What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Mandragora

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Kendaric wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

My bigger issue would be how the housing and furniture are implemented. THAT is going to determine if ZoS gets any more of my $$$.

I'm strong enough not to sink money into the RNG box machine, but if housing and / or furniture is behind this wall - I'll be finding another game personally.

Furniture will be, perhaps not initially but eventually it will come. The big question is... whether all furniture will be crown store only or can we craft some of it?
I fully expect ZOS to follow in EA's footsteps and basically implement crown crates in the same way as EA/BioWare has implemented their equivalent (cartel packs) in SWTOR. And that is not something to look forward to...

I was trying to find the original example of the boxes idea, because they are so sure about it, I was thinking, where they got such faith, that it will not be a failure, and truth is SWTOR is quite close to them. Was it added after the game went FtP? And what are those footsteps? I didn't play the game really. It looks like all kinds of armors are there. Honestly I never bought any of those boxes in any MMO, I just wanted some nice DLC expansion bundle with a free character slot, or something cool, but there are usually only those boxes for sale ... anything else was overpriced. So I almost never buy anything in those FtP MMOs even if I want to support them.
The more I see all kinds of such systems in MMOs, the more I can see how Turbine with LOTRO was really fair. I would still be there, if they wouldn't destroy my favourite zones with their "polishing" team.

MornaBaine

No, don't ever add these into the game.

VerboseQuips wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I'll be the first to say that actual gameplay is the most important thing. But when a game with stellar graphics like ESO comes along, it is going to draw the kinds of players that also care about aesthetics. Those who want an immersive world (like many a TES fan who has spent countless hours downloading custom content for their game PRECISELY so they can get their characters to look the way they want them to) also want characters that, to them, look the part. Whether that be sexy, beautiful, fierce or downright terrifying. So costumes and cosmetics matter to these players. And why shouldn't they? Being concerned with aesthetics is no more "shameful" than being concerned with your position on the leaderboards or finding the best build for trials or PvP. There's no rules on how people should enjoy the game.

But here's the difference...
PvPers don't have to pay extra real cash for new PvP gear... or rebalacing of classes... or changes to racials... all things they ask for routinely. But if I want my character to have hair that doesn't look like it was styled with a weed whacker that'll be 20 bucks please! it is we, silly people who want more control over how our characters LOOK, that pay for more content for those who care about how the game plays. You might want to be a little nicer to us.

Khajiit is in agreement. The costumes, mounts and emotes. These are how we express ourselves in Tamriel. This is what many of us are here for. Yet to get experience Tamriel fully in this way then khajiit she must purchase extras. This one she hears the phrase 'just cosmetics' and that this has no effect on the 'game'.

For many travellers this is the 'game'.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

I agree very much with this.

A leitmotiv of the Elder Scrolls game has been, at least since Morrowind, "Live another life, in another world". This means that the games were always designed to let us define our character with as much freedom as possible.
In ESO, cosmetics plays a big part, perhaps a leading part, in this defining of our characters. And so far I was happy to support the game by paying for additional degrees of (cosmetic) freedom in the substantiation of my characters.

The problem with these RNG boxes is that they put the weadth of freedom in creating characters behind a RNG wall. Let me rephrase it:

Our freedom in the defining of our characters, which is the crux and the very soul of the Elder Scrolls series, will now be hostage of a RNG machine.

The fact that only the cosmetic side of it is locked is irrelevant, as aesthetics is an integral and legitimate part of character creation and development.

Yes, we got you, it's not pay to win. In other words, it's not pay to play the competitive way. Now it's pay to maybe be able to play the Elder Scrolls way.
I am happy to pay to actually play the Elder Scrolls way, that is, with the broadest possible freedom in my character creation. The maybe, however, is unacceptable in my opinion.

