What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Bouldercleave wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Free boxes with paid keys is a level of evil above what ZOS is currently planning to implement. If the boxes don't sell, I have absolutely zero doubt these things will get dropped in game.

I don't disagree with you, but it is not what they are] implementing. I have a reasonable confidence that future revisions of the Crown Crates will be much more evil.

However, it is hard to judge something based on future actions, which is why I still say YES to these. Although I think I am pretty sure the road these people are traveling, they can, at any moment, change course. They are not there, yet. I would feel a lot more confident if they would demonstrate they are not evil rather than just asking me to trust them, and saying that my thoughts are "baseless fear".

Just remember the conditional element in that phrase. "If the boxes fail to sell, then..." Not, an automatic assumption that this is where they must be headed.

Also, I have seen this exact transition from grab bags to boxes in the past, so it's not without precedent. Not from ZOS, obviously. But, it's worth remembering, this isn't the first time a developer has grafted lucky bags into an existing game.

This whole thing is super depressing, I've been paying more attention to this negative content than I have to the game... I've barely played since this was announced. Like I said, super depressing.

If something as trivial as this is as you put it "super depressing" and making you feel SO bad you just can't log in, then maybe it's time to move on.

However; if something this trivial is making you depressed, there are much bigger issues that need to be addressed. Way too much thin skin in the world today.

I wouldn't say, "depressing" as in, I've lost the will to live, or something like that. Acutely disappointing? Then, yes. This is a very specific bridge too far, that ZOS assured us they wouldn't be taking, and now have. Which kills my interest in logging in.

Doesn't mean I'm sitting in a funk, bemoaning my life, or crying about the state of the world, but it does mean I spent the morning playing Total War: Warhammer instead of logging into ESO. Before that: Titan Quest, Starbound, Divinity: Original Sin, Fallout 4, and No Man's Sky. I haven't really felt like logging into ESO, but that doesn't mean I gave up video games as a hobby.

Actually, I'm kinda surprised Grim Dawn isn't on that list, since my girlfriend's been playing that.

JamilaRaj

Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmetics

Xabien wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Free boxes with paid keys is a level of evil above what ZOS is currently planning to implement. If the boxes don't sell, I have absolutely zero doubt these things will get dropped in game.

I don't disagree with you, but it is not what they are] implementing. I have a reasonable confidence that future revisions of the Crown Crates will be much more evil.

However, it is hard to judge something based on future actions, which is why I still say YES to these. Although I think I am pretty sure the road these people are traveling, they can, at any moment, change course. They are not there, yet. I would feel a lot more confident if they would demonstrate they are not evil rather than just asking me to trust them, and saying that my thoughts are "baseless fear".

Xabien wrote: »

Actually guys, they're the exact same evil, the slight difference in implementation is pure window dressing, the end goal - wringing more coin out of customers for little return - is exactly the same.

If that is the case, then the entire Crown Store is evil, and I don't buy that right now. Yes, the Crown Store can be used for evil, and yes the Crown Crates open new doors that lead to evil. ZOS has shown no reluctance to walk right up to the line. This is why I think they will eventually turn to evil. It is possible that the evil is already in them and is merely being held in restraint.

The Crown Store is not yet evil because it can still be ignored. The temptation can be kept at bay and the decision to use it can be a rational one. The Crown Crates do make it harder, and that is ZOS walking up to that line, again.

Crates that drop in the game and require a purchased key are more evil. This is not the same thing as what ZOS is doing, and @Enodoc sums it up nicely. It is all about how easy it is to ignore.

I am not unaware of the anecdote about the frog and the boiling water.

The crown store itself is a different matter entirely. It's transparent and you can choose exactly what to purchase. We can't start going round in circles here. Lockboxes hide the things you want, and through rng cause you to actually spend more on obtaining them. They're a shady practice to wring more money out of you than the traditional transactional method. Clear difference.

How come? The cash shop has multiple purposes, but one of them most certainly is to provide, what scamboxes provide for virtual goods, for the entire game; to obscure price and lure extra players into milking schemes that will end up more expensive than they incorrectly assume from the "fact" the game is buy to play/free to play, players who would otherwise go away, if they knew actual/final price.

