VMA has ruined this game for me

newtinmpls

itzeffect wrote: »

i have been at it for well over a week now and on stage 9 boss fight, it is annoying but i will get it done. this journey has made me really hate playing though and has ruined my char for me...

Lucky for me I haven't bothered with it.

Volkodav

It's sad when I see things like this.
I mean,is this the only reason you guys play ESO? Just for endgame gear?
No wonder you always cry"quit!".
No game will ever give you the feelings of accomplishment you want.Not even a better weapon.Not in the end.
You'll always want more than any game can give you.
(not being rude,just sayin')

ShedsHisTail

itzeffect wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

itzeffect wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

itzeffect wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

Never will even attempt, I'd rather keep using my crafted staff, the fact I can 100% choose the trait and style is nice.

I'd rather not slave away grinding vMA of all places, for an ugly as *** staff, that only gives me 100 sd.

its 180 and i feel you but for end of game gear crafted stuff just wont do and these weps and needed in most cases

Lol I don't use a vMA staff and I can pull 25k dps on my magsorc lol, you don't need them at all.

to be amoung the top players you do, it's a fair amount extra dps, i like hitting the max stats i can

It's when people say things like this that I'm reminded just how little so many of the complaints on these forums actually mean to me.

Like, I'm not saying that it isn't important to some people, or that there's anything wrong with that. It's just that, until you said that, I was thinking... "Yeah, the risk versus reward here just isn't worth it." then you said that and it turned into, "Do I even care about this reward?"

i get that but there a lot of people who would love these weps but just don't see the point considering the stress of vma just for a chance, it sucks

Yeah, totally.
I mean, if a Maelstrom Dagger dropped off of some random goblin, I'd be stoked as hell.
I'm just not ambitious enough, nor do I care enough about being "one of the top players" to actively chase the damned thing.

NateAssassin

itzeffect wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

itzeffect wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

itzeffect wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

Never will even attempt, I'd rather keep using my crafted staff, the fact I can 100% choose the trait and style is nice.

I'd rather not slave away grinding vMA of all places, for an ugly as *** staff, that only gives me 100 sd.

its 180 and i feel you but for end of game gear crafted stuff just wont do and these weps and needed in most cases

Lol I don't use a vMA staff and I can pull 25k dps on my magsorc lol, you don't need them at all.

to be amoung the top players you do, it's a fair amount extra dps, i like hitting the max stats i can

It's when people say things like this that I'm reminded just how little so many of the complaints on these forums actually mean to me.

Like, I'm not saying that it isn't important to some people, or that there's anything wrong with that. It's just that, until you said that, I was thinking... "Yeah, the risk versus reward here just isn't worth it." then you said that and it turned into, "Do I even care about this reward?"

i get that but there a lot of people who would love these weps but just don't see the point considering the stress of vma just for a chance, it sucks

Exactly, then coupled by the fact these weapons look hideous, I'd prefer to craft a choice style in a choice trait.

Wollust

itzeffect wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

L2p issue I guess?

how? its not an inability to do it, i am proving that i can, it is the suffering it puts you through just to get nothing back from it

That is exactly a l2p issue, not meant in a mean way. It is quite the suffering doing it the first few times, I agree. I am not much of a fan either, I'll still do it multiple times per week to try get the weapons I still lack at some point.
It gets better. Yes it will be frustrating not being rewarded for the effort, but it will get easier. By a lot. You'll notice.

newtinmpls

@Volkodav

Wow... beta tester and you are still here? I expect you are someone to ask about "what makes this game fun for you over the long haul"

And as an aside, BTW have you done vMA?

