@Lumsdenml , I'm going to 20/20 a keep as emp with ice trebs some day. That's my dream. I'll screenshot it.
Thank you for starting a new thread. I actually had to do a little work this morning due to lack of reading material.
So... previously I focused only on stamina classes (stam nb - stam dk). I heard a lot of talk about how overpowered and easy stamina was so I decided to give magicka a shot. My friend went magicka sorc and I did a magicka templar and nightblade. I'm blown away by how much better magicka classes perform in BWB and find it to be a very clear misconception that stamina classes are "overpowered" or "easy".
You can literally just stand there hitting healing ward and heavy attacks and survive any one opponent. Magicka classes restore resources far easier than stamina allowing them to stack spell damage and with 5-7pc heavy and resto staff you get something like 80% more resources per heavy attack (in addition to the fact that most magicka builds have abilities that give them resources back as well). Due to the much easier resource management you are able to use food instead of drink giving you a lot more stats too.
Since you aren't relying on stamina for your buffs and attacks you always have stamina to dodge roll or break free as long as you don't use it unwisely (like dodge rolling over and over).
I am of course only referring to the BWB campaign, I know that most CP players don't have resource issues no matter if stam or magicka.
Anyways that's my opinion. How do you guys feel about it?
So... previously I focused only on stamina classes (stam nb - stam dk). I heard a lot of talk about how overpowered and easy stamina was so I decided to give magicka a shot. My friend went magicka sorc and I did a magicka templar and nightblade. I'm blown away by how much better magicka classes perform in BWB and find it to be a very clear misconception that stamina classes are "overpowered" or "easy".
You can literally just stand there hitting healing ward and heavy attacks and survive any one opponent. Magicka classes restore resources far easier than stamina allowing them to stack spell damage and with 5-7pc heavy and resto staff you get something like 80% more resources per heavy attack (in addition to the fact that most magicka builds have abilities that give them resources back as well). Due to the much easier resource management you are able to use food instead of drink giving you a lot more stats too.
Since you aren't relying on stamina for your buffs and attacks you always have stamina to dodge roll or break free as long as you don't use it unwisely (like dodge rolling over and over).
I am of course only referring to the BWB campaign, I know that most CP players don't have resource issues no matter if stam or magicka.
Anyways that's my opinion. How do you guys feel about it?
I'm blown away by how much better magicka classes perform in BWB and find it to be a very clear misconception that stamina classes are "overpowered" or "easy".
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Anyways that's my opinion. How do you guys feel about it?
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Yeah, heavy armor is the way to go IMO.Hmmmm... I've found survivability an issue with the magica toons I've created, but found that much easier with my stam DK (which I am on about 90% of the time). I've created a magsorc that I haven't played too much, but found I can do a lot of damage with, but again, is squishy. I'm wondering if the light armor is not much of a benefit and may craft some heavy armor for him...
Yeah, heavy armor is the way to go IMO.Hmmmm... I've found survivability an issue with the magica toons I've created, but found that much easier with my stam DK (which I am on about 90% of the time). I've created a magsorc that I haven't played too much, but found I can do a lot of damage with, but again, is squishy. I'm wondering if the light armor is not much of a benefit and may craft some heavy armor for him...
I find magicka sorc to actually be one of the most tanky setups for BWB. My friend plays a magicka sorc w/ roughly 33k spell resist and 27k physical resist and the pets not only get in the way and absorb some of the hits on him, but the pet heal heals him for roughly 50% of his health (and he has around 33k health I believe).
And then there's healing ward too...
He's pretty hard to kill without 5+ ppl on him and this is without conjured ward, streak, etc.
So... previously I focused only on stamina classes (stam nb - stam dk). I heard a lot of talk about how overpowered and easy stamina was so I decided to give magicka a shot. My friend went magicka sorc and I did a magicka templar and nightblade. I'm blown away by how much better magicka classes perform in BWB and find it to be a very clear misconception that stamina classes are "overpowered" or "easy".
You can literally just stand there hitting healing ward and heavy attacks and survive any one opponent. Magicka classes restore resources far easier than stamina allowing them to stack spell damage and with 5-7pc heavy and resto staff you get something like 80% more resources per heavy attack (in addition to the fact that most magicka builds have abilities that give them resources back as well). Due to the much easier resource management you are able to use food instead of drink giving you a lot more stats too.
Since you aren't relying on stamina for your buffs and attacks you always have stamina to dodge roll or break free as long as you don't use it unwisely (like dodge rolling over and over).
I am of course only referring to the BWB campaign, I know that most CP players don't have resource issues no matter if stam or magicka.
Anyways that's my opinion. How do you guys feel about it?
Well on a magicka nb I don't need any regen really so I run food. On a stam nb it's trickier because you need some magicka recovery in order to keep relentless focus up along with fear/cloak but you also really need stam recovery so I run the blue stam/magicka recovery drink. The max hp + stam OR magicka regen one doesn't work since I need both. The gold one that gives max hp + tri regen would would but it costs too much to maintain.ColoursYouHave wrote: »So... previously I focused only on stamina classes (stam nb - stam dk). I heard a lot of talk about how overpowered and easy stamina was so I decided to give magicka a shot. My friend went magicka sorc and I did a magicka templar and nightblade. I'm blown away by how much better magicka classes perform in BWB and find it to be a very clear misconception that stamina classes are "overpowered" or "easy".