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Bouldercleave wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Free boxes with paid keys is a level of evil above what ZOS is currently planning to implement. If the boxes don't sell, I have absolutely zero doubt these things will get dropped in game.

I don't disagree with you, but it is not what they are] implementing. I have a reasonable confidence that future revisions of the Crown Crates will be much more evil.

However, it is hard to judge something based on future actions, which is why I still say YES to these. Although I think I am pretty sure the road these people are traveling, they can, at any moment, change course. They are not there, yet. I would feel a lot more confident if they would demonstrate they are not evil rather than just asking me to trust them, and saying that my thoughts are "baseless fear".

Just remember the conditional element in that phrase. "If the boxes fail to sell, then..." Not, an automatic assumption that this is where they must be headed.

Also, I have seen this exact transition from grab bags to boxes in the past, so it's not without precedent. Not from ZOS, obviously. But, it's worth remembering, this isn't the first time a developer has grafted lucky bags into an existing game.

This whole thing is super depressing, I've been paying more attention to this negative content than I have to the game... I've barely played since this was announced. Like I said, super depressing.

If something as trivial as this is as you put it "super depressing" and making you feel SO bad you just can't log in, then maybe it's time to move on.

However; if something this trivial is making you depressed, there are much bigger issues that need to be addressed. Way too much thin skin in the world today.

You are the first person to ever call me thin skinned, grats

The point I was making was the moment I heard about this I knew it would suck, especially for a 'collector' like myself. So the more I dwell on it the more depressing it is, but depressing may not be the right word... Disappointing is more accurate.

I pretty much defended every change we've all been through since 2014. Seeing the need for the steps we've taken, usually being a bit in the minority but that's okay. I just don't see the need for this and it also seems like a punch to the face.

As far as moving on goes, I'm not so run by emotions that I can't think clearly and wait and see. But its right to voice distaste for something like this imo, and who knows, maybe one of the marketing guys/gals will read through this thread and one of my many points will sink in and they will choose not to implement this.

Wishful thinking I know, we'll see.

phairdon

Without going through the process of reading the entire discussion, I have a question about the boxes. With the chance of picking up a rare/limited time mount, what happens if you open the box, get one, only to discover you already have the mount?

Abeille

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

phairdon wrote: »

Without going through the process of reading the entire discussion, I have a question about the boxes. With the chance of picking up a rare/limited time mount, what happens if you open the box, get one, only to discover you already have the mount?

You don't get the mount, you get a new currency called "Crown Gems". You can use this currency to buy something you don't have in a separated section of the Crown Store.

We don't know how many you get or how many you will need to get the stuff in this separated section of the Crown Store.

phairdon

Abeille wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Without going through the process of reading the entire discussion, I have a question about the boxes. With the chance of picking up a rare/limited time mount, what happens if you open the box, get one, only to discover you already have the mount?

You don't get the mount, you get a new currency called "Crown Gems". You can use this currency to buy something you don't have in a separated section of the Crown Store.

We don't know how many you get or how many you will need to get the stuff in this separated section of the Crown Store.

Excellent answer. Thanks.

Cousin_Idirfa

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Cakery wrote: »

I'm sure it has been said numerous times throughout this 102 page thread, but I think it's worth saying again;

I'd rather just buy what I want instead of gamble for it.

Random boxes are, in my opinion, a very low, cheap and cruel tactic to grab extra cash from players such as myself that enjoy cosmetics and have been happy to support the game through subscription and/or through the cash shop rotations.

With the cash shop the way it is now, I just personally don't see how or why random boxes are necessary.

Mortehl wrote: »

Thea random crates are disheartening. I like some of the new mounts data mined from the new content. If they're what's locked exclusively into loot crates, it will make me reconsider crown store purchases. For reference, I typically buy a 5500 crown pack every month for new silly stuff and repair kits, scrolls, et cetera.

Molag Bal is no longer satisfied with your petty offerings!!

Cakery

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Cousin_Idirfa wrote: »

Cakery wrote: »

I'm sure it has been said numerous times throughout this 102 page thread, but I think it's worth saying again;

I'd rather just buy what I want instead of gamble for it.

