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Official Feedback Thread for Sorcerers
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cpuScientist✭✭✭✭✭
✭Check this out.... been fooling around on the PTS lol
Sorcs mysteriously lost all that really makes them unique...but now we got hp? rofl
But here's some kewl stuff I've done
I love sorcs and I wish they could maintain their... unique "build it your way" sort of game play and maintain viability.
but seriously I'll settle for just making CP effect pets. CP will help their dps, survivability, and are chief complaints about them. Give us at least "something" we can call our own.
That is impressive, so max Health tanks or super squishy pet builds. That's amazing though...0 -
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✭cpuScientist wrote: »Check this out.... been fooling around on the PTS lol
Sorcs mysteriously lost all that really makes them unique...but now we got hp? rofl
But here's some kewl stuff I've done
I love sorcs and I wish they could maintain their... unique "build it your way" sort of game play and maintain viability.
but seriously I'll settle for just making CP effect pets. CP will help their dps, survivability, and are chief complaints about them. Give us at least "something" we can call our own.
That is impressive, so max Health tanks or super squishy pet builds. That's amazing though...
Two weeks or so to release and hope is fizzling out that @Wrobel will be able to fix this mess. Yet again magicka sorcerers will go through one of this large patches and emerge even weaker than before.
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cpuScientist✭✭✭✭✭
✭cpuScientist wrote: »Check this out.... been fooling around on the PTS lol
Sorcs mysteriously lost all that really makes them unique...but now we got hp? rofl
But here's some kewl stuff I've done
I love sorcs and I wish they could maintain their... unique "build it your way" sort of game play and maintain viability.
but seriously I'll settle for just making CP effect pets. CP will help their dps, survivability, and are chief complaints about them. Give us at least "something" we can call our own.
That is impressive, so max Health tanks or super squishy pet builds. That's amazing though...
Two weeks or so to release and hope is fizzling out that @Wrobel will be able to fix this mess. Yet again magicka sorcerers will go through one of this large patches and emerge even weaker than before.
Oh while it is impressive it is by no means viable. My hope has been extinguished fully at this point to be honest. Gonna have to wait until.next patch, maybe they shuffle around a passive or 2 not much more than that TBH0 -
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IF YOU DON"T UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE SORCS ARE HAVING WITH SHIELD REDUCTION AND OTHER NERFS PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A POST STATING YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. Thanks ~Broken'Stick
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Why is the duration 6 seconds?
Because how long does fear last? right so u shield up. the NB gets a smirk, buffs up, fears you, u run around like and idiot lose ur shields, and he gets his combo in unmitigated. A well timed Dizzy swing and ur on the ground, ult time as soon as the shields expire. IT is basically just a way to give EVERY class their own shot at us without having to go through any mitigation. and lets not forget the dirty little secret of the transmutation set. If you are healed by a person and are wearing 7/7 impen... Sorcs CANNOT heal off you because you are immune to critical strikes. Also with everyone having shields...same issue. So sorcs cannot recover hp.
Why do I personally have an issue with the changes?
It isn't that they Changed just my shields and I'm QQing in the corner. let me try to paint a picture everyone can see.
In pvp... Every class has it's own damage mitigation techniques. NBs can stealth, shuffle, dodge. Dks Traditionally are the tankiest of builds and can mitigate damage greatly; they also get flappy wings to reflect direct damage projectiles such as crystal frags, overload, crushing shock, flame clench, and that sorta thing. Templars can out mitigate, out heal, and have insane resource management to get by, Sorcs have Streak, rune prison, soft CC, and Shields as our Damage mitigation techniques.
A broad description that isn't by any means absolute. or the entire story...but u get the idea...every class has it's own WAY of dealing with heavy damage.
So I'm playing a pet build...doing Awsome btw : https://www.twitch.tv/trixytricks/v/64395447 : And then Zos comes in and goes hey... shield duration reduced by 70%, Your pet curse now is not considered a dot and thus does not benefit from CP in thermaturge (these things are 2 major nerfs to my pets survival, my resource management, my ability to not get randomly ganked, etc) ..... okay awsome..... but they weren't finished. ALSO all shields now protect against all damage, every class can now shield stack, AND we're upping the damage of proxy. (5 pets x 25% more damage + me roughly means im going to take 20k damage from it by myself...if not more) So now all my opponents just got tougher, my dps just got lower, and they put in basically a kill switch to my pet build.
understand a little bit of my frustration here?
By no means is that all they did, nor all they will do... they gotta do something about stamina sorc now...which probably means magicka sorcs of all kinds are about to lose something.
And thats just talking about this specific build. Sorc shield tanks, CC sustain sorc builds, and others are on the chopping block too. It's a wide range of builds that are going to suffer by changing a "class defining" skill.
Why do I have problems with it in pve?
basically our BIS gear (to be remotely competitive) doesn't give HP, and our defenses are paper thin... like unshielded we get one shot thin.
So traditionally we used shields so we didn't have to lose THAT much dps by dropping lots of points into hp or jumping heavy armor or the like. Now in pve they are basically making us take off our shields..because there is no way to run molag kena (skills cost 33% more) and do a skill rotation and be spamming shields every 6 seconds. Which means we have to adapt... Maybe slotting a pet in the place of the shield would give enough hp room for templar healer to keep us up...idk but either way it's a massive change to sorcs, and it's a tough bullet to swallow to have to depend on the competency of another for survival.
Why do I feel like a wet noodle next to other classes in the dps role?
have you been in a parse with someone on the higher end of the dps spectrum. aka actually wearing bis gear? a NB or DK can easily pull 50k dps. Templar HEALERS doing their job can do 20k+ dps. Sorcs doing all their rotations, perfectly buffed, and in cookie cutter builds struggle to break 25k.
And remember the other classes shield stacking too...so if your doing the same ur cutting your dps for a no win scenerio. Dk's are now the best shield stackers with flappy wings, thorn shield (reflects 33% damage back), and the fact they can self heal and pretty much already dominated the damage mitigation scene prior to this anyway.
Our shields where donated to the other classes. my honest opinion is to ditch em, and try to go for something else. otherwise it is kinda like the vanilla days of wow...paladin vs paladin.
What else do I hate about DB changes as far as sorcs are concerned?
Currently we lack Complete originality in the area of Stamina sorcs (which use very few class skills and basically just use being a "sorc" as a utility)
And With magicka sorcs being the bottom of the barrel dps wise across the board and the fact our class "unique-ness" has been lost due to the fact everyone is now inheriting our damage mitigation techniques while retaining their own...
Get ganked by a shielded NB from stealth...because you forgot to spam your shield Every 6 seconds while walking around.
Sorcs are no longer the best shielders... DK's are. With flappy wings, thorn shield, and heavy damage mitigation...they're the new kings.
I hate that I'm having to rethink and recraft all my gear now. No longer can I depend on shields to get me through...but im lost as to what to do.