Yep, this is exactly my feeling. I'm one of the people who find aesthetics important to my enjoyment of the game. The main reason I play this game is because it's so very beautiful. And I support the game with a sub and additional crown purchases now and again... when they actually put something I want in the darned store which is (thankfully for my wallet I guess) pretty rare. So the idea that they are supporting the game on the backs of those of us who like to "play Barbie dress up" AND treating us badly by bringing in these boxes at the same time... is beyond annoying.

karldavy149b16_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

its a joke eso wont let my guild raffle off some game time cards etc etc for eso ... because its considered "gambling" but are introdcing what can best be described as "gambling boxes"

clayandaudrey_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

its a joke eso wont let my guild raffle off some game time cards etc etc for eso ... because its considered "gambling" but are introdcing what can best be described as "gambling boxes"

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

its a joke eso wont let my guild raffle off some game time cards etc etc for eso ... because its considered "gambling" but are introdcing what can best be described as "gambling boxes"

Sure there are.

When a person buys a Crown card and raffles them off, the player gets the Crowns and ZOS gets nothing, aside from the purchase of the Crowns. What's in it for ZOS? With the Crown Crates, ZOS gets the player to buy the Crowns and ZOS gets the Crowns. Win-Win!

On a more serious level, the guild raffles that hand out Crowns are playing for virtual money that can be directly and legally purchased with cash. The Crown Crates do no offer the possibility of winning Crowns. There is a difference.

Not defending the Crown Crates, but I am against in-game Crown raffles. One exception is if the winners are selected from the entire guild roster, no purchase required. Random drawings from ticket purchases should not be happening.

clayandaudrey_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

its a joke eso wont let my guild raffle off some game time cards etc etc for eso ... because its considered "gambling" but are introdcing what can best be described as "gambling boxes"

Sure there are.

When a person buys a Crown card and raffles them off, the player gets the Crowns and ZOS gets nothing, aside from the purchase of the Crowns. What's in it for ZOS? With the Crown Crates, ZOS gets the player to buy the Crowns and ZOS gets the Crowns. Win-Win!

On a more serious level, the guild raffles that hand out Crowns are playing for virtual money that can be directly and legally purchased with cash. The Crown Crates do no offer the possibility of winning Crowns. There is a difference.

Not defending the Crown Crates, but I am against in-game Crown raffles. One exception is if the winners are selected from the entire guild roster, no purchase required. Random drawings from ticket purchases should not be happening.

Quit bringing facts into this doom and gloom thread please kindly poster.

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

its a joke eso wont let my guild raffle off some game time cards etc etc for eso ... because its considered "gambling" but are introdcing what can best be described as "gambling boxes"

Sure there are.

When a person buys a Crown card and raffles them off, the player gets the Crowns and ZOS gets nothing, aside from the purchase of the Crowns. What's in it for ZOS? With the Crown Crates, ZOS gets the player to buy the Crowns and ZOS gets the Crowns. Win-Win!

Oh, right, that pesky detail.

lordrichter wrote: »

On a more serious level, the guild raffles that hand out Crowns are playing for virtual money that can be directly and legally purchased with cash. The Crown Crates do no offer the possibility of winning Crowns. There is a difference.

Not defending the Crown Crates, but I am against in-game Crown raffles. One exception is if the winners are selected from the entire guild roster, no purchase required. Random drawings from ticket purchases should not be happening.

I get why ZOS doesn't want people shuffling crowns around in game, because it would make life even easier for goldsellers. How they would intend to enforce a policy against giving someone a physical crown card or subscription card code purchased from a brick and mortar source is another question entirely.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

starkerealm wrote: »

I get why ZOS doesn't want people shuffling crowns around in game, because it would make life even easier for goldsellers. How they would intend to enforce a policy against giving someone a physical crown card or subscription card code purchased from a brick and mortar source is another question entirely.

A question that ZOS and Bethesda don't really have to deal with, I might add. It is generally legal to do this, and anything illegal being done is outside of their scope.

ItsGlaive

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Still no further responses from ZOS? Oh well. Good luck guys.

Rykmaar

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Xabien wrote: »

Still no further responses from ZOS? Oh well. Good luck guys.

Were we really expecting one? They're going to put this in whether we like it or not. Who cares if it's scummy, preys on people's addictions, and turns ESO into STO or other similar games. ZoS sure doesn't.

Corporate overlords want money, that's what these crates are for. At this point, ESO isn't even about TES anymore, its about milking customers as much as possible as shamelessly as possible.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

These boxes have killed ESO for me - I did not login for a longer time now and it does not seem that I will login anytime soon again, if at all. This is just such a blatant move from ZOS, which is clearly not in the interest of the game or the players and is a shame for a TES game. It was a good franchise, but it is just disgusting now. This is nothing what I could support with my money and as it seems not even with my presence in the game.

