What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Thevampirenight wrote: »

I personally hope they add all the costumes into the crownstore even keeping the limited system then transfering the limited crownstore items to the boxes. I hope they give players the chance to get them first without the gamble. It would make them more money if they did this and it would basically help keep them from getting to greedy.

Im 100% sure there not going to bother to do both its cannabalizing there own market you dont have to buy the boxes because we bring out them in the store anyway then ppl will wait and buy them direct!! so whats the point of bringing out the boxes in the first place!! the ultra rare sh.t is going to be locked behind a 50+ box RNG any way at the very least!!

ItsGlaive

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

If I go into a restaurant and order a meal, I expect the meal I wanted. If the restaurant started selling me tickets which gave me the chance at the meal I wanted, or alternatively lots of things I didn't want, then I'm not going to eat there.

No. It is like going into a restaurant and seeing really really good food on the menu. Food you want. However, you have to buy a meal package for a really low price that gives you bread and water every time, but you have a chance of getting a better meal.

Xabien wrote: »

Honestly I don't think ESO is struggling for cash, I just think the investors and powers-that-be are getting greedy and want to see bigger profits, but if I'm wrong, maybe it's better to shutter a game if it can't support itself through honest means rather than wiping away any goodwill that's left? At this point all of these shady practices come at the expense of the Elder Scrolls and developer brands.

Ultimately, I think these boxes will serve the purpose of separating the performance and features of the game from revenue.

The devs made a fleeting reference to critical comments about them, which probably includes stuff I have said, but the fact of the matter is that the production of the game has been average. They have missed obvious opportunities to address high profile issues with systems, while still developing the systems. It costs more to go back into those systems and refactor them than it does to do it the first time. Sometimes, it feels like they stop working on something one or two iterations too early. For a studio that already works at a relatively slow pace, this just compounds the problem and makes it harder to deliver a top quality experience that will drive revenue.

The gamble boxes only require cosmetic items, and if people buy these up, it takes the pressure off the game designers to drive revenue.

[Snip] it takes presure off game designers to drive renvenue ... Its CASH GRAB praying on whales and idoits alike THATS ALL IT IS ... ZOS still cant answer ( TO FN SCARED TO ) the question why not stick these rare/ old items back in the crowns store at a fixed price...EVERYONE KNOWS WHY.. not enough money in it !!! maybe they should have offered a stable game for the last 2-3 months not a POS full of BUGS AND SO MANY ISSUES ... SO sure state the obvious that game companys need money for development all you want BUT now because there losing it and clearly customers they want ppl to gamble more money on there [Snip] at a PATHETIC atempt to make revenue LMFAO good luck!!....... watch the slope its pointing down!!

Well, they did give that million dollors away they have to give him at least 50k something a year, plus they have other things that do cost money I am guessing one tamerial is not cheap so basically, it could be they are trying to get more money. But Zenimax is a good company. its not perfect but still a much better company then cryptic.

Actually this move puts them about on par with Cryptic and PWE in terms of shady money making practices and a complete lack of respect for their playerbase.

Well, hopefully they are not doing this to be shady they are after all a busniess so expect them to do what they have to for the money but they are still much better then cryptic. Hopefully they won't get into this whole rng box thing and drive off the player base. I know its possibly going to hurt the player base because people will leave when they add it. Lets hope its not Zenimaxs big mistake.

But it is a shady business practice, by locking stuff behind any kind of "mystery box" they're effectively wringing their customers for more money intentionally. If they were being honest, the stuff would just get listed in the store and people would have the freedom of choice - pay a clearly stated price, or don't. This way, people will spend far more than the 5000 crowns that current overpriced crap items are listed at.

