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Would You Buy Another ZOS Game?
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jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, I would buy another ZOS title.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So...So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
This game has amazing potential, but I truly don't think it will ever be completely realized with the current dev team. It seems it's always one step forward, three steps back. When another "successful" MMO is released, we'll see where the rubber meets the road.
I've enjoyed playing ESO, but with a lot of frustration. More than any other MMO, and I started playing MMOs back in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released, and I've played quite a few of them. So please don't be arrogant enough to presume to say who's not being honest.
RIFT, FFXIV: ARR, LotRO, SWtOR, GW2... none of those are better options than ESO?
How then can ESO be such a disaster that, not only are you still playing it, but it's still "better" than any other MMO on the market right now?
The truthful answer is simple.
ESO is one of the best MMO's on the market right now. However; the game has made changes that are not specifically the changes that you might have made, so you're posting out of misplaced frustration.
I'm 50 years old. I started playing MMO's 17 years ago in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released. Even before then, I played Ultima Online for almost a year, so I guess that gives me almost 18 years of MMOing. How long have you been playing MMO's?
Rift - played it
Dark Age of Camelot - Played it
FFXIV - Dont like the franchise
ARR - Not sure what that is.
LotRO - Played it, but really didnt like the LOTR atmosphere
SWTOR - Played it
GW2 - Played it, was disappointed with the expansion
Everquest - played it for 6 years
WoW - Played it
TERA - Played it
BDO - Not interested
ArchAge - Messed with it a little, and my buddies and I are actually contemplating going to that now.
What else you got?
My friends and I play MMO's together. We've been playing ESO for about 5 months, and are already tired of the bugs, laggyness of the game in general, devs unable to fix bugs, inability to fix broken mechanics for years, making only male armor wireframes now because its easier to do, devs pretty much patching and balancing once per quarter or less, devs using primary focus to crank out DLCs and crown store items for sale, the list goes on and on and on. I will say that ESO has the best quest lines that I've ever played in MMO's, so kudos to them for that.
You're the very definition of white knight. No matter what happens, you'll defend it with your dying breath, and tell other players how wrong they are and how they feel, when you have not a clue, and are extremely arrogant to even presume saying such things. You keep saying that I think ESO is the best MMO on the market right now, but I've said no such thing. We've played it heavy for 5 months, and are already getting ready to move on for various reasons stated above. We played GW2 for 2 years. WoW for 6 years. The lesser titles for much less time. If another good AAA MMO had been released sooner, we'd be gone now. We unsubbed from ESO two days ago. No more money for them.
You're arrogant enough to lecture me that my (our) unhappiness is "misplaced frustration". Keep on fighting the good fight Sir Knight. They definitely need players like you.
I've heard mixed, but generally positive things about Black Desert Online. I play ESO because I love the Elder Scrolls lore, but I agree with most here that ZOS has done a very poor job overall. BDO doesn't have the ES lore, but by all accounts it's a far better MMO. It might be what you're looking for.
By all accounts? Whos? I play BDO and its a fun game to play. Its nothing like ESO tho. So comparing the two would be like comparing ESo to games like call of duty or the division. BDO is a sandbox box game. No quests to do. You level up by grinding mobs. Once you hit a certain level you can also be attacked at any time by other players. So while yes it is a fun game calling it "better" is a stretch. Since thats all opinion.
Oh and btw there are the same complaints there as here. PVP isnt balanced. Lag. Classes arent balanced. Lag again.2 -
WalkingLegacy✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I would not buy another ZOS title.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So...So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
This game has amazing potential, but I truly don't think it will ever be completely realized with the current dev team. It seems it's always one step forward, three steps back. When another "successful" MMO is released, we'll see where the rubber meets the road.
I've enjoyed playing ESO, but with a lot of frustration. More than any other MMO, and I started playing MMOs back in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released, and I've played quite a few of them. So panalogies't be arrogant enough to presume to say who's not being honest.
RIFT, FFXIV: ARR, LotRO, SWtOR, GW2... none of those are better options than ESO?
How then can ESO be such a disaster that, not only are you still playing it, but it's still "better" than any other MMO on the market right now?
The truthful answer is simple.
ESO is one of the best MMO's on the market right now. However; the game has made changes that are not specifically the changes that you might have made, so you're posting out of misplaced frustration.
Couldn't have said it better myself. forum whiners saying "OMG, I will NEVER go buy another game from this company AGAIN" are so laughable.