Currently I'm thinking with our shields being reduced to 6 seconds and it just not being feasible to refresh them constantly on a pet build or CC based sustain build for pvp we need to invest in tactics that Don't use shields... for that we basically need to take all points out of magicka and invest in health instead... utilizing the new buffs in heavy armor, and the +8% max hp for having a pet summoned we stack that with entrophy + 8% and we'll see a build that can actually take a hit from enemy players. The problem with this idea is where is our damage coming from, and more importantly how are we sustaining such a build? There is a pvp set that combined with 7/7 impren makes builds uncritable , and therefor we can't rely on critical surge for anything at all. As for our pet... he's 15k hp in DB and shieldless he's pretty much a one shot. But maybe there is a way to mitigate damage enough to let mutagens or something do the work for us.
For pve... shields are pointless, we;re already the lowest dps...refreshing a shield every 6 seconds is absolutely pointless. Infact it is a liability. So we're going to have to rely on healers, Slot a pet instead of a shield for the extra 8% hp (since our best in slot gear doesn't give us hp) and try to do our basic OL set up (molag kena and shield casting every 6 seconds doesn't work, some come DB you have to lose one or the other)
Now here's the thing... these 2 builds are not transferable from one area to the other... therefor I think those of us who do pvp mostly will have to Tank in the pve setting. and those of us pveing mostly will either have to hide in the Zerg and hope to not get hit in the cross fire, or go cookie cutter sorc.(cookie cutter sorc is using burst damage, 1 resto staff, 1 destro staff with trade mark abilities like crushing shock, mines, streak, and frags to destroy opponents)
Niche builds are basically being annihilated by this DB patch...and proxy counting pets as targets and scaling much higher much faster means pet builds are pretty much done in pvp. Also with our primary curse damage being deemed not a dot...our damage has been nerfed there as well since we can't invest in thermaturge to get that higher amount of damage. So yeah... think pet builds are done for now.
CC sustain builds may still be viable but we're going to need to highly consider not running shields and instead running hp instead because you can't take an even larger dps hit on a low dps build.
Anyway I think since Stamina sorcs are going to be getting some stuff, Magick sorcs need some attention to their passives and abilities as well.
We have lost our Sorc-ness, and need a new identity. Now personally I kinda like the GW2 idea with the mesmer class... Lots of pets, executes, and CC/bleed/confusion/condition effects to take down opponents. For non pet builds I like the idea of having more AOE static (this is my house) type of damage builds to combat the whole invisible/untargetable/shuffle/shielded builds that are going to be new meta. AS for passives... Anything that gives us more life and more life steal at this point.. we're totally screwed on that end without shields.
This is where the class is left. Perfectly explains it. Now do something about it.So just throwing this out there... We're supposed to spam shields constantly... how is this going to work with the poisen system?
...just throwing a little logic out here guys...but while this too doesn't effect people that instantly kill their opponents like gankers, or people that stack attacks like cookie cutter sorcs... but for pet builds, sustain builds, and anything else niche... it's going to be border line unfeasible. And this is just an example... there are stronger poisons out there.
100% agree with the above posts. I've played on and off since beta (70/30 split PVP to PVE). Time to make a Stamina NB and join over half the of the PVP population. That's if I continue to play ESO. The sheer lack of direction, multiple COMPLETE overhauls, and no character progression (Champion Points is an utter failure in my book).
Leave Sorc Ward's at 20 seconds.
Leave Harness Magicka the way it is.
DO NOT change Boneshield to absorb magicka.
Give the Mages Guild skill line a grappling hook like you did the Fighters Guild. (assaulting keeps and other structures will be soooo much fun!)
***Install a major and minor shielding system. Make Sorc ward a Major shield along with HEALING WARD (shields that can absorb both magicka and physical dmg should be Major) the other shields should be minor. ***
Revamp multiple Sorcerer skills and passives. Too many to list without the skills in front of me, but from reading through this thread you'll get the idea.
Character advancement - Make DLC with quest lines to further your class skill lines. Could do this in many ways. Add to the existing skill lines. Create more class skill trees / lines. Have a quest line that FORCES you to choose between 2 new class skill trees, you cannot have both! Do something to make uniqueness amongst the same classes. MAYBE even add a 3rd Morph to skills??
Spend major resources on improving every aspect of the overland PVP. IC will be fun for a little while come DB, but vicious death bombs will get very annoying. Your players LOVE the open world of Cyrodiil.
Sincerely,
Kastor Spiritsong - Beloved Sorcerer of few and Destroyer of many
You are going a little over board there. I doubt they will give each skill a third morph as that would mean not only considerable scripting changes but also quite a bit of redesigning of the game's UI. Besides, it is not truly necessary, two morphs per skill is definitely enough as long as those morphs are attractive and interesting.
As for improving the PvP environment, I do agree with you, unfortunately that currently seems like a hardware issue more than a scripting problem. The server housing PvP is not powerful enough to handle the rendering of the scenario + all the AoE particles and spell particles when the server is full. The amount of graphic information and the number crunching is just too much. ZoS has been trying different fixes for that, but clearly it isn't an easy to solve problem and upgrading the server, which probably would be the best alternative, is simply too expensive.
Now... About the shields. True, a shield buff system could implemented to prevent or regulate shield stacking, but it would have to be far more complex than you described. First there are two different degrees of shielding, shields provided by Skills and shields provided by Ultimates. Ultimate shields have to be more powerful.
On top of that there are three different kinds of shields, energy shields that absorb all damage, physical shields which block physical damage and magical shields that prevent magical damage. You'd need different buffs for each one of those to maintain diversity between the different shields. Now, it would be possible to make so only one of this 6 could be active at the same time and that would prevent shield stacking, but I am not sure how happy PvPers would be about such change.
My comments were feedback for the Dev's and ZoS, not you. Stop drinking their kool-aid. DLC is for content, progression, overhaul old areas, adding features, etc. This is what they are paid to do, why we give them money. Adding a UI image and possibly spell effects? That's going overboard? Seriously? Again, things aren't as difficult as ZoS and you make them out to be.
And of course Ultimate shields should be unchanged and stack with the major and minor shields. I kind of figured that would just be a given. People CRY and complain about SORC SHIELD STACKING. Its the bad Sorcs who use 3 shields anyways... So again, put Hardened Ward and Healing Ward as MAJOR shields because they absorb both damage types. Leave the others as Minor and leave the Ultimates alone. This change alone would solve half of the whining on PVP about Sorc shield stacking.
I am sorry you don't want to hear other people's opinions on what you think, but this is a discussion forum, discussion being my point. At this stage, 15 days before the release of the new DLC the best we can hope is for them change one or two useless skill and adjust some numbers, there is absolutely no chance of them overhauling the entire current system and create a third morph for every ability currently available. We are trying to give reasonable feedback to get results and save this class, the keyword being reasonable.
As for shielding, Zenimax already demonstrated that when they turn something a skill give into one of those non stacking buffs that affects all abilities, ultimates included, they will be consistent on that. If they ever follow your idea for shielding, Major shields will be for ultimates and minor shields for normal skills and item sets.
The character advancement was for future DLC and I should have said that from the beginning. (I honestly didn't think I needed to explain that). Of course that wouldn't happen in 15 days. And yes, my thoughts / ideas / opinions are reasonable. Especially the Shields. Nice talk.
