What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

GhostwalkerLD

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Kemono wrote: »

I hear you. I would have bought a lot of these items outright on the crown store (Especially the Wild Hunt and Skeletal mounts). Unfortunately, it seems they are not only implementing these gambling crates, but they are going all-in on them.

Yeah, it's really rather sad. *sigh* But I guess they figure they can make much, much more money off the gambling boxes than of those of us who would happily buy many of these items just off the regular store, but now apparently won't be allowed to.

Easily_Lost

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

So how long are you going to beat this dead horse?

JKorr

No, don't ever add these into the game.

hagermanj wrote: »

So how long are you going to beat this dead horse?

Until they shut down any further discussion. There is no way that anyone official can claim that everyone loves the idea of the rngesus boxes.

Just how often does "WE NEED AN AUCTION HOUSE" come up? Lots of other topics too. You know it takes less effort to ignore a thread you aren't interested in than it takes to make a post and pull it to the top of the forum again so more people see it, right?

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

JKorr wrote: »

hagermanj wrote: »

So how long are you going to beat this dead horse?

Until they shut down any further discussion. There is no way that anyone official can claim that everyone loves the idea of the rngesus boxes.

Just how often does "WE NEED AN AUCTION HOUSE" come up? Lots of other topics too. You know it takes less effort to ignore a thread you aren't interested in than it takes to make a post and pull it to the top of the forum again so more people see it, right?

he has a point.... a hundred pages of pretty much the same people saying the same things over and over again.

Kendaric

No, don't ever add these into the game.

hagermanj wrote: »

So how long are you going to beat this dead horse?

As long as necessary.

Kemono

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

hagermanj wrote: »

So how long are you going to beat this dead horse?

Until they shut down any further discussion. There is no way that anyone official can claim that everyone loves the idea of the rngesus boxes.

Just how often does "WE NEED AN AUCTION HOUSE" come up? Lots of other topics too. You know it takes less effort to ignore a thread you aren't interested in than it takes to make a post and pull it to the top of the forum again so more people see it, right?

he has a point.... a hundred pages of pretty much the same people saying the same things over and over again.

yes, i admit that this thread is fueled by only a "dozen" of people and they repeating same arguments, but still -there is 1250 votes, and theres 61.1K views
And no, those views are not from dozen of main thread contributors.

And while this thread is not going to change anything in grand scheme of things -its going to be hard to Zeni to claim that there are only few "concerned players" while majority is really glad that loot bags finally arived to the store

anitajoneb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Kemono wrote: »

And while this thread is not going to change anything in grand scheme of things -its going to be hard to Zeni to claim that there are only few "concerned players" while majority is really glad that loot bags finally arived to the store

ZOS won't "claim" anything. They'll say that the crown crates sell very well - and that will probably be true.

SantieClaws

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

*spank* Get up Shergar. Get up! *spank*

Khajiit she is still not pleased with the idea of the boxes and does not buy the line that this is the best way to get previous store items to those that missed them.

The best way to get previous store items to those that missed them would surely be to put them back in the store ...

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Psst - Anyone want to buy some horsemeat? The Bosmer on the left perhaps?

Mandragora

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I thought I can get over this, but I can see on myself, that it is not going to happen - instead I'm more and more here on forums rather than playing the game, because of this new feature. I cannot explain why - it is not that I would really miss any of those cosmetics, but it is comming back - every negative response from them to players wishes and ideas. Maybe I just cannot trust them anymore, because they managed to put all the worst about those boxes, that are in FtP games and games with lack of content, and put it together with a smiling face while everyone knows it is trash.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Kemono wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

hagermanj wrote: »

So how long are you going to beat this dead horse?

Until they shut down any further discussion. There is no way that anyone official can claim that everyone loves the idea of the rngesus boxes.

Just how often does "WE NEED AN AUCTION HOUSE" come up? Lots of other topics too. You know it takes less effort to ignore a thread you aren't interested in than it takes to make a post and pull it to the top of the forum again so more people see it, right?

he has a point.... a hundred pages of pretty much the same people saying the same things over and over again.

yes, i admit that this thread is fueled by only a "dozen" of people and they repeating same arguments, but still -there is 1250 votes, and theres 61.1K views
And no, those views are not from dozen of main thread contributors.

And while this thread is not going to change anything in grand scheme of things -its going to be hard to Zeni to claim that there are only few "concerned players" while majority is really glad that loot bags finally arived to the store

why do you consider the number of views significant?

i must be responsible for at least a hundred of them - looking in the vain hope that someone has something new to say.