Was watching an ESO video cast on youtube the other day and one of the moderators put it quite succinctly, to paraphrase - this is where the line needs to be drawn. All of the incremental changes... the hike in item prices, the selling of exp pots etc etc, we all let that stuff go, figuring it wouldn't go much further. Well by allowing that, the bar has incrementally been forced lower and lower until now we're looking at lockboxes - the exact shady business practices that the likes of Trion and Perfect World are already reviled for. How much more do we let slide and how much lower will the bar be forced in the future?

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

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Well, Zenimax I am sure knows they can't do what they did, or what other companies have done. They know how much distrust people have with rngboxes/lockboxes. Its possibly why they held back on releasing them. I think they were going to add them this month but desided to wait till November. I would not be surprised if they changed their minds but I don't think they will. Its possible they will try not to rely on the rng boxes. They are just wanting some of the profits from such a system but I don't think they will go full blown gamble box. At least thats the hope.
I do think its a bad idea I would rather have a weekly rotation of the items in the crown store. Its something they could do. I think a lot more people would prefer to have that instead.

Don't think they will go "full blown gamble box"? I'm not entirely sure I understand what you mean here, this is exactly what these are. While I'd love to continue thinking that ZOS are an "honorable" business, this is exactly what's happening - right in front of our eyes. Denial at this late stage won't help anything.

Emmeric1964

Random box drops requiring store keys to open, or direct store-purchase lottery boxes are an excellent way for a company to make some huge profits.

The community generally voices disapproval, but as long as the items in the box do not confer any bonuses over anything available in the game, then the whining can be ignored. A unique mount skin? Heck yeah. Anything to do with cosmetics? Yep.

The best MMOs with boxes will deliver a number of items per box. So even if the key doesn't give you a rare mount, you get half a dozen other cool things. The items in the box are always sellable in the games where the majority approves of them.

The best way to soothe the community in implementing boxes is to allow an extremely low chance of getting a key-drop from a mob. You want to give the F2P players something to whet their appetite. They get a free key, open a box, and think, Hey, I want to open more. This was pretty cool. You also want to make both the keys and boxes sellable. Direct purchase lottery boxes are another story, of course. That route leaves lees availability for enticing F2P players in buying. Lottery boxes are generally more hated than lockboxes that drop in the game requiring keys.

I look forward to boxes!

Pomaikai

No, don't ever add these into the game.

You want this crap stopped? Everyone cancel their subs the minute they hit the Crown Store. Everyone! Now don't buy their evil gambling boxes. They'll be gone in less than a month.

MBite

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Pomaikai wrote: »

You want this crap stopped? Everyone cancel their subs the minute they hit the Crown Store. Everyone! Now don't buy their evil gambling boxes. They'll be gone in less than a month.

Say that to kids who stole their parents credit card. We might cancel our sub, but I doubt everyone will do that. So 15% lost in sub, but millions income from kids buying crownboxes.


BTW, welcome to page 100.

ItsGlaive

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Emmeric1964 wrote: »

Random box drops requiring store keys to open, or direct store-purchase lottery boxes are an excellent way for a company to make some huge profits.

The community generally voices disapproval, but as long as the items in the box do not confer any bonuses over anything available in the game, then the whining can be ignored. A unique mount skin? Heck yeah. Anything to do with cosmetics? Yep.

The best MMOs with boxes will deliver a number of items per box. So even if the key doesn't give you a rare mount, you get half a dozen other cool things. The items in the box are always sellable in the games where the majority approves of them.

The best way to soothe the community in implementing boxes is to allow an extremely low chance of getting a key-drop from a mob. You want to give the F2P players something to whet their appetite. They get a free key, open a box, and think, Hey, I want to open more. This was pretty cool. You also want to make both the keys and boxes sellable. Direct purchase lottery boxes are another story, of course. That route leaves lees availability for enticing F2P players in buying. Lottery boxes are generally more hated than lockboxes that drop in the game requiring keys.

I look forward to boxes!