Bouldercleave

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Lysette wrote: »

These boxes have killed ESO for me - I did not login for a longer time now and it does not seem that I will login anytime soon again, if at all. This is just such a blatant move from ZOS, which is clearly not in the interest of the game or the players and is a shame for a TES game. It was a good franchise, but it is just disgusting now. This is nothing what I could support with my money and as it seems not even with my presence in the game.

I'm sorry to hear that.

With or without the boxes, I'm still going to enjoy the game just fine it seems. I had just as much fun killing Molag Bal last night for the main quest on an alt as I did the first time 2 months after the game was released.

As long as I'm PERSONALLY enjoying it, I'll continue to give them my support.

The MMO world is an almost impossible customer base to make and KEEP happy. They know this I'm sure and their decisions will ultimately decide the fate of the game. Many have come before and fallen, and many more will come and fall as well.

The nice thing is there will ALWAYS be another new and great game that we can all complain and rant about just around the corner.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Rykmaar wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

Still no further responses from ZOS? Oh well. Good luck guys.

Were we really expecting one? They're going to put this in whether we like it or not. Who cares if it's scummy, preys on people's addictions, and turns ESO into STO or other similar games. ZoS sure doesn't.

Corporate overlords want money, that's what these crates are for. At this point, ESO isn't even about TES anymore, its about milking customers as much as possible as shamelessly as possible.

I question whether it is worth complaining about.

A little bird was flying from Windhelm to Riften for the winter. It was so cold the bird froze and fell to the ground into a large field. While he was lying there, a Dremora came by and dropped some poo on him. As the frozen bird lay there in the pile of Dremora poo, he began to realize how warm he was. The Demora poo was actually thawing him out! He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy. A passing Clannfear heard the bird singing and came to investigate. Following the sound, the Clannfear discovered the bird under the pile of Dremora poo, and promptly dug him out and ate him.

Moral of the story:
1. Not everyone who drops poo on you is your enemy
2. Not everyone who gets you out of that poo is your friend
3. And when you’re in deep poo poo, it’s best to keep your mouth shut!

What evil things might they have in store for us if we convince them not to do Crown Crates?

(pun intended)

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

lordrichter wrote: »

Rykmaar wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

Still no further responses from ZOS? Oh well. Good luck guys.

Were we really expecting one? They're going to put this in whether we like it or not. Who cares if it's scummy, preys on people's addictions, and turns ESO into STO or other similar games. ZoS sure doesn't.

Corporate overlords want money, that's what these crates are for. At this point, ESO isn't even about TES anymore, its about milking customers as much as possible as shamelessly as possible.

I question whether it is worth complaining about.

A little bird was flying from Windhelm to Riften for the winter. It was so cold the bird froze and fell to the ground into a large field. While he was lying there, a Dremora came by and dropped some poo on him. As the frozen bird lay there in the pile of Dremora poo, he began to realize how warm he was. The Demora poo was actually thawing him out! He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy. A passing Clannfear heard the bird singing and came to investigate. Following the sound, the Clannfear discovered the bird under the pile of Dremora poo, and promptly dug him out and ate him.

Moral of the story:
1. Not everyone who drops poo on you is your enemy
2. Not everyone who gets you out of that poo is your friend
3. And when you’re in deep poo poo, it’s best to keep your mouth shut!

What evil things might they have in store for us if we convince them not to do Crown Crates?

(pun intended)

you want to play..... you pay. let's go back to the days when you paid by the hour.

Thornen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I think its nothing but a pathetic cash grab aimed at people with a gambling problem, *** shame on you zon shame shame shame.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

you want to play..... you pay. let's go back to the days when you paid by the hour.

Maybe not by the hour, but I am a proud member of an increasingly small minority that would gladly pay a required subscription to ESO if it meant absolutely no cash shop. All costumes, pets, and mounts available in the game for gold, or as rewards for quests and achievements. Barber shop function in the game for gold, or maybe as the result of gold and a task quest in the case of the Race/Class/Alliance/Name/etc changes.