You can literally just stand there hitting healing ward and heavy attacks and survive any one opponent. Magicka classes restore resources far easier than stamina allowing them to stack spell damage and with 5-7pc heavy and resto staff you get something like 80% more resources per heavy attack (in addition to the fact that most magicka builds have abilities that give them resources back as well). Due to the much easier resource management you are able to use food instead of drink giving you a lot more stats too.
Since you aren't relying on stamina for your buffs and attacks you always have stamina to dodge roll or break free as long as you don't use it unwisely (like dodge rolling over and over).
I am of course only referring to the BWB campaign, I know that most CP players don't have resource issues no matter if stam or magicka.
Anyways that's my opinion. How do you guys feel about it?
I definitely agree with the sentiment that you shouldn't follow the "general consensus" on how good or bad a class is without trying it yourself. I made my Stamplar back when many people considered it to be among the worst classes for PVP, and even remembered being told in zone chat that it isn't even worth trying to play Stamplar. Yet I absolutely fell in love with it. It wasn't as strong as my Mag NB (I believe this was around the time when Cyrodiil was filled with proxy det AOE bomb NBs, and many people considered NBs to be overpowered), but it was pretty darn close, and by going against the grain I discovered what has become my favorite class to play.
With all the talk about how bad Mag DK is, I started playing one of those not long ago too, and while it certainly felt weaker than any other class I've played, it still felt quite a bit stronger than many people made it out to be, and is definitely a lot of fun to play.
One thing I do like about Stamina builds over Magicka in BWB is that it has an easily accessible jewelry set in Shadow Walker, where the only easily obtainable jewelry set I've been able to find for Magicka is Warlock, which caps at level 20. If anybody is aware of a Magicka based set with jewelry that is fairly easy to obtain and goes all the way up to level 50 though, I'd love to know.
Also, on the topic of using food over drink, have you tried the Orsinium food that buffs Health+Magicka regen or Stamina regen? It may be a bit unconventional, but using it allows me to get both my damage and regen pretty high at the expense of max Magicka/Stamina.
Well on a magicka nb I don't need any regen really so I run food. On a stam nb it's trickier because you need some magicka recovery in order to keep relentless focus up along with fear/cloak but you also really need stam recovery so I run the blue stam/magicka recovery drink. The max hp + stam OR magicka regen one doesn't work since I need both. The gold one that gives max hp + tri regen would would but it costs too much to maintain.ColoursYouHave wrote: »So... previously I focused only on stamina classes (stam nb - stam dk). I heard a lot of talk about how overpowered and easy stamina was so I decided to give magicka a shot. My friend went magicka sorc and I did a magicka templar and nightblade. I'm blown away by how much better magicka classes perform in BWB and find it to be a very clear misconception that stamina classes are "overpowered" or "easy".
You can literally just stand there hitting healing ward and heavy attacks and survive any one opponent. Magicka classes restore resources far easier than stamina allowing them to stack spell damage and with 5-7pc heavy and resto staff you get something like 80% more resources per heavy attack (in addition to the fact that most magicka builds have abilities that give them resources back as well). Due to the much easier resource management you are able to use food instead of drink giving you a lot more stats too.
Since you aren't relying on stamina for your buffs and attacks you always have stamina to dodge roll or break free as long as you don't use it unwisely (like dodge rolling over and over).
I am of course only referring to the BWB campaign, I know that most CP players don't have resource issues no matter if stam or magicka.
Anyways that's my opinion. How do you guys feel about it?
I definitely agree with the sentiment that you shouldn't follow the "general consensus" on how good or bad a class is without trying it yourself. I made my Stamplar back when many people considered it to be among the worst classes for PVP, and even remembered being told in zone chat that it isn't even worth trying to play Stamplar. Yet I absolutely fell in love with it. It wasn't as strong as my Mag NB (I believe this was around the time when Cyrodiil was filled with proxy det AOE bomb NBs, and many people considered NBs to be overpowered), but it was pretty darn close, and by going against the grain I discovered what has become my favorite class to play.
With all the talk about how bad Mag DK is, I started playing one of those not long ago too, and while it certainly felt weaker than any other class I've played, it still felt quite a bit stronger than many people made it out to be, and is definitely a lot of fun to play.
One thing I do like about Stamina builds over Magicka in BWB is that it has an easily accessible jewelry set in Shadow Walker, where the only easily obtainable jewelry set I've been able to find for Magicka is Warlock, which caps at level 20. If anybody is aware of a Magicka based set with jewelry that is fairly easy to obtain and goes all the way up to level 50 though, I'd love to know.
Also, on the topic of using food over drink, have you tried the Orsinium food that buffs Health+Magicka regen or Stamina regen? It may be a bit unconventional, but using it allows me to get both my damage and regen pretty high at the expense of max Magicka/Stamina.
I also get the feeling that magicka DK is far stronger than people claim it is and that will be my next project. Just from playing a stam DK and seeing both morphs, I can already envision a few strong ways to build. I bet they especially shine in small grp pvp where you can keep everyone locked down with talons inside of your standard + other aoe dps.
As far as jewelry for magicka classes goes, I actually found it easier to get the best jewelry for magicka. I'm not sure if you know about imperial city chests or not but you can buy 60 pieces to open the chests for willpower jewelry really cheap compared to the pieces needed for agility jewelry for stamina classes. It's literally about 4 times cheaper for magicka. Ofc you could always farm them yourself but who wants to do that?
I've gotten full lvl 10, 20, and 30 willpower jewelry so far w/ arcane trait by doing imperial city chests (my char is lvl 30 - will get the rest when I lvl lol).
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why do I see the name Azura's Star half cut off in this pic?
wait my bad thats your guest
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