So there's an addon that allows you to see other player's loot upon drop now...

wolfydog

Yeah I always hated this one. I remember being a noob and running dungeons and having people beg me for my drops and I'm wondering where there seeing this cause I didn't.

Even more annoying cause you outgrow the stuff so quick anyways at low levels.

Jaronking

Are people really taking the OP seriously am pretty sure this is mainly for attention that's it.This is the same person for pages who argued that training and prosperous should stay in end game loot table for trials and dungeons I say ignore the OP.Just say no to the person who tell them give me a second I might need this.Its not that big of a deal.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Jaronking wrote: »

Are people really taking the OP seriously am pretty sure this is mainly for attention that's it.This is the same person for pages who argued that training and prosperous should stay in end game loot table for trials and dungeons I say ignore the OP.Just say no to the person who tell them give me a second I might need this.Its not that big of a deal.

I thought we were all here for attention by now? Have i been doing this wrong?

LadyNalcarya

Transairion wrote: »

Asking you a simple question does not make someone a jerk. At this point it seems you are not ready to handle social interaction and it might be best that you look to a single player game where you can enjoy the luxury of privacy and not have to deal with "jerks" who are interested in getting certain items.

That's funny, given it's not public information. I'm sure it'd go over real well if I asked someone on the street what color underwear they were wearing, and then told them the correct colour/style/etc because I'm omnipotent.

If you can't see what's wrong with that situation, I can't help you. It's either public or it's not, and for ESO that information isn't public without an addon. If someone wants to ask someone about loot, they're free to do so once they've... you know, mentioned it.

Not start hammering whispers away the second it drops because Group Loot shows everyone's else loot.

It is a part of game's api, like it or not...
Your analogy appeals (again) to actual harassment and I find this utterly disgusting.

Transairion

Jaronking wrote: »

Are people really taking the OP seriously am pretty sure this is mainly for attention that's it.This is the same person for pages who argued that training and prosperous should stay in end game loot table for trials and dungeons I say ignore the OP.Just say no to the person who tell them give me a second I might need this.Its not that big of a deal.

I'm sorry if my opinion offends you so and that we're not all slaves to the "top tier" meta; thankfully I completed my Training monster set without trouble so it doesn't matter to me if they don't drop anymore. But if someone wants that stuff they should be free to get it, not just because you don't like it.

Why would I bother to waste all this time for attention? I've got better things to do with my life than repeat the same points because people "don't consider them valid enough". If we listened to the forum complaining, Daedric Summoning would be removed from the game "because it's bad" and all the people who like it would be out of luck.

We're not all the same, thank goodness for that.

It is a part of game's api, like it or not...
Your analogy appeals (again) to actual harassment and I find this utterly disgusting.

It's not publically part of the game's API, which is the whole point: ZOS could have EASILY made it a base game feature and very deliberately did not do so for a specific reason. Because it's not required.

If you're disgusted then you should wonder how I feel. It was pretty weird finding out other players can spy on me ingame because they have an addon and I don't. I can't do anything about it either apart from massively change group behavior, shame there's not tickbox.


At this point the topic is just a circle of the same few people feeding each other +1's and adding nothing to the discussion. At least pretend to add something constructive. Maybe explain why you feel the need to see other players loot in a game with personal loot, for starters, I haven't seen anything of this apart from "it's convenient".

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Transairion wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Are people really taking the OP seriously am pretty sure this is mainly for attention that's it.This is the same person for pages who argued that training and prosperous should stay in end game loot table for trials and dungeons I say ignore the OP.Just say no to the person who tell them give me a second I might need this.Its not that big of a deal.

I'm sorry if my opinion offends you so and that we're not all slaves to the "top tier" meta; thankfully I completed my Training monster set without trouble so it doesn't matter to me if they don't drop anymore. But if someone wants that stuff they should be free to get it, not just because you don't like it.

Why would I bother to waste all this time for attention? I've got better things to do with my life than repeat the same points because people "don't consider them valid enough". If we listened to the forum complaining, Daedric Summoning would be removed from the game "because it's bad" and all the people who like it would be out of luck.

We're not all the same, thank goodness for that.

You seem kinda upset when people disagree with you, when you seem so happy we are different.

LadyNalcarya

Transairion wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Are people really taking the OP seriously am pretty sure this is mainly for attention that's it.This is the same person for pages who argued that training and prosperous should stay in end game loot table for trials and dungeons I say ignore the OP.Just say no to the person who tell them give me a second I might need this.Its not that big of a deal.