It's like a little kid that gets chocolate ice cream every night...then one night you run out of chocolate, and only have vanilla, and they don't like vanilla.
I'M NEVER EATING YOUR ICE CREAM AGAIN!!!!!! lol, so funny
Yep the kid stuffing his face with ice cream he claims he hates. They always have this "its us vs them" mentality too. Like if you arent protesting you are supporting "the man" keeping us down. Id buy another ZOS game in a heartbeat I really like the game. I take a ton of grief for it on the official forums because this is a tad of a cesspool most of the good players avoid. Watch podcasts like tales of tamriel etc. You will see there are far more people who enjoy the game than those who spew all this hatred on the forums.
You and the other white knights use some really stupid analogies. Ice cream has nothing to do with ESO. If you don't like ice cream, you don't eat it. Saying you hate ice cream is melodramatic. People have invested interest in MMOs and in TES...that's why a lot of people can stomach the issues right now. You clearly don't see the connection.
You call frustrated feedback hate because you disagree with it. People have a right after being spoon-fed hope to be frustrated at this point. The spoonful of hope is really *** masked behind the promise to try and make everyone happy.
Edited by WalkingLegacy on April 6, 2016 3:24PM7 -
Uriel_Nocturne✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, I would buy another ZOS title.
Yep... that's going to be the new "word of the day"...WalkingLegacy wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So...So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
This game has amazing potential, but I truly don't think it will ever be completely realized with the current dev team. It seems it's always one step forward, three steps back. When another "successful" MMO is released, we'll see where the rubber meets the road.
I've enjoyed playing ESO, but with a lot of frustration. More than any other MMO, and I started playing MMOs back in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released, and I've played quite a few of them. So panalogies't be arrogant enough to presume to say who's not being honest.
RIFT, FFXIV: ARR, LotRO, SWtOR, GW2... none of those are better options than ESO?
How then can ESO be such a disaster that, not only are you still playing it, but it's still "better" than any other MMO on the market right now?
The truthful answer is simple.
ESO is one of the best MMO's on the market right now. However; the game has made changes that are not specifically the changes that you might have made, so you're posting out of misplaced frustration.
Couldn't have said it better myself. forum whiners saying "OMG, I will NEVER go buy another game from this company AGAIN" are so laughable.
It's like a little kid that gets chocolate ice cream every night...then one night you run out of chocolate, and only have vanilla, and they don't like vanilla.
I'M NEVER EATING YOUR ICE CREAM AGAIN!!!!!! lol, so funny
Yep the kid stuffing his face with ice cream he claims he hates. They always have this "its us vs them" mentality too. Like if you arent protesting you are supporting "the man" keeping us down. Id buy another ZOS game in a heartbeat I really like the game. I take a ton of grief for it on the official forums because this is a tad of a cesspool most of the good players avoid. Watch podcasts like tales of tamriel etc. You will see there are far more people who enjoy the game than those who spew all this hatred on the forums.
You and the other white knights use some really stupid analogies. Ice cream has nothing to do with ESO. If you don't line ice cream, you don't eat it. Saying you hate ice cream is melodramatic. People have invested interest in MMOs and in TES...that's why a lot of people can stomach the issues right now. You clearly don't see the connection.
You call frustrated feedback hate because you disagree with it. People have a right after being spoon-fed hope to be frustrated at this point. The spoonful of hope is really *** masked behind the promise to try and make everyone happy.
Wonder how many more times it's going to be used to refute an argument for ESO rather than actually arguing a point that has merit?
PSA: Logical Fallacies inbound!!! TAKE COVER!!!!
twitch.tv/vampire_nox
PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say no to Crown Crates!2 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, I would not buy another ZOS title.WalkingLegacy wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So...So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
This game has amazing potential, but I truly don't think it will ever be completely realized with the current dev team. It seems it's always one step forward, three steps back. When another "successful" MMO is released, we'll see where the rubber meets the road.
I've enjoyed playing ESO, but with a lot of frustration. More than any other MMO, and I started playing MMOs back in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released, and I've played quite a few of them. So panalogies't be arrogant enough to presume to say who's not being honest.
RIFT, FFXIV: ARR, LotRO, SWtOR, GW2... none of those are better options than ESO?
How then can ESO be such a disaster that, not only are you still playing it, but it's still "better" than any other MMO on the market right now?
The truthful answer is simple.
