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Recremen

Kilandros wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @Wrobel

Stone Fist
Re-design, ideally into an execute, but whatever--anything would be better than what it currently is.

Someone was spamming Stone Fist on me in PvP the other day and I almost died laughing, which is about the only way Stone Fist is gonna kill someone. ;-) I think the aesthetic of the technique is super cool, but it was like being hit by a low-speed mud clod.

Kilandros

Recremen wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @Wrobel

Stone Fist
Re-design, ideally into an execute, but whatever--anything would be better than what it currently is.

Someone was spamming Stone Fist on me in PvP the other day and I almost died laughing, which is about the only way Stone Fist is gonna kill someone. ;-) I think the aesthetic of the technique is super cool, but it was like being hit by a low-speed mud clod.

I just think it's such an obvious choice for a class-based execute. Remove the range to melee (5m) and make one morph poison and one morph magicka.

Star_Carrier

+1 to fix Dragons Blood in PVP

Bfish22090

Kilandros wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @Wrobel

Stone Fist
Re-design, ideally into an execute, but whatever--anything would be better than what it currently is.

Someone was spamming Stone Fist on me in PvP the other day and I almost died laughing, which is about the only way Stone Fist is gonna kill someone. ;-) I think the aesthetic of the technique is super cool, but it was like being hit by a low-speed mud clod.

I just think it's such an obvious choice for a class-based execute. Remove the range to melee (5m) and make one morph poison and one morph magicka.

very good suggestions man

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @Wrobel

Battle Standard
Reduce the cost of both morphs to 200 Ultimate

Inferno
Flames of Oblivion - Causes X AoE damage around user for 15 seconds. Damage increases by X% every 2 seconds. While active, user gains Minor/Major Heroism.

Cauterize - Heals allies around caster by X every 2 seconds for 15 seconds. While active, caster gains Minor/Major Mending.

Elder Dragon
While any Draconic Power ability is active, gain Major Resolve and Major Ward

Spiked Armor
Re-design, perhaps something that helps with resource management

Dragon's Blood
Now heals for 33% of maximum health and heals for an additional X (small HoT) while active.

Magma Shell
Now also ignores 100% of enemies spell resistance. Duration increased to 15 seconds.

Stone Fist
Re-design, ideally into an execute, but whatever--anything would be better than what it currently is.

Cinder Storm
No longer targettable, now grants Major Evasion while standing inside.

Just confirming we've read your suggestions (thank you!) We'll be digging into gathering questions from the Dragonknight class community as soon as we can.

Awesome. But does that mean we got ignored all the time? For instance DKs have been complaining about the state of Dragon's Blood literally for months now. To post an answer here, you should just have to ask the person responsible for this during lunch break... provided someone actually put thought into it, of course.

Armitas

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @Wrobel

Battle Standard
Reduce the cost of both morphs to 200 Ultimate

Inferno
Flames of Oblivion - Causes X AoE damage around user for 15 seconds. Damage increases by X% every 2 seconds. While active, user gains Minor/Major Heroism.

Cauterize - Heals allies around caster by X every 2 seconds for 15 seconds. While active, caster gains Minor/Major Mending.

Elder Dragon
While any Draconic Power ability is active, gain Major Resolve and Major Ward

Spiked Armor
Re-design, perhaps something that helps with resource management

Dragon's Blood
Now heals for 33% of maximum health and heals for an additional X (small HoT) while active.

Magma Shell
Now also ignores 100% of enemies spell resistance. Duration increased to 15 seconds.

Stone Fist
Re-design, ideally into an execute, but whatever--anything would be better than what it currently is.

Cinder Storm
No longer targettable, now grants Major Evasion while standing inside.

Just confirming we've read your suggestions (thank you!) We'll be digging into gathering questions from the Dragonknight class community as soon as we can.

I guess the results of this dialogue will occur on the next major update? If so I hope these dialogues will become a trend. Traditionally we could only reply to the changes after they are developed via pts. It would be good if we could help shape the changes before they occur so that we are not left with strange abilities or abilities that don't hit the mark. When that happens a lot of development time is wasted because its too late change it before it reaches live.

