Official Feedback Thread for Enchanting

Dromede · April 2016

Thanks for listening!

Aleraon · April 2016

I doubt very few and, if they do, they probably use Dev commands for god mode and unlimited gold lol

Drummerx04 · April 2016

Well ***, that's nice to see. Thanks.

Aztlan · April 2016

I agree with Dromede. Thank you for listening!

babylon · April 2016

Awesome to see the Devs listen, cheers!

helediron · April 2016

This is nonsense. It's full of false assumptions. Fixes to to things that weren't broken and breaking things that didn't need it. Positive side of these changes is that weapon glyphs are now significant. TG finally got enchanting right with reasonable droprates. Why did you break it immediately?

TL;DR: Put potencies back to nodes.

edit: oops, wrote before latest zos response. Thank you.

Epona222 · April 2016

Many thanks to the ZOS team for listening. I look forward to testing that change, but it sounds as though that would alleviate many of our concerns. Thanks

Ilsabet · April 2016

Theoretically, under the current system 1/3 of the nodes you find will be potency. (If the proportions are intentionally skewed one way or the other, someone let me know.) So if this new proposed system will produce generally the same overall amount of potency runes harvestable as we see now, with essentially bonus aspect and essence runes from each harvest, then that actually seems like a pretty good deal.

Just as long as you don't stealth nerf the actual number of harvestable potencies along the way, given that every node harvest is going to involve RNG for the potency.

But in general thanks for listening.

bloodenragedb14_ESO · April 2016

While a 'decent' concession, why mess with how it worked before? we dont even want that, we want things to stay as they are.

Thank you for listening, but the big thing is this.....

i dont understand the need to change it at all

why? i mean, if it takes to long to level up to 50 as some say, just lower the xp cost of the grind, or something, this just seems like far to much trouble to go through.

Its like.....instead of fixing something the simplest way, you decide to take the absolute hardest, most difficult way, wasting time and money on something that should have been simple. This is still going to cause a massive upheaval in the player economy, no matter the cost of the 'store bought' runes.

How about this, expiriment with ZERO changes to the gathering nodes. if it aint broke dont fix it, as some would say

Elder_III · April 2016

I would prefer that it be an equal chance at the 3 different types of runes, but this change sounds reasonable and I think it could work pretty well. Thank you for listening to all of our complaints and making this change. Overall this is the only issue I have had with the changes on PTS (I have allot more testing to do there, so I may find more thing I don't like still, but overall it's been the best yet).

* Would you (all the devs) consider making Ta worth 5 gold to a NPC vendor? This would help to make sure people would not leave them behind in the Runestone nodes because they are 99.9% worthless. Some Trolls will leave them behind anyway, but I think giving them this small value would eliminate most of the trolling and frustration caused by the selfish actions of other players. I don't think the extra gold in the economy would be enough to cause any negative effects either.

bunnytrix · April 2016

Well that is something at least. But why can you not just leave potency runes as they are now, and add them to the vendor also. That way crafters are happy, harvesters are happy and those who don't mind spending the gold are happy. Everyone is happy.

maboleth · April 2016

Wohoooooooooooooooo!! You don't know how happy I am with you listening to our feedback.

bloodenragedb14_ESO · April 2016

Agreed, Leave the gathering nodes alone. if you want to put stuff in stores, whatever, but leave the nodes as they are, again this seems like the most complicated route to whatever issue caused this change

susmitds · April 2016

Hey Gina, this is better than nothing but won't it be far more logical to change the system to drop any two types of the three from a node?

Altairien · April 2016

A positive direction, but as you dive into the loot tables, please ensure:

writ survey nodes get 2 rolls/chances at potency runes during a harvest (the nodes are double output nodes after all)
the chance to double harvest (CP/Plentiful Harvest) exists for both normal nodes and writ survey nodes

This means that it will be possible for a writ survey node to grant 2 potency runes (1/3 chance each) and then to double again (Plentiful Harvest) for a total of 4 potency runes if the rolls come out right. Rare, but could happen.

Alternatively, just for writ survey nodes, have the nodes always grant a single potency rune (with Plentiful Harvest chance to double) along with the 2 each essence/aspect runes.

Finally, Plentiful Harvest should still apply to both the essence and aspect runes so there's still a chance at a bonus aspect rune that way. Smaller I'm sure, but a chance.

P.S. I completely agree with others that you should give Ta a vendor value.