I can't say whether ESO would be better today if they had stuck with a subscription, but I can say that the thought that they would spend more and more development effort on marginal Crown Store stuff would never even enter my head.

(Edit: As it is today, I question whether I want to pay a subscription to a game that is becoming more and more interested in marginal Crown Store stuff....)

JKorr

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Rykmaar wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

Still no further responses from ZOS? Oh well. Good luck guys.

Were we really expecting one? They're going to put this in whether we like it or not. Who cares if it's scummy, preys on people's addictions, and turns ESO into STO or other similar games. ZoS sure doesn't.

Corporate overlords want money, that's what these crates are for. At this point, ESO isn't even about TES anymore, its about milking customers as much as possible as shamelessly as possible.

I question whether it is worth complaining about.

A little bird was flying from Windhelm to Riften for the winter. It was so cold the bird froze and fell to the ground into a large field. While he was lying there, a Dremora came by and dropped some poo on him. As the frozen bird lay there in the pile of Dremora poo, he began to realize how warm he was. The Demora poo was actually thawing him out! He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy. A passing Clannfear heard the bird singing and came to investigate. Following the sound, the Clannfear discovered the bird under the pile of Dremora poo, and promptly dug him out and ate him.

Moral of the story:
1. Not everyone who drops poo on you is your enemy
2. Not everyone who gets you out of that poo is your friend
3. And when you’re in deep poo poo, it’s best to keep your mouth shut!

What evil things might they have in store for us if we convince them not to do Crown Crates?

(pun intended)

you want to play..... you pay. let's go back to the days when you paid by the hour.

I would be happy if they went back to a sub, with all the stuff available in the game, whether for gold or for quest/story rewards. Instead of the Alliance Warhorse in the crown store, how about Ayrenn, Jorunn, or Emeric presenting one to you for services rendered? Do a sidequest for the royal bodyguard captain and get a nice wardog as a reward.... Trade the seventy bazillion Ta runes you have to someone in the mages guild in return for the race change....Come up with a suitable bribe to a royal scribe/archivist to change your name... All with a sub and no crown store.

EDIT:spelling

Blackbird71

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

Rykmaar wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

Still no further responses from ZOS? Oh well. Good luck guys.

Were we really expecting one? They're going to put this in whether we like it or not. Who cares if it's scummy, preys on people's addictions, and turns ESO into STO or other similar games. ZoS sure doesn't.

Corporate overlords want money, that's what these crates are for. At this point, ESO isn't even about TES anymore, its about milking customers as much as possible as shamelessly as possible.

I question whether it is worth complaining about.

A little bird was flying from Windhelm to Riften for the winter. It was so cold the bird froze and fell to the ground into a large field. While he was lying there, a Dremora came by and dropped some poo on him. As the frozen bird lay there in the pile of Dremora poo, he began to realize how warm he was. The Demora poo was actually thawing him out! He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy. A passing Clannfear heard the bird singing and came to investigate. Following the sound, the Clannfear discovered the bird under the pile of Dremora poo, and promptly dug him out and ate him.

Moral of the story:
1. Not everyone who drops poo on you is your enemy
2. Not everyone who gets you out of that poo is your friend
3. And when you’re in deep poo poo, it’s best to keep your mouth shut!

What evil things might they have in store for us if we convince them not to do Crown Crates?

(pun intended)

Congratulations, that has to be the most ridiculous argument I've seen in this thread yet (maybe on the whole of the forums).

Note to self: if I can't come up with a rational or logical argument, make up a nonsensical story that sounds vaguely like a proverb or fable and hope that someone mistakes it for wisdom!

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Blackbird71 wrote: »

Congratulations, that has to be the most ridiculous argument I've seen in this thread yet (maybe on the whole of the forums).

Note to self: if I can't come up with a rational or logical argument, make up a nonsensical story that sounds vaguely like a proverb or fable and hope that someone mistakes it for wisdom!

To elaborate would require that we enter the realm of "things @lordrichter should not say" and ZOS would not like that. I would get a note from them. As much as I like private notes from the ZOS staff, I would prefer that they not start with "we regret to inform you..."