I'm sorry if my opinion offends you so and that we're not all slaves to the "top tier" meta; thankfully I completed my Training monster set without trouble so it doesn't matter to me if they don't drop anymore. But if someone wants that stuff they should be free to get it, not just because you don't like it.

Why would I bother to waste all this time for attention? I've got better things to do with my life than repeat the same points because people "don't consider them valid enough". If we listened to the forum complaining, Daedric Summoning would be removed from the game "because it's bad" and all the people who like it would be out of luck.

We're not all the same, thank goodness for that.

It is a part of game's api, like it or not...
Your analogy appeals (again) to actual harassment and I find this utterly disgusting.

It's not publically part of the game's API, which is the whole point: ZOS could have EASILY made it a base game feature and very deliberately did not do so for a specific reason. Because it's not required.

If you're disgusted then you should wonder how I feel. It was pretty weird finding out other players can spy on me ingame because they have an addon and I don't. I can't do anything about it either apart from massively change group behavior, shame there's not tickbox.

I'd say youre very lucky person if whispers (just whispers, not even something rude) are a problem for you...
And yes, it is disgusting how you even compare your whispers to really awful things.
Its like claiming that you feel offended because other people can see what youre buying in supermarket.

Speaking of addons, ZOS never added many things, like advanced guild store menu or dps meters. But they allowed people to use that if they want to. Thats the point of having part of the api open for addon makers.

Transairion

You seem kinda upset when people disagree with you, when you seem so happy we are different.

If it was more constructive than "there's something wrong with you" "just go offline", then yes.

Nothing new here, as soon as you have the unpopular opinion it's just a circle of anti-posts. Pet summons, Training/Prosperous, addons lol. I've been accused of being a hipster, apparently.

I'd say youre very lucky person if whispers (just whispers, not even something rude) are a problem for you...
And yes, it is disgusting how you even compare your whispers to really awful things.
Its like claiming that you feel offended because other people can see what youre buying in supermarket.

You seem to like "putting words in my mouth" to make yourself look better, and it's getting really sad.

I've been mass whispered for loot and while annoying, it was little more. Other people have been harassed (which you keep ignoring in favor of blaming me, for some reason) because they didn't sell/give up loot, so I'm mentioning them for the sake of showing the addon enables bad behavior which few/no other addons that still exist can do.

No, shopping cart isn't comparable because it's all public for anyone and everyone (save the blind). ESO's base loot is like a giant black box instead of a shopping cart, and the addon makes all black objects see through. Big difference.

Stop pretending that ESO's loot is normally public, it isn't unless you share it. The addon bypasses the ability to share loot publically by choice.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Transairion wrote: »

You seem kinda upset when people disagree with you, when you seem so happy we are different.

If it was more constructive than "there's something wrong with you" "just go offline", then yes.

Nothing new here, as soon as you have the unpopular opinion it's just a circle of anti-posts. Pet summons, Training/Prosperous, addons lol. I've been accused of being a hipster, apparently.

I think ignore works.

Tia413

Tia413 wrote: »

And I use one of these Loot addons in this game myself, because it makes my game play a lot easier on me.
Ofc I only group up with the person whom turned me on to this game, so my use of the addon is not a big thing between the 2 of us.
I use it because it is a convenience item for me.
I have bad eye sight. So i use a Minimap addon (which allows me to resize the minimap to where I can see where I am going),and I use a Quest Tracker addon because I can see it better than the built in one.
Both of these are QoL convenience items for me.

Transairion wrote: »

Sorry if this is rude, but so what? You just admit that you only ever group up with a single player, who happens to be a personal friend of yours... so seeing their personal loot is important a feature for you to need... why exactly?

Just woke up. Now for your answer.

You picked apart my post so meticulously that you could have answered your own question yourself if you had actually read all of it, instead of just reading what you wanted to read of it.

ANSWER: read the Bold part...carefully

Tia413 wrote: »

But because of the size I have to expand my Minimap to and the Quest tracker having to both be on the Right Side of my screen it overlaps the built in Loot Drop UI. So I use a Loot addon that shows it in my chat box, So I know what is picked up without having to stop every few seconds to open my Inventory to look at what was just picked up.

Transairion wrote: »

No-one's trying to remove Lootdrop or anything, only specific addon feature/s that ONLY shows grouped loot. You're about as a minority as one can get, since you only group with a single player and thus only see a single player's loot at maximum who is already your friend and I assume would actually tell you what they got if it was somehow important.