ESO is one of the best MMO's on the market right now. However; the game has made changes that are not specifically the changes that you might have made, so you're posting out of misplaced frustration.
Couldn't have said it better myself. forum whiners saying "OMG, I will NEVER go buy another game from this company AGAIN" are so laughable.
It's like a little kid that gets chocolate ice cream every night...then one night you run out of chocolate, and only have vanilla, and they don't like vanilla.
I'M NEVER EATING YOUR ICE CREAM AGAIN!!!!!! lol, so funny
Yep the kid stuffing his face with ice cream he claims he hates. They always have this "its us vs them" mentality too. Like if you arent protesting you are supporting "the man" keeping us down. Id buy another ZOS game in a heartbeat I really like the game. I take a ton of grief for it on the official forums because this is a tad of a cesspool most of the good players avoid. Watch podcasts like tales of tamriel etc. You will see there are far more people who enjoy the game than those who spew all this hatred on the forums.
You and the other white knights use some really stupid analogies. Ice cream has nothing to do with ESO. If you don't line ice cream, you don't eat it. Saying you hate ice cream is melodramatic. People have invested interest in MMOs and in TES...that's why a lot of people can stomach the issues right now. You clearly don't see the connection.
You call frustrated feedback hate because you disagree with it. People have a right after being spoon-fed hope to be frustrated at this point. The spoonful of hope is really *** masked behind the promise to try and make everyone happy.
So much truth is this post right here... O_O2 -
Genomic✭✭✭✭✭No, I would not buy another ZOS title.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So...So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
This game has amazing potential, but I truly don't think it will ever be completely realized with the current dev team. It seems it's always one step forward, three steps back. When another "successful" MMO is released, we'll see where the rubber meets the road.
I've enjoyed playing ESO, but with a lot of frustration. More than any other MMO, and I started playing MMOs back in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released, and I've played quite a few of them. So please don't be arrogant enough to presume to say who's not being honest.
RIFT, FFXIV: ARR, LotRO, SWtOR, GW2... none of those are better options than ESO?
How then can ESO be such a disaster that, not only are you still playing it, but it's still "better" than any other MMO on the market right now?
The truthful answer is simple.
ESO is one of the best MMO's on the market right now. However; the game has made changes that are not specifically the changes that you might have made, so you're posting out of misplaced frustration.
I'm 50 years old. I started playing MMO's 17 years ago in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released. Even before then, I played Ultima Online for almost a year, so I guess that gives me almost 18 years of MMOing. How long have you been playing MMO's?
Rift - played it
Dark Age of Camelot - Played it
FFXIV - Dont like the franchise
ARR - Not sure what that is.
LotRO - Played it, but really didnt like the LOTR atmosphere
SWTOR - Played it
GW2 - Played it, was disappointed with the expansion
Everquest - played it for 6 years
WoW - Played it
TERA - Played it
BDO - Not interested
ArchAge - Messed with it a little, and my buddies and I are actually contemplating going to that now.
What else you got?
My friends and I play MMO's together. We've been playing ESO for about 5 months, and are already tired of the bugs, laggyness of the game in general, devs unable to fix bugs, inability to fix broken mechanics for years, making only male armor wireframes now because its easier to do, devs pretty much patching and balancing once per quarter or less, devs using primary focus to crank out DLCs and crown store items for sale, the list goes on and on and on. I will say that ESO has the best quest lines that I've ever played in MMO's, so kudos to them for that.
You're the very definition of white knight. No matter what happens, you'll defend it with your dying breath, and tell other players how wrong they are and how they feel, when you have not a clue, and are extremely arrogant to even presume saying such things. You keep saying that I think ESO is the best MMO on the market right now, but I've said no such thing. We've played it heavy for 5 months, and are already getting ready to move on for various reasons stated above. We played GW2 for 2 years. WoW for 6 years. The lesser titles for much less time. If another good AAA MMO had been released sooner, we'd be gone now. We unsubbed from ESO two days ago. No more money for them.
You're arrogant enough to lecture me that my (our) unhappiness is "misplaced frustration". Keep on fighting the good fight Sir Knight. They definitely need players like you.
I've heard mixed, but generally positive things about Black Desert Online. I play ESO because I love the Elder Scrolls lore, but I agree with most here that ZOS has done a very poor job overall. BDO doesn't have the ES lore, but by all accounts it's a far better MMO. It might be what you're looking for.