Random boxes are, in my opinion, a very low, cheap and cruel tactic to grab extra cash from players such as myself that enjoy cosmetics and have been happy to support the game through subscription and/or through the cash shop rotations.

With the cash shop the way it is now, I just personally don't see how or why random boxes are necessary.

Mortehl wrote: »

Thea random crates are disheartening. I like some of the new mounts data mined from the new content. If they're what's locked exclusively into loot crates, it will make me reconsider crown store purchases. For reference, I typically buy a 5500 crown pack every month for new silly stuff and repair kits, scrolls, et cetera.

Molag Bal is no longer satisfied with your petty offerings!!

My 1500 monthly crowns is petty in comparison.

5500 a month? Damn bruh.

VerboseQuips

No, don't ever add these into the game.

SantieClaws wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I'll be the first to say that actual gameplay is the most important thing. But when a game with stellar graphics like ESO comes along, it is going to draw the kinds of players that also care about aesthetics. Those who want an immersive world (like many a TES fan who has spent countless hours downloading custom content for their game PRECISELY so they can get their characters to look the way they want them to) also want characters that, to them, look the part. Whether that be sexy, beautiful, fierce or downright terrifying. So costumes and cosmetics matter to these players. And why shouldn't they? Being concerned with aesthetics is no more "shameful" than being concerned with your position on the leaderboards or finding the best build for trials or PvP. There's no rules on how people should enjoy the game.

But here's the difference...
PvPers don't have to pay extra real cash for new PvP gear... or rebalacing of classes... or changes to racials... all things they ask for routinely. But if I want my character to have hair that doesn't look like it was styled with a weed whacker that'll be 20 bucks please! it is we, silly people who want more control over how our characters LOOK, that pay for more content for those who care about how the game plays. You might want to be a little nicer to us.

Khajiit is in agreement. The costumes, mounts and emotes. These are how we express ourselves in Tamriel. This is what many of us are here for. Yet to get experience Tamriel fully in this way then khajiit she must purchase extras. This one she hears the phrase 'just cosmetics' and that this has no effect on the 'game'.

For many travellers this is the 'game'.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

I agree very much with this.

A leitmotiv of the Elder Scrolls game has been, at least since Morrowind, "Live another life, in another world". This means that the games were always designed to let us define our character with as much freedom as possible.
In ESO, cosmetics plays a big part, perhaps a leading part, in this defining of our characters. And so far I was happy to support the game by paying for additional degrees of (cosmetic) freedom in the substantiation of my characters.

The problem with these RNG boxes is that they put the weadth of freedom in creating characters behind a RNG wall. Let me rephrase it:

Our freedom in the defining of our characters, which is the crux and the very soul of the Elder Scrolls series, will now be hostage of a RNG machine.

The fact that only the cosmetic side of it is locked is irrelevant, as aesthetics is an integral and legitimate part of character creation and development.

Yes, we got you, it's not pay to win. In other words, it's not pay to play the competitive way. Now it's pay to maybe be able to play the Elder Scrolls way.
I am happy to pay to actually play the Elder Scrolls way, that is, with the broadest possible freedom in my character creation. The maybe, however, is unacceptable in my opinion.

Cerilon

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Went through 50 pages to find this thread, had to browse it in the end.. why are they hiding a thread were people are still discussing -.-

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

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Cerilon wrote: »

Went through 50 pages to find this thread, had to browse it in the end.. why are they hiding a thread were people are still discussing -.-

Did they sink this thread?

Edit: No, they did not.

LaiTash

Bring back the p2p model, please, and get rid of all that nonsence.

i divine rng boxes will be the only way to get a house

VerboseQuips

No, don't ever add these into the game.

LaiTash wrote: »

Bring back the p2p model, please, and get rid of all that nonsence.

i divine rng boxes will be the only way to get a house

I surely hope not! Otherwise, I'm out, plain and simple.

What also worries me is the very low drop rate of the new Motifs. Maybe they're low on purpose just because they intend to put the crafting styles in RNG boxes. Or worse, to create RNG boxes exclusive crafting styles. After all, they're just cosmetics(TM) Just imagine:

"Crown Store Showcase of December 2. This winter, you have a chance to win pages of the new wonderful and exclusive Stahlrim Motif in your RNG boxes - Don't miss out!"

