VMA has ruined this game for me

itzeffect

i have been at it for well over a week now and on stage 9 boss fight, it is annoying but i will get it done. this journey has made me really hate playing though and has ruined my char for me... i have to take breaks every 10/15 mins doing vma to deal with ZOS *** me with *** game mechanics... i just want the 2H!... not another reason to pack up and leave this piece of BS they call a working MMO #ThisIsNotWorthIt

InfaM

itzeffect wrote: »

i have been at it for well over a week now and on stage 9 boss fight, it is annoying but i will get it done. this journey has made me really hate playing though and has ruined my char for me... i have to take breaks every 10/15 mins doing vma to deal with ZOS *** me with *** game mechanics... i just want the 2H!... not another reason to pack up and leave this piece of BS they call a working MMO #ThisIsNotWorthIt

100+ runs here, need 3 different weapons, 0 desired weapons out of those 100+ runs , when I first stepped to that place I would never expected that farming a place to optimize my characters would lead me to do 100+ runs and end up with the same crafted nirnhorned weapon I had during my first run, I'm now close to quit the game because of VMA.

Wollust

L2p issue I guess?

itzeffect

Wollust wrote: »

L2p issue I guess?

how? its not an inability to do it, i am proving that i can, it is the suffering it puts you through just to get nothing back from it

itzeffect

InfaM wrote: »

itzeffect wrote: »

i have been at it for well over a week now and on stage 9 boss fight, it is annoying but i will get it done. this journey has made me really hate playing though and has ruined my char for me... i have to take breaks every 10/15 mins doing vma to deal with ZOS *** me with *** game mechanics... i just want the 2H!... not another reason to pack up and leave this piece of BS they call a working MMO #ThisIsNotWorthIt

100+ runs here, need 3 different weapons, 0 desired weapons out of those 100+ runs , when I first stepped to that place I would never expected that farming a place to optimize my characters would lead me to do 100+ runs and end up with the same crafted nirnhorned weapon I had during my first run, I'm now close to quit the game because of VMA.

really sucks to hear man, these kinds of stories make me really sway away from ever farming it. i hope you get what you want soon and never have to do it again

Tryxus

Looks like ZOS' attempt to keep players playing the game with their RNG is having the opposite effect

kargen27

InfaM wrote: »

100+ runs here, need 3 different weapons, 0 desired weapons out of those 100+ runs , when I first stepped to that place I would never expected that farming a place to optimize my characters would lead me to do 100+ runs and end up with the same crafted nirnhorned weapon I had during my first run, I'm now close to quit the game because of VMA.

What weapons and why? Not trying to be a smart ass here, am truly curious mostly about the why. Sounds like you are doing well with the weapons at hand.

NateAssassin

Never will even attempt, I'd rather keep using my crafted staff, the fact I can 100% choose the trait and style is nice.

I'd rather not slave away grinding vMA of all places, for an ugly as *** staff, that only gives me 100 sd.

InfaM

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/265483/when-will-maelstrom-arena-reward-accomplishement-instead-of-luck-100-runs-screenshot-history/p1

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/266753/93-vmsa-runs-0-staves/p1

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/267239/on-the-rng-system-of-the-vma-weapons#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/267175/another-maelstrom-weekly-woe#latest

As you can see that issue is affecting a lot of players, all those threads are recent, and it will not gets better with next patch, on these threads there's someone who did it 300 times with no desired weapon, only to end up with a full inventory of useless weapons, at the moment VMA RNG is disgusting.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Wait, are you suggesting that you dont like a grindy and buggy single player instance in an MMO? Are you suggesting that gating BIS weapons behind such an instance coupled with the worst RNG system ever is a bad idea? Strange...

itzeffect

NateAssassin wrote: »

Never will even attempt, I'd rather keep using my crafted staff, the fact I can 100% choose the trait and style is nice.

I'd rather not slave away grinding vMA of all places, for an ugly as *** staff, that only gives me 100 sd.

its 180 and i feel you but for end of game gear crafted stuff just wont do and these weps and needed in most cases

InfaM

kargen27 wrote: »

InfaM wrote: »

100+ runs here, need 3 different weapons, 0 desired weapons out of those 100+ runs , when I first stepped to that place I would never expected that farming a place to optimize my characters would lead me to do 100+ runs and end up with the same crafted nirnhorned weapon I had during my first run, I'm now close to quit the game because of VMA.

What weapons and why? Not trying to be a smart ass here, am truly curious mostly about the why. Sounds like you are doing well with the weapons at hand.