SorataArisugawa

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Kemono wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

hagermanj wrote: »

So how long are you going to beat this dead horse?

Until they shut down any further discussion. There is no way that anyone official can claim that everyone loves the idea of the rngesus boxes.

Just how often does "WE NEED AN AUCTION HOUSE" come up? Lots of other topics too. You know it takes less effort to ignore a thread you aren't interested in than it takes to make a post and pull it to the top of the forum again so more people see it, right?

he has a point.... a hundred pages of pretty much the same people saying the same things over and over again.

yes, i admit that this thread is fueled by only a "dozen" of people and they repeating same arguments, but still -there is 1250 votes, and theres 61.1K views
And no, those views are not from dozen of main thread contributors.

And while this thread is not going to change anything in grand scheme of things -its going to be hard to Zeni to claim that there are only few "concerned players" while majority is really glad that loot bags finally arived to the store

why do you consider the number of views significant?

i must be responsible for at least a hundred of them - looking in the vain hope that someone has something new to say.

Nobody needs to say something new, as long the old points are valid and not adressed...

GhostwalkerLD

No, don't ever add these into the game.

SantieClaws wrote: »

*spank* Get up Shergar. Get up! *spank*

Khajiit she is still not pleased with the idea of the boxes and does not buy the line that this is the best way to get previous store items to those that missed them.

The best way to get previous store items to those that missed them would surely be to put them back in the store ...

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Psst - Anyone want to buy some horsemeat? The Bosmer on the left perhaps?

Ouch! OW!! This one is not a horse, Santie!!!!!

But seriously, your posts are always awesome. And that's what we've been saying! It makes no sense to create artificial scarcity by pulling items off the crown store to begin with.. it's a DIGITAL STORE. It has no physical space to conserve! Plenty of people would have bought those 'exclusive' items when they could have afforded them, who couldn't have during the few days or week that they were available "limited time only!"

Of course, now we see just how many of these items will be going into those crown crates, already over 100 I think? So maybe this idea was already in development many, many months ago. Perhaps that was the reason for the 'exclusive' offers all along.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Mandragora wrote: »

I thought I can get over this, but I can see on myself, that it is not going to happen - instead I'm more and more here on forums rather than playing the game, because of this new feature. I cannot explain why - it is not that I would really miss any of those cosmetics, but it is comming back - every negative response from them to players wishes and ideas. Maybe I just cannot trust them anymore, because they managed to put all the worst about those boxes, that are in FtP games and games with lack of content, and put it together with a smiling face while everyone knows it is trash.

I think it is quite easy to explain, why you feel this way. No one really appreciates to be milked and drained off his spare money with the least amount of effort possible, and this is what these boxes are. They drain money from the players while not providing anything new other than the way, in which is is marketed, and not even the idea of that is new, but a well known abusive scheme in free to play games. One knows what to expect from a free to play game, but when a publisher of a buy to play game does this and you can pretty much expect, that nothing good can come from this move - not for the players at least - then one does not really want to be a part of this. It is like that to me, I have just logged in a few times to the game since they announced this and not played for long. I was still active for 2/3 of this thread on the forums, but even this is now ceasing. It looks like I am over with this game, if these boxes will stay - and I guess they will - and maybe you will experience the same as I did with it. It is not a bad thing though, I enjoy life more since I am no longer caring much about ESO.

GhostwalkerLD

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

Mandragora wrote: »

I thought I can get over this, but I can see on myself, that it is not going to happen - instead I'm more and more here on forums rather than playing the game, because of this new feature. I cannot explain why - it is not that I would really miss any of those cosmetics, but it is comming back - every negative response from them to players wishes and ideas. Maybe I just cannot trust them anymore, because they managed to put all the worst about those boxes, that are in FtP games and games with lack of content, and put it together with a smiling face while everyone knows it is trash.

I think it is quite easy to explain, why you feel this way. No one really appreciates to be milked and drained off his spare money with the least amount of effort possible, and this is what these boxes are. They drain money from the players while not providing anything new other than the way, in which is is marketed, and not even the idea of that is new, but a well known abusive scheme in free to play games. One knows what to expect from a free to play game, but when a publisher of a buy to play game does this and you can pretty much expect, that nothing good can come from this move - not for the players at least - then one does not really want to be a part of this. It is like that to me, I have just logged in a few times to the game since they announced this and not played for long. I was still active for 2/3 of this thread on the forums, but even this is now ceasing. It looks like I am over with this game, if these boxes will stay - and I guess they will - and maybe you will experience the same as I did with it. It is not a bad thing though, I enjoy life more since I am no longer caring much about ESO.