Fill in the blanks. Think of it like a challenge. A puzzle. A quest for questionable truth. It'll be fun!

On the other hand, maybe I am just feverish and delusional. One never knows.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

lordrichter wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

you want to play..... you pay. let's go back to the days when you paid by the hour.

Maybe not by the hour, but I am a proud member of an increasingly small minority that would gladly pay a required subscription to ESO if it meant absolutely no cash shop. All costumes, pets, and mounts available in the game for gold, or as rewards for quests and achievements. Barber shop function in the game for gold, or maybe as the result of gold and a task quest in the case of the Race/Class/Alliance/Name/etc changes.

I can't say whether ESO would be better today if they had stuck with a subscription, but I can say that the thought that they would spend more and more development effort on marginal Crown Store stuff would never even enter my head.

(Edit: As it is today, I question whether I want to pay a subscription to a game that is becoming more and more interested in marginal Crown Store stuff....)

we are dealing with (possibly) two groups of people (could be more).... the ones who had this great idea for a game and the ones with the money to make it happen.

he who pays the piper and all that. the people with the money want a return on their investment. that is not just the seed money back but a profit. the bigger the profit the better. for all you people spouting about 'greedy cash grabs' and so on, get real - no one with any sense puts money into something that isn't going to pay dividends... no one.

we had the sub model at the start and that did not deliver the goods.... so then we had the cash shop... and that is not making it. so now we have....random crates - will it work? idk

but someone somewhere thinks it may.

but think about this as an alternative... pay by the hour. you get a fully functional ever expanding world to play in and you pay for it as you play.... the investors get their return and the devs have resources to develop the game.

whats the sub now... 50p a day?

charge me 50p an hour.... it's cool.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

you want to play..... you pay. let's go back to the days when you paid by the hour.

Maybe not by the hour, but I am a proud member of an increasingly small minority that would gladly pay a required subscription to ESO if it meant absolutely no cash shop. All costumes, pets, and mounts available in the game for gold, or as rewards for quests and achievements. Barber shop function in the game for gold, or maybe as the result of gold and a task quest in the case of the Race/Class/Alliance/Name/etc changes.

I can't say whether ESO would be better today if they had stuck with a subscription, but I can say that the thought that they would spend more and more development effort on marginal Crown Store stuff would never even enter my head.

(Edit: As it is today, I question whether I want to pay a subscription to a game that is becoming more and more interested in marginal Crown Store stuff....)

we are dealing with (possibly) two groups of people (could be more).... the ones who had this great idea for a game and the ones with the money to make it happen.

he who pays the piper and all that. the people with the money want a return on their investment. that is not just the seed money back but a profit. the bigger the profit the better. for all you people spouting about 'greedy cash grabs' and so on, get real - no one with any sense puts money into something that isn't going to pay dividends... no one.

we had the sub model at the start and that did not deliver the goods.... so then we had the cash shop... and that is not making it. so now we have....random crates - will it work? idk

but someone somewhere thinks it may.

but think about this as an alternative... pay by the hour. you get a fully functional ever expanding world to play in and you pay for it as you play.... the investors get their return and the devs have resources to develop the game.

whats the sub now... 50p a day?

charge me 50p an hour.... it's cool.

As an investment this game is a fail, simply because it cannot generate the revenue required to make up for the long time of development and unsuccessful running time of the game. ESO has players and subscribers, but when you look at what the production costs are and the time it had to be invested without to produce any revenue and compare that what this game could deliver in the future with a normal business investment, then it is pretty clear, that nothing will make this game into a successful investment - nothing - especially not under the management of ZOS.

It might be, that Zenimax is trying to drain at least that money out of players, which they put in and a few percent on top of it, but that move is certainly not good for the player, because ZOS will have to squeeze the wallets of players even harder to get this done, and it will as well not be good for the game, because the focus will shift to more draining methods instead of gameplay, which comes at reasonable costs. This is IMO the beginning of the end and I do not want to be a part of that.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

you want to play..... you pay. let's go back to the days when you paid by the hour.