Yuck.

clayandaudrey_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

VerboseQuips wrote: »

LaiTash wrote: »

Bring back the p2p model, please, and get rid of all that nonsence.

i divine rng boxes will be the only way to get a house

I surely hope not! Otherwise, I'm out, plain and simple.

What also worries me is the very low drop rate of the new Motifs. Maybe they're low on purpose just because they intend to put the crafting styles in RNG boxes. Or worse, to create RNG boxes exclusive crafting styles. After all, they're just cosmetics(TM) Just imagine:

"Crown Store Showcase of December 2. This winter, you have a chance to win pages of the new wonderful and exclusive Stahlrim Motif in your RNG boxes - Don't miss out!"

Yuck.

Get prepared to be out.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

VerboseQuips wrote: »

LaiTash wrote: »

Bring back the p2p model, please, and get rid of all that nonsence.

i divine rng boxes will be the only way to get a house

I surely hope not! Otherwise, I'm out, plain and simple.

What also worries me is the very low drop rate of the new Motifs. Maybe they're low on purpose just because they intend to put the crafting styles in RNG boxes. Or worse, to create RNG boxes exclusive crafting styles. After all, they're just cosmetics(TM) Just imagine:

"Crown Store Showcase of December 2. This winter, you have a chance to win pages of the new wonderful and exclusive Stahlrim Motif in your RNG boxes - Don't miss out!"

Yuck.

Historically, they have not sold pages in the Crown Store. It is all or nothing. (The equivalent "book of all" is available in the game, but it is very rare.)

I do expect that motifs will be a common exclusive seasonal Crown Crate item, but then I also think that of the more popular mounts, costumes, and pets.

Abeille

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

VerboseQuips wrote: »

"Crown Store Showcase of December 2. This winter, you have a chance to win pages of the new wonderful and exclusive Stahlrim Motif in your RNG boxes - Don't miss out!"

Oh good, a new reason for me to worry.
I'll put this right next to the "Ice Wolf being Box-Exclusive" reason.

GhostwalkerLD

No, don't ever add these into the game.

VerboseQuips wrote: »

LaiTash wrote: »

Bring back the p2p model, please, and get rid of all that nonsence.

i divine rng boxes will be the only way to get a house

I surely hope not! Otherwise, I'm out, plain and simple.

What also worries me is the very low drop rate of the new Motifs. Maybe they're low on purpose just because they intend to put the crafting styles in RNG boxes. Or worse, to create RNG boxes exclusive crafting styles. After all, they're just cosmetics(TM) Just imagine:

"Crown Store Showcase of December 2. This winter, you have a chance to win pages of the new wonderful and exclusive Stahlrim Motif in your RNG boxes - Don't miss out!"

Yuck.

"Just imagine" or rather, predict the inevitable.. it's only a matter of time. Probably less than a few months after the crate first hit the crown store on live, I'd wager.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Abeille wrote: »

VerboseQuips wrote: »

"Crown Store Showcase of December 2. This winter, you have a chance to win pages of the new wonderful and exclusive Stahlrim Motif in your RNG boxes - Don't miss out!"

Oh good, a new reason for me to worry.
I'll put this right next to the "Ice Wolf being Box-Exclusive" reason.

Just be aware that the more people "ooh" and "ahh" about some Crown Store thing, or the more it is requested in the "Take My Money Now" thread, the more likely that it will debut in the Crown Crates. Not a guarantee, since they will toss a few out for everyone, but I think the Crown Crates will be a priority. Otherwise, why have Crown Crates?

LaiTash wrote: »

i divine rng boxes will be the only way to get a house

I forgot to answer this. No. Crown Crates will not be the only way to get a house.

Kendaric

No, don't ever add these into the game.

LaiTash wrote: »

i divine rng boxes will be the only way to get a house

That's unlikely. However, it is very likely that furniture will find it's way into the crates, especially stuff like statues or anything that goes beyond basic furniture.

clayandaudrey_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

I forgot to answer this. No. Crown Crates will not be the only way to get a house.