This attitude right here, and ones like it, are the reason devs continue to exploit players with reckless abandon. Sorry I don't mean to call you out here, you're not the only one with this opinion, just the most recent example. But to add to your point about "other cool stuff" - the chest will be filled out with real fluff - potions and food that no one asked for. Not stuff players would actively choose to purchase through the store. So nothing cool at all really.

MBite wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

You want this crap stopped? Everyone cancel their subs the minute they hit the Crown Store. Everyone! Now don't buy their evil gambling boxes. They'll be gone in less than a month.

BTW, welcome to page 100.

Yep. This forum has seen some issues in its time, but rarely if ever have we had 100 page threads like this

JKorr

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Emmeric1964 wrote: »

Random box drops requiring store keys to open, or direct store-purchase lottery boxes are an excellent way for a company to make some huge profits.

The community generally voices disapproval, but as long as the items in the box do not confer any bonuses over anything available in the game, then the whining can be ignored. A unique mount skin? Heck yeah. Anything to do with cosmetics? Yep.

The best MMOs with boxes will deliver a number of items per box. So even if the key doesn't give you a rare mount, you get half a dozen other cool things. The items in the box are always sellable in the games where the majority approves of them.

The best way to soothe the community in implementing boxes is to allow an extremely low chance of getting a key-drop from a mob. You want to give the F2P players something to whet their appetite. They get a free key, open a box, and think, Hey, I want to open more. This was pretty cool. You also want to make both the keys and boxes sellable. Direct purchase lottery boxes are another story, of course. That route leaves lees availability for enticing F2P players in buying. Lottery boxes are generally more hated than lockboxes that drop in the game requiring keys.

I look forward to boxes!

What if the items aren't "cool things"?

How much food and drinks do you buy from the crown store? Those are "consumables", and they are going to be in each box. There is a slight chance to get one of the limited time items in the box. Not a guarantee, but you'll get the food and drinks. There is a "very rare" chance you'll get a special rngesus box only item. EVERY ITEM IS BOUND TO YOUR ACCOUNT. You can't sell anything. If you get a duplicate, you can trade it in for "gems". They haven't disclosed whether the exchange will be one for one, like "get a guar you already have, and trade it for a senche that you don't". If it isn't one for one, how many duplicates, and you can trade only the duplicate limited items, will you have to have before you can use the gems to buy that item that you do want? If it is even available, because they also didn't say that every item will be available all the time.

If you haven't been buying every limited costume and mount, you won't get a lot of duplicates, so you won't be trading in very many items for gems. But hey, don't worry, it seems you'll be able to buy the boxes in lots of 15 at a time. You'll get all the items you didn't want to buy in the first place in no time. Then the next several lots of 15 boxes will let you start racking up the gems for dups so you can buy the thing you really wanted. *If* the item is in the gem store this go round. They said they'd be changing out items on a regular basis....

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Emmeric1964 wrote: »

Random box drops requiring store keys to open, or direct store-purchase lottery boxes are an excellent way for a company to make some huge profits.

The community generally voices disapproval, but as long as the items in the box do not confer any bonuses over anything available in the game, then the whining can be ignored. A unique mount skin? Heck yeah. Anything to do with cosmetics? Yep.

The best MMOs with boxes will deliver a number of items per box. So even if the key doesn't give you a rare mount, you get half a dozen other cool things. The items in the box are always sellable in the games where the majority approves of them.

The best way to soothe the community in implementing boxes is to allow an extremely low chance of getting a key-drop from a mob. You want to give the F2P players something to whet their appetite. They get a free key, open a box, and think, Hey, I want to open more. This was pretty cool. You also want to make both the keys and boxes sellable. Direct purchase lottery boxes are another story, of course. That route leaves lees availability for enticing F2P players in buying. Lottery boxes are generally more hated than lockboxes that drop in the game requiring keys.

I look forward to boxes!

lmfao cool things so crap to fill you invent that you will end up throwing away some ppl are so niave.. but go ahead ill await yours and all the other ppl when they realize there throwing good money away to get something your not going to get unless you spend 10k-50k crowns!! till ZOS cleans you out of money and they move on to the next whale to support there filthy bussiness plans!! good luck!!