Hate to say it but I'm kind of in the same boat. I just don't feel much desire to log into the game now that I know these crates are coming and everything that will inevitably come with them afterwards. It's really troubling because there just aren't any good MMOs coming out that I would be interested in (or any at all, to my knowledge) and I do have many friends here.. but I just can't support this.

I guess I'll see how I feel at the end of the month and then decide.

Blackbird71

No, don't ever add these into the game.

snakester320 wrote: »

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

Blackbird71 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Ultimately, I think these boxes will serve the purpose of separating the performance and features of the game from revenue.

This is the single most accurate and succinct summary of the key issue with these boxes that I have seen, in this game or otherwise. This really is the heart of the matter, as once the performance and features of the game are no longer the primary driver behind the revenue the game generates, quality will suffer dramatically.

This is why these boxes have a negative impact on the game and everyone who plays it, regardless of whether the items are "purely cosmetic" or become full-blown pay-to-win, regardless of whether you are a player who buys these boxes or not; it will affect everyone. This is why every single player who actually enjoys ESO and wants it to maintain (or improve) its level of quality should be horrified at the prospect of these boxes being introduced to this game.

And no, this is not hyperbole, and it is not speculation. It is a pattern that has played out in every other MMO that has introduced similar boxes, and there is zero evidence of any reason that it will be any different in ESO. Frankly, expecting ESO to be the exception to the rule is the most baseless of speculation.

EXACTLY! I wish more people understood this. The more the game development turns toward just making new, cool stuff to put on the cash store and lockboxes, the more the development for the rest of the game (including future DLC/expansions) suffers as a result.

well kinda no they need money to develop content so these stupid lock boxes is there unicorn to getting money off idiots and naive ppl who buy them.. i dont dislike ZOS making money ( clearly they need it with the pathetic showing of shadows of hist ) its the method of doing so by scamming ppl into buying boxes and more boxes in hope of reciving something thats rare to raise revenue is disgusting and a pathetic way of doing bussiness!! that i DONT LIKE.. ppl will soon find out that there crowns will be wasted on crap that they dont need in hope of that shinny!!!

The problem is that when you remove the development of quality content as the primary factor in the revenue stream, you remove any incentive to actually produce quality content. The end result (as has been seen in other games) is usually lackluster "expansions", and a continual production of new bugs without any significant progress in bug fixes (new or old), simply because the quality of the product no longer matters. When the cost of maintaining or improving the quality of a product is negatively disproportionate to the increase in revenue such quality would provide, specifically because there are other less resource-intensive means of producing greater revenue, what is the motivation to focus on quality?

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Blackbird71 wrote: »

The problem is that when you remove the development of quality content as the primary factor in the revenue stream, you remove any incentive to actually produce quality content. The end result (as has been seen in other games) is usually lackluster "expansions", and a continual production of new bugs without any significant progress in bug fixes (new or old), simply because the quality of the product no longer matters. When the cost of maintaining or improving the quality of a product is negatively disproportionate to the increase in revenue such quality would provide, specifically because there are other less resource-intensive means of producing greater revenue, what is the motivation to focus on quality?

In theory, this is correct, and there may be some interest inside of a studio to divert attention away from a game that has a successful gamble box. However, no one buys games based on how wonderful the gamble boxes are. Gamble boxes are not exactly selling points, otherwise when you visited an MMO website, it is all they would be talking about. You need to have a game, and it has to be good enough to sell. It is the hook to get players in to buy gamble boxes and it is what keeps the players around buying them.

Yes, marketing can do a lot with a cold turd, but it takes a lot less effort if that is not what you are trying to sell.

arasysb14_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Blackbird71 wrote:

The problem is that when you remove the development of quality content as the primary factor in the revenue stream, you remove any incentive to actually produce quality content. The end result (as has been seen in other games) is usually lackluster "expansions", and a continual production of new bugs without any significant progress in bug fixes (new or old), simply because the quality of the product no longer matters.