You had me up to Mage guild grapnel skill. As a magicka sorc, I'd rather keep my distance. As such I'd rather see a low damage push back skill that causes a short stun so as not to be abused to death over a grapnel.GRYM.LOCKE wrote: »Suggestion:
@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel
I prefer Magicka version of Liquid Lighting But perhaps we can change the other Morph to Stamina based skill
Take away the Increased Radius and make it a Physical Skill with Damage over time with a unstable ground effect
for 10 seconds it will every 2 seconds knock down npcs and interrupt casting?
could be quite good
In keeping with the skill lines theme, wouldn't a wind based aoe dot with a knock down upon cast and/or a minor speed debuf make more sense? Not that I agree with losing the other morph, just saying.genjutsu_kami wrote: »ArvenAldmeri wrote: »gamerguy757 wrote: »OMG I got it! Change CRYSTAL BLAST MORPH TO A STAMINA MORPH. Same as Crystal Frags, but the damage is based off stamina now.
You normal? Care to get one shot in pvp?
NO he's right! give us stamina crystal frags morph! DK have alternative instant dps morph so do Templars sorcs don't!!! so just give it to us and we will shut up !
I never really liked this idea. I don't think a stam copy and paste is a good idea. I'd rather see some sort of crystal melee weapon with an appropriate secondary effect and cast time relative to said effect if warented. I'd be ok with instant cast proc-able via physical attacks much like frags on a short distance (14m maybe) javelin with a root or bleed effect, but would rather see something more unique. A crystal hammer you slam into the ground that causes a cone aoe knock back and stun, either from the hammer exploding or the ground erupting (whichever is easier to pull off) would be cool. Make its damage comparable to WB, divided by the number of targets hit, up to 3.
On a side note, if everyone is going to get hardened ward, then everyone should get scales, cloak, and rushed ceremony. Sharing is caring
Once upon a time Sorcerers had a Wind ability that pushed back, I believe. It was on early beta stages, but the ability was replaced.
I agree, if they were to replace Lightning Flood with a Stmina Morph it would have to be a DoT wind AOE, but like you I don't like the idea of giving up that morph.
As for changing Crystal Blast to a Proc similar to Crystal Fragments... I do agree with you, it would be interesting if it could be made a more unique skill instead of essentially a copy of Crystal Fragments, but we are going for expedience here, giving ZOS alternatives we can live with that won't take them 6 months to come out with because they have to design new animations, new effects, etc. Sorcerers, both Magicka and Stamina need help right now, not six months from now when they are ready to release another DLC.
Sad to see something like that got pulled. I'm assuming the push got replaced with streak.
Problem with the way things are set up now is in order to help stam builds, you're gonna break some magic builds. Tbh I only see two possible fixes for this, both of which won't be easily implemented. Option one, which would probably be the easier if the two, give every class skill a stam morph option. To balance this you need to add two new magic based weapon options. Personally I like DW wands (midrange weapon half of staves) that effect weapon/spell damage like DW swords. The other weapon line wand and focus/ward/totom (call it whatever but it's basically the magicka equivalent of a shield) that would basically work like one and and shield for stam and like wards in previous ES games. Option two is upon morphing a skill you are first asked to stamina or magicka, then two morphs that may or may not vary from the morphs you would be choosing between had you picked the other resource pool. This would also likely need additional weapon options for balancing, but may not be as necessary to come with the change initially. Then again all that is probably a pipe dream that'll never see the light of day.
That's why I like the crystal hammer I proposed, and javelin idea. All the character animations are already there. Some of the weapons and effects will need to be reskinned but the but they're there as well. I'll admit I'm clueless as how difficult it would be to combine and alter skill code for the desired effect. As such I'd take a stam frag on a temporary basis, if they said they planned to replace it in a later update and cut the range as well.
As for a spam able class dps, I'm at a loss, I don't see anything I'm willing to let go of for it. I'd adapt to whatever skill loss was chosen though I suppose. I kinda like the bound armor change I see floating around, but I fear if they added dps to it, we'd also lose some of its utility.RIP Ellania Delome
June 9, 2015-June 14, 2016
A skilled crafter, competent sorcerer, and denizen of the night
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Actually it is a vr 12 set called "necropotence"650cp+ Sorcerer 100+ days /played
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✭cpuScientist wrote: »
@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel*******************************************************************************************
IF YOU DON"T UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE SORCS ARE HAVING WITH SHIELD REDUCTION AND OTHER NERFS PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A POST STATING YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. Thanks ~Broken'Stick
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Why is the duration 6 seconds?
Because how long does fear last? right so u shield up. the NB gets a smirk, buffs up, fears you, u run around like and idiot lose ur shields, and he gets his combo in unmitigated. A well timed Dizzy swing and ur on the ground, ult time as soon as the shields expire. IT is basically just a way to give EVERY class their own shot at us without having to go through any mitigation. and lets not forget the dirty little secret of the transmutation set. If you are healed by a person and are wearing 7/7 impen... Sorcs CANNOT heal off you because you are immune to critical strikes. Also with everyone having shields...same issue. So sorcs cannot recover hp.
Why do I personally have an issue with the changes?
It isn't that they Changed just my shields and I'm QQing in the corner. let me try to paint a picture everyone can see.
In pvp... Every class has it's own damage mitigation techniques. NBs can stealth, shuffle, dodge. Dks Traditionally are the tankiest of builds and can mitigate damage greatly; they also get flappy wings to reflect direct damage projectiles such as crystal frags, overload, crushing shock, flame clench, and that sorta thing. Templars can out mitigate, out heal, and have insane resource management to get by, Sorcs have Streak, rune prison, soft CC, and Shields as our Damage mitigation techniques.
A broad description that isn't by any means absolute. or the entire story...but u get the idea...every class has it's own WAY of dealing with heavy damage.
So I'm playing a pet build...doing Awsome btw : https://www.twitch.tv/trixytricks/v/64395447 : And then Zos comes in and goes hey... shield duration reduced by 70%, Your pet curse now is not considered a dot and thus does not benefit from CP in thermaturge (these things are 2 major nerfs to my pets survival, my resource management, my ability to not get randomly ganked, etc) ..... okay awsome..... but they weren't finished. ALSO all shields now protect against all damage, every class can now shield stack, AND we're upping the damage of proxy. (5 pets x 25% more damage + me roughly means im going to take 20k damage from it by myself...if not more) So now all my opponents just got tougher, my dps just got lower, and they put in basically a kill switch to my pet build.
understand a little bit of my frustration here?
By no means is that all they did, nor all they will do... they gotta do something about stamina sorc now...which probably means magicka sorcs of all kinds are about to lose something.
And thats just talking about this specific build. Sorc shield tanks, CC sustain sorc builds, and others are on the chopping block too. It's a wide range of builds that are going to suffer by changing a "class defining" skill.
Why do I have problems with it in pve?
basically our BIS gear (to be remotely competitive) doesn't give HP, and our defenses are paper thin... like unshielded we get one shot thin. So traditionally we used shields so we didn't have to lose THAT much dps by dropping lots of points into hp or jumping heavy armor or the like. Now in pve they are basically making us take off our shields..because there is no way to run molag kena (skills cost 33% more) and do a skill rotation and be spamming shields every 6 seconds. Which means we have to adapt... Maybe slotting a pet in the place of the shield would give enough hp room for templar healer to keep us up...idk but either way it's a massive change to sorcs, and it's a tough bullet to swallow to have to depend on the competency of another for survival.