If we have this dialogue before the development then you can have some confidence and accuracy that you will have hit the mark when the next pts comes out.

Armitas

vortexman11 wrote: »

Oh, and make chains set people off balance

This would be awesome with power lash. Controllable and timed burst for an empowered powerlash!!!

I really hope they consider this.

Recremen

Kilandros wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @Wrobel

Stone Fist
Re-design, ideally into an execute, but whatever--anything would be better than what it currently is.

Someone was spamming Stone Fist on me in PvP the other day and I almost died laughing, which is about the only way Stone Fist is gonna kill someone. ;-) I think the aesthetic of the technique is super cool, but it was like being hit by a low-speed mud clod.

I just think it's such an obvious choice for a class-based execute. Remove the range to melee (5m) and make one morph PHYSICAL and one morph magicka.

There I fixed it for you. I've had quite enough of poison creeping into my beloved class thankyouverymuch. Physical damage is already a feature for some abilities from the same line, I think it would work great here too. :-)

Oronell

Recremen wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @Wrobel

Stone Fist
Re-design, ideally into an execute, but whatever--anything would be better than what it currently is.

Someone was spamming Stone Fist on me in PvP the other day and I almost died laughing, which is about the only way Stone Fist is gonna kill someone. ;-) I think the aesthetic of the technique is super cool, but it was like being hit by a low-speed mud clod.

I just think it's such an obvious choice for a class-based execute. Remove the range to melee (5m) and make one morph PHYSICAL and one morph magicka.

There I fixed it for you. I've had quite enough of poison creeping into my beloved class thankyouverymuch. Physical damage is already a feature for some abilities from the same line, I think it would work great here too. :-)

Slime Giant
(Morph)

Slam an enemy with solid slime to deal [x] Poison Damage and immobilize them for 3 seconds.
Also grants Minor Resolve, which increases your Flubber Armor by (x) for 15 seconds.
Gain Flubber Armor after casting. All attacks are reflected and cause [2x] damage to enemy

"Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the Stone Fist Poison morph."

(Activates Corrosive Armor Ultimate)

"Yes, yes let the green goo flow through you."

Bowser

Kilandros wrote: »

Stone Fist
Re-design, ideally into an execute, but whatever--anything would be better than what it currently is.

Stone Fist works great as a quick CC. Add a 10 second disorient to Stone Giant and convert Petrify to an execute.

Petrify
Encase an enemy in stone, dealing X damage each second and reducing movement speed by 30% for 20 seconds. The stone hardens over time, dealing up to 200% additional damage and up to 100% speed reduction. Damage is doubled to targets under 50% health.

Fossilize
Faster ticks with shorter duration.

Shattering Rocks
When effect ends, deals 40% of the total damage to nearby enemies and set them off balance.

Toc de Malsvi

Bowser wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Stone Fist
Re-design, ideally into an execute, but whatever--anything would be better than what it currently is.

Stone Fist works great as a quick CC. Add a 10 second disorient to Stone Giant and convert Petrify to an execute.

Petrify
Encase an enemy in stone, dealing X damage each second and reducing movement speed by 30% for 20 seconds. The stone hardens over time, dealing up to 200% additional damage and up to 100% speed reduction. Damage is doubled to targets under 50% health.

Fossilize
Faster ticks with shorter duration.

Shattering Rocks
When effect ends, deals 40% of the total damage to nearby enemies and set them off balance.

Petrify possibly the best CC in the game why would you want to change it?

Toc de Malsvi

Let Stone Fist be the execute,

Stone Fist - 20m range
Slam the enemy with solid rock dealing 494 magic damage, dealing up to 300% to targets below 35% health.

Obsidian Shard
Slam the enemy with solid rock dealing 494 magic damage, dealing up to 300% to targets below 40% health and healing caster for 20% of damage caused

Stone Giant
This ability now uses Stamina, weapon damage, and weapon critical.