Np , I'm after a Sharpened 2h maul or 2h axe for pvp optimization, and sharpened fire staff for pve/raid optimization

itzeffect

InfaM wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/265483/when-will-maelstrom-arena-reward-accomplishement-instead-of-luck-100-runs-screenshot-history/p1

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/266753/93-vmsa-runs-0-staves/p1

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/267239/on-the-rng-system-of-the-vma-weapons#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/267175/another-maelstrom-weekly-woe#latest

As you can see that issue is affecting a lot of players, all those threads are recent, and it will not gets better with next patch, on these threads there's someone who did it 300 times with no desired weapon, only to end up with a full inventory of useless weapons, at the moment VMA RNG is disgusting.

yeah i really just wish they would give us what we have been asking for... A *** TOKEN SYSTEM -_-

BlackguardBob

There is too much of ESO that is, imo, a relief when it is done rather than a punch-the-air and cry "YESSSSSSSSSSS!

There isn't so much of an achievement about doing difficult stuff but more of an under-whelming sigh of: "Is that it!?" with regards to the reward or benefit gained from adventuring.

In ESO, ZoS gives with the right hand and snatches back with the left.

ZoS doesn't welcome players into ESO with a helpful scenario of encouragement. It is more of a throw down the gauntlet and dare you to pick it up if you have the balls for it.

I'm still playing ESO but about an hour a day or less compared to at least 12 hours a day for almost a year.

Haquor

NateAssassin wrote: »

Never will even attempt, I'd rather keep using my crafted staff, the fact I can 100% choose the trait and style is nice.

I'd rather not slave away grinding vMA of all places, for an ugly as *** staff, that only gives me 100 sd.

Its 180 and light attacks hitting for 7k... so....

Oreyn_Bearclaw

NateAssassin wrote: »

Never will even attempt, I'd rather keep using my crafted staff, the fact I can 100% choose the trait and style is nice.

I'd rather not slave away grinding vMA of all places, for an ugly as *** staff, that only gives me 100 sd.

Maelstrom Destro in a good trait is best in slot by a mile. If that doesn't appeal to you, then you are all good. Not everyone cares about such things. Now if you are suggesting that the difference is negligible compared to a crafted staff, you are simply wrong. My tests show a Maelstrom Destro adds about 3-5k DPS depending on the encounter. That is pretty significant, and I dont think any other single item can do that.

svartorn

itzeffect wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

L2p issue I guess?

how? its not an inability to do it, i am proving that i can, it is the suffering it puts you through just to get nothing back from it

Actually, putting lots of effort into things with little to no reward is a valuable life lesson.

itzeffect

svartorn wrote: »

itzeffect wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

L2p issue I guess?

how? its not an inability to do it, i am proving that i can, it is the suffering it puts you through just to get nothing back from it

Actually, putting lots of effort into things with little to no reward is a valuable life lesson.

this is a game... i am not here to learn about life, I'm here to escape it

ShedsHisTail

I wandered into VMA for the first time this weekend.
First mob killed me in three hits. Immediately decided it was not worth the effort. lol

itzeffect

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

I wandered into VMA for the first time this weekend.
First mob killed me in three hits. Immediately decided it was not worth the effort. lol

yeah i would consider it the hardest pve thing in the game a this moment (mainly because it is solo)

kojou

While I think saying that VMA has ruined the game is a stretch, I think that VMA has made the overall end game less fun.

You have a weapon that increases overall DPS by about 5K if used correctly (Destro Staff) gated behind frustrating content and a wall of RNG that no one seems to like.

Improving the RNG in the next patch is a step in the right direction. I may actually complete it now after the patch, but the overall problem is that it is just not fun. Maybe if they let it scale to 2 players for non-leader-board-loot-only runs? I mean everything is more fun with friends right?

ShedsHisTail

itzeffect wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

I wandered into VMA for the first time this weekend.
First mob killed me in three hits. Immediately decided it was not worth the effort. lol

yeah i would consider it the hardest pve thing in the game a this moment (mainly because it is solo)

It's not that I'm afraid of trying hard things, it's just that I've seen the threads and know that the payout for my effort is not guaranteed. I'm not going to even bother with the headache if I'm more than likely not gonna get anything out of it.

I can do all kinds of -fun- stuff in this game that I don't get anything from. Definitely not gonna waste time with something that just makes me want to throw my comp out the window.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

I wandered into VMA for the first time this weekend.
First mob killed me in three hits. Immediately decided it was not worth the effort. lol

In fairness, almost everyone has that experience. I went in for the first time on a glass cannon DK and couldnt get past the first round either. This place takes a fair amount of planning and preparation if you want to be successful. On the positive side of things, no place will make you understand your class better than working through this arena on vet mode.