I haven't even done the non-vet, nor do I intend to.

itzeffect

Volkodav wrote: »

It's sad when I see things like this.
I mean,is this the only reason you guys play ESO? Just for endgame gear?
No wonder you always cry"quit!".
No game will ever give you the feelings of accomplishment you want.Not even a better weapon.Not in the end.
You'll always want more than any game can give you.
(not being rude,just sayin')

i get what you mean but its not abput being done and finishing the game, it for me is a pvp thing, i want the best i can get

itzeffect

Wollust wrote: »

itzeffect wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

L2p issue I guess?

how? its not an inability to do it, i am proving that i can, it is the suffering it puts you through just to get nothing back from it

That is exactly a l2p issue, not meant in a mean way. It is quite the suffering doing it the first few times, I agree. I am not much of a fan either, I'll still do it multiple times per week to try get the weapons I still lack at some point.
It gets better. Yes it will be frustrating not being rewarded for the effort, but it will get easier. By a lot. You'll notice.

well thanks, i will keep at it!

Volkodav

newtinmpls wrote: »

@Volkodav

Wow... beta tester and you are still here? I expect you are someone to ask about "what makes this game fun for you over the long haul"

And as an aside, BTW have you done vMA?

I haven't even done the non-vet, nor do I intend to.

Hehehe. What makes this game fun for me over the long haul? All of it,..but for the PvP,and the need to max everything,get the best gear,or be the best player with the top points,etc.I'm not into competitive playing.Like you,I have no wish to do the non-vet OR the vet MA.
I am homebound,and have tons of time to play,and I love creating new characters to try different things or races with.And I have tried to find another game that has the feel of ESO,but no luck at all.No other game has so much within it,so much life and beauty.Also,they try to keep new content coming,even though IC will never be something I run through.That's fine for me.I dont mind if they put out new content I am not into.Others will be into it.
There are things that even though I have finished the main quest many times,I find new.Things I have somehow missed.Like last night.I was in Rivenspire and found a whole new(to me) dungeon questline I hadnt done!

FortheloveofKrist

ZoS, please please please ....

When you release DB, please create another VMA-type dungeon that has a 100% chance to drop your choice of weapon and trait, and make it add 500 wd/sd. And then make the dungeon absolutely impossible to complete. I don't care how you do it. I just want to see all these entitled squeaky wheels really have something to complain about. It would make for wonderful reading while at work.

Thanks in advance, ZoS.

kargen27

Right now I don't have a character that can get through VMA. All my high level characters are either healers or tanks. I made it through regular on my healer and after the new content comes out I might respec her and see if I can get through vet. I don't really care about the weapons but would like to get as many achievements on my healer as I can.

If she can't do it I have a couple of low level nightblades coming up that look promising. I like the hard content. I just wish there was something similar to really test my healing abilities. Something like keeping some peasants alive as they swim in lava and taunt demi-gods.

Flameheart

People in my guild join a special Teamspeak 3 channel while doing VMSA to prevent harassing other guildies by the abuse of strong language.

So no, it's no fun, enough said.

Palidon

Wow one player wrote they had done VMA 100 times and still no weapon drop. That is totally pathetic. I can see doing VMA until you complete it but after that the challenge for me would be gone. ZOS should of given players another option to acquire the MA weapons besides having to continue to farm the arena's content. I for one am sick and tired of ZOS's repeatable content. For me it is no fun to do the same content over and over again.

Ch4mpTW

Palidon wrote: »

Wow one player wrote they had done VMA 100 times and still no weapon drop. That is totally pathetic. I can see doing VMA until you complete it but after that the challenge for me would be gone. ZOS should of given players another option to acquire the MA weapons besides having to continue to farm the arena's content. I for one am sick and tired of ZOS's repeatable content. For me it is no fun to do the same content over and over again.

That person may, or may not have been me. I've run VMSA over 100 times, and I've yet to have a staff of any kind appear in the final chest for me. Yes, you read that correctly. Over 100 runs, and no: Ice, inferno, lightning, or restoration staff. It's actually why I am not touching the game, until the DB DLC launch.

altemriel

bad RNG is bad ...