This is basically what I have been referring to with my previous posts here, decision making & silence point out to what to expect from near future content's quality.

arasysb14_ESO wrote:

At this point a lot of players are probably weighing how ZOS' overall decision making is going to impact their entertainment to see if they want to continue playing or not. MMOs require commitment, but if the game doesn't offer a good near future potential, people initially start lurking on the forums more often, then realize forums became more entertaining than the game; and finally either quit or take a break.

Just like many, Im in the same boat, but part of me also wants to see this game growing and making better use of its potential.

On the other hand; I am looking at direction of the game. With housing and costumes; devs probably considered making them part of crafting system since little additions could have made game a lot more engaging (Paul Sage was also part of Ultima Online team and just look at that game's depth of crafting). Crafters with clothing could have made costumes, or woodworking could have allowed players to make their own furniture, or other fluff stuff. It would have probably added more to immersion and game's economy.

Instead, we'll probably get another subsection on crown store menu for housing. And this is the type of decision making that killed the motivation for me.

I guess some of those who stayed here for years were somewhat okay with the buggy and imbalanced state of the game, but introduction of unethical greedy RNG boxes took things to whole another level here; that's why we have 100+ long thread. People's perception towards Zenimax's brand image probably changed as well.

Dayth

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I don't care if these crates only have cosmetic and convenience items, I really hate the idea of making someone gamble for a specific cosmetic item. Especially if they add new cosmetics that will only be available from these RNG crates.

Slurg

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Over 100 pages now and we still don't have any more information than we did before?

I'm not going to spend my money on these stupid things. I'd much rather buy things directly and if not being able to get them without buying boxes means I spend less on this game, so be it. Sadly I don't think it'll make any difference to management.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Slurg wrote: »

Over 100 pages now and we still don't have any more information than we did before?

I'm not going to spend my money on these stupid things. I'd much rather buy things directly and if not being able to get them without buying boxes means I spend less on this game, so be it. Sadly I don't think it'll make any difference to management.

They said everything they are going to say at PAX West. At least until they hit PTS.

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Dayth wrote: »

I don't care if these crates only have cosmetic and convenience items, I really hate the idea of making someone gamble for a specific cosmetic item. Especially if they add new cosmetics that will only be available from these RNG crates.

Its tough to get more reasonable than this^

Bouldercleave

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

I guess I just don't feel the same way, or really ANY way for that matter. I don't feel that I am being forced to do anything. But I also don't hold cosmetic items (that most people complain about the quality of anyway) is a "must have" category in my life.

Now if they put things in the boxes that create actual in game advantages, then I'll have an issue - but until then, I honestly and sincerely can say that I don't give a crap one way or the other about these boxes.

If you need an in game costume SO bad that you would pay real money for just the CHANCE to get it, you really have bigger problems to deal with.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I guess I just don't feel the same way, or really ANY way for that matter. I don't feel that I am being forced to do anything. But I also don't hold cosmetic items (that most people complain about the quality of anyway) is a "must have" category in my life.

Now if they put things in the boxes that create actual in game advantages, then I'll have an issue - but until then, I honestly and sincerely can say that I don't give a crap one way or the other about these boxes.

If you need an in game costume SO bad that you would pay real money for just the CHANCE to get it, you really have bigger problems to deal with.

yup.... just about sums it up.

MornaBaine

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I'll be the first to say that actual gameplay is the most important thing. But when a game with stellar graphics like ESO comes along, it is going to draw the kinds of players that also care about aesthetics. Those who want an immersive world (like many a TES fan who has spent countless hours downloading custom content for their game PRECISELY so they can get their characters to look the way they want them to) also want characters that, to them, look the part. Whether that be sexy, beautiful, fierce or downright terrifying. So costumes and cosmetics matter to these players. And why shouldn't they? Being concerned with aesthetics is no more "shameful" than being concerned with your position on the leaderboards or finding the best build for trials or PvP. There's no rules on how people should enjoy the game.

But here's the difference...
PvPers don't have to pay extra real cash for new PvP gear... or rebalacing of classes... or changes to racials... all things they ask for routinely. But if I want my character to have hair that doesn't look like it was styled with a weed whacker that'll be 20 bucks please! it is we, silly people who want more control over how our characters LOOK, that pay for more content for those who care about how the game plays. You might want to be a little nicer to us.

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Still a real shame that there going ahead with this !! cant wait to see the i got screwed over threads poping up over this!!