Why do I feel like a wet noodle next to other classes in the dps role?
have you been in a parse with someone on the higher end of the dps spectrum. aka actually wearing bis gear? a NB or DK can easily pull 50k dps. Templar HEALERS doing their job can do 20k+ dps. Sorcs doing all their rotations, perfectly buffed, and in cookie cutter builds struggle to break 25k.
And remember the other classes shield stacking too...so if your doing the same ur cutting your dps for a no win scenerio. Dk's are now the best shield stackers with flappy wings, thorn shield (reflects 33% damage back), and the fact they can self heal and pretty much already dominated the damage mitigation scene prior to this anyway.
Our shields where donated to the other classes. my honest opinion is to ditch em, and try to go for something else. otherwise it is kinda like the vanilla days of wow...paladin vs paladin.
What else do I hate about DB changes as far as sorcs are concerned?
Currently we lack Complete originality in the area of Stamina sorcs (which use very few class skills and basically just use being a "sorc" as a utility)
And With magicka sorcs being the bottom of the barrel dps wise across the board and the fact our class "unique-ness" has been lost due to the fact everyone is now inheriting our damage mitigation techniques while retaining their own...
Get ganked by a shielded NB from stealth...because you forgot to spam your shield Every 6 seconds while walking around.
Sorcs are no longer the best shielders... DK's are. With flappy wings, thorn shield, and heavy damage mitigation...they're the new kings.
I hate that I'm having to rethink and recraft all my gear now. No longer can I depend on shields to get me through...but im lost as to what to do.
Currently I'm thinking with our shields being reduced to 6 seconds and it just not being feasible to refresh them constantly on a pet build or CC based sustain build for pvp we need to invest in tactics that Don't use shields... for that we basically need to take all points out of magicka and invest in health instead... utilizing the new buffs in heavy armor, and the +8% max hp for having a pet summoned we stack that with entrophy + 8% and we'll see a build that can actually take a hit from enemy players. The problem with this idea is where is our damage coming from, and more importantly how are we sustaining such a build? There is a pvp set that combined with 7/7 impren makes builds uncritable , and therefor we can't rely on critical surge for anything at all. As for our pet... he's 15k hp in DB and shieldless he's pretty much a one shot. But maybe there is a way to mitigate damage enough to let mutagens or something do the work for us.
For pve... shields are pointless, we;re already the lowest dps...refreshing a shield every 6 seconds is absolutely pointless. Infact it is a liability. So we're going to have to rely on healers, Slot a pet instead of a shield for the extra 8% hp (since our best in slot gear doesn't give us hp) and try to do our basic OL set up (molag kena and shield casting every 6 seconds doesn't work, some come DB you have to lose one or the other)
Now here's the thing... these 2 builds are not transferable from one area to the other... therefor I think those of us who do pvp mostly will have to Tank in the pve setting. and those of us pveing mostly will either have to hide in the Zerg and hope to not get hit in the cross fire, or go cookie cutter sorc.(cookie cutter sorc is using burst damage, 1 resto staff, 1 destro staff with trade mark abilities like crushing shock, mines, streak, and frags to destroy opponents)
Niche builds are basically being annihilated by this DB patch...and proxy counting pets as targets and scaling much higher much faster means pet builds are pretty much done in pvp. Also with our primary curse damage being deemed not a dot...our damage has been nerfed there as well since we can't invest in thermaturge to get that higher amount of damage. So yeah... think pet builds are done for now.
CC sustain builds may still be viable but we're going to need to highly consider not running shields and instead running hp instead because you can't take an even larger dps hit on a low dps build.
Anyway I think since Stamina sorcs are going to be getting some stuff, Magick sorcs need some attention to their passives and abilities as well.
We have lost our Sorc-ness, and need a new identity. Now personally I kinda like the GW2 idea with the mesmer class... Lots of pets, executes, and CC/bleed/confusion/condition effects to take down opponents. For non pet builds I like the idea of having more AOE static (this is my house) type of damage builds to combat the whole invisible/untargetable/shuffle/shielded builds that are going to be new meta. AS for passives... Anything that gives us more life and more life steal at this point.. we're totally screwed on that end without shields.
This is where the class is left. Perfectly explains it. Now do something about it.So just throwing this out there... We're supposed to spam shields constantly... how is this going to work with the poisen system?
...just throwing a little logic out here guys...but while this too doesn't effect people that instantly kill their opponents like gankers, or people that stack attacks like cookie cutter sorcs... but for pet builds, sustain builds, and anything else niche... it's going to be border line unfeasible. And this is just an example... there are stronger poisons out there.
100% agree with the above posts. I've played on and off since beta (70/30 split PVP to PVE). Time to make a Stamina NB and join over half the of the PVP population. That's if I continue to play ESO. The sheer lack of direction, multiple COMPLETE overhauls, and no character progression (Champion Points is an utter failure in my book).
Leave Sorc Ward's at 20 seconds.
Leave Harness Magicka the way it is.
DO NOT change Boneshield to absorb magicka.
Give the Mages Guild skill line a grappling hook like you did the Fighters Guild. (assaulting keeps and other structures will be soooo much fun!)
***Install a major and minor shielding system. Make Sorc ward a Major shield along with HEALING WARD (shields that can absorb both magicka and physical dmg should be Major) the other shields should be minor. ***
Revamp multiple Sorcerer skills and passives. Too many to list without the skills in front of me, but from reading through this thread you'll get the idea.
Character advancement - Make DLC with quest lines to further your class skill lines. Could do this in many ways. Add to the existing skill lines. Create more class skill trees / lines. Have a quest line that FORCES you to choose between 2 new class skill trees, you cannot have both! Do something to make uniqueness amongst the same classes. MAYBE even add a 3rd Morph to skills??
Spend major resources on improving every aspect of the overland PVP. IC will be fun for a little while come DB, but vicious death bombs will get very annoying. Your players LOVE the open world of Cyrodiil.
Sincerely,
Kastor Spiritsong - Beloved Sorcerer of few and Destroyer of many
You are going a little over board there. I doubt they will give each skill a third morph as that would mean not only considerable scripting changes but also quite a bit of redesigning of the game's UI. Besides, it is not truly necessary, two morphs per skill is definitely enough as long as those morphs are attractive and interesting.
As for improving the PvP environment, I do agree with you, unfortunately that currently seems like a hardware issue more than a scripting problem. The server housing PvP is not powerful enough to handle the rendering of the scenario + all the AoE particles and spell particles when the server is full. The amount of graphic information and the number crunching is just too much. ZoS has been trying different fixes for that, but clearly it isn't an easy to solve problem and upgrading the server, which probably would be the best alternative, is simply too expensive.
Now... About the shields. True, a shield buff system could implemented to prevent or regulate shield stacking, but it would have to be far more complex than you described. First there are two different degrees of shielding, shields provided by Skills and shields provided by Ultimates. Ultimate shields have to be more powerful.