Shadesofkin

I would hate to see Stone Fist changed, I like Obsidian Shard for the

Kilandros wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @Wrobel

Battle Standard
Reduce the cost of both morphs to 200 Ultimate

Inferno
Flames of Oblivion - Causes X AoE damage around user for 15 seconds. Damage increases by X% every 2 seconds. While active, user gains Minor/Major Heroism.

Cauterize - Heals allies around caster by X every 2 seconds for 15 seconds. While active, caster gains Minor/Major Mending.

Elder Dragon
While any Draconic Power ability is active, gain Major Resolve and Major Ward

Spiked Armor
Re-design, perhaps something that helps with resource management

Dragon's Blood
Now heals for 33% of maximum health and heals for an additional X (small HoT) while active.

Magma Shell
Now also ignores 100% of enemies spell resistance. Duration increased to 15 seconds.

Stone Fist
Re-design, ideally into an execute, but whatever--anything would be better than what it currently is.

Cinder Storm
No longer targettable, now grants Major Evasion while standing inside.

I don't really care about Standard Cost, I find 250 to be something I can get pretty quickly in most situations.

FOO
I agree.

Cauterize
I think this is close to where I'd like to see the skill go.

Elder Dragon
Ehhhhh....maybe. I have no argument for or against this.

Spiked Armor
I mean I guess if Elder Dragon got changed, but I use this on my Tanks and I really don't like the idea of seeing it go. Personally I think it should buff Wrath or stack with Wrath in some way.

Magma Shell
This is ok I guess, but I actually like the idea of it providing a much much stronger Damage Shield instead (or possible increasing everyones resistances)/

Stone Fist
Only if Obsidian Shard is left untouched (beyond a buff to the heal). I like having two healing skills.

Cinder Storm
I think Evasion is a waste, but I get why so many pvp players want it. I have no objections so long as Eruption is left target-able.

Bashev

Make fragmented shield similar to blazing shield. Self only shield that explodes when it is destroyed.

Bowser

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Stone Fist
Re-design, ideally into an execute, but whatever--anything would be better than what it currently is.

Stone Fist works great as a quick CC. Add a 10 second disorient to Stone Giant and convert Petrify to an execute.

Petrify
Encase an enemy in stone, dealing X damage each second and reducing movement speed by 30% for 20 seconds. The stone hardens over time, dealing up to 200% additional damage and up to 100% speed reduction. Damage is doubled to targets under 50% health.

Fossilize
Faster ticks with shorter duration.

Shattering Rocks
When effect ends, deals 40% of the total damage to nearby enemies and set them off balance.

Petrify possibly the best CC in the game why would you want to change it?

We need an execute more than we need a second stun ability that breaks on damage, especially when that feature could be kept as a morph of our first stun ability.

Shadesofkin

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Let Stone Fist be the execute,

Stone Fist - 20m range
Slam the enemy with solid rock dealing 494 magic damage, dealing up to 300% to targets below 35% health.

Obsidian Shard
Slam the enemy with solid rock dealing 494 magic damage, dealing up to 300% to targets below 40% health and healing caster for 20% of damage caused

Stone Giant
This ability now uses Stamina, weapon damage, and weapon critical.

Shard should heal the party.

arkansas_ESO

Ishammael wrote: »

Fast forward to today -- mDK has been left in the dust via gameplay mechanic changes and lack of its original class vision. This is why I vehemently disagree with the notion that mDK should get an execute or movement skill. DK has always been about standing your ground in PvP. Damage has always been lackluster. Give me back Dragon Blood, Reflect, Cinder Storm, and some method to generate a little bit of extra ultimate.

Not disagreeing at all with your sentiment (I've always been a fan of "stand-and-deliver"-type playstyles like old school magicka DK, Reinhardt in Overwatch, etc.) but, even with all of those skills you mentioned back to their former glory, do you think mDKs could survive in today's full-burst meta?