By all accounts? Whos? I play BDO and its a fun game to play. Its nothing like ESO tho. So comparing the two would be like comparing ESo to games like call of duty or the division. BDO is a sandbox box game. No quests to do. You level up by grinding mobs. Once you hit a certain level you can also be attacked at any time by other players. So while yes it is a fun game calling it "better" is a stretch. Since thats all opinion.
Oh and btw there are the same complaints there as here. PVP isnt balanced. Lag. Classes arent balanced. Lag again.
He said he was becoming tired of ESO and was considering Archeage as a new home. I was merely suggesting an alternative. You agree BDO is fun to play, but has its own issues, like ESO. But as you also mention, BDO is sandbox and ESO is themepark, so perhaps that's the kind of difference Villious was looking for? A change is as good as a holiday? Anyhow, as I said, it was just a suggestion, based on reviews from sources I trusted.
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Uriel_Nocturne✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, I would buy another ZOS title.
No there's not... he completely missed the point of the analogy, and he's using at least three logical fallacies to try to cover up that he missed the point of the analogy.WalkingLegacy wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So...So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
This game has amazing potential, but I truly don't think it will ever be completely realized with the current dev team. It seems it's always one step forward, three steps back. When another "successful" MMO is released, we'll see where the rubber meets the road.
I've enjoyed playing ESO, but with a lot of frustration. More than any other MMO, and I started playing MMOs back in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released, and I've played quite a few of them. So panalogies't be arrogant enough to presume to say who's not being honest.
RIFT, FFXIV: ARR, LotRO, SWtOR, GW2... none of those are better options than ESO?
How then can ESO be such a disaster that, not only are you still playing it, but it's still "better" than any other MMO on the market right now?
The truthful answer is simple.
ESO is one of the best MMO's on the market right now. However; the game has made changes that are not specifically the changes that you might have made, so you're posting out of misplaced frustration.
Couldn't have said it better myself. forum whiners saying "OMG, I will NEVER go buy another game from this company AGAIN" are so laughable.
It's like a little kid that gets chocolate ice cream every night...then one night you run out of chocolate, and only have vanilla, and they don't like vanilla.
I'M NEVER EATING YOUR ICE CREAM AGAIN!!!!!! lol, so funny
Yep the kid stuffing his face with ice cream he claims he hates. They always have this "its us vs them" mentality too. Like if you arent protesting you are supporting "the man" keeping us down. Id buy another ZOS game in a heartbeat I really like the game. I take a ton of grief for it on the official forums because this is a tad of a cesspool most of the good players avoid. Watch podcasts like tales of tamriel etc. You will see there are far more people who enjoy the game than those who spew all this hatred on the forums.
You and the other white knights use some really stupid analogies. Ice cream has nothing to do with ESO. If you don't line ice cream, you don't eat it. Saying you hate ice cream is melodramatic. People have invested interest in MMOs and in TES...that's why a lot of people can stomach the issues right now. You clearly don't see the connection.
You call frustrated feedback hate because you disagree with it. People have a right after being spoon-fed hope to be frustrated at this point. The spoonful of hope is really *** masked behind the promise to try and make everyone happy.
So much truth is this post right here... O_O
sheesh...
twitch.tv/vampire_nox
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WalkingLegacy✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I would not buy another ZOS title.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Yep... that's going to be the new "word of the day"...WalkingLegacy wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So...So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
This game has amazing potential, but I truly don't think it will ever be completely realized with the current dev team. It seems it's always one step forward, three steps back. When another "successful" MMO is released, we'll see where the rubber meets the road.
I've enjoyed playing ESO, but with a lot of frustration. More than any other MMO, and I started playing MMOs back in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released, and I've played quite a few of them. So panalogies't be arrogant enough to presume to say who's not being honest.
RIFT, FFXIV: ARR, LotRO, SWtOR, GW2... none of those are better options than ESO?
How then can ESO be such a disaster that, not only are you still playing it, but it's still "better" than any other MMO on the market right now?
The truthful answer is simple.
ESO is one of the best MMO's on the market right now. However; the game has made changes that are not specifically the changes that you might have made, so you're posting out of misplaced frustration.
Couldn't have said it better myself. forum whiners saying "OMG, I will NEVER go buy another game from this company AGAIN" are so laughable.
It's like a little kid that gets chocolate ice cream every night...then one night you run out of chocolate, and only have vanilla, and they don't like vanilla.