On top of that there are three different kinds of shields, energy shields that absorb all damage, physical shields which block physical damage and magical shields that prevent magical damage. You'd need different buffs for each one of those to maintain diversity between the different shields. Now, it would be possible to make so only one of this 6 could be active at the same time and that would prevent shield stacking, but I am not sure how happy PvPers would be about such change.
My comments were feedback for the Dev's and ZoS, not you. Stop drinking their kool-aid. DLC is for content, progression, overhaul old areas, adding features, etc. This is what they are paid to do, why we give them money. Adding a UI image and possibly spell effects? That's going overboard? Seriously? Again, things aren't as difficult as ZoS and you make them out to be.
And of course Ultimate shields should be unchanged and stack with the major and minor shields. I kind of figured that would just be a given. People CRY and complain about SORC SHIELD STACKING. Its the bad Sorcs who use 3 shields anyways... So again, put Hardened Ward and Healing Ward as MAJOR shields because they absorb both damage types. Leave the others as Minor and leave the Ultimates alone. This change alone would solve half of the whining on PVP about Sorc shield stacking.
I am sorry you don't want to hear other people's opinions on what you think, but this is a discussion forum, discussion being my point. At this stage, 15 days before the release of the new DLC the best we can hope is for them change one or two useless skill and adjust some numbers, there is absolutely no chance of them overhauling the entire current system and create a third morph for every ability currently available. We are trying to give reasonable feedback to get results and save this class, the keyword being reasonable.
As for shielding, Zenimax already demonstrated that when they turn something a skill give into one of those non stacking buffs that affects all abilities, ultimates included, they will be consistent on that. If they ever follow your idea for shielding, Major shields will be for ultimates and minor shields for normal skills and item sets.
The character advancement was for future DLC and I should have said that from the beginning. (I honestly didn't think I needed to explain that). Of course that wouldn't happen in 15 days. And yes, my thoughts / ideas / opinions are reasonable. Especially the Shields. Nice talk.
You had me up to Mage guild grapnel skill. As a magicka sorc, I'd rather keep my distance. As such I'd rather see a low damage push back skill that causes a short stun so as not to be abused to death over a grapnel.GRYM.LOCKE wrote: »Suggestion:
@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel
I prefer Magicka version of Liquid Lighting But perhaps we can change the other Morph to Stamina based skill
Take away the Increased Radius and make it a Physical Skill with Damage over time with a unstable ground effect
for 10 seconds it will every 2 seconds knock down npcs and interrupt casting?
could be quite good
In keeping with the skill lines theme, wouldn't a wind based aoe dot with a knock down upon cast and/or a minor speed debuf make more sense? Not that I agree with losing the other morph, just saying.genjutsu_kami wrote: »ArvenAldmeri wrote: »gamerguy757 wrote: »OMG I got it! Change CRYSTAL BLAST MORPH TO A STAMINA MORPH. Same as Crystal Frags, but the damage is based off stamina now.
You normal? Care to get one shot in pvp?
NO he's right! give us stamina crystal frags morph! DK have alternative instant dps morph so do Templars sorcs don't!!! so just give it to us and we will shut up !
I never really liked this idea. I don't think a stam copy and paste is a good idea. I'd rather see some sort of crystal melee weapon with an appropriate secondary effect and cast time relative to said effect if warented. I'd be ok with instant cast proc-able via physical attacks much like frags on a short distance (14m maybe) javelin with a root or bleed effect, but would rather see something more unique. A crystal hammer you slam into the ground that causes a cone aoe knock back and stun, either from the hammer exploding or the ground erupting (whichever is easier to pull off) would be cool. Make its damage comparable to WB, divided by the number of targets hit, up to 3.
On a side note, if everyone is going to get hardened ward, then everyone should get scales, cloak, and rushed ceremony. Sharing is caring
Once upon a time Sorcerers had a Wind ability that pushed back, I believe. It was on early beta stages, but the ability was replaced.
I agree, if they were to replace Lightning Flood with a Stmina Morph it would have to be a DoT wind AOE, but like you I don't like the idea of giving up that morph.
As for changing Crystal Blast to a Proc similar to Crystal Fragments... I do agree with you, it would be interesting if it could be made a more unique skill instead of essentially a copy of Crystal Fragments, but we are going for expedience here, giving ZOS alternatives we can live with that won't take them 6 months to come out with because they have to design new animations, new effects, etc. Sorcerers, both Magicka and Stamina need help right now, not six months from now when they are ready to release another DLC.
Sad to see something like that got pulled. I'm assuming the push got replaced with streak.
Problem with the way things are set up now is in order to help stam builds, you're gonna break some magic builds. Tbh I only see two possible fixes for this, both of which won't be easily implemented. Option one, which would probably be the easier if the two, give every class skill a stam morph option. To balance this you need to add two new magic based weapon options. Personally I like DW wands (midrange weapon half of staves) that effect weapon/spell damage like DW swords. The other weapon line wand and focus/ward/totom (call it whatever but it's basically the magicka equivalent of a shield) that would basically work like one and and shield for stam and like wards in previous ES games. Option two is upon morphing a skill you are first asked to stamina or magicka, then two morphs that may or may not vary from the morphs you would be choosing between had you picked the other resource pool. This would also likely need additional weapon options for balancing, but may not be as necessary to come with the change initially. Then again all that is probably a pipe dream that'll never see the light of day.
That's why I like the crystal hammer I proposed, and javelin idea. All the character animations are already there. Some of the weapons and effects will need to be reskinned but the but they're there as well. I'll admit I'm clueless as how difficult it would be to combine and alter skill code for the desired effect. As such I'd take a stam frag on a temporary basis, if they said they planned to replace it in a later update and cut the range as well.
As for a spam able class dps, I'm at a loss, I don't see anything I'm willing to let go of for it. I'd adapt to whatever skill loss was chosen though I suppose. I kinda like the bound armor change I see floating around, but I fear if they added dps to it, we'd also lose some of its utility.
Actually the ability was called Repulse and it was part of the Dark Magic Tree. Originally I believe ZoS intention was for that Tree to be all about spells that involved CCs and self heals. The ability was pulled at some point and Crystal Fragments and its other forms were added to Dark Magic.3 -
cschwingeb14_ESO✭✭✭✭As far as a spamable ability, something that magicka sorcs really need is something that can't be reflected. Right now, magicka sorcs have no options against reflect, due to staff having all ranged abilities. Melee range would be fine. That's why people keep talking about a bound armaments/aegis change, where it gains an activated ability.
Bound aegis could get a magicka-melee spamable ability.
Bound armaments could be a stam-melee spamable activated ability.
No one loses anything, although if necessary the start bonus could be reduced.
On the topic of Dark Exchange, there is no way that they can make this ability instant. With the stam gain of Dark deal, it would be much to easy to block cast and perma-block
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potirondb16_ESO✭✭✭potirondb16_ESO wrote: »bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »STAM MORPH OF OVERLOAD,
Failing that change how Ultimats work so if its scaling off Stam it does physical damage and if its scaling off magic do magic damage for all class skills, this means that the champion point system works for your build.
Stam sorc needs some love still although hurricane is some nice improvement to its damage it has lost its utility of movement speed which was a big reason to use.
Again ill ask for the "Stone Shard" morph that is the Stam version of the morph we already have that adds a little AoE.