TerraDewBerry · April 2016

Thank you for listening! I can live with this. At least I have a chance of getting a potency.

Korah_Eaglecry · April 2016

What annoys me the most about this is that this was a crafting system already in place. Could it use some tweaks to make it better? Sure. But they dont intend on making this better. They intend on using this to squeeze some more purchases in the Crown Store out of people.

I have no issue with them adding things to the Crown Store and asking players to purchase it. I dont mind the mimic stones, as much as it annoys me that they keep the drop rates of the style material purposely low. But at least you have a chance of it falling into your lap through out your gameplay. What I dont like about this is that theyre taking a portion of the game thats pre-existing. Slicing off the huge part of it and putting it behind a Gold Sink. And they have the audacity to call it an improvement, a streamlining to help players. How is forcing players to pay gold to participate in the crafting system improving it? How is it streamlining it? I dont think you know what those words mean if you seriously use that to describe what this change is.

We know damn well that by removing the potency and placing it behind a pay wall that that pay wall will essentially become the only means to gain what we need. No ones going to cross their fingers and hope to find one in the wild. Just look at the drop rates of anything else in this game and you know damn well that any "we're going to improve the drop rate" talk from ZOS is bs.

I can tolerate bugs, I can tolerate odd glitches and even lag. Because theres a lot of unknowns and uncontrollable factors in keeping a multi-million code online game running. But its this sort of thing that truely crawls under my skin. Im all for cosmetic cool items being sold in the Crown Store. But if they add potency mimic runestones to the Store. And I'll be overwhelmed with surprise if they don't. Itll be the beginnings of moving this game towards pay to win.

helediron · April 2016

Thank you for listening. About potency drops: TG finally got droprates right. Keep them same. Runes dropping all types is okay. Returning back to TG nodes would be fine too.

If ZOS decides to keep new rune nodes, they should implement all-or-nothing looting. Oherwise we get back half-looted nodes having just a Ta inside..

For the issue that enchanting is not popular, i suggest zos adds blue and purple glyphs to higher level loots. I've helped many players to reach 50. They usually advance by themselves to 30, but then start to struggle. I think better glyph loot at veteran levels would help solo players to reach 50.

RocDonald · April 2016

A friend and I burnt up all of our Jejotas helping each other level. We both hit level 50 in a couple days, an hour or so per day. So just saying, maybe the odd green (or blue, purple, gold) glyph drop could be helpful as far as leveling goes. But as far as the whole crafting part and requisition of materials goes, imho, should be left as is.

phaneub17_ESO · April 2016

Have higher quality glyphs be obtainable from other sources.
1. Green glyphs have a high chance to be obtained from vet dungeon trash drops, vet dungeon bosses, and locked chests. Moderate chance from normal dungeon bosses. Low chance from normal dungeon trash drops and public dungeon bosses.
2. Blue glyphs have a moderate chance to be obtained from vet dungeon trash drops and vet dungeon bosses. Low chance from normal dungeon bosses and locked chests.
3. Purple glyphs have a low chance to be obtained from vet dungeon bosses and a very low chance from Locked chests.

CP5 · April 2016

Prepare yourselves, the TA runes are coming...

babylon · April 2016

Compulsory automatic looting of nodes needs to be implemented - I have a suggestion on making this possible even if the harvester has a bag with only one space free or no spaces free.

Make it so there's a temporary Overflow Bag, that works only to hold the last looted item should the looter have a full bag or not quite enough spaces for all the items to go into his bag. That way you guys can make all harvesting nodes automatically looted (no matter what the player has checked on looting options), so people no longer can half-loot a node taking the best items and leaving only worms or a Ta (as will happen with this new Enchanting node system).

The Overflow Bag will only hold the last items looted, and contents of this temporary bag will force itself into the player's bag soon as he makes room for the items by him deleting existing items, banking items, or selling other items. After that the bag is emptied, only being used in the next emergency situation. The player can never use the bag at will, items only come out and the player can never put items in.

If the player tries to loot another node with the Overflow Bag already full, then he finds he can't take anything from that node at all, until he's accepted the contents of the existing Overflow Bag. That way it also can't be used as limitless extra bag space.

This system could also work well for when a person tries to receive a quest reward but has a full bag at that moment.

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scorpiodog · April 2016

On the contrary, it may make me reconsider doing enchanting crafting writs altogether. As it is the only reason I do crafting writs is it's "free gold" - when I have to buy the materials to do writs it cuts into my margin and makes me less likely to do them.