Maybe not by the hour, but I am a proud member of an increasingly small minority that would gladly pay a required subscription to ESO if it meant absolutely no cash shop. All costumes, pets, and mounts available in the game for gold, or as rewards for quests and achievements. Barber shop function in the game for gold, or maybe as the result of gold and a task quest in the case of the Race/Class/Alliance/Name/etc changes.

I can't say whether ESO would be better today if they had stuck with a subscription, but I can say that the thought that they would spend more and more development effort on marginal Crown Store stuff would never even enter my head.

(Edit: As it is today, I question whether I want to pay a subscription to a game that is becoming more and more interested in marginal Crown Store stuff....)

we are dealing with (possibly) two groups of people (could be more).... the ones who had this great idea for a game and the ones with the money to make it happen.

he who pays the piper and all that. the people with the money want a return on their investment. that is not just the seed money back but a profit. the bigger the profit the better. for all you people spouting about 'greedy cash grabs' and so on, get real - no one with any sense puts money into something that isn't going to pay dividends... no one.

we had the sub model at the start and that did not deliver the goods.... so then we had the cash shop... and that is not making it. so now we have....random crates - will it work? idk

but someone somewhere thinks it may.

but think about this as an alternative... pay by the hour. you get a fully functional ever expanding world to play in and you pay for it as you play.... the investors get their return and the devs have resources to develop the game.

whats the sub now... 50p a day?

charge me 50p an hour.... it's cool.

As an investment this game is a fail, simply because it cannot generate the revenue required to make up for the long time of development and unsuccessful running time of the game. ESO has players and subscribers, but when you look at what the production costs are and the time it had to be invested without to produce any revenue and compare that what this game could deliver in the future with a normal business investment, then it is pretty clear, that nothing will make this game into a successful investment - nothing - especially not under the management of ZOS.

It might be, that Zenimax is trying to drain at least that money out of players, which they put in and a few percent on top of it, but that move is certainly not good for the player, because ZOS will have to squeeze the wallets of players even harder to get this done, and it will as well not be good for the game, because the focus will shift to more draining methods instead of gameplay, which comes at reasonable costs. This is IMO the beginning of the end and I do not want to be a part of that.

try the nvidia 1080 mod on f4

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

you want to play..... you pay. let's go back to the days when you paid by the hour.

Maybe not by the hour, but I am a proud member of an increasingly small minority that would gladly pay a required subscription to ESO if it meant absolutely no cash shop. All costumes, pets, and mounts available in the game for gold, or as rewards for quests and achievements. Barber shop function in the game for gold, or maybe as the result of gold and a task quest in the case of the Race/Class/Alliance/Name/etc changes.

I can't say whether ESO would be better today if they had stuck with a subscription, but I can say that the thought that they would spend more and more development effort on marginal Crown Store stuff would never even enter my head.

(Edit: As it is today, I question whether I want to pay a subscription to a game that is becoming more and more interested in marginal Crown Store stuff....)

we are dealing with (possibly) two groups of people (could be more).... the ones who had this great idea for a game and the ones with the money to make it happen.

he who pays the piper and all that. the people with the money want a return on their investment. that is not just the seed money back but a profit. the bigger the profit the better. for all you people spouting about 'greedy cash grabs' and so on, get real - no one with any sense puts money into something that isn't going to pay dividends... no one.

we had the sub model at the start and that did not deliver the goods.... so then we had the cash shop... and that is not making it. so now we have....random crates - will it work? idk

but someone somewhere thinks it may.

but think about this as an alternative... pay by the hour. you get a fully functional ever expanding world to play in and you pay for it as you play.... the investors get their return and the devs have resources to develop the game.

whats the sub now... 50p a day?

charge me 50p an hour.... it's cool.

As an investment this game is a fail, simply because it cannot generate the revenue required to make up for the long time of development and unsuccessful running time of the game. ESO has players and subscribers, but when you look at what the production costs are and the time it had to be invested without to produce any revenue and compare that what this game could deliver in the future with a normal business investment, then it is pretty clear, that nothing will make this game into a successful investment - nothing - especially not under the management of ZOS.