Unless you've grossly misunderstand the topic, your loss of this addon feature would change practically nothing for your own situation as you've explained it: how is seeing the personal loot of the single player you play with somehow of benefit to you?


Meanwhile, most of the people using this addon feature are using it Trials (12 player PvE content) to see what is dropping so that they can try to trade for what they want. Or even to a lesser extent Dungeons (4 player PvE content). And the more people use it, the more misbehaving ones ruin it for the rest.

To the bold part above.... Because 9 times out of 10 the Creator's of the addon will just remove the addon or the Game Owners themselves, Zenimax in this instance, can do things to make it unusable from their side.. Meaning no one can use it anymore. With or Without the "See group loot feature". Period.
That is how it can/could end up affecting me and all the others whom do know how to use it properly.

And later on I may end up doing Dungeons or maybe not. Not sure yet. But I am not one of those who will start begging someone for what loot they got as a drop either.

I am still learning about the game and how to play it the best to help my characters. So yeah, I am still experimenting.

And Your comment about a "pity party" was uncalled for.
I didn't post what I did to get pity from anybody. I posted it to be Insightful. So people can see that some addons can/are useful to those whom live with Disabilities and how they can help them play a game such as this one, which has no help for such things built into it.

And before you ask, I use the Wykkyd Enhanced Chat.

This why we can't have good things. Old saying: "one bad apple spoils the whole bunch".

iRogue32

Transairion wrote: »

Asking you a simple question does not make someone a jerk. At this point it seems you are not ready to handle social interaction and it might be best that you look to a single player game where you can enjoy the luxury of privacy and not have to deal with "jerks" who are interested in getting certain items.

That's funny, given it's not public information. I'm sure it'd go over real well if I asked someone on the street what color underwear they were wearing, and then told them the correct colour/style/etc because I'm omnipotent.

If you can't see what's wrong with that situation, I can't help you. It's either public or it's not, and for ESO that information isn't public without an addon. If someone wants to ask someone about loot, they're free to do so once they've... you know, mentioned it.

Not start hammering whispers away the second it drops because Group Loot shows everyone's else loot.
"

That is a complete false equivalency. Of course asking a random person about their underwear is wrong. Because that is a personal question about something they own. You do not own game data. It belongs to ZOS. It is public with or without the addon. Everytime you loot something the data is sent to the clients of everyone in your group. The addon just makes it so it is visible in the UI.

luen79rwb17_ESO

I'd say the best solution is to make a menu option like "disable group loot". Check it if you don't want being spied on your loot. Problem solved.

LadyNalcarya

Transairion wrote: »

You seem kinda upset when people disagree with you, when you seem so happy we are different.

If it was more constructive than "there's something wrong with you" "just go offline", then yes.

Nothing new here, as soon as you have the unpopular opinion it's just a circle of anti-posts. Pet summons, Training/Prosperous, addons lol. I've been accused of being a hipster, apparently.

I'd say youre very lucky person if whispers (just whispers, not even something rude) are a problem for you...
And yes, it is disgusting how you even compare your whispers to really awful things.
Its like claiming that you feel offended because other people can see what youre buying in supermarket.

You seem to like "putting words in my mouth" to make yourself look better, and it's getting really sad.

I've been mass whispered for loot and while annoying, it was little more. Other people have been harassed (which you keep ignoring in favor of blaming me, for some reason) because they didn't sell/give up loot, so I'm mentioning them for the sake of showing the addon enables bad behavior which few/no other addons that still exist can do.

No, shopping cart isn't comparable because it's all public for anyone and everyone (save the blind). ESO's base loot is like a giant black box instead of a shopping cart, and the addon makes all black objects see through. Big difference.

Stop pretending that ESO's loot is normally public, it isn't unless you share it. The addon bypasses the ability to share loot publically by choice.

Yup, youre lucky to not know what harassment means.
But that doesnt give you a right to use it as an analogy. Its like comparing cancer to a broken nail.

And like iRogue32 said, the game belongs to ZOS. You can read the license agreement if you dont believe me.

Transairion

To the bold part above.... Because 9 times out of 10 the Creator's of the addon will just remove the addon or the Game Owners themselves, Zenimax in this instance, can do things to make it unusable from their side.. Meaning no one can use it anymore. With or Without the "See group loot feature". Period.
That is how it can/could end up affecting me and all the others whom do know how to use it properly.