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MBite wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

You want this crap stopped? Everyone cancel their subs the minute they hit the Crown Store. Everyone! Now don't buy their evil gambling boxes. They'll be gone in less than a month.

Say that to kids who stole their parents credit card. We might cancel our sub, but I doubt everyone will do that. So 15% lost in sub, but millions income from kids buying crownboxes.


BTW, welcome to page 100.

Wow! 100 pages of pure unadulterated love for the Crown Boxes

I'll just take this moment to say the community has resoundingly supported this upcoming content.

Today is opposite day btw.

GhostwalkerLD

No, don't ever add these into the game.

nimander99 wrote: »

MBite wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

You want this crap stopped? Everyone cancel their subs the minute they hit the Crown Store. Everyone! Now don't buy their evil gambling boxes. They'll be gone in less than a month.

Say that to kids who stole their parents credit card. We might cancel our sub, but I doubt everyone will do that. So 15% lost in sub, but millions income from kids buying crownboxes.


BTW, welcome to page 100.

Wow! 100 pages of pure unadulterated love for the Crown Boxes

I'll just take this moment to say the community has resoundingly supported this upcoming content.

Today is opposite day btw.

Opposite day or not, 100 pages of what is clearly voicing our displeasure over these boxes is a good milestone, as far as I'm concerned. At this point I don't care if ZOS ignores it (like we all know they will), at least we can say we made our opinions known.

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Well, we hit page 100. I'd say try for 200 but sod that.

They cant tell us nobody objected. Not if they dont wanna lie through their teeth anyway.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

No, don't ever add these into the game.

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

Opposite day or not, 100 pages of what is clearly voicing our displeasure over these boxes is a good milestone, as far as I'm concerned. At this point I don't care if ZOS ignores it (like we all know they will), at least we can say we made our opinions known.

Concur with this. Unless, I don't know, could we stage a walk-out of sorts? Everybody not log in for a week once the lockboxes land?

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Well, after we see them on PTS in a couple of weeks, I am sure everyone will realize they like them.











someone said something about opposite day?

MornaBaine

No, don't ever add these into the game.

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

The gamble boxes only require cosmetic items, and if people buy these up, it takes the pressure off the game designers to drive revenue.

At which point they get laid off, because the company as a whole no longer needs them to make money.

Sadly, the suits who make these terrible decisions DON'T get laid off and made to suffer. They just get transferred to something else to destroy. It's the hard working devs, coders and artists and writers, the people who made the game something we wanted to play in the first place, who lose their jobs and are made to suffer. People we like such as some of our more beloved forum mods here.

MornaBaine

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

arasysb14_ESO wrote: »

I was wondering if housing & decoration would become part of crown store since RNG boxes were announced, now I got my answer.

http://elderscrolls.net/2016/09/02/17765-tes-online-budushhee-kronnogo-magazina-patch-2-6-0/

So it is probably safe to assume there will be limited time decoration offers, which will be included in RNG boxes as well..

Anyone notice the "Portable Banker Premium" and "Portable Merchant Premium"? Want to bet whoever gets these will be able to get guild banks/stores and the merchant will repair?

If the mounts are offered for outright sale, it might not be bad. People can decide what they want and whether the item is worth it. But the rngesus crates? Oh yeah, right. 400 crowns. Cheaper if you spend more though and get the 15 crate bundle....

Yeah this is heading down a path I don't think I want to be on.

Actually, that was my first thought as well but apparently these 'premium' guys will allow party members to use them. Yeah, that's it, party member use = 5000 crowns to buy the same guys but you get to share! 6 months later they will release the uber premium which will be all of the above plus repair and guild store for a small down payment of 10k Crowns financed annually for an addition 2000 crown tax.

But party members can use the existing ones already.
I'm thinking it can be just a labeling error and they are just the same merchant and banker but with a different look.