SantieClaws

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

MornaBaine wrote: »

I'll be the first to say that actual gameplay is the most important thing. But when a game with stellar graphics like ESO comes along, it is going to draw the kinds of players that also care about aesthetics. Those who want an immersive world (like many a TES fan who has spent countless hours downloading custom content for their game PRECISELY so they can get their characters to look the way they want them to) also want characters that, to them, look the part. Whether that be sexy, beautiful, fierce or downright terrifying. So costumes and cosmetics matter to these players. And why shouldn't they? Being concerned with aesthetics is no more "shameful" than being concerned with your position on the leaderboards or finding the best build for trials or PvP. There's no rules on how people should enjoy the game.

But here's the difference...
PvPers don't have to pay extra real cash for new PvP gear... or rebalacing of classes... or changes to racials... all things they ask for routinely. But if I want my character to have hair that doesn't look like it was styled with a weed whacker that'll be 20 bucks please! it is we, silly people who want more control over how our characters LOOK, that pay for more content for those who care about how the game plays. You might want to be a little nicer to us.

Khajiit is in agreement. The costumes, mounts and emotes. These are how we express ourselves in Tamriel. This is what many of us are here for. Yet to get experience Tamriel fully in this way then khajiit she must purchase extras. This one she hears the phrase 'just cosmetics' and that this has no effect on the 'game'.

For many travellers this is the 'game'.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Rykmaar

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Here's the bottom line folks. The poll numbers are pretty clear about what we think about this, but ZoS is going to add them anyway because money. Corporate overlords rejoice....

Lockboxes will turn this game into one built around a cash shop. They are going to put unique items in lockboxes, which forces people into PAYING if they want them. This game is going the way of Star Trek Online and others like it. What a disgrace for an IP that is revered by its fans. Shameful.

Think about this:

PvE doesn't have seasons. PvP doesn't even have seasons. But you'd better believe their cash shop has seasons.

This game needs an exodus if you want them to change anything, otherwise its business as usual.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit is in agreement. The costumes, mounts and emotes. These are how we express ourselves in Tamriel. This is what many of us are here for. Yet to get experience Tamriel fully in this way then khajiit she must purchase extras. This one she hears the phrase 'just cosmetics' and that this has no effect on the 'game'.

For many travellers this is the 'game'.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Unfortunately, you have latched onto a game where you have to pay in order to play it. This will get worse. You have the option to continue to play without Crown Crates, and likely be denied cosmetics that you would like, or gamble away your Crowns to get them from the RNG.

A sad side effect is that everything in this realm of the game is headed for the Crown Store, and the cream of that will probably be earmarked for the Crown Crates. Not sure how Khajiiti feel about cream.

They have said they are not going to do more emotes because they like personalities more. They like personalities because they can sell them easier. Emotes are better for a lot of RPG play because the player can do actions when they want. Personalities are OK, but they are not the same as emotes. Once they decide to sell emotes, I am sure we will see a few new ones, though.

The positive side to this is that I honestly believe that the variety of cosmetic options in the game exist largely due to the cash shop. The old ZOS, running the old subscription ESO, would have had a fraction of the cosmetics available in the game today.

SantieClaws

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

lordrichter wrote: »

Unfortunately, you have latched onto a game where you have to pay in order to play it. This will get worse. You have the option to continue to play without Crown Crates, and likely be denied cosmetics that you would like, or gamble away your Crowns to get them from the RNG.

A sad side effect is that everything in this realm of the game is headed for the Crown Store, and the cream of that will probably be earmarked for the Crown Crates. Not sure how Khajiiti feel about cream.

They have said they are not going to do more emotes because they like personalities more. They like personalities because they can sell them easier. Emotes are better for a lot of RPG play because the player can do actions when they want. Personalities are OK, but they are not the same as emotes. Once they decide to sell emotes, I am sure we will see a few new ones, though.

The positive side to this is that I honestly believe that the variety of cosmetic options in the game exist largely due to the cash shop. The old ZOS, running the old subscription ESO, would have had a fraction of the cosmetics available in the game today.

This one she also agrees with this - and is intrigued by the mention of the cream yes!

Khajiit she accepts the store is there and has improved the choice of clothing available but the idea of the boxes makes the hair stand up on the back of the neck. To buy a new hat is one thing. To gamble for the hat and end up with pie after pie and no hat is another.

Also boxes they make khajiit nervous. Darn you Schrodinger!

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Emmeric1964

Ugh, I support lockboxes that drop in-game. I do not support lottery boxes only available in the store. I never buy those. Waste of money.