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DeadlyRecluse

ofSunhold wrote: »

@Adenoma wrote: »

I think it was the third time that DC brought 20+ and emp to our 5-6 man that we said screw it.

I'd make a joke here that your 6-man must be just that threatening, but nah. I've seen worse numbers mismatches than that in BwB - for lumber mills. Sometimes that's just the milieu.

Nine days to 4v4v4.

Yeah, it was just a particularly zergy night. All good.

Stridig

I had a ton of fun in a different campaign tonight. Pop locked and tons of action. It may be time to try new things.

DeadlyRecluse

Stridig wrote: »

I had a ton of fun in a different campaign tonight. Pop locked and tons of action. It may be time to try new things.

We also migrated to a poplock server tonight. Good times were had.

Azurulia

Adenoma wrote: »

I think it was the third time that DC brought 20+ and emp to our 5-6 man that we said screw it.

I don't really know what to say otehr then possibly work together with the rest of your faction? It works pretty well.

If you personally don't want to do it, then don't get upset when the other faction does it to you.

A number of players on DC have started popping up that are starting to lead groups and they communicate with one another. Teamwork between groups is becoming a trend I guess?

This week campaign score speaks for itself. This is not just the result to "night capping" It was 7pm pst when this went down that Adenoma is talking about. Where DC had eyes on key keeps and snuffed out resistance as soon as it was spotted.

At present time, it is 1am PST, 3am EST. with with all 3 factions at 1 bar. This is what the map looks like:



Why is it that that the EP and AD at 1am (3am) are doing better than EP and AD did all day when supposedly everyone plays?

Did we play our defense, "too good" today? Because the dresses weren't here? (Missed you guys, btw. We've had some great fights lately.)

Whatever the reason, at present time, EP and AD are simply kicking our ass tonight; and it's been a lot of fun.

Raknosh

Adenoma wrote: »

I think it was the third time that DC brought 20+ and emp to our 5-6 man that we said screw it.

But at the same time, why would you blame a faction to defend his scrolls? And why would you assume that we know already what kind of numbers each side have there? Personally I logged on, saw Warden flagged, went there to see whats up and saw you leaving as soon as I arrived there. Why should I have ignored you? So you can farm double/triple numbers once you guys are in place, making our other keeps vulnerable? Doesn't sound good for DC if you ask me

Adenoma

@Raknosh , you weren't a problem.

Valen_Byte

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Azurulia wrote: »

Adenoma wrote: »

I think it was the third time that DC brought 20+ and emp to our 5-6 man that we said screw it.

I don't really know what to say otehr then possibly work together with the rest of your faction? It works pretty well.

If you personally don't want to do it, then don't get upset when the other faction does it to you.

A number of players on DC have started popping up that are starting to lead groups and they communicate with one another. Teamwork between groups is becoming a trend I guess?

This week campaign score speaks for itself. This is not just the result to "night capping" It was 7pm pst when this went down that Adenoma is talking about. Where DC had eyes on key keeps and snuffed out resistance as soon as it was spotted.

At present time, it is 1am PST, 3am EST. with with all 3 factions at 1 bar. This is what the map looks like:



Why is it that that the EP and AD at 1am (3am) are doing better than EP and AD did all day when supposedly everyone plays?

Did we play our defense, "too good" today? Because the dresses weren't here? (Missed you guys, btw. We've had some great fights lately.)

Whatever the reason, at present time, EP and AD are simply kicking our ass tonight; and it's been a lot of fun.

The leaders of AD often dont lead on purpose. You dont want us to be organized. Trust me on that.

Adenoma

Last time we got organized things were boring because we owned all the map.

Silky

Yeah, with ADs pop its better that they stay disorganized. I remember the days of pop locked AD with 3-4 raids running. It was boring as hell.

Adenoma

We only got pop locked because it seemed like everyone and their mother rolled AD after they were tired of getting rolled when we had 2-3 bars.

Raknosh

Adenoma wrote: »

@Raknosh , you weren't a problem.

Avoiding my questions

vamp_emily

Adenoma wrote: »

Last time we got organized things were boring because we owned all the map.

lol, just lol. AD organized is a poplock. You rage quit yesterday when the bars were 2/2/2. How do you think EP feels when you guys push for Emp and take chal and brk when they have nobody to defend. For a minute did you guys stop and say "Hey, everyone back off only 2 people try and take BRK and do not attack Chal until EP is free to defend."

Azurulia

Valen_Byte wrote: »

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Azurulia wrote: »

Adenoma wrote: »

I think it was the third time that DC brought 20+ and emp to our 5-6 man that we said screw it.

I don't really know what to say otehr then possibly work together with the rest of your faction? It works pretty well.

If you personally don't want to do it, then don't get upset when the other faction does it to you.

A number of players on DC have started popping up that are starting to lead groups and they communicate with one another. Teamwork between groups is becoming a trend I guess?