That being said, the place is a buggy disaster with a terrible reward system. If you dont raid or care about the title, probably not worth the bother.

itzeffect

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

While I think saying that VMA has ruined the game is a stretch, I think that VMA has made the overall end game less fun.

You have a weapon that increases overall DPS by about 5K if used correctly (Destro Staff) gated behind frustrating content and a wall of RNG that no one seems to like.

Improving the RNG in the next patch is a step in the right direction. I may actually complete it now after the patch, but the overall problem is that it is just not fun. Maybe if they let it scale to 2 players for non-leader-board-loot-only runs? I mean everything is more fun with friends right?

i would be happy with that, even giving more adds with anther player

code65536

itzeffect wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

I wandered into VMA for the first time this weekend.
First mob killed me in three hits. Immediately decided it was not worth the effort. lol

yeah i would consider it the hardest pve thing in the game a this moment (mainly because it is solo)

Wait till you try vMoL...

itzeffect

code65536 wrote: »

itzeffect wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

I wandered into VMA for the first time this weekend.
First mob killed me in three hits. Immediately decided it was not worth the effort. lol

yeah i would consider it the hardest pve thing in the game a this moment (mainly because it is solo)

Wait till you try vMoL...

never, only doing this for my wep haha

NateAssassin

itzeffect wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

Never will even attempt, I'd rather keep using my crafted staff, the fact I can 100% choose the trait and style is nice.

I'd rather not slave away grinding vMA of all places, for an ugly as *** staff, that only gives me 100 sd.

its 180 and i feel you but for end of game gear crafted stuff just wont do and these weps and needed in most cases

Lol I don't use a vMA staff and I can pull 25k dps on my magsorc lol, you don't need them at all.

itzeffect

NateAssassin wrote: »

itzeffect wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

Never will even attempt, I'd rather keep using my crafted staff, the fact I can 100% choose the trait and style is nice.

I'd rather not slave away grinding vMA of all places, for an ugly as *** staff, that only gives me 100 sd.

its 180 and i feel you but for end of game gear crafted stuff just wont do and these weps and needed in most cases

Lol I don't use a vMA staff and I can pull 25k dps on my magsorc lol, you don't need them at all.

to be amoung the top players you do, it's a fair amount extra dps, i like hitting the max stats i can

MaxwellC

We seriously need a better system for vMSA; the amount of time put into this mini game. I've done quite a few and I've only received 4 weapons that are decent the rest have been garbage I mean come on who wants a defending bow x2 defending,maul x1, defending swords and swords in general x4 don't forget the accompany the shields x4, defending dagger, defending ice staff, the list can go on...

ShedsHisTail

itzeffect wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

itzeffect wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

Never will even attempt, I'd rather keep using my crafted staff, the fact I can 100% choose the trait and style is nice.

I'd rather not slave away grinding vMA of all places, for an ugly as *** staff, that only gives me 100 sd.

its 180 and i feel you but for end of game gear crafted stuff just wont do and these weps and needed in most cases

Lol I don't use a vMA staff and I can pull 25k dps on my magsorc lol, you don't need them at all.

to be amoung the top players you do, it's a fair amount extra dps, i like hitting the max stats i can

It's when people say things like this that I'm reminded just how little so many of the complaints on these forums actually mean to me.

Like, I'm not saying that it isn't important to some people, or that there's anything wrong with that. It's just that, until you said that, I was thinking... "Yeah, the risk versus reward here just isn't worth it." then you said that and it turned into, "Do I even care about this reward?"

itzeffect

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

itzeffect wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

itzeffect wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

Never will even attempt, I'd rather keep using my crafted staff, the fact I can 100% choose the trait and style is nice.

I'd rather not slave away grinding vMA of all places, for an ugly as *** staff, that only gives me 100 sd.

its 180 and i feel you but for end of game gear crafted stuff just wont do and these weps and needed in most cases

Lol I don't use a vMA staff and I can pull 25k dps on my magsorc lol, you don't need them at all.

to be amoung the top players you do, it's a fair amount extra dps, i like hitting the max stats i can

It's when people say things like this that I'm reminded just how little so many of the complaints on these forums actually mean to me.

Like, I'm not saying that it isn't important to some people, or that there's anything wrong with that. It's just that, until you said that, I was thinking... "Yeah, the risk versus reward here just isn't worth it." then you said that and it turned into, "Do I even care about this reward?"

i get that but there a lot of people who would love these weps but just don't see the point considering the stress of vma just for a chance, it sucks