You skipped over the part where I clarified quite clearly that only the Group Loot part is undesirable, and Zenimax wouldn't kill some of the most popular addons just to remove it. Even if they DID, the creator would edit the addon (as has happened many times in the past) so the barred part is removed and the new addon continues along bar that one feature. So the chance of actually losing addons (save that one addon that does nothing else but Group Loot) is about 0, really.

I apologies for being hurtful, but to be fair there is a massive addon community and a huge amount of people benefit from the numerous addons so needing to list your specific helpful addons is a little unnecessary. Almost all the addons are beneficial while being harmless because they can't be used against other players in any way.

That is a complete false equivalency. Of course asking a random person about their underwear is wrong. Because that is a personal question about something they own. You do not own game data. It belongs to ZOS. It is public with or without the addon. Everytime you loot something the data is sent to the clients of everyone in your group. The addon just makes it so it is visible in the UI.

Okay then, if we go that route, then why can I not enable group loot in the base game then if it's all public? Why can't I access this public data without the addon? If it's not in the base game it doesn't really seem all that public to me, whether I legally own it or not.

A colossal amount of data is used by ZOS in ESO, and not all of it is meant to be seen by the player: addons workaround this in some cases (fishing spot flags for example), but unless it can be abused I don't think they'd ever take any action.

Group Damage caused/had the potential to cause harm, putting a mark on the map where a fishing spot does not.

code65536

Jaronking wrote: »

Are people really taking the OP seriously am pretty sure this is mainly for attention that's it.This is the same person for pages who argued that training and prosperous should stay in end game loot table for trials and dungeons I say ignore the OP.Just say no to the person who tell them give me a second I might need this.Its not that big of a deal.

I thought the name seemed familiar.

Now I am truly curious: Has anyone whispered you for a Prosperous or Training drop, OP?

iRogue32

Transairion wrote: »

You seem kinda upset when people disagree with you, when you seem so happy we are different.

If it was more constructive than "there's something wrong with you" "just go offline", then yes.

Nothing new here, as soon as you have the unpopular opinion it's just a circle of anti-posts. Pet summons, Training/Prosperous, addons lol. I've been accused of being a hipster, apparently.

I'd say youre very lucky person if whispers (just whispers, not even something rude) are a problem for you...
And yes, it is disgusting how you even compare your whispers to really awful things.
Its like claiming that you feel offended because other people can see what youre buying in supermarket.

You seem to like "putting words in my mouth" to make yourself look better, and it's getting really sad.

I've been mass whispered for loot and while annoying, it was little more. Other people have been harassed (which you keep ignoring in favor of blaming me, for some reason) because they didn't sell/give up loot, so I'm mentioning them for the sake of showing the addon enables bad behavior which few/no other addons that still exist can do.

No, shopping cart isn't comparable because it's all public for anyone and everyone (save the blind). ESO's base loot is like a giant black box instead of a shopping cart, and the addon makes all black objects see through. Big difference.

Stop pretending that ESO's loot is normally public, it isn't unless you share it. The addon bypasses the ability to share loot publically by choice.

Base loot is not a giant black box. Please do some research into the official API for the game. You are making a fool of yourself. The addon isn't bypassing anything. It is using data provided by the API.

Transairion

Yup, youre lucky to not know what harassment means.
But that doesnt give you a right to use it as an analogy. Its like comparing cancer to a broken nail.

You're still ignoring the fact people, in this very topic, have said they were harassed ingame (followed, abused, etc) due to Group Loot giving out their loot info and certain scumbags going after them because of it.

I never said I was harassed, I'm speaking up for them. If you want keep assuming things you'll continue to be wrong.

I thought the name seemed familiar.

Now I am truly curious: Has anyone whispered you for a Prosperous or Training drop, OP?

Funny but no; also the amount of Prosperous/Training drops I've seen is Trials is a pathetically low number (sub 1%) so I think all the people complaining about "too many" were pulling numbers from thin air. For the record, it won't be until Update 12 that they're being removed from Trials and Impen added to everything else.

Base loot is not a giant black box. Please do some research into the official API for the game. You are making a fool of yourself. The addon isn't bypassing anything. It is using data provided by the API

If it is not, as I've already asked, please show me where in the base game I can enable group loot without using an addon. If I can't enable it in the base game, then it seems pretty private from where I'm standing.