It might be, that Zenimax is trying to drain at least that money out of players, which they put in and a few percent on top of it, but that move is certainly not good for the player, because ZOS will have to squeeze the wallets of players even harder to get this done, and it will as well not be good for the game, because the focus will shift to more draining methods instead of gameplay, which comes at reasonable costs. This is IMO the beginning of the end and I do not want to be a part of that.

try the nvidia 1080 mod on f4

Well, it was downloaded automatically lately - but I am trying 2 new builds in Fallout 4 survival mode currently, so the new content from Nvidia is not in my focus at this time. I have done Far Harbor and Automatron, but I am still not done with Nuka World and I have not even touched the Vault Tec DLC yet. But what does this have to do with my post above?

Esquire1980g_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Gaming companies will keep doing this just as long as we let them. Cash grabs, gambling boxes, 120.00 ship packages, etc etc etc.

When we all stop playing and/or paying that will spell the end of this type of measure from AAA Studios. There are alternatives to cash shop/lockbox MMOs out there, right now.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

you want to play..... you pay. let's go back to the days when you paid by the hour.

Maybe not by the hour, but I am a proud member of an increasingly small minority that would gladly pay a required subscription to ESO if it meant absolutely no cash shop. All costumes, pets, and mounts available in the game for gold, or as rewards for quests and achievements. Barber shop function in the game for gold, or maybe as the result of gold and a task quest in the case of the Race/Class/Alliance/Name/etc changes.

I can't say whether ESO would be better today if they had stuck with a subscription, but I can say that the thought that they would spend more and more development effort on marginal Crown Store stuff would never even enter my head.

(Edit: As it is today, I question whether I want to pay a subscription to a game that is becoming more and more interested in marginal Crown Store stuff....)

we are dealing with (possibly) two groups of people (could be more).... the ones who had this great idea for a game and the ones with the money to make it happen.

he who pays the piper and all that. the people with the money want a return on their investment. that is not just the seed money back but a profit. the bigger the profit the better. for all you people spouting about 'greedy cash grabs' and so on, get real - no one with any sense puts money into something that isn't going to pay dividends... no one.

we had the sub model at the start and that did not deliver the goods.... so then we had the cash shop... and that is not making it. so now we have....random crates - will it work? idk

but someone somewhere thinks it may.

but think about this as an alternative... pay by the hour. you get a fully functional ever expanding world to play in and you pay for it as you play.... the investors get their return and the devs have resources to develop the game.

whats the sub now... 50p a day?

charge me 50p an hour.... it's cool.

As an investment this game is a fail, simply because it cannot generate the revenue required to make up for the long time of development and unsuccessful running time of the game. ESO has players and subscribers, but when you look at what the production costs are and the time it had to be invested without to produce any revenue and compare that what this game could deliver in the future with a normal business investment, then it is pretty clear, that nothing will make this game into a successful investment - nothing - especially not under the management of ZOS.

It might be, that Zenimax is trying to drain at least that money out of players, which they put in and a few percent on top of it, but that move is certainly not good for the player, because ZOS will have to squeeze the wallets of players even harder to get this done, and it will as well not be good for the game, because the focus will shift to more draining methods instead of gameplay, which comes at reasonable costs. This is IMO the beginning of the end and I do not want to be a part of that.

try the nvidia 1080 mod on f4

Well, it was downloaded automatically lately - but I am trying 2 new builds in Fallout 4 survival mode currently, so the new content from Nvidia is not in my focus at this time. I have done Far Harbor and Automatron, but I am still not done with Nuka World and I have not even touched the Vault Tec DLC yet. But what does this have to do with my post above?

nothing. about the same as your reply to my post.

but that 1080 mod is stunning

Mandragora

No, don't ever add these into the game.

The problem is that they would get their money back if they would continue with the direction their started with Wrothgar, just to be more patient. If they would continue with what was successful and keep the players happy.

But look at them - no apology for 3 days off for subs, they damaged players characters - that crafting bug with an ugly grin - still not repaired, so players can start to think, that it was intended that way, and then they added cash grab boxes without any regret for players, who will not like it. So how they can expect that this will be success? And the timing with One Tamriel only proves, that they actually know, what players would like to have in the game, but they intend to push through their will and force the players to do something they don't want. But keeping customers happy is the only way how to get their money. Why so many companies think they can spit on their customers and still have a successful game? Look at WoW - they always add what other companies took away from players and trying to get customers to their game that way - here in ESO, for them it is an insult if someone points at not working area of their game and call amateurs players with wishlist esp. those from Skyrim. I will always remember hirelings - players wanted them to help them in fight, but they said, you should have friends if you need some help, now I have heard, the whole new WoW expansion is based on NPCs helping the players. Can someone explain this to me? Why is this happening over and over and over? Every great MMO ends up this way, why?