Last thing to say, make the passives useful as a stam sorc half of them are useless and no point taking & now with fighters guild changes we are punished for using our own class skills over fighters guild skills. Something like Major mending when dadric summoning skill is slotted, or at least change the pet passives to be useful to some extent without pets.
Stam Sorc is actually in a far better place than Mag. Sorc. now.
You guys deserve the boost FINALLY, and if other tweaks would further improve your lot - then by all means ask for them.
I would appreciate it if you could also comment on the Mag. Sorcs. nerfs however, as this is the overall Sorc. thread, and Stam. Sorcs. have the benefit of their own exclusive thread to feedback on.
id rather not have to 'donate' skills to a niche build that contridicts the purpose of a sorcerer, who is a master of magic. Mag sorc should be better, in most respects, to stam sorc. you guys want a buff? you should be calling for duel scaling, like the skills scale off your highest stat.
I'd rather not read another one of this ignorant post from someone who has no idea what an Elder Scrolls Sorcerer is. You should go do some research before you dismiss my class that is just a lore friendly as yours. Additionally, don't tell me what buffs I should be asking for if you've never played my class, dual scaling is just a terrible idea.
Oblivion Sorcerer
Morrowind Sorcerer
Have you even read those links you sent? I do agree that stamina sorcerers are something in the Elder Scroll's world, but as the game currently is set up, it is not at all like the Lore. First of all, stamina sorcerers in ESO are forced into medium armor, which they really didn't use that much on the other ES games. That affects how well sorcerers can shield them selves and absorb magika which is one of the class hugest features in the previous games. Also, because you are using medium armor your magika pool, which should be the largest in the game according to all Lore, will be shot... Because otherwise you will have no damage behind your abilities.
ESO can't conform perfectly to the other ES games because it is MMO. It needs a different sort of balancing and I am sorry... MMO wise, sorcerers are primarily magic casters. Just like Nightblades are assassins and thus the class to go for stamina builds, just templars are supposed to the best healers and DK the best tanks. I understand wanting stamina sorcerers to be more viable, but doing so at the expense of the class losing its magika orientation is idiotic at best. For a long time sorcerers have had the worst DPS in general and near to no utility and this patch is only making things worse, at least for Magika sorcerers.
You are absolutely correct. This is an MMO, and because it's an MMO every single class needs to be equally viable. This includes Stam Sorcs. Furthermore, why are we the only class that has to put up with this amount of stupidity? I don't ever see Magic Templars telling Stam Templars that they have no right to exist.
No... I am sorry... You are just wrong... The majority of the MMOs have each class very specialized. Viable only means it is playable, not that playing it will give you awesome results. I am not saying Stamina Sorcerers have no right to exist, I fully support you guys as long as buffing your side of things doesn't mean more nerfs to the Magika sorcerer builds. Unfortunately it seems Zenimax can't do that!
As for why you don't have to deal with this sort of comment on other classes threads, well maybe it is because their class doesn't already suck! Templar are still the best healers in the game, which fits the MMO Meta for the class. DKs are still the best Tanks and Nightblades are still the best Stamina DPS. Unfortunately Sorcerers are the Worst Magika DPS currently in the game instead of the best... That is why we don't need more nerfs so Stamina Sorcs can be better!
Also, I was arguing against your Lore argument that Stamina sorcerers exist in Elder Scrolls because you will never be able to get good results with the same sort of build we used in the other games while playing ESO. Gods know I tried. I started playing as a sorcerer with heavy armor and a two handed sword that focused most of the points in having a huge magika pool... Exactly like the other Elder Scrolls games... Guess how well that worked?
Actually a vast majority of MMOs don't have very specialized classes anymore. Once Blizzard realized people don't like to pigeonholed into a single specific roll because of the class they chose pretty much every company since has followed suit. In most MMOs today nearly every class has at least one viable dps spec.
No viable means the class is capable of performing well enough to be brought into endgame content. Go ask someone that has cleared Vet MoL if they would take a Stam Sorc with them over any other class including Magic Sorc. We have the worst DPS and bring no group utility. We are not currently a viable endgame trial class.
Depending on the content your running NBs are actually far better healers than Templars. Stam DKs are the best stam DPS class, and probably have the highest DPS out of all eight classes. Additionally, the Elder Scrolls lore supports Magic NBs far better than Stam NBs. None of that actually explains why we have to put up with so many ignorant people.
Attacking Stam Sorcs will get you no where. Instead why don't you focus on changes that will improve Magic Sorcs. I'll give you some ideas. Revamp Overload this skill is the reason your sustained DPS is the lowest Magic DPS in MoL. Fight this terrible Surge change. Get Dark Exchange to be actually usable. Get a complete class passive revamp; we have the worst for magic and stam.
And WTF are you talking about??? Overload is the only Ultimate in the sorcerer class that is still useful. Atronach is stupid and doesn't DPS nearly enough and Negate was nerfed to near nonexistence! Revamp overload, you are only suggesting that because you want overload to have a freaking stamina special morph!
Overload is a terrible ultimate, and the reason Magic Sorcs have such low DPS in long fights. I want nothing to do with Overload in it's current form, even if we were given a stamina morph. I hated the skill when I played on my Magic Sorc as well. So don't assume you know why I'm suggesting something. If you know anything about Magic Sorc DPS then you will know that using Overload in a fight that is about 3+ minutes long is a huge DPS loss over using Meteor. However, when using Overload on short duration fights Magic Sorcs have the highest DPS. This is one of the main reason people dismiss Magic Sorcs when you ask for DPS increases. Getting Overload exchanged for some sustained DPS is the best way to help this class, other than removing the pets.
Overload should be reworked to be an instant cast, single target, low cost ultimate. Once this happens the class can be balanced properly.
Yes, remove sorcerer's only ultimate that still have uses instead of removing dark exchange, a useless ability not even 1% of the sorcs ever slots in their bars. You clearly know what you are talking about.
To fix the sustained DPS issue for magika sorcs Dark Exchange should be reworked in a spam-able spell with a melee and a ranged morph to untie the class from always needing Force Pulse and Destro Staff. With such an ability available Zenimax could easily mess with the number till they got sorcer DPS up to par with the other magika DPSs without buffing the other classes as well and without causing too much disturbance in PvP.
It would also help with self healing as every activation of our spam-able ability would proc Blood Magic, healing the caster. Pets don't need to be removed, they need a few reworks, that is all.
As far as magika sorc goes, simply modify the Proc chance of Crystal blast and you got it, but that has repercussion upon pvp a LOT. That's why I think it should be look at from a diversification of the build perspecive.
Add a class AOE that we can use, help people get rid of Bound Armor by giving the magika bonus somewhere else and let us use some much needed versatility.
Maybe an Aoe with the same type of mechanic as Healing Spring but for Domage.Something to spam when needed that we can put Inside our offbar.
Not sure this is what you mean but DONT get rid of Bound Armor. its necessary for those who want to work a RESISTANCE based build instead of a Shield based one.
As for aoe damage, see my dark nexus idea one post up. A dark magic aoe spammable with a magic and poison morph solves a LOT of issues in one swell foop for both sta and mag.