ESO_Must_Be_F2P

see how OP ignoring uncomfortable questions to him!!
his only goal to bring attention
lets just ignore this topic

LadyNalcarya

Transairion wrote: »

You're still ignoring the fact people, in this very topic, have said they were harassed ingame (followed, abused, etc) due to Group Loot giving out their loot info and certain scumbags going after them because of it.

I never said I was harassed, I'm speaking up for them. If you want keep assuming things you'll continue to be wrong.

Quotes, pls.
Especially about people "being followed and abused". So far I saw only "would" and "could" about this kind of stuff.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Transairion wrote: »

Funny but no; also the amount of Prosperous/Training drops I've seen is Trials is a pathetically low number (sub 1%) so I think all the people complaining about "too many" were pulling numbers from thin air. For the record, it won't be until Update 12 that they're being removed from Trials and Impen added to everything else.
.

It is probably close to the amount of people who have had 'friends' harassed because of this addon.

Daveheart

Transairion wrote: »

Much was not bound before in trials.

I was under the impression Trials haven't changed much and there's always been "Bound drops" and then a mass of (usually useless) BoE drops.

This isn't that big a deal. If your running with guildies, you get a drop you don't need and they can use it why not help them. If you do not want to hell just ignore their request.

I don't think most of the people who've had problems have been running with guildies. Even if you are, or with PUGs, is there some reason why "LF X pieces" is too hard? It's not impossible and most people I run with do it... this is on PC mind you but it's an MMO, and chat is there for a reason.

All Show Other Player's Loot does is allow you to see things before group members link them, which gives you "an edge". This isn't some gamebreaking QoL feature people can't live without... it's not your loot. You don't need to see something that isn't yours yet, even if you can trade for it now. Whether or not that information is shared should be up to the player who got it.

Those "usually useless items have been some of the most expensive and sought after pieces in the game, and some of those still are, and they're still BoE. This is 100% a people issue and not all issue with the add-on. Please stop trying to create drama where there should be none.

Transairion

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Transairion wrote: »

You're still ignoring the fact people, in this very topic, have said they were harassed ingame (followed, abused, etc) due to Group Loot giving out their loot info and certain scumbags going after them because of it.

I never said I was harassed, I'm speaking up for them. If you want keep assuming things you'll continue to be wrong.

Quotes, pls.
Especially about people "being followed and abused". So far I saw only "would" and "could" about this kind of stuff.

The other night I had a pug run of Mazzatun normal as tank and after killing one of the bosses, the sorc in the grp immediately opens a trade widow and demands I give him the Amberplasm hat I just received because he needs it and I dont. I said no and cancelled the trade and he offers me some information about what he would do with my mother and then he quit the grp.
Unfortunately we had to then abandon the dungeon as we could not get a replacement due to the grouping bugs.

Quoted on page 2: albeit there was another topic posted the same day that was closed due to massive flaming/abuse between posters (shame this didn't end up any different), so there's probably more in there wherever that topic has gone to now.

Is that the norm? No, of course not, but it happens and Group Loot enables it while providing only limited benefit to the player using it. In my view it has the potential to do more harm than good.

iRogue32

Transairion wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Transairion wrote: »

You're still ignoring the fact people, in this very topic, have said they were harassed ingame (followed, abused, etc) due to Group Loot giving out their loot info and certain scumbags going after them because of it.

I never said I was harassed, I'm speaking up for them. If you want keep assuming things you'll continue to be wrong.

Quotes, pls.
Especially about people "being followed and abused". So far I saw only "would" and "could" about this kind of stuff.

The other night I had a pug run of Mazzatun normal as tank and after killing one of the bosses, the sorc in the grp immediately opens a trade widow and demands I give him the Amberplasm hat I just received because he needs it and I dont. I said no and cancelled the trade and he offers me some information about what he would do with my mother and then he quit the grp.
Unfortunately we had to then abandon the dungeon as we could not get a replacement due to the grouping bugs.

Quoted on page 2: albeit there was another topic posted the same day that was closed due to massive flaming/abuse between posters (shame this didn't end up any different), so there's probably more in there wherever that topic has gone to now.

Is that the norm? No, of course not, but it happens and Group Loot enables it while providing only limited benefit to the player using it. In my view it has the potential to do more harm than good.

OMG A PUG RUINED A DUNGEON RUN!!!! QUICK ZOS REMOVE THIS ADDON BEFORE ANYMORE HARM CAN BE DONE!!! While you're at it, could you also remove any addon that shows buffs on other players because I was "harassed" about using the wrong mundus.