I would like to think it was a labeling error. Or they decided that the banker shouldn't be a dunmer. But, I don't really believe that. I think its going farther down that slope. Or maybe they know that the dueling in towns will make slideshows, so hey! buy the banker and merchant and don't worry about needing to go to town for the bank and to buy items from the npc merchant.....

It is just some wishful thinking.
I still hope that ZOS is just adding options regarding the appearance of the assistants. There are people who are going to pay for their assistants to look a certain way for sure. There was a thread a while ago on the Crown Store part of the forum about letting us use appearance tokens on the assistants to make them different, so there is certainly a market for different assistants.

Its possible they will add differant types of assistants. I imagine different looking ones in the crown store.
I would like to see a vampire thrall assistant that you can feed on without risk of getting a bounty.

Now THAT I might actually be willing to pay 5,000 crowns for JUST because it would be cool.

Tavore1138

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Emmeric1964 wrote: »

Random box drops requiring store keys to open, or direct store-purchase lottery boxes are an excellent way for a company to make some huge profits.

The community generally voices disapproval, but as long as the items in the box do not confer any bonuses over anything available in the game, then the whining can be ignored. A unique mount skin? Heck yeah. Anything to do with cosmetics? Yep.

The best MMOs with boxes will deliver a number of items per box. So even if the key doesn't give you a rare mount, you get half a dozen other cool things. The items in the box are always sellable in the games where the majority approves of them.

The best way to soothe the community in implementing boxes is to allow an extremely low chance of getting a key-drop from a mob. You want to give the F2P players something to whet their appetite. They get a free key, open a box, and think, Hey, I want to open more. This was pretty cool. You also want to make both the keys and boxes sellable. Direct purchase lottery boxes are another story, of course. That route leaves lees availability for enticing F2P players in buying. Lottery boxes are generally more hated than lockboxes that drop in the game requiring keys.

I look forward to boxes!

Sad but true, that's how all sellers of addictive things get their victims in the end. Just try a bit, I'm sure they'll start with a couple of cheap ones maybe even a free one or two to get people hooked....

It's just disappointing to some of us to realise that ZOS have all the morality of a playground crack dealer...

JKith

No, don't ever add these into the game.

After hearing the full explanation on the youtube by the devs,.. my views have changed a bit, and while I still am not thrilled about them,.. i don't dislike them as much for the following reasons:

1: Its just cosmetics/mounts etc.. not anything that will make your toon OP.

2: If you want something, and are buying crates to get it, it won't take THAT long to get it because of the crown gems. After several boxes you should have enough gems to just buy what you want with them... eliminating the constant need to purchase them.

3: At 400 crown, they aren't super expensive.

I don't hate them as much now, I feel like I can live with them now.. but i sure won't be purchasing them

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

JKith wrote: »

2: If you want something, and are buying crates to get it, it won't take THAT long to get it because of the crown gems. After several boxes you should have enough gems to just buy what you want with them... eliminating the constant need to purchase them.

This is very T.B.D.

But, otherwise, yeah. I like to buy items from the store, so the only "hitch" that I see is that they won't put stuff in the store for direct purchase that I want to buy. Crown Crate exclusives will see to that. I guess I should not be complaining since I won't need to buy Crowns if they do that.

Kemono

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Postin on page 100, Yeah

Even, with something special, yeah.... cry... QQ

KriHavok wrote: »

@GhostwalkerLD A good chunk of these collectibles seem to be exclusive to Crown Crates. More specifically, the Atronach, Skeletal, and Wild Hunt mounts will be, as well as 'Dwemer' (mounts?) too.