Actually, I don't want to get rid of bound armor, just don't want it to be our only way to get the 8% more magika, that's why I want this skill to be turn into a tank morph, 8% more health (or 10%) and bring the actual 8% max magika somewhere else Inside passive, Something i would considere is 8% more magika from having a pet ability stack.
Would probably end up with either one pet slotted per bar or one pet and atronach depending player playstyle, and it will also help stamsorc when they want to use pet because now there pet is going to give them more magika to work with (not much but still)
Lol actually tought about a liquid lighting version who would deal physical dommage and work around the same principe as univitable detonation. The mobs your target actually become the source of the aoe damage. Might be nice too,
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✭cpuScientist wrote: »Check this out.... been fooling around on the PTS lol
Sorcs mysteriously lost all that really makes them unique...but now we got hp? rofl
But here's some kewl stuff I've done
I love sorcs and I wish they could maintain their... unique "build it your way" sort of game play and maintain viability.
but seriously I'll settle for just making CP effect pets. CP will help their dps, survivability, and are chief complaints about them. Give us at least "something" we can call our own.
That is impressive, so max Health tanks or super squishy pet builds. That's amazing though...
my favorite one was him basically being a warhorn bot for his pets.“Whatever.”
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✭AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »cpuScientist wrote: »Check this out.... been fooling around on the PTS lol
Sorcs mysteriously lost all that really makes them unique...but now we got hp? rofl
But here's some kewl stuff I've done
I love sorcs and I wish they could maintain their... unique "build it your way" sort of game play and maintain viability.
but seriously I'll settle for just making CP effect pets. CP will help their dps, survivability, and are chief complaints about them. Give us at least "something" we can call our own.
That is impressive, so max Health tanks or super squishy pet builds. That's amazing though...
my favorite one was him basically being a warhorn bot for his pets.
Well he is a pet build. I am honestly going to have to copy this build. As I am a pet Sorc. And as I said this is impressive. I could be fine in PvP with this. And be a tank or glass pistol in PvP. And hopefully that's enough for NOW!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Does anyone else think the change to Surge, particularly as it impacts Power Surge for Magicka Sorcs, was an attempt by ZOS to get Magicka players to stop using DW/Destro and forced to a Destro/Resto build for reliable heals?CP: 1965 ** ESO+ Gold Road ** ~~ Stamina Arcanist ~~ Magicka Warden ~~ Magicka Templar ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****1 -
Rakkul✭✭✭cpuScientist wrote: »Check this out.... been fooling around on the PTS lol
Sorcs mysteriously lost all that really makes them unique...but now we got hp? rofl
But here's some kewl stuff I've done
I love sorcs and I wish they could maintain their... unique "build it your way" sort of game play and maintain viability.
but seriously I'll settle for just making CP effect pets. CP will help their dps, survivability, and are chief complaints about them. Give us at least "something" we can call our own.
That is impressive, so max Health tanks or super squishy pet builds. That's amazing though...
Thanks for this. So the class has degenerated to an HP stackbot. They're running out of time to fix this mess.
If I wanted HP I'd get this:
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Natas013✭✭✭cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »As far as a spamable ability, something that magicka sorcs really need is something that can't be reflected. Right now, magicka sorcs have no options against reflect, due to staff having all ranged abilities. Melee range would be fine. That's why people keep talking about a bound armaments/aegis change, where it gains an activated ability.
Bound aegis could get a magicka-melee spamable ability.
Bound armaments could be a stam-melee spamable activated ability.
No one loses anything, although if necessary the start bonus could be reduced.
On the topic of Dark Exchange, there is no way that they can make this ability instant. With the stam gain of Dark deal, it would be much to easy to block cast and perma-block
Just because a skill is ranged doesn't mean the skill is reflectable (I'm looking at you meteor), though I do think the stam morph should be melee.
As for concerns about permablocking with an instant dark deal, that's an easy fix. Make the heal instant, and make the stam a flat increase to regen over four seconds. Make magicka work this way too so it's a little less lopsided.RIP Ellania Delome
June 9, 2015-June 14, 2016
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Tyrannitar✭✭✭cpuScientist wrote: »Check this out.... been fooling around on the PTS lol
Sorcs mysteriously lost all that really makes them unique...but now we got hp? rofl
But here's some kewl stuff I've done
I love sorcs and I wish they could maintain their... unique "build it your way" sort of game play and maintain viability.
but seriously I'll settle for just making CP effect pets. CP will help their dps, survivability, and are chief complaints about them. Give us at least "something" we can call our own.
That is impressive, so max Health tanks or super squishy pet builds. That's amazing though...
Yo, I'm pretty sure this is all because of the mundus PTS glitchEdited by Tyrannitar on May 15, 2016 2:48PMMy Cat Two Chainz (Main) - AD Stam Sorc
Post Malone - AD Mag Blade
Ba'al Sahk- AD Stam DK
Vampy Cat- AD Perma-WW Templar
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Natas013✭✭✭I say we take bets on which class defining skill everyone gets next patch. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for balance, but how is it balanced that everyone now has our damage shield? Tbh I'd rather see the lot of them removed all together than to share them with EVERYBODY. I've been holding it in for awhile, but word can't express how irritating this is (at least not on public forum). Give our shields more time, an added effect, or something to make them better than annulment and bone shield.
Since we're on the subject of balancing, why is there no word on a spamable attack for sorcs (stam and mag alike)? I've seen some pretty good ideas for an activated skill on bound armor morphs, and not so much as a peep in response. Well here's another for the ignored list.
Daedric drain: (mag range) call upon the power of your daedric armor to drain the strength from your opponent dealing X damage. Grants empower for 3 seconds increasing the damage of your next attack by 20%
Make X slightly less than WB to account for the skill being ranged and instant.
With the stam morph I'm torn between a gap closer and a spamable ability. I'm leaning toward gap closer because I'm still hopeful for a unique stam change for crystal blast.
Daedric Rush: call upon the power of your daedric armor to rush your opponent dealing X damage staggering your opponent and granting you minor expididton increasing your speed by 15% for 5 seconds
Daedric Slash: call upon the power of your daedric armor to summon a daedric sword… basically morkulden, strength and duration I submit for debate.RIP Ellania Delome
June 9, 2015-June 14, 2016
A skilled crafter, competent sorcerer, and denizen of the night
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I guess they want sorcs to be a CC class, but with how the game works, CC is simply worthless in PvE where you're better off just getting high dps instead and burn everything down and in the content where CC might be useful it can't be used in because it's all immune to CC in there.......R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
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✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
I guess they want sorcs to be a CC class, but with how the game works, CC is simply worthless in PvE where you're better off just getting high dps instead and burn everything down and in the content where CC might be useful it can't be used in because it's all immune to CC in there.......
Can't really CC bosses though soooo... Bring sorcs to CC mobs for you? >.<
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cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
I guess they want sorcs to be a CC class, but with how the game works, CC is simply worthless in PvE where you're better off just getting high dps instead and burn everything down and in the content where CC might be useful it can't be used in because it's all immune to CC in there.......