Ishammael

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Fast forward to today -- mDK has been left in the dust via gameplay mechanic changes and lack of its original class vision. This is why I vehemently disagree with the notion that mDK should get an execute or movement skill. DK has always been about standing your ground in PvP. Damage has always been lackluster. Give me back Dragon Blood, Reflect, Cinder Storm, and some method to generate a little bit of extra ultimate.

Not disagreeing at all with your sentiment (I've always been a fan of "stand-and-deliver"-type playstyles like old school magicka DK, Reinhardt in Overwatch, etc.) but, even with all of those skills you mentioned back to their former glory, do you think mDKs could survive in today's full-burst meta?

Yes.

vortexman11

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Fast forward to today -- mDK has been left in the dust via gameplay mechanic changes and lack of its original class vision. This is why I vehemently disagree with the notion that mDK should get an execute or movement skill. DK has always been about standing your ground in PvP. Damage has always been lackluster. Give me back Dragon Blood, Reflect, Cinder Storm, and some method to generate a little bit of extra ultimate.

Not disagreeing at all with your sentiment (I've always been a fan of "stand-and-deliver"-type playstyles like old school magicka DK, Reinhardt in Overwatch, etc.) but, even with all of those skills you mentioned back to their former glory, do you think mDKs could survive in today's full-burst meta?

I agree with Ish (as always)

These three skills alone were essentially the base of Dragonknight survivability. Immunity to ranged attacks, miss chance from melee attacks, as well as a strong burst heal. It allowed them to maneuver on the battlefield without fear, now two of those three skills are rarely slotted on a mDKs bar and people have been debating the usefulness of reflect for months due to its lack of reliability. If these were ever brought back then Im 99.9% sure mDKs will be competitive in this full burst meta, the class was pretty much built to avoid burst using those three listed skills in the first place.

Toc de Malsvi

Bowser wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Stone Fist
Re-design, ideally into an execute, but whatever--anything would be better than what it currently is.

Stone Fist works great as a quick CC. Add a 10 second disorient to Stone Giant and convert Petrify to an execute.

Petrify
Encase an enemy in stone, dealing X damage each second and reducing movement speed by 30% for 20 seconds. The stone hardens over time, dealing up to 200% additional damage and up to 100% speed reduction. Damage is doubled to targets under 50% health.

Fossilize
Faster ticks with shorter duration.

Shattering Rocks
When effect ends, deals 40% of the total damage to nearby enemies and set them off balance.

Petrify possibly the best CC in the game why would you want to change it?

We need an execute more than we need a second stun ability that breaks on damage, especially when that feature could be kept as a morph of our first stun ability.

The stun doesn't break on damage though it has a small damage absorb shield that must be broken, it is the only stun like this and it is a true stun not a knock down. Stone Fist is a knock down meaning regardless of stamina or not the target can stand up, if you petrify a target that is out of stamina they cannot break free or stand up they are stuck while you rebuff and set up burst or switch targets.

Tdroid

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Let Stone Fist be the execute,

Stone Fist - 20m range
Slam the enemy with solid rock dealing 494 magic damage, dealing up to 300% to targets below 35% health.

Obsidian Shard
Slam the enemy with solid rock dealing 494 magic damage, dealing up to 300% to targets below 40% health and healing caster for 20% of damage caused

Stone Giant
This ability now uses Stamina, weapon damage, and weapon critical.

Where is the additional effect the stamina morph has? Most other stamina morphs have something to make them nuique from the base-skill.

Surprise Attack - Major Fracture
Ambush - Empower
Unstable Flames/Venomous Claw - increasing damage over time
Fiery/Noxious Breath - Major Fracture
Biting Jabs - Increased critical chance

etc.

Toc de Malsvi

Tdroid wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Let Stone Fist be the execute,

Stone Fist - 20m range
Slam the enemy with solid rock dealing 494 magic damage, dealing up to 300% to targets below 35% health.

Obsidian Shard
Slam the enemy with solid rock dealing 494 magic damage, dealing up to 300% to targets below 40% health and healing caster for 20% of damage caused

Stone Giant
This ability now uses Stamina, weapon damage, and weapon critical.