This week campaign score speaks for itself. This is not just the result to "night capping" It was 7pm pst when this went down that Adenoma is talking about. Where DC had eyes on key keeps and snuffed out resistance as soon as it was spotted.

At present time, it is 1am PST, 3am EST. with with all 3 factions at 1 bar. This is what the map looks like:



Why is it that that the EP and AD at 1am (3am) are doing better than EP and AD did all day when supposedly everyone plays?

Did we play our defense, "too good" today? Because the dresses weren't here? (Missed you guys, btw. We've had some great fights lately.)

Whatever the reason, at present time, EP and AD are simply kicking our ass tonight; and it's been a lot of fun.

The leaders of AD often dont lead on purpose. You dont want us to be organized. Trust me on that.

Sure we do. I don't mind losing against some organized opposition. This makes for some great fights.

Adenoma wrote: »

Last time we got organized things were boring because we owned all the map.

Sounds like a fun challenge to me.

Silky wrote: »

Yeah, with ADs pop its better that they stay disorganized. I remember the days of pop locked AD with 3-4 raids running. It was boring as hell.

It's only boring f you don't know what to do about it if you ask me.

Gorilla tactics vs a larger force can be a ton of fun.

vamp_emily

Azurulia wrote: »

It's only boring f you don't know what to do about it if you ask me.

Gorilla tactics vs a larger force can be a ton of fun.

I might be wrong but I don't think you were around when AD was poplocked everyday. Everybody quit, pugz almost folded. You couldn't find anyone to group with and even if you did try and take a resource you would instantly die to 20 AD. LoL at trying to flag a keep, they had guards on every keep. I went broke because of them.

I finally gave up and lived in IC for 3 months, and there was a point I almost quit the game because I didn't enjoy PvE.

Azurulia

I can imagine what it would be like. However I'm more so surprise at how anything beyond "everyone attack X" is considered advanced strategy.

Like when Gottbeard was camping DC's tri-keeps last week and dc was "stuck" there. I logged in, formed a group, and went behind everything and FD'd brindle just before people started showing up. From there, kept poking at keeps down south until DC up north gained a bit of a foothold.

This isn't some amazing in depth strategy, it;s mostly tactical play. It's something anyone can do. It just takes a bit of reading the map and using your head.

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." -Sun Tzu.

Vyle_Byte

Azurulia wrote: »

I can imagine what it would be like. However I'm more so surprise at how anything beyond "everyone attack X" is considered advanced strategy.

Like when Gottbeard was camping DC's tri-keeps last week and dc was "stuck" there. I logged in, formed a group, and went behind everything and FD'd brindle just before people started showing up. From there, kept poking at keeps down south until DC up north gained a bit of a foothold.

This isn't some amazing in depth strategy, it;s mostly tactical play. It's something anyone can do. It just takes a bit of reading the map and using your head.

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." -Sun Tzu.

I think you arent understanding. There was nothing either faction could do at the point we are speaking of. If you think that Pugz of Daggerfall and other fantastic groups didnt use tactical play, well thats just not the case. AD would overwhelm the map, the entire map and quickly. We never want to see AD in that sort of shape on bwb again, last summer was absolute hell for everyone who loved this campaign, BYTE quit running and left to do pve things for a long time so that we wouldnt contribute to the problem. As did other AD guilds. Em is right about how it killed the campaign, something we dont wish to see happen again. For any side.

Azurulia

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

Azurulia wrote: »

I can imagine what it would be like. However I'm more so surprise at how anything beyond "everyone attack X" is considered advanced strategy.

Like when Gottbeard was camping DC's tri-keeps last week and dc was "stuck" there. I logged in, formed a group, and went behind everything and FD'd brindle just before people started showing up. From there, kept poking at keeps down south until DC up north gained a bit of a foothold.

This isn't some amazing in depth strategy, it;s mostly tactical play. It's something anyone can do. It just takes a bit of reading the map and using your head.

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." -Sun Tzu.

I think you arent understanding. There was nothing either faction could do at the point we are speaking of. If you think that Pugz of Daggerfall and other fantastic groups didnt use tactical play, well thats just not the case. AD would overwhelm the map, the entire map and quickly. We never want to see AD in that sort of shape on bwb again, last summer was absolute hell for everyone who loved this campaign, BYTE quit running and left to do pve things for a long time so that we wouldnt contribute to the problem. As did other AD guilds. Em is right about how it killed the campaign, something we dont wish to see happen again. For any side.

Ah. I get what you guys mean now. Thanks for the clarification.

Stridig

PUGz never almost folded by the way. People did PvE and played different campaigns for a while.

DeadlyRecluse

There's a real taboo about over-organization in AD these days, lol.