Johngo0036

ZOS needs to rework their RNG to be honest,

Here you have VMA, Why not give the option at the end like at the end of the fighters guild quest,
What weapon you want,
but the trait you cannot choose,

Like
staff
2H
1H
Shield
Bow

and you select one,

Also their RNG on shuffle is totally screwedup.....

nordsavage

Volkodav wrote: »

It's sad when I see things like this.
I mean,is this the only reason you guys play ESO? Just for endgame gear?
No wonder you always cry"quit!".
No game will ever give you the feelings of accomplishment you want.Not even a better weapon.Not in the end.
You'll always want more than any game can give you.
(not being rude,just sayin')

I think you mean no MMO. Plenty of games have endings or life spans that end in satisfaction.

pinkempyreal

I can understand your frustration but at the same time if it were that easy to obtain you wouldn't find it worth farming anyway. I'm getting tired of posts like this. Or the ones where they're upset because "waaaah I got the weapon but it's not the trait I want!".
I spent nearly 15 hours fishing Bangkori for ONE blue fish! It was the last one I needed for the Covenant fishing achievement. Don't want to think of the total number of hours! It sucked and was frustrating at times but it was my choice to do that rather than sometime fun in the game. Atleast your farming experience is more interactive and entertaining than that.
Take a break and go back in a few days. It seems to give you a better favor with the RNG god.

Tommy1979AtWar

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Wait, are you suggesting that you dont like a grindy and buggy single player instance in an MMO? Are you suggesting that gating BIS weapons behind such an instance coupled with the worst RNG system ever is a bad idea? Strange...

This right here ^^^ True story

Neophyte

pinkempyreal wrote: »

I can understand your frustration but at the same time if it were that easy to obtain you wouldn't find it worth farming anyway. I'm getting tired of posts like this. Or the ones where they're upset because "waaaah I got the weapon but it's not the trait I want!".
I spent nearly 15 hours fishing Bangkori for ONE blue fish! It was the last one I needed for the Covenant fishing achievement. Don't want to think of the total number of hours! It sucked and was frustrating at times but it was my choice to do that rather than sometime fun in the game. Atleast your farming experience is more interactive and entertaining than that.
Take a break and go back in a few days. It seems to give you a better favor with the RNG god.

Have you ran it over 100 times. ? People are complaining because the spend 100s of hours trying to get the BIS gear to perform at the highest level. Now I don't care about vma. Only interested in trials but this fecking hell hole of an arena won't drop me what I need. So instead of spending time where I want to be in the game I'm up against s poor RNG system and solo content which I hate.

Molag_Crow

Personally, I'd count myself as one of the lucky ones when it comes to vMSA because I only did around 10 runs for 2 Sharpened Inferno Staffs and other things like Bow, 2h Maul, sword & board (too many of these....)

Autolycus

You know what is ruining this game for me? The performance.

I can't even go into vMA anymore because guaranteed by arena 5 the game crashes or I lag so hard it causes a death or a disconnect (and every time I disconnect it resets my instance by the time I get back into the game, so I have to restart). For the record, I've beaten it multiple times and have a couple of the weapons I need, but not all.

I spent the last 3 months (since TG came out) working directly with ZOS support (over 10 different representatives), my ISP and the phone company who owns the phone lines/servers between me and ZOS's server. I ran dozens of traceroutes from people all over the country with different ISPs. All of the data I collected is solid proof that the issue is on ZOS's side.

Of course, I gave all of this information to ZOS. Whether or not they use it to make their game better, who knows? But I'm not stepping foot into vMA again until I can play this game for an hour without being forced out of it. Even trials a complete joke. Two weeks ago on PC the weekly was HRC. I took my guild through it, and we had a disconnect and 2 major lag issues before we even got to the first boss (and anyone who's done HRC knows that the first boss is a hop, skip and a jump away from the front door).

willymchilybily

I dont mind the difficulty... Its actually quite enjoyable to be able to do it, because you know it was you and only you that got you through it. You aren't being carried by a group of people, you aren't relying on others for heals or damage or to distract the adds. its purely learning the mechanics and class and applying that knowledge without a safety net. (one slip can be death on most classes except sorcs who generally require two slips to die)

What i do hate about vMA is the Lag and what it leads to. Having out of sync red circle and enemy animations. sudden deaths, moon walking. dodge rolls not dodging, blocks not blocking. that is where the frustration comes. Which is then compounded by the reward system seeming inadequate compared to the effort.