Here's a quick preview of them from the new Icons + Items Showcase that I'm working on right now:

lootcrate

atronach

dwemer

skeletal

wildhunt

Whats interesting: theres still not even a trace of any dwemer/steam mount or pet. Nothing was even datamined, ever. Not even a single icon -it looks that Zenimax is planing ahead in YEARS

Btw im sad -i was hoping that at least skeletal mount appear in store at Witches Festival -cos crates are supposed to hit store at "end of the year".
Now im not so sure about that -maybe crates arive way sooner that i/we expected ?

From the look of it -i also expect rest of the mounts (that are not "themed") to be released outside of crates -so all kagouti, stag, white lion, white&red wolf should be avaible in normal crown store.
At least i hope so ;D

Blackbird71

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

Ultimately, I think these boxes will serve the purpose of separating the performance and features of the game from revenue.

This is the single most accurate and succinct summary of the key issue with these boxes that I have seen, in this game or otherwise. This really is the heart of the matter, as once the performance and features of the game are no longer the primary driver behind the revenue the game generates, quality will suffer dramatically.

This is why these boxes have a negative impact on the game and everyone who plays it, regardless of whether the items are "purely cosmetic" or become full-blown pay-to-win, regardless of whether you are a player who buys these boxes or not; it will affect everyone. This is why every single player who actually enjoys ESO and wants it to maintain (or improve) its level of quality should be horrified at the prospect of these boxes being introduced to this game.

And no, this is not hyperbole, and it is not speculation. It is a pattern that has played out in every other MMO that has introduced similar boxes, and there is zero evidence of any reason that it will be any different in ESO. Frankly, expecting ESO to be the exception to the rule is the most baseless of speculation.

GhostwalkerLD

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Kemono wrote: »

Postin on page 100, Yeah

Even, with something special, yeah.... cry... QQ

KriHavok wrote: »

@GhostwalkerLD A good chunk of these collectibles seem to be exclusive to Crown Crates. More specifically, the Atronach, Skeletal, and Wild Hunt mounts will be, as well as 'Dwemer' (mounts?) too.

Here's a quick preview of them from the new Icons + Items Showcase that I'm working on right now:

lootcrate

atronach

dwemer

skeletal

wildhunt

Whats interesting: theres still not even a trace of any dwemer/steam mount or pet. Nothing was even datamined, ever. Not even a single icon -it looks that Zenimax is planing ahead in YEARS

Btw im sad -i was hoping that at least skeletal mount appear in store at Witches Festival -cos crates are supposed to hit store at "end of the year".
Now im not so sure about that -maybe crates arive way sooner that i/we expected ?

From the look of it -i also expect rest of the mounts (that are not "themed") to be released outside of crates -so all kagouti, stag, white lion, white&red wolf should be avaible in normal crown store.
At least i hope so ;D

*sigh* You and me both hope so. A lot of that stuff in the datamine thread looks like something I would be interested in buying from the crown store. For a flat price. Unfortunately it seems that the vast majority of it is indeed destined to be gambled for.

GhostwalkerLD

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Blackbird71 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Ultimately, I think these boxes will serve the purpose of separating the performance and features of the game from revenue.

This is the single most accurate and succinct summary of the key issue with these boxes that I have seen, in this game or otherwise. This really is the heart of the matter, as once the performance and features of the game are no longer the primary driver behind the revenue the game generates, quality will suffer dramatically.

This is why these boxes have a negative impact on the game and everyone who plays it, regardless of whether the items are "purely cosmetic" or become full-blown pay-to-win, regardless of whether you are a player who buys these boxes or not; it will affect everyone. This is why every single player who actually enjoys ESO and wants it to maintain (or improve) its level of quality should be horrified at the prospect of these boxes being introduced to this game.

And no, this is not hyperbole, and it is not speculation. It is a pattern that has played out in every other MMO that has introduced similar boxes, and there is zero evidence of any reason that it will be any different in ESO. Frankly, expecting ESO to be the exception to the rule is the most baseless of speculation.