But seriously, the yellow summer was pretty bad. So no, we aren't going to wrangle zone pugs into a comparable group. And we aren't going to encourage others to do it while we work back line stuff to let them wave over frontkeeps.


The issue isn't that we aren't doing "tactical" stuff (and honestly, if anybody--myself included thinks they have come up with a "new" strategy in an MMO that hasn't had the open world PvP structure reworked in 3 years, that's a special kind of stupid), it's that a proper faction zerg kills literally every playstyle. Either you get zero response because the faction zerg is busy elsewhere, or you get hit by 30/40/50.

Again, 1/2 my guild and most of the bytes literally quit playing because AD was doing it last summer.

But this is another example of the conversation that cycles around, what, every 50 pages or so? It doesn't matter.

vamp_emily wrote: »

Azurulia wrote: »

It's only boring f you don't know what to do about it if you ask me.

Gorilla tactics vs a larger force can be a ton of fun.

I might be wrong but I don't think you were around when AD was poplocked everyday. Everybody quit, pugz almost folded. You couldn't find anyone to group with and even if you did try and take a resource you would instantly die to 20 AD. LoL at trying to flag a keep, they had guards on every keep. I went broke because of them.

I finally gave up and lived in IC for 3 months, and there was a point I almost quit the game because I didn't enjoy PvE.

Pretty much spot on.

To clarify, I'm not complaining, just clarifying that I (and, I think, @Adenoma ) don't think anything was out of the ordinary that night. Just a little more zergy than usual, and that kinda nips fun in the bud.

EDIT: removed hyperbole and overused adjectives.

Adenoma

@DeadlyRecluse said it well. Basically, what has been happening from the DC side is that fun is nipped in the bud. And if that's the way that you guys want to play, then we can nip fun in the bud too. We're relatively experienced at doing/planning that. But honestly, I don't like doing that and don't want to escalate things along those lines because that's not what this campaign is about.

DeadlyRecluse

Adenoma wrote: »

@DeadlyRecluse said it well. Basically, what has been happening from the DC side is that fun is nipped in the bud. And if that's the way that you guys want to play, then we can nip fun in the bud too. We're relatively experienced at doing/planning that. But honestly, I don't like doing that and don't want to escalate things along those lines because that's not what this campaign is about.

Eh, I wouldn't go throwing vague threats like that around, tbh. I'm not going to go out of my way to counterzerg, I doubt anybody like @Valen_Byte is either. Like @Stridig said, there are other campaigns. Allegedly.

Adenoma

TBH, we'd just move campaigns. Like last night. I'm too lazy to change the way I play in BwB.

Azurulia

Sounds like the only way for people to "have fun" is for everybody to "not try" to actually win. If that's the case, that might explain why everyone plays at the strategic level of a potato here.

I got the strangest mail today. It made me stop and think for a moment. Someone sent me a mail titled "Leadership" asking me how do I get everyone to listen to me like I do. That it's like trying to herd free range chickens when they lead. I've also gotten a number of whispers from people I do not know asking if I plan to pvp soon or lead a group, as well as over 15 friend requests this past week.

I honestly don't know how to express, explain, or talk about this sort of thing without sounding as if I am coming off as big headed, arrogant, or bragging. When in reality, I just want to have fun. Kicking ass, getting my ass kicked, it's all the same to me if it's a good time. I like to play to win, but not at the cost of things no longer being fun.

Am I the one who's just trying too hard here? That what I'm doing is ruining everyone ele's fun leading like I do even during the day?

I'm honestly frustrated and feeling conflicted. It's hard for me to "get over myself" when people have begun to directly say that I am "the problem" with the campaign right now.

DeadlyRecluse

Azurulia wrote: »

Sounds like the only way for people to "have fun" is for everybody to "not try" to actually win. If that's the case, that might explain why everyone plays at the strategic level of a potato here.

Lol, you aren't wrong.

Azurulia wrote: »

I'm honestly frustrated and feeling conflicted. It's hard for me to "get over myself" when people have begun to directly say that I am "the problem" with the campaign right now.

You aren't. Brush of haters, play the way you like.

Valen_Byte

ipotato S6

Swaye

[snip]

AD/EP I will go out of my way, spend all my gold, spend all my ap, to help my friends emp, you''re gonna hate the next campaign:)

If I have any influence over DC and I suspect it's not a lot, I will go out of my way to make sure AD/EP are camped night and day. So we're sure about what's happening here, DC is done with NICE and FAIR

Im ok with that now.

Emily what says you ? ?

[Edit for Flaming]

Valen_Byte

nvmd lol no one cares

Gederic

Come to Trueflame. Much more fun

Stridig

Lol. I guess I have managed to anger somebody while in PvE for the last couple weeks. I guess if you need to vent, this is the place to do it.

Edit: You're welcome for all those rezzes during your last Emp push. Scrub

Vyle_Byte

Lmfao Classic.