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What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?
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Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Let me share my experience with you. For 14+ years I was a paying member of an online game called Neopets. They had items you customized your pets with. They had items obtainable from stores in the game you bought with 'neopoints' and they had a completely different type of wearables they sold for 'neocash' in the 'neocash mall'. By different I mean a huge vast difference in quality. They sold collectibles that would eventually get recycled in random capsules you bought with money and got random items and the chance for the limited edition items. They have a system in game where you can trade items though. Anyways, it led to people selling rare hard to get items offsite on the black market, and accounts seen using rare items sometimes got hacked and the account hijacked and the items moved off the account to a shell account and it led to people getting banned, people who were victims of hacking getting unjustifiably banned, and items and info stolen. I know people who have spent $5000 or more on cash grabs, then lost everything when they were flashing around their Limited Edition items.
I know ESO currently has no way to trade crown store items. I know ESO is marketed to an adult market not a kids market, but kids do play this game, this is a reality. This isn't about it being gambling. This isn't about spending real money for digital items. My concern lies in the risk of people with nice rare items they get from the loot boxes, and how secure ESO is. If ZOS can pull this off without putting people at risk of having their accounts messed with, and without making blackmarket account sellers drool over accounts with rare items...they already do over pvp ranks and colors in accounts that people buy...if ZOS does this right, it could be addictive and fun. If it's done poorly, its going to turn a lot of fans sour on the Crown store.Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!1 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble
I'm on the bargaining phase.
"Ok but if the 'super special mounts' are super flashy, I won't want them anyway so I'll be fine"
Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.1 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭As long as what these boxes have is nothing beyond what we have already gotten and/or the theme of what's to come I'm fine with them. Not like I'll be buying them anyway
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.UltimaJoe777 wrote: »As long as what these boxes have is nothing beyond what we have already gotten and/or the theme of what's to come I'm fine with them. Not like I'll be buying them anyway
They're sticking exclusive stuff in the crates.2 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.The only way of doing it right is to cancel these RNG boxes - there is no other way to make me spend money on this game again - not a cent, nothing, nada - they have just p*ssed me off enough to get my wallet closed and that of a lot of others as well, when i look at the poll result. I will look for another game and play here once in a while a bit - it is anyway pointless, all I want is to explore those zones which I do not know yet - and once i have seen them, there is nothing left for me here.
Edit: it might be too late to get me back as a full blown customer though - trust is the base of any relationship, and I do not trust them anymore.Edited by Lysette on August 21, 2016 2:55AM6 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.
I'm on the bargaining phase.
"Ok but if the 'super special mounts' are super flashy, I won't want them anyway so I'll be fine"
It will cause harm to some people, who cannot stay away from these boxes and spend thousand of dollars on them and will eventually harm their family by doing so - I have seen cases like this in Archeage - RNG boxes are just plain evil.1 -
NewbieOKS✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Actually if i may recap and summarize it all, the main concern is we majority of the players here in ESO don't want the "random mystery boxes" or premium RNG crates right?
Because even the boxes are indeed and confirmed only "Cosmetics" for the time being but it is an act of gambling in a MMORPG game and there is a big chance it will change in the future and ZOS may not guaranteed it if someday the box contents change to weapons, armors, etc right?
So my best opinion is rather to put the bad and negative things aside like the RNG ones and keep up the already good ones right folks?
"By the eight, this one don't want Tamriel turn into chaos and misorder"
I am tagging ZOS team again (Gina and Jessica), sorry folks this thread already have 9,6K views since made yesterday and it is already a hot topic in reddit besides the update 12 contents...
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
Hopefully ZOS team can answer our concerns in the next ESO Live videos
I'm on the bargaining phase.