If I have to buy potency runes I probably won't bother with enchanting writs and I'll just save/hoard my runes for crafting equipment.

I don't do potion writs because it's too complicated, and I only do enchanting writs when I have my notes easily accessible because I get the names confused. Maybe if the naming system made a bit more sense more people would do enchanting? I can never remember if "petty" is "base" or "Fine", or if "trifling" is higher than "petty".

If it's a problem for beginning players to find a specific material, the answer is to just put more of that item in the starting areas - and start new players in the staring areas (where there are tons of runes) instead of in the capital cities (where there are zero runes).

disintegr8 · April 2016

Thank you for listening ZOS. I agree that enchanting is a pain to level up and could do with some changes but I disagreed with forcing everyone to buy their potency runes. Hopefully the latter change will stick and I can continue farming for all of my runes and hoarding my gold.

Cryptical · April 2016

I'll say, if it goes from what it is now, to having the essence / aspect nodes contain a 1/3rd chance at a scaled-to-something potency rune... Then I think that would be fine. Making it also purchasable --> gravy.

As it stands now, I've been working on leveling my enchanting and have not been pumping the blue and purple potency runes through the process because it simply hasn't felt like they show up all that often. I've felt like I should hold on to them because of rarity, like people hold on to kuta and tempering alloy and such. If the blues and purples and *gasp* yellow runes show up more regularly then I'm not going to be hesitant about throwing them onto trait-set armor / weapons I make.

It is fundamentally this simple: If you want more of enchanting, you have to first make sure to ease any scarcity of the components involved.

dodgehopper_ESO · April 2016

Two of my characters are Enchanting 50, and I did it believe it or not from breaking down dropped glyphs. The rest are in their 30's on that skill, which I suppose isn't that impressive considering the first 30 are the easiest to level. This does make me consider crafting glyphs in the method you have suggested though, simply to have it accomplished before it is too late. Then again I might not, and just sell the materials. I'm not sure.

Van_0S · April 2016

Why not make them purchasable in tv stones also for the same price or each monster drops different lvl runes based on different zones. After all potency runes are consider as some form of energy.

STEVIL · April 2016

Hey, guys, i am confused.

Please some of you who are absolutely certain this was an evil plot to monetize potency stones into the store... please help explain to me where the black helos come in and turn this latest change back into that? How does Argentina fit into all this and the UFOs?

KingYogi415 · April 2016

Being able to interact with everything is what makes this game amazing.

Why destroy that?

MasterSpatula · April 2016

While I appreciate that ZOS is listening to the feedback, I think the compromise solution still misses part of the problem: Fun!

Enchanting is my favorite craft. When I'm out in the wild, I always get a thrill from finding a rune. I love the little shine, sometimes out in the open and sometimes obscured--especially at dusk or night. When I see an Essence rune, my reaction is always, "Sure, I'll grab that." When I see a Potency Rune, I often think, "Awesome! I need those." And when I see that red glow, a tiny little adrenaline burst hits. "Maybe," I say to myself, "just maybe I'll get lucky." Ok, the huge majority end up being Tas, which are worthless, but that exciting moment of possibility is part of what I enjoy in the game.

By making one kind of node that drops all three runes, you remove that variety of possible emotions, that excitement of feeling like you're putting together a puzzle by finding the variety you need. I'm sure, in the new system, there'll be a thrill of "Maybe it'll be a potency!" but, frankly, we don't need a maybe on potencies. They need to be uncommon enough to be exciting but common enough to be able to do what we need to do. Meanwhile, you're removing the excitement of coming across Aspect runes and that almost scary moment of possibility. All runes will be essentially the same, it will be more dull, and the disappointment of looting a Ta will become more noticeable than the thrill of possibility.

Simply put, the change takes a source of joy out of the game.

People have already suggested a really good way to improve participation in Enchanting, and this has been suggested since before the inspiration boost way back in the day: Introduce green and better glyphs to the loot tables with corresponding inspiration gains. This wouldn't have to flood the market with Aspect runes. Greens and blues are only used for leveling characters. Purple and gold glyphs could be rare and extremely rare. Aspect extraction could remain where it is, which is slightly-uncommon. This might introduce a few more Rekutas and Kutas into the world, but not enough to hurt anything.

I would suggest a slight nudge upward in the chance to extract Potencies, though.