Can't really CC bosses though soooo... Bring sorcs to CC mobs for you? >.<
And with the mobs being so weak now there's literally no use in CCing them over just spending that time to murder them with AoE's xDR.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
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Dyride✭✭✭✭✭Does anyone else think the change to Surge, particularly as it impacts Power Surge for Magicka Sorcs, was an attempt by ZOS to get Magicka players to stop using DW/Destro and forced to a Destro/Resto build for reliable heals?
Don't forget that Trapping Webs is a stam based skill in DB, so you lose that as a non-Destro spammable dps.Edited by Dyride on May 15, 2016 8:34PMV Є H Є M Є И C Є
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✭Does anyone else think the change to Surge, particularly as it impacts Power Surge for Magicka Sorcs, was an attempt by ZOS to get Magicka players to stop using DW/Destro and forced to a Destro/Resto build for reliable heals?
Don't forget that Trapping Webs is a stam based skill in DB, so you lose that as a non-Destro spammable dps.
Don't even remind me of that bs >.> I was so happy we could drop the staves as a secondary weapon just for AoEs and ZOS comes and does this crap...2 -
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✭Tyrannitar wrote: »cpuScientist wrote: »Check this out.... been fooling around on the PTS lol
Sorcs mysteriously lost all that really makes them unique...but now we got hp? rofl
But here's some kewl stuff I've done
I love sorcs and I wish they could maintain their... unique "build it your way" sort of game play and maintain viability.
but seriously I'll settle for just making CP effect pets. CP will help their dps, survivability, and are chief complaints about them. Give us at least "something" we can call our own.
That is impressive, so max Health tanks or super squishy pet builds. That's amazing though...
Yo, I'm pretty sure this is all because of the mundus PTS glitch
It's not. The player had already explained how he achieved it. It's real.0 -
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✭Sonfrom what @NativeJoe had shown us.I am seeing that I might be able to have some sort of a tank build in PvE and be a very tanky pet build in PvP. Hopefully able to survive killswitch ZOS put in against pet builds. As I usually have no less than 3 pets out. Usually 4 and hopefully 5. BOOM DEAD! Proxy for the easy win again. But whatever. I have all 4 classes up in theices guild. I will just not play the class and style I so so thoroughly enjoy since morrowind, shoot since final fantasy. I love being a summoner. And I was REALLY enjoying it tg patch, we had active abilities that we could use in smart ways to cc enemies and heal ourselves. It was great for 1 ONE patch lol0 -
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✭So here it is ZOS I beg of you follow @NativeJoe oet suggestions. Guys a dedicated pet Sorc way more than I, and improve necropotence to vr16 sorry I mean um
((v-t)*(r-b))*(16*10) = cp160 yea improve necropotence to cp160 and change the trait from sturdy to something helpful for oet builds like infused and divines.
Also put the tank pets ability as the active ability of the bound armor change the morph to one that gives max Health and one that gives max stamina. Make the tank oet STAMINA BASED scale it off of stamina and give it the wonderful active ability of its tail swipe. BAM Stam Sorcs get a heal a GOOD ONE and they get a pet A GOOD ONE. And every magicka sorc has a reason to SLOT a pet A GOOD ONE... Which frees you up to kill dark deal this patch if you can or during a pts before the next one or in the nest one.
One last suggestion, A GOOD ONE though so hear me out. Make the 3k heal baseline for critsurge morphs, and then give the stamina version give back a little bit of Stam on procs and the magicka one five back magicka, I am talking Templar tiny house numbers but even smaller since they have to stay out for theirs basically. But something to help out the tanks and the magicka folks... And with this the tyranny of DARK DEAL can finally end.
You see how simple these are. Just some moving around of variables adjustment of ints here and doubles there lol.....1 -
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✭cpuScientist wrote: »So here it is ZOS I beg of you follow @NativeJoe oet suggestions. Guys a dedicated pet Sorc way more than I, and improve necropotence to vr16 sorry I mean um
((v-t)*(r-b))*(16*10) = cp160 yea improve necropotence to cp160 and change the trait from sturdy to something helpful for oet builds like infused and divines.
Also put the tank pets ability as the active ability of the bound armor change the morph to one that gives max Health and one that gives max stamina. Make the tank oet STAMINA BASED scale it off of stamina and give it the wonderful active ability of its tail swipe. BAM Stam Sorcs get a heal a GOOD ONE and they get a pet A GOOD ONE. And every magicka sorc has a reason to SLOT a pet A GOOD ONE... Which frees you up to kill dark deal this patch if you can or during a pts before the next one or in the nest one.
One last suggestion, A GOOD ONE though so hear me out. Make the 3k heal baseline for critsurge morphs, and then give the stamina version give back a little bit of Stam on procs and the magicka one five back magicka, I am talking Templar tiny house numbers but even smaller since they have to stay out for theirs basically. But something to help out the tanks and the magicka folks... And with this the tyranny of DARK DEAL can finally end.
You see how simple these are. Just some moving around of variables adjustment of ints here and doubles there lol.....
Or maybe longs you all using longs? Lol I'm done sorry0 -
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✭cpuScientist wrote: »So here it is ZOS I beg of you follow @NativeJoe oet suggestions. Guys a dedicated pet Sorc way more than I, and improve necropotence to vr16 sorry I mean um
((v-t)*(r-b))*(16*10) = cp160 yea improve necropotence to cp160 and change the trait from sturdy to something helpful for oet builds like infused and divines.
Also put the tank pets ability as the active ability of the bound armor change the morph to one that gives max Health and one that gives max stamina. Make the tank oet STAMINA BASED scale it off of stamina and give it the wonderful active ability of its tail swipe. BAM Stam Sorcs get a heal a GOOD ONE and they get a pet A GOOD ONE. And every magicka sorc has a reason to SLOT a pet A GOOD ONE... Which frees you up to kill dark deal this patch if you can or during a pts before the next one or in the nest one.
One last suggestion, A GOOD ONE though so hear me out. Make the 3k heal baseline for critsurge morphs, and then give the stamina version give back a little bit of Stam on procs and the magicka one five back magicka, I am talking Templar tiny house numbers but even smaller since they have to stay out for theirs basically. But something to help out the tanks and the magicka folks... And with this the tyranny of DARK DEAL can finally end.
You see how simple these are. Just some moving around of variables adjustment of ints here and doubles there lol.....
One more thing for pet builds, since the shields for it were so thoughtfully bashed to pieces, make Ward's morph heal pets by a certain amount, thus at least giving us a good way to maintain DPS pets up a while longer, at the expense of a slot and a resources.
As for Magicka builds, replace Dark Exchange (still unpopular even after all this changes you made to it the past two years) with a Melee /Ranged Magicka spammable DPS. I understand why you can't buff the damage of our other damage abilities as buffing those would increase Sorcerer's burst potential in PvP, something you are carefully avoiding, so fine, don't buff the damages on Curse, Crystal Fragments and Mage's Wrath, but please do give us an ability to replace Force Pulse with. You can increase and Decrease the damage of this ability as needed until you have sorcerer Magicka DPS in a good, but not overpowered position relative to the other classes. It is a simple enough solution as sustained DPS is hardly relevant in PvP.
Stamina sorcerers could still use a version of Crystal Fragments of their own. We don't need or use Crystal Blast, so go ahead and give them their one bursty class ability.2