"Ok but if the 'super special mounts' are super flashy, I won't want them anyway so I'll be fine"
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Maotti✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, don't ever add these into the game.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Thanks for your thoughts on the upcoming Crown Crates, everyone. Just want to clarify a few points -
First, Crown Crates will be available later this year, and will only include cosmetic or convenience items. You'll find things like potions and other consumables, pets, costumes, and - yes - sometimes even mounts. This will give you a chance to try and obtain previous limited time offers, or even some very unique items as Matt mentioned. It will not include things like armor or weapons.
In the event you get an item that you already own, you can exchange it for a currency called Crown Gems which will allow you to buy a different item of your choice.
This game is going downhill. Fast.
Such a shame to see it come to this.PC EU5 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.ESO live - answer our questions - they can tell us anything there - they lost credibility, regardless what they will tell us, how can we trust into what they say?- This is the main problem, this lost trust - a relationship cannot continue without trust, sorry.Edited by Lysette on August 21, 2016 3:01AM4 -
Wow✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game. I'm a Godot Engine and GameMaker enthusiast from the most populated island on earth, Java, Indonesia. Coffee is my staple fuel, and durian is my favourite fruit. I'm currently building a Visual Novel.4 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble
I'm on the bargaining phase.
"Ok but if the 'super special mounts' are super flashy, I won't want them anyway so I'll be fine"
It will cause harm to some people, who cannot stay away from these boxes and spend thousand of dollars on them and will eventually harm their family by doing so - I have seen cases like this in Archeage - RNG boxes are just plain evil.
Oh certainly. It is just that I'm going through the stages of grief right now.
1 - Denial: "That's absurd, they told us they were not going to add RNG boxed to the Crown Store. There must be some mistake on this Gamescom report."
2 - Anger: "I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY LIED TO US AGAIN. GODS, I'M SO MAD RIGHT NOW I'LL POST THIS GAMESCOM VIDEO EVERYWHERE"
3 - Bargaining (I'm here): "Ok maybe if it is implemented in this certain way, it won't be so bad, right?"
Only two stages to go, depression and acceptance.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.3 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsI've come to the conclusion a vast majority of ESO players are morons.
There is exactly zero stuff that these boxes will contain that will have any actual effect on you in game...and yet...You're all talking about how this is the death of the game.
*** I played GW2 and they had these boxes....I had a crap ton of them just sitting in the bank and I maybe opened 1 the entire time I played from a key i randomly got.
The sheer absurdity of the posters in this thread is mind boggling...https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
ESO and GW2 PvP videos3 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.
I'm on the bargaining phase.
"Ok but if the 'super special mounts' are super flashy, I won't want them anyway so I'll be fine"
It will cause harm to some people, who cannot stay away from these boxes and spend thousand of dollars on them and will eventually harm their family by doing so - I have seen cases like this in Archeage - RNG boxes are just plain evil.
Oh certainly. It is just that I'm going through the stages of grief right now.
1 - Denial: "That's absurd, they told us they were not going to add RNG boxed to the Crown Store. There must be some mistake on this Gamescom report."
2 - Anger: "I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY LIED TO US AGAIN. GODS, I'M SO MAD RIGHT NOW I'LL POST THIS GAMESCOM VIDEO EVERYWHERE"
3 - Bargaining (I'm here): "Ok maybe if it is implemented in this certain way, it won't be so bad, right?"
Only two stages to go, depression and acceptance.
I just had to think about something in the movie Avatar when I read your post - "things are reverse now ... the dream feels like reality ... and reality is the dream now ... but eventually you'll always have to wake up" - Jake (from my memory, might not be exact). Yes, we will all eventually have to wake up and it seems the time is NOW.0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.I've come to the conclusion a vast majority of ESO players are morons.
There is exactly zero stuff that these boxes will contain that will have any actual effect on you in game...and yet...You're all talking about how this is the death of the game.
*** I played GW2 and they had these boxes....I had a crap ton of them just sitting in the bank and I maybe opened 1 the entire time I played from a key i randomly got.
The sheer absurdity of the posters in this thread is mind boggling...