Where is the additional effect the stamina morph has? Most other stamina morphs have something to make them nuique from the base-skill.

Surprise Attack - Major Fracture
Ambush - Empower
Unstable Flames/Venomous Claw - increasing damage over time
Fiery/Noxious Breath - Major Fracture
Biting Jabs - Increased critical chance

etc.

It would have to be something small and fairly inconsequential that's why I left it out, Stamina is getting a lot of other buffs elsewhere. Something like minor resolve, or a small damage shield for 5s provided the target is killed.

GRYM.LOCKE

Bowser wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

Oh, and make chains set people off balance

That's a good idea since you could follow up with Flame Lash or a heavy attack knockdown.

I'd like a short duration taunt for Unrelenting Grip. Something like 3 to 6 seconds would be good enough to reel in a big mob and hit it with Puncture. Empowering Chains can be the non-taunt morph for DPS.

would it not be better to convert this to pulling in 3 enemies not 1 and adding a snare etc?

Armitas

Can we make health based shields so they are not affected by battle spirit...or at least not as much? It seems like you get hit twice with health based shields. Your damage gets hit because it's health based and then your survival gets hit because of battle spirit. This makes it almost impossible to get any proper use from it, unlike magicka shields which bring survival and offense up simultaneously.

I used to run igneous shield for group shielding but it's just worthless now at 2k. I only run it when I heal and only for the major mending. Battle spirit has obliterated it for any real use and it was never the offender in PvP. I was always magicka shields.

Shields like frag shield (if it ever did real damage) and blazing shield should be affected because they are offensive shields.

slumber_sandb16_ESO

Igneous Weapons
Increases your heavy attack speed by 25% and gives major brutality to you and allies around you.

Its currently absolutely useless. No chance I'm going to replace Rally with igneous weapons. It needs something to make it usable and heavy attack speed would fit nicely I think and makes it unique.


and while not a DK ability I'll still add..

Power Slam
Increases damage of Power Slam by 25% after a successful block and reduces its stamina cost by 50%

Currently does slightly more damage than pucture but costs over twice the stamina, even with a 25% extra damage from the effect it doesnt justify the cost when I can get the same, or more, damage with pucture for half the cost. Its been made into a damage ability for tanks so make it a proper damage ability. Reduce the cost while the effect is active so it doesnt drain so much stamina for rather mediocre damage.

Bashev

Armitas wrote: »

Can we make health based shields so they are not affected by battle spirit...or at least not as much? It seems like you get hit twice with health based shields. Your damage gets hit because it's health based and then your survival gets hit because of battle spirit. This makes it almost impossible to get any proper use from it, unlike magicka shields which bring survival and offense up simultaneously.

I used to run igneous shield for group shielding but it's just worthless now at 2k. I only run it when I heal and only for the major mending. Battle spirit has just obliterated it for any real use and it was never the offender in PvP. I was always magicka shields.

Shields like frag shield (if it ever did real damage) and blazing shield should be affected because they are offensive shields.

Fragmented shield is the perfect example what is wrong with DKs. You need to cover a lot of factors. The shield scales with health. The damage scales with max magicka and spell damage. This combination = useless skill. I still remember when the damage were for every allies that had the shield. It was a good skill once before ZoS nerfed it.

Eejit1331

GRYM.LOCKE wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

GRYM.LOCKE wrote: »

@Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno

since your doing a few Skils Updates on DK can you change one of Deep Breaths other Morphs to Poison ?

Sorry but I don't agree. Not every single skill needs to be a Stam morph for classes. Especially one that is healing and doing damage. Good pvp DK healing abilities are slim for mDK not Stam DK. Please Wrobel do not do this. Having an interrupt on one and a resource return on the other is great for game content.

Each to there own ...

Seems to make Sence Each skill should have 1 Magicka Morph 1 Stamina Morph but since I dont PVP And NEVER will i cannot see your side but its ok

So... based on your rational, can I have a magicka morph of all weapon abilities.