What you need is to have earned what you want in 100 runs so those that could do it from day 1 don't need to still be farming it now and others get a chance at weekly leaderboards.

haunted1994F

if vMA was not solo no one would even made a discussion in forums, a game based on team and class its just to frustrating and depressing.

InfaM

VMA ruined the game for everyone who didnt get their weapons after 80+ runs

timidobserver

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

Never will even attempt, I'd rather keep using my crafted staff, the fact I can 100% choose the trait and style is nice.

I'd rather not slave away grinding vMA of all places, for an ugly as *** staff, that only gives me 100 sd.

Maelstrom Destro in a good trait is best in slot by a mile. If that doesn't appeal to you, then you are all good. Not everyone cares about such things. Now if you are suggesting that the difference is negligible compared to a crafted staff, you are simply wrong. My tests show a Maelstrom Destro adds about 3-5k DPS depending on the encounter. That is pretty significant, and I dont think any other single item can do that.

Maelstrom 1h on a stam DK adds much more, but you are right about the staff being BIS for Magicka DPS.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

timidobserver wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

Never will even attempt, I'd rather keep using my crafted staff, the fact I can 100% choose the trait and style is nice.

I'd rather not slave away grinding vMA of all places, for an ugly as *** staff, that only gives me 100 sd.

Maelstrom Destro in a good trait is best in slot by a mile. If that doesn't appeal to you, then you are all good. Not everyone cares about such things. Now if you are suggesting that the difference is negligible compared to a crafted staff, you are simply wrong. My tests show a Maelstrom Destro adds about 3-5k DPS depending on the encounter. That is pretty significant, and I dont think any other single item can do that.

Maelstrom 1h on a stam DK adds much more, but you are right about the staff being BIS for Magicka DPS.

Oh god yes. Maelstrom Dagger and Axe seem to be designed to make Stam DK OP. It's why I leveled one last month. Stam DK is going to be in first place for PVE DPS by a mile. These weapons basically double your weapon damage on your DOTs, which make up half your damage or more. It is like Ravager on crack without the unnecessary health buffs.

The staff is just a better example because there are way more magic characters in PVE than Stam DKs. But you are right, the buff on the 1H weapons for that class is by far the most powerful.

kadar

itzeffect wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

itzeffect wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

L2p issue I guess?

how? its not an inability to do it, i am proving that i can, it is the suffering it puts you through just to get nothing back from it

That is exactly a l2p issue, not meant in a mean way. It is quite the suffering doing it the first few times, I agree. I am not much of a fan either, I'll still do it multiple times per week to try get the weapons I still lack at some point.
It gets better. Yes it will be frustrating not being rewarded for the effort, but it will get easier. By a lot. You'll notice.

well thanks, i will keep at it!

Yeah. You WILL improve if you keep at it. My first clear took 3.5 hours, next took 3. Then 2.5, ect. Now I'm doing it once a week in 1- 1.25 hours and still improving.

Be a student. Be humble. Ask for help. Be flexible, and you'll be pushing the leaderboard in no time.

I'm one of those psychopaths who likes vMA though, so what do I know.

thomas1970b16_ESO

Don't play conent you don't enjoy. It really is that simple. Don't torture yourself, it is your spare time, make sure you enjoy it.

Praeficere

itzeffect wrote: »

how? its not an inability to do it, i am proving that i can, it is the suffering it puts you through just to get nothing back from it

You haven't even finished it and you're jumping on the vMA is BS wagon.

You have to learn it before you farm it.