No it will be more like swtor. Crowns or an ungodly amount of gold for the house. Some basic crap things that can be crafted, some very very rare drops from certain content, maybe a few tied to achievements but the best and most in the crown crates.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

VerboseQuips wrote: »

LaiTash wrote: »

Bring back the p2p model, please, and get rid of all that nonsence.

i divine rng boxes will be the only way to get a house

I surely hope not! Otherwise, I'm out, plain and simple.

What also worries me is the very low drop rate of the new Motifs. Maybe they're low on purpose just because they intend to put the crafting styles in RNG boxes. Or worse, to create RNG boxes exclusive crafting styles. After all, they're just cosmetics(TM) Just imagine:

"Crown Store Showcase of December 2. This winter, you have a chance to win pages of the new wonderful and exclusive Stahlrim Motif in your RNG boxes - Don't miss out!"

Yuck.

"Just imagine" or rather, predict the inevitable.. it's only a matter of time. Probably less than a few months after the crate first hit the crown store on live, I'd wager.

can anyone else see the irony in this statement?

ok, just me then....

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

I forgot to answer this. No. Crown Crates will not be the only way to get a house.

No it will be more like swtor. Crowns or an ungodly amount of gold for the house. Some basic crap things that can be crafted, some very very rare drops from certain content, maybe a few tied to achievements but the best and most in the crown crates.

Yup. It is not yet clear how they intend to stick it to us with housing. This is one of the most requested features. My gut tells me that they intend to squeeze this turnip for all the blood it can provide.

The RPG players in this game are the real targets of the Crown Store. If you are content to just play the game, you can get by with just the DLC and base game.

clayandaudrey_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

I forgot to answer this. No. Crown Crates will not be the only way to get a house.

No it will be more like swtor. Crowns or an ungodly amount of gold for the house. Some basic crap things that can be crafted, some very very rare drops from certain content, maybe a few tied to achievements but the best and most in the crown crates.

Yup. It is not yet clear how they intend to stick it to us with housing. This is one of the most requested features. My gut tells me that they intend to squeeze this turnip for all the blood it can provide.

The RPG players in this game are the real targets of the Crown Store. If you are content to just play the game, you can get by with just the DLC and base game.

QFT!

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

lordrichter wrote: »

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

I forgot to answer this. No. Crown Crates will not be the only way to get a house.

No it will be more like swtor. Crowns or an ungodly amount of gold for the house. Some basic crap things that can be crafted, some very very rare drops from certain content, maybe a few tied to achievements but the best and most in the crown crates.

Yup. It is not yet clear how they intend to stick it to us with housing. This is one of the most requested features. My gut tells me that they intend to squeeze this turnip for all the blood it can provide.

The RPG players in this game are the real targets of the Crown Store. If you are content to just play the game, you can get by with just the DLC and base game.

a house/room/shack by the sea that i can call my own is one of the main things that would enhance my gaming experience. i am quite willing to pay for it.

Abeille

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

lordrichter wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

VerboseQuips wrote: »

"Crown Store Showcase of December 2. This winter, you have a chance to win pages of the new wonderful and exclusive Stahlrim Motif in your RNG boxes - Don't miss out!"

Oh good, a new reason for me to worry.
I'll put this right next to the "Ice Wolf being Box-Exclusive" reason.

Just be aware that the more people "ooh" and "ahh" about some Crown Store thing, or the more it is requested in the "Take My Money Now" thread, the more likely that it will debut in the Crown Crates. Not a guarantee, since they will toss a few out for everyone, but I think the Crown Crates will be a priority. Otherwise, why have Crown Crates?

If the New Life Festival is anything like the Witches' Day Festival, then I think the Ice Mage Motif (the one datamined, that we think use Stahlrim to craft because Stahlrim was datamined too) might be found inside the containers that will drop during the festival. But I imagine they will be put in the RNG boxes after the festival is over.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

I forgot to answer this. No. Crown Crates will not be the only way to get a house.

No it will be more like swtor. Crowns or an ungodly amount of gold for the house. Some basic crap things that can be crafted, some very very rare drops from certain content, maybe a few tied to achievements but the best and most in the crown crates.