Essiaga

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @Wrobel

Battle Standard
Reduce the cost of both morphs to 200 Ultimate

Inferno
Flames of Oblivion - Causes X AoE damage around user for 15 seconds. Damage increases by X% every 2 seconds. While active, user gains Minor/Major Heroism.

Cauterize - Heals allies around caster by X every 2 seconds for 15 seconds. While active, caster gains Minor/Major Mending.

Elder Dragon
While any Draconic Power ability is active, gain Major Resolve and Major Ward

Spiked Armor
Re-design, perhaps something that helps with resource management

Dragon's Blood
Now heals for 33% of maximum health and heals for an additional X (small HoT) while active.

Magma Shell
Now also ignores 100% of enemies spell resistance. Duration increased to 15 seconds.

Stone Fist
Re-design, ideally into an execute, but whatever--anything would be better than what it currently is.

Cinder Storm
No longer targettable, now grants Major Evasion while standing inside.

Just confirming we've read your suggestions (thank you!) We'll be digging into gathering questions from the Dragonknight class community as soon as we can.

Could ZOS start by eliminating Battle Spirit?

They've altered the DK and Templar class a ton to adjust for things that are battle spirit nerfed, etc. If they balanced shields and heals across the game then DK and Templar would actually be able to use their tools and actually be balanced.

Templar has by far been screwed the most by this lack of balance in how healing and shields are scaled. We've had skills nerfed into uselessness and removed to make the templar kill-able because healing is just to powerful scaling with spell damage.

This is also the issue with shield stacking. No one complains about stacking Sun or Igneous with Healing Ward or Harness. It's when you stack 2-3 shields that scale on magicka, which only 1 class can do.

Please balance the game, as in removing the need for battle spirit, before altering the very identity of classes or adding more things to replace what battle spirit destroys.

Ghost-Shot

Essiaga wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @Wrobel

Battle Standard
Reduce the cost of both morphs to 200 Ultimate

Inferno
Flames of Oblivion - Causes X AoE damage around user for 15 seconds. Damage increases by X% every 2 seconds. While active, user gains Minor/Major Heroism.

Cauterize - Heals allies around caster by X every 2 seconds for 15 seconds. While active, caster gains Minor/Major Mending.

Elder Dragon
While any Draconic Power ability is active, gain Major Resolve and Major Ward

Spiked Armor
Re-design, perhaps something that helps with resource management

Dragon's Blood
Now heals for 33% of maximum health and heals for an additional X (small HoT) while active.

Magma Shell
Now also ignores 100% of enemies spell resistance. Duration increased to 15 seconds.

Stone Fist
Re-design, ideally into an execute, but whatever--anything would be better than what it currently is.

Cinder Storm
No longer targettable, now grants Major Evasion while standing inside.

Just confirming we've read your suggestions (thank you!) We'll be digging into gathering questions from the Dragonknight class community as soon as we can.

Could ZOS start by eliminating Battle Spirit?

They've altered the DK and Templar class a ton to adjust for things that are battle spirit nerfed, etc. If they balanced shields and heals across the game then DK and Templar would actually be able to use their tools and actually be balanced.

Templar has by far been screwed the most by this lack of balance in how healing and shields are scaled. We've had skills nerfed into uselessness and removed to make the templar kill-able because healing is just to powerful scaling with spell damage.

This is also the issue with shield stacking. No one complains about stacking Sun or Igneous with Healing Ward or Harness. It's when you stack 2-3 shields that scale on magicka, which only 1 class can do.

Please balance the game, as in removing the need for battle spirit, before altering the very identity of classes or adding more things to replace what battle spirit destroys.

Templar has certainly not been screwed the most. They can still heal themselves, they output more damage, and they have a shield that actually makes it worthwhile to stack health and not be totally useless.

Hutch679

Thinking of going back to stamina. Magicka Dk takes a lot of effort for lack luster skills when you can just spam dizzying swing, then follow with take flight, to executioner. No to mention shuffle is crazy good. Now mix that with poisons and the poison morphs of skills....

Buzz' gf... Woof.