10. Please explain to me how someone riding around on a mount you cant get because you dont want to spend money is really breaking your game.
The NGE was quite literally game breaking, this is just fluff.3
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