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

we are dealing with (possibly) two groups of people (could be more).... the ones who had this great idea for a game and the ones with the money to make it happen.

This isn't about paying the piper, it's about raw, unmitigated, greed.

This is not a game that was suffering for players, as much as some idiots in youtube comment sections wanted to cry about how the game was dying. ZOS was getting their money. People were paying for the new content, maybe they were buying it, maybe they were subscribing.

So, either ZOS was seriously undercharging for their dev costs, or someone higher up the food chain got greedy. I'm inclined to think it was the latter.

VerboseQuips

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

you want to play..... you pay. let's go back to the days when you paid by the hour.

Maybe not by the hour, but I am a proud member of an increasingly small minority that would gladly pay a required subscription to ESO if it meant absolutely no cash shop. All costumes, pets, and mounts available in the game for gold, or as rewards for quests and achievements. Barber shop function in the game for gold, or maybe as the result of gold and a task quest in the case of the Race/Class/Alliance/Name/etc changes.

I can't say whether ESO would be better today if they had stuck with a subscription, but I can say that the thought that they would spend more and more development effort on marginal Crown Store stuff would never even enter my head.

(Edit: As it is today, I question whether I want to pay a subscription to a game that is becoming more and more interested in marginal Crown Store stuff....)

we are dealing with (possibly) two groups of people (could be more).... the ones who had this great idea for a game and the ones with the money to make it happen.

he who pays the piper and all that. the people with the money want a return on their investment. that is not just the seed money back but a profit. the bigger the profit the better. for all you people spouting about 'greedy cash grabs' and so on, get real - no one with any sense puts money into something that isn't going to pay dividends... no one.

we had the sub model at the start and that did not deliver the goods.... so then we had the cash shop... and that is not making it. so now we have....random crates - will it work? idk

but someone somewhere thinks it may.

but think about this as an alternative... pay by the hour. you get a fully functional ever expanding world to play in and you pay for it as you play.... the investors get their return and the devs have resources to develop the game.

whats the sub now... 50p a day?

charge me 50p an hour.... it's cool.

As an investment this game is a fail, simply because it cannot generate the revenue required to make up for the long time of development and unsuccessful running time of the game. ESO has players and subscribers, but when you look at what the production costs are and the time it had to be invested without to produce any revenue and compare that what this game could deliver in the future with a normal business investment, then it is pretty clear, that nothing will make this game into a successful investment - nothing - especially not under the management of ZOS.

It might be, that Zenimax is trying to drain at least that money out of players, which they put in and a few percent on top of it, but that move is certainly not good for the player, because ZOS will have to squeeze the wallets of players even harder to get this done, and it will as well not be good for the game, because the focus will shift to more draining methods instead of gameplay, which comes at reasonable costs. This is IMO the beginning of the end and I do not want to be a part of that.

If this is really the beginning of the end (and I hope it will not be the end), let's at least hope that the cosmetic stuff (crafting styles, recipes, new mounts and pets, costumes) that they will create for the Crown Store will provide Bethesda with more raw material to craft the next main series installment.

MornaBaine

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I just have to note that we are now at 666 votes that match mine right now. And 183 of the other "no" votes. So while it may be just a few of us diehards still yakking about this subject... over 800 people agree with us that these are a bad idea. ZOS, whether you admit to it or not, PLEASE take note.

clayandaudrey_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MornaBaine wrote: »

I just have to note that we are now at 666 votes that match mine right now. And 183 of the other "no" votes. So while it may be just a few of us diehards still yakking about this subject... over 800 people agree with us that these are a bad idea. ZOS, whether you admit to it or not, PLEASE take note.

They are taking note. They are noting that the 400 or so yes voters will spend more for crown crates than all the no voters will spend on ESO+ and crowns put together. It will be glorious.