Your lack of empathy is what is mind boggling - but it does not surprise me, that you just see yourself and no one else, which might be effected in a very harmful way by such gambling boxes.7 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.50% of the people who voted want this *** not in the game.
TAKE A HINT ZENI AND FIRE YOUR SALES LEAD.3 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »50% of the people who voted want this *** not in the game.
TAKE A HINT ZENI AND FIRE YOUR SALES LEAD.
66% actually - this is nearly an absolute majority. Hm seems to have another meaning in english - more than 50% - in german it means a 2/3 majority.Edited by Lysette on August 21, 2016 3:23AM0 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsI've come to the conclusion a vast majority of ESO players are morons.
There is exactly zero stuff that these boxes will contain that will have any actual effect on you in game...and yet...You're all talking about how this is the death of the game.
*** I played GW2 and they had these boxes....I had a crap ton of them just sitting in the bank and I maybe opened 1 the entire time I played from a key i randomly got.
The sheer absurdity of the posters in this thread is mind boggling...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
ESO and GW2 PvP videos0 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »50% of the people who voted want this *** not in the game.
TAKE A HINT ZENI AND FIRE YOUR SALES LEAD.
66% actually - this is nearly an absolute majority.
Even better.0 -
NewbieOKS✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Let ZOS put the bad and negative things aside like the RNG boxes/crown crates and keep up the already good ones right folks?
"By the Eight, this one don't want Tamriel turn into chaos and misorder"Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »50% of the people who voted want this *** not in the game.
TAKE A HINT ZENI AND FIRE YOUR SALES LEAD.
66% actually - this is nearly an absolute majority.
Even better.https://signatur.eso-database.com/17868970/signatur.jpg
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.I've come to the conclusion a vast majority of ESO players are morons.
There is exactly zero stuff that these boxes will contain that will have any actual effect on you in game...and yet...You're all talking about how this is the death of the game.
*** I played GW2 and they had these boxes....I had a crap ton of them just sitting in the bank and I maybe opened 1 the entire time I played from a key i randomly got.
The sheer absurdity of the posters in this thread is mind boggling...
Children are just one side of the coin - those can get addicted to gambling when exposed at a young age - the other side of the coin are people which are already gambling addicted or have a low level of self-control when it comes to things they want, even if they cannot afford those and it would bring them into an existence crisis or their family.Edited by Lysette on August 21, 2016 3:28AM2 -
SleepyTroll✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, don't ever add these into the game.People bitched about 4k crown mounts and 2k costumes. Now it will be way more to get that one thing you really wanted.3 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.yes, and the less items they have from the crown store, the longer and more boxes it will take - because they won't get Crown Gems to exchange with what they want, if that item, which they got, is not in their collection yet - then there will be no choice, they will get this item added to their collection, if they like it or not - people with not much in their collection panel yet will have a really hard time to get aynthing they really want this way - it will cost them just a huge amount of money to try.Edited by Lysette on August 21, 2016 3:33AM2 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.3 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsDoctordarkspawn wrote: »THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.
No its not
This is hyperbole.
Games don't die from lockboxes selling items you can't even trade with other players, esp items that are purely cosmetic.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
ESO and GW2 PvP videos1 -
Wow✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.
No its not
This is hyperbole.
Games don't die from lockboxes selling items you can't even trade with other players, esp items that are purely cosmetic.
Yes it isI'm a Godot Engine and GameMaker enthusiast from the most populated island on earth, Java, Indonesia. Coffee is my staple fuel, and durian is my favourite fruit. I'm currently building a Visual Novel.4 -
Recremen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.
No its not
This is hyperbole.
Games don't die from lockboxes selling items you can't even trade with other players, esp items that are purely cosmetic.
Games die when players lose faith in the service provider, and a majority of those who voted have expressed this sentiment as a result of the gambling boxes.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
Grand High Illustrious Mid-Tier PvP/PvE Bussmunster10 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsI've come to the conclusion a vast majority of ESO players are morons.