EXACTLY! I wish more people understood this. The more the game development turns toward just making new, cool stuff to put on the cash store and lockboxes, the more the development for the rest of the game (including future DLC/expansions) suffers as a result.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

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GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

EXACTLY! I wish more people understood this. The more the game development turns toward just making new, cool stuff to put on the cash store and lockboxes, the more the development for the rest of the game (including future DLC/expansions) suffers as a result.

While not ideal for us ESO fans, I will hazard some wild speculation that the Fallout fans might find this a very equitable situation.

Mojmir

No, don't ever add these into the game.

100 pages,damn

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

Blackbird71 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Ultimately, I think these boxes will serve the purpose of separating the performance and features of the game from revenue.

This is the single most accurate and succinct summary of the key issue with these boxes that I have seen, in this game or otherwise. This really is the heart of the matter, as once the performance and features of the game are no longer the primary driver behind the revenue the game generates, quality will suffer dramatically.

This is why these boxes have a negative impact on the game and everyone who plays it, regardless of whether the items are "purely cosmetic" or become full-blown pay-to-win, regardless of whether you are a player who buys these boxes or not; it will affect everyone. This is why every single player who actually enjoys ESO and wants it to maintain (or improve) its level of quality should be horrified at the prospect of these boxes being introduced to this game.

And no, this is not hyperbole, and it is not speculation. It is a pattern that has played out in every other MMO that has introduced similar boxes, and there is zero evidence of any reason that it will be any different in ESO. Frankly, expecting ESO to be the exception to the rule is the most baseless of speculation.

EXACTLY! I wish more people understood this. The more the game development turns toward just making new, cool stuff to put on the cash store and lockboxes, the more the development for the rest of the game (including future DLC/expansions) suffers as a result.

I understand the optimistic view you are taking here @GhostwalkerLD but unfortunately that isn't how game development works. If they suddenly have and extra million dollars that doesn't equate a million dollars worth of staff and development etc. It usually means bonus' for the CEO, CFO, shareholders etc.

They have a 1, 5 and 10 year business strategy that was worked out before Alpha testing began on this game and they have been sticking too it. Guaranteed.

Yeah, yeah, minor changes here and there, adjustments to plan. Probably have sped it up a bit but other than that the marketing team at Zenimax laid out a path for continued revenue and gambling was always a part of it.

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

Blackbird71 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Ultimately, I think these boxes will serve the purpose of separating the performance and features of the game from revenue.

This is the single most accurate and succinct summary of the key issue with these boxes that I have seen, in this game or otherwise. This really is the heart of the matter, as once the performance and features of the game are no longer the primary driver behind the revenue the game generates, quality will suffer dramatically.

This is why these boxes have a negative impact on the game and everyone who plays it, regardless of whether the items are "purely cosmetic" or become full-blown pay-to-win, regardless of whether you are a player who buys these boxes or not; it will affect everyone. This is why every single player who actually enjoys ESO and wants it to maintain (or improve) its level of quality should be horrified at the prospect of these boxes being introduced to this game.

And no, this is not hyperbole, and it is not speculation. It is a pattern that has played out in every other MMO that has introduced similar boxes, and there is zero evidence of any reason that it will be any different in ESO. Frankly, expecting ESO to be the exception to the rule is the most baseless of speculation.

EXACTLY! I wish more people understood this. The more the game development turns toward just making new, cool stuff to put on the cash store and lockboxes, the more the development for the rest of the game (including future DLC/expansions) suffers as a result.

well kinda no they need money to develop content so these stupid lock boxes is there unicorn to getting money off idiots and naive ppl who buy them.. i dont dislike ZOS making money ( clearly they need it with the pathetic showing of shadows of hist ) its the method of doing so by scamming ppl into buying boxes and more boxes in hope of reciving something thats rare to raise revenue is disgusting and a pathetic way of doing bussiness!! that i DONT LIKE.. ppl will soon find out that there crowns will be wasted on crap that they dont need in hope of that shinny!!!

Cousin_Idirfa

No, don't ever add these into the game.