LadyNalcarya

Transairion wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Transairion wrote: »

You're still ignoring the fact people, in this very topic, have said they were harassed ingame (followed, abused, etc) due to Group Loot giving out their loot info and certain scumbags going after them because of it.

I never said I was harassed, I'm speaking up for them. If you want keep assuming things you'll continue to be wrong.

Quotes, pls.
Especially about people "being followed and abused". So far I saw only "would" and "could" about this kind of stuff.

The other night I had a pug run of Mazzatun normal as tank and after killing one of the bosses, the sorc in the grp immediately opens a trade widow and demands I give him the Amberplasm hat I just received because he needs it and I dont. I said no and cancelled the trade and he offers me some information about what he would do with my mother and then he quit the grp.
Unfortunately we had to then abandon the dungeon as we could not get a replacement due to the grouping bugs.

Quoted on page 2: albeit there was another topic posted the same day that was closed due to massive flaming/abuse between posters (shame this didn't end up any different), so there's probably more in there wherever that topic has gone to now.

Is that the norm? No, of course not, but it happens and Group Loot enables it while providing only limited benefit to the player using it. In my view it has the potential to do more harm than good.

This just proves that you dont know what "harassment" and "abuse" means. Good for you, of course.
That sorc was a jerk, indeed. But these people can attack you based on anything, even if youre playing on console and cant use any addons.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

iRogue32 wrote: »

Transairion wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Transairion wrote: »

You're still ignoring the fact people, in this very topic, have said they were harassed ingame (followed, abused, etc) due to Group Loot giving out their loot info and certain scumbags going after them because of it.

I never said I was harassed, I'm speaking up for them. If you want keep assuming things you'll continue to be wrong.

Quotes, pls.
Especially about people "being followed and abused". So far I saw only "would" and "could" about this kind of stuff.

The other night I had a pug run of Mazzatun normal as tank and after killing one of the bosses, the sorc in the grp immediately opens a trade widow and demands I give him the Amberplasm hat I just received because he needs it and I dont. I said no and cancelled the trade and he offers me some information about what he would do with my mother and then he quit the grp.
Unfortunately we had to then abandon the dungeon as we could not get a replacement due to the grouping bugs.

Quoted on page 2: albeit there was another topic posted the same day that was closed due to massive flaming/abuse between posters (shame this didn't end up any different), so there's probably more in there wherever that topic has gone to now.

Is that the norm? No, of course not, but it happens and Group Loot enables it while providing only limited benefit to the player using it. In my view it has the potential to do more harm than good.

OMG A PUG RUINED A DUNGEON RUN!!!! QUICK ZOS REMOVE THIS ADDON BEFORE ANYMORE HARM CAN BE DONE!!! While you're at it, could you also remove any addon that shows buffs on other players because I was "harassed" about using the wrong mundus.

You forgot the one that shows players health. Ive seen people picked on because of that as well. The actual number not the red line.

idk

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Transairion wrote: »

It's why Group Damage went away. It's why anything like Group Damage should go away.

No. GroupDamage went away for totally different reasons. Comparison invalid.

Agree. Doesn't even compare. Besides, OP has made some huge exaggerations or is a gmuttom

Transairion wrote: »

Loot isn't a PERFORMANCE. Loot is loot, you can't influence it. That's the difference. Another big difference is that there are countless workarounds to avoid people whispering you for buying your loot (not going to repeat here what other people have explained to you form A to Z all over this thread).

Given the "workarounds" are literally:

1) Pretend you're not playing
2) Ignore everyone who talks to you
3) Hope people take "no" for an answer if they're hounding you

They're not exactly amazing and require any player having problems due to Group Loot to change their behavior in response to other people's addon. That's not exactly fair. People should stop being greedy and do what everyone else does and wait for people to offer to sell/give away, then do so. It's worked for a whole lot of Trial groups I've run, but if there's bad eggs abusing it no point keeping it.

Im not sure why you cant see this.
Even without an addon those people would still need the items, right?
Most of players are not clairvoyant, right?
So they would need to know which items youve got before they ask for them... Right?
Thats why they will need to ask you first.

And its absolutely not related to an addon.
And for God's sake, stop calling people asking for items "jerks". They might be jerks, or might be just screwed by rng, who knows.
Just asking is not rude.