There is exactly zero stuff that these boxes will contain that will have any actual effect on you in game...and yet...You're all talking about how this is the death of the game.
*** I played GW2 and they had these boxes....I had a crap ton of them just sitting in the bank and I maybe opened 1 the entire time I played from a key i randomly got.
The sheer absurdity of the posters in this thread is mind boggling...
Children are just one side of the coin - those can get addicted to gambling when exposed at a young age - the other side of the coin are people which are already gambling addicted or have a low level of self-control when it comes to things they want, even if they cannot afford those and it would bring them into an existence crisis or their family.
Ok Helen Lovejoy; if you can't handle box sales in a video game you can't handle being on the internet in the first place. In fact its safe to say you can't handle being anywhere at any given time in the United States since you'll be tempted by "chance"
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
ESO and GW2 PvP videos1 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsDoctordarkspawn wrote: »THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.
No its not
This is hyperbole.
Games don't die from lockboxes selling items you can't even trade with other players, esp items that are purely cosmetic.
Yes it is
No; No its not...I can base this on the vast majority of MMO's that have lockboxes and still very much alive.
In fact the vast majority of MMO's that have closed down didn't have lockboxes, and they closed down based on the fact that weren't producing money.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.
No its not
This is hyperbole.
Games don't die from lockboxes selling items you can't even trade with other players, esp items that are purely cosmetic.
Games die when players lose faith in the service provider, and a majority of those who voted have expressed this sentiment as a result of the gambling boxes.
I'm sorry are you actually trying to claim you speak for the majority of people in this game?
Out of 446 Votes, you've managed to squeeze out 300 if i'm being generous...You're not the majority of the game....
You are a bunch of whiners on the forum using hyperbole and false equivalency to push a terrible narrative.Edited by Xsorus on August 21, 2016 3:51AMhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.I've come to the conclusion a vast majority of ESO players are morons.
There is exactly zero stuff that these boxes will contain that will have any actual effect on you in game...and yet...You're all talking about how this is the death of the game.
*** I played GW2 and they had these boxes....I had a crap ton of them just sitting in the bank and I maybe opened 1 the entire time I played from a key i randomly got.
The sheer absurdity of the posters in this thread is mind boggling...
Children are just one side of the coin - those can get addicted to gambling when exposed at a young age - the other side of the coin are people which are already gambling addicted or have a low level of self-control when it comes to things they want, even if they cannot afford those and it would bring them into an existence crisis or their family.
Ok Helen Lovejoy; if you can't handle box sales in a video game you can't handle being on the internet in the first place. In fact its safe to say you can't handle being anywhere at any given time in the United States since you'll be tempted by "chance"
I did not expect you to understand the deeper meaning of what an addiction means for the person being addicted. That they do not have control over their behavior anymore, that it is an impulse control disorder.
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Wow✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »THIS IS HOW A GAME DIES.
Zenimax. You wanna earn my trust in a big way? Officially condemn this practice and scrap this idea. You dont wanna do that? I'm gonna advise everyone not to buy ***, not the nice DLC bundle, not the deals, not the cosmetics until you remove and condemn this practice.
I dont have much trust left but your pushin' it.
No its not
This is hyperbole.
Games don't die from lockboxes selling items you can't even trade with other players, esp items that are purely cosmetic.
Yes it is
No; No its not...I can base this on the vast majority of MMO's that have lockboxes and still very much alive.
In fact the vast majority of MMO's that have closed down didn't have lockboxes, and they closed down based on the fact that weren't producing money.
Wtf did I just read?
I'm done with you, you go to the ignore listI'm a Godot Engine and GameMaker enthusiast from the most populated island on earth, Java, Indonesia. Coffee is my staple fuel, and durian is my favourite fruit. I'm currently building a Visual Novel.9
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