Yup. It is not yet clear how they intend to stick it to us with housing. This is one of the most requested features. My gut tells me that they intend to squeeze this turnip for all the blood it can provide.

The RPG players in this game are the real targets of the Crown Store. If you are content to just play the game, you can get by with just the DLC and base game.

a house/room/shack by the sea that i can call my own is one of the main things that would enhance my gaming experience. i am quite willing to pay for it.

That makes two of us.
Directly.
Not through gambling.
Like all of the things I am willing to pay for in this game.

jircris11

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

I personally have no issue with RNG boxes so long as they do not offer items that grant others an extreme advantage over others. Though i could see where those with a gambling addiction would have an issue. personally i am one of them, though over the years i have learned to control my self on that. i will spend maybe 20 bucks here and there (every 3-4 months) but that is about it. I use to spend 200-600 a week on stuff like that. In the end it is not up to the company but to the player to be responsible for their actions. It is a shame that ZoE thinks they need RNG boxes to make money but most free mmos and buy to play mmos are doing this now. swtor being one of the BIGGEST ones i can think of.

Personally i HATE rng and wish for it to be gone from games entirely, sadly they can not do that because then the game would lose a large focus for most.

Bouldercleave

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Mandragora wrote: »

I thought I can get over this, but I can see on myself, that it is not going to happen - instead I'm more and more here on forums rather than playing the game, because of this new feature. I cannot explain why - it is not that I would really miss any of those cosmetics, but it is comming back - every negative response from them to players wishes and ideas. Maybe I just cannot trust them anymore, because they managed to put all the worst about those boxes, that are in FtP games and games with lack of content, and put it together with a smiling face while everyone knows it is trash.

You mean this new feature that hasn't even happened yet?

My bigger issue would be how the housing and furniture are implemented. THAT is going to determine if ZoS gets any more of my $$$.

I'm strong enough not to sink money into the RNG box machine, but if housing and / or furniture is behind this wall - I'll be finding another game personally.

Kendaric

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Bouldercleave wrote: »

My bigger issue would be how the housing and furniture are implemented. THAT is going to determine if ZoS gets any more of my $$$.

I'm strong enough not to sink money into the RNG box machine, but if housing and / or furniture is behind this wall - I'll be finding another game personally.

Furniture will be, perhaps not initially but eventually it will come. The big question is... whether all furniture will be crown store only or can we craft some of it?
I fully expect ZOS to follow in EA's footsteps and basically implement crown crates in the same way as EA/BioWare has implemented their equivalent (cartel packs) in SWTOR. And that is not something to look forward to...

TheShadowScout

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I forever dislike the idea of "random chance" boxes... but as long as they only ever have cosmetic stuff... I guess i can live with that.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Mandragora wrote: »

I thought I can get over this, but I can see on myself, that it is not going to happen - instead I'm more and more here on forums rather than playing the game, because of this new feature. I cannot explain why - it is not that I would really miss any of those cosmetics, but it is comming back - every negative response from them to players wishes and ideas. Maybe I just cannot trust them anymore, because they managed to put all the worst about those boxes, that are in FtP games and games with lack of content, and put it together with a smiling face while everyone knows it is trash.

You mean this new feature that hasn't even happened yet?

My bigger issue would be how the housing and furniture are implemented. THAT is going to determine if ZoS gets any more of my $$$.

I'm strong enough not to sink money into the RNG box machine, but if housing and / or furniture is behind this wall - I'll be finding another game personally.

No one has really asked "why November" regarding when they are going to roll out Crown Crates. Crown Crates are hardly a "Christmas" revenue item, yet they are releasing these things midway between Update 12 and Update 13. I think the answer to that question would be very interesting.

While I don't expect that Housing will require Crown Crates, I am fairly certain that the two are linked. That is one reason I can think of why they would drop Crown Crates in November. This gets Crown Crates out there in advance of their intended purpose, and allows for a nice "Crown Crate Season" before we get into Housing. My thinking is that Housing will be the 2nd "Crown Crate Season".

So, why November? Because Housing will probably hit PTS in February for final delivery in March. They can get a good three months of Crown Crate Season One in before Update 13 drops.

Also! Don't forget that March is the anniversary of the Crown Store!