I've done hundreds of Trials and literally NO-ONE has whispered me asking "what loot did you get". The only people who've whispered me for loot are those who've got Group Loot and can see the loot I've gotten dropped from a boss. What you're saying is a fabricated situation. Every group I've run with links loot (as they feel like it) in the group chat. Everyone can see the group chat, and offer via whispers happen after someone has offered to sell/bragged about/etc their item. This is not a problem. Socialization is good.

The people who are skipping the socialization and going right for "I saw you got this because I can see your loot, can I have this?" are the ones outside the norm. And it's unpleasant, yes. Is asking after you've linked something rude? No, you linked it.

Is asking someone to sell something they've only got that second rude? In my view it is. It's annoying but I'm not going to pretend to be Offline because someone MIGHT do that.

What a joke. Seriously. You expect us to believe you play with people who hound you and keep playing with you. First, is require you to tell me what you got regardless. If you don't like that take a hike. If you keep playing with people you don't like how they treat you that's your own choice and your own problem.

Lol. @Transairion your replies provide good humor for me.

Transairion

This just proves that you dont know what "harassment" and "abuse" means. Good for you, of course.
That sorc was a jerk, indeed. But these people can attack you based on anything, even if youre playing on console and cant use any addons.

For someone so bent out of shape about "harassment and abuse", you're awfully dismissive of anyone else having a hard time but yourself. Yes it's not "real life abuse", but this is a freaking game forum and full of toxic people... if this is the first time you're seeing these thrown around then I'm sorry for you, really, but you're going to have to ignore it. The amount of times Zone Chat has been full of people calling each other cancer etc is more than anyone would like but we move on.

OMG A PUG RUINED A DUNGEON RUN!!!! QUICK ZOS REMOVE THIS ADDON BEFORE ANYMORE HARM CAN BE DONE!!! While you're at it, could you also remove any addon that shows buffs on other players because I was "harassed" about using the wrong mundus.

That doesn't really work when ZOS very deliberately removed Group Damage when the complaints sprung up: I find it a little hard to believe they "didn't notice" it was using "hidden information" until then. Addons that encourage toxic behavior don't really have a leg to stand on.

What a joke. Seriously. You expect us to believe you play with people who hound you and keep playing with you. First, is require you to tell me what you got regardless. If you don't like that take a hike. If you keep playing with people you don't like how they treat you that's your own choice and your own problem.

Lol. @Transairion your replies provide good humor for me.

Um, I play with random PUGs so there's a different makeup in the Trial constantly? Why would you assume I have to get a guild to trial with, and would play with people who behave a way I don't like? They're not exactly hard to PUG anymore even at CP160.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Transairion wrote: »

That doesn't really work when ZOS very deliberately removed Group Damage when the complaints sprung up: I find it a little hard to believe they "didn't notice" it was using "hidden information" until then. Addons that encourage toxic behavior don't really have a leg to stand on.

In a normal game maybe. Listen to them sometimes, they often sound like they dont know what a lot of the skills in the game do. Them not knowing what something is doing is normal.

iRogue32

Transairion wrote: »

Um, I play with random PUGs so there's a different makeup in the Trial constantly? Why would you assume I have to get a guild to trial with, and would play with people who behave a way I don't like? They're not exactly hard to PUG anymore even at CP160.

If you play with random people you just have to deal with the consequences. They don't have to treat you fair. If you don't want people to harass you about your loot, which I'm still not convinced is a common problem, then maybe play with friends or a guild.

LadyNalcarya

Transairion wrote: »

This just proves that you dont know what "harassment" and "abuse" means. Good for you, of course.
That sorc was a jerk, indeed. But these people can attack you based on anything, even if youre playing on console and cant use any addons.

For someone so bent out of shape about "harassment and abuse", you're awfully dismissive of anyone else having a hard time but yourself. Yes it's not "real life abuse", but this is a freaking game forum and full of toxic people... if this is the first time you're seeing these thrown around then I'm sorry for you, really, but you're going to have to ignore it. The amount of times Zone Chat has been full of people calling each other cancer etc is more than anyone would like but we move on.

Umm I'm actually not the one fixated on this topic.
Seriously, you're supposedly defending people who had been "harassed ingame (followed, abused, etc)" and "standing up to them", its all nice and fancy in theory, but what facts do we have (fantasies, woulds and coulds do not count, sorry).
-You were annoyed by whispers
-A few other people also uncomfortable with whispers
-Someone was insulted by a random guy that left the group afterwards