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JKith wrote: »

After hearing the full explanation on the youtube by the devs,.. my views have changed a bit, and while I still am not thrilled about them,.. i don't dislike them as much for the following reasons:

1: Its just cosmetics/mounts etc.. not anything that will make your toon OP.

2: If you want something, and are buying crates to get it, it won't take THAT long to get it because of the crown gems. After several boxes you should have enough gems to just buy what you want with them... eliminating the constant need to purchase them.

3: At 400 crown, they aren't super expensive.

I don't hate them as much now, I feel like I can live with them now.. but i sure won't be purchasing them

I understand where you're coming from on this, but if what they said were true, that it won't take that long to get the item the player wants, then there would be no reason to add a second currency to the crown store, and absolutely no reason for the gambling crates. They could just keep selling the items outright on the crown store. These will not work in the player's favor. "Working toward the thing that you want" is just a way to spin the fact that players are going to have to spend more money buying boxes to get the thing they want. And we're still only buying a chance. No guarantee that we'll ever get the thing that we want.

MornaBaine wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

The gamble boxes only require cosmetic items, and if people buy these up, it takes the pressure off the game designers to drive revenue.

At which point they get laid off, because the company as a whole no longer needs them to make money.

Sadly, the suits who make these terrible decisions DON'T get laid off and made to suffer. They just get transferred to something else to destroy. It's the hard working devs, coders and artists and writers, the people who made the game something we wanted to play in the first place, who lose their jobs and are made to suffer. People we like such as some of our more beloved forum mods here.

Also sad is the suits that make these decisions will probably never see this thread or hear any of the concerns raised in this thread

ShadowFoxx

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I just want this....

http://imgur.com/uhouc2C.png

but not from a lock box, learned my lesson the hard way from another game a few years back and NEVER again, wasted/lost alot of money and got nothing.

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

ShadowFoxx wrote: »

I just want this....

http://imgur.com/uhouc2C.png

but not from a lock box, learned my lesson the hard way from another game a few years back and NEVER again, wasted/lost alot of money and got nothing.

From what I understand, they are only adding exclusive mounts and limited time stuff to the crates.
I am guessing all the attronoch mounts would be exclusive to them. Thing is they have a lot of stuff they have created and have not released yet. So if they keep adding only a few things each month that stuff might take a few years for all of it to get into the crownstore or lootcrate:O.

Cousin_Idirfa

No, don't ever add these into the game.

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

Kemono wrote: »

Postin on page 100, Yeah

Even, with something special, yeah.... cry... QQ

KriHavok wrote: »

@GhostwalkerLD A good chunk of these collectibles seem to be exclusive to Crown Crates. More specifically, the Atronach, Skeletal, and Wild Hunt mounts will be, as well as 'Dwemer' (mounts?) too.

Here's a quick preview of them from the new Icons + Items Showcase that I'm working on right now:

lootcrate

atronach

dwemer

skeletal

wildhunt

Whats interesting: theres still not even a trace of any dwemer/steam mount or pet. Nothing was even datamined, ever. Not even a single icon -it looks that Zenimax is planing ahead in YEARS

Btw im sad -i was hoping that at least skeletal mount appear in store at Witches Festival -cos crates are supposed to hit store at "end of the year".
Now im not so sure about that -maybe crates arive way sooner that i/we expected ?

From the look of it -i also expect rest of the mounts (that are not "themed") to be released outside of crates -so all kagouti, stag, white lion, white&red wolf should be avaible in normal crown store.
At least i hope so ;D

*sigh* You and me both hope so. A lot of that stuff in the datamine thread looks like something I would be interested in buying from the crown store. For a flat price. Unfortunately it seems that the vast majority of it is indeed destined to be gambled for.

I hear you. I would have bought a lot of these items outright on the crown store (Especially the Wild Hunt and Skeletal mounts). Unfortunately, it seems they are not only implementing these gambling crates, but they are going all-in on them.