I'M NEVER EATING YOUR ICE CREAM AGAIN!!!!!! lol, so funny
Yep the kid stuffing his face with ice cream he claims he hates. They always have this "its us vs them" mentality too. Like if you arent protesting you are supporting "the man" keeping us down. Id buy another ZOS game in a heartbeat I really like the game. I take a ton of grief for it on the official forums because this is a tad of a cesspool most of the good players avoid. Watch podcasts like tales of tamriel etc. You will see there are far more people who enjoy the game than those who spew all this hatred on the forums.
You and the other white knights use some really stupid analogies. Ice cream has nothing to do with ESO. If you don't line ice cream, you don't eat it. Saying you hate ice cream is melodramatic. People have invested interest in MMOs and in TES...that's why a lot of people can stomach the issues right now. You clearly don't see the connection.
You call frustrated feedback hate because you disagree with it. People have a right after being spoon-fed hope to be frustrated at this point. The spoonful of hope is really *** masked behind the promise to try and make everyone happy.
Wonder how many more times it's going to be used to refute an argument for ESO rather than actually arguing a point that has merit?
PSA: Logical Fallacies inbound!!! TAKE COVER!!!!Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
No there's not... he completely missed the point of the analogy, and he's using at least three logical fallacies to try to cover up that he missed the point of the analogy.WalkingLegacy wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So...So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
This game has amazing potential, but I truly don't think it will ever be completely realized with the current dev team. It seems it's always one step forward, three steps back. When another "successful" MMO is released, we'll see where the rubber meets the road.
I've enjoyed playing ESO, but with a lot of frustration. More than any other MMO, and I started playing MMOs back in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released, and I've played quite a few of them. So panalogies't be arrogant enough to presume to say who's not being honest.
RIFT, FFXIV: ARR, LotRO, SWtOR, GW2... none of those are better options than ESO?
How then can ESO be such a disaster that, not only are you still playing it, but it's still "better" than any other MMO on the market right now?
The truthful answer is simple.
ESO is one of the best MMO's on the market right now. However; the game has made changes that are not specifically the changes that you might have made, so you're posting out of misplaced frustration.
Couldn't have said it better myself. forum whiners saying "OMG, I will NEVER go buy another game from this company AGAIN" are so laughable.
It's like a little kid that gets chocolate ice cream every night...then one night you run out of chocolate, and only have vanilla, and they don't like vanilla.
I'M NEVER EATING YOUR ICE CREAM AGAIN!!!!!! lol, so funny
Yep the kid stuffing his face with ice cream he claims he hates. They always have this "its us vs them" mentality too. Like if you arent protesting you are supporting "the man" keeping us down. Id buy another ZOS game in a heartbeat I really like the game. I take a ton of grief for it on the official forums because this is a tad of a cesspool most of the good players avoid. Watch podcasts like tales of tamriel etc. You will see there are far more people who enjoy the game than those who spew all this hatred on the forums.
You and the other white knights use some really stupid analogies. Ice cream has nothing to do with ESO. If you don't line ice cream, you don't eat it. Saying you hate ice cream is melodramatic. People have invested interest in MMOs and in TES...that's why a lot of people can stomach the issues right now. You clearly don't see the connection.
You call frustrated feedback hate because you disagree with it. People have a right after being spoon-fed hope to be frustrated at this point. The spoonful of hope is really *** masked behind the promise to try and make everyone happy.
So much truth is this post right here... O_O
sheesh...
You're using logical fallacies wrong.
The point of the analgoy is stupid. Who the hell sits there and says they hate ice cream and still eats it? Did you read where I said you have vested interest in an MMO AND TES?
Do you have vested interest in ice cream? Not unless you have problems.2 -
Uriel_Nocturne✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, I would buy another ZOS title.
It's an analogy.WalkingLegacy wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Yep... that's going to be the new "word of the day"...WalkingLegacy wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So...So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
This game has amazing potential, but I truly don't think it will ever be completely realized with the current dev team. It seems it's always one step forward, three steps back. When another "successful" MMO is released, we'll see where the rubber meets the road.
I've enjoyed playing ESO, but with a lot of frustration. More than any other MMO, and I started playing MMOs back in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released, and I've played quite a few of them. So panalogies't be arrogant enough to presume to say who's not being honest.
RIFT, FFXIV: ARR, LotRO, SWtOR, GW2... none of those are better options than ESO?
How then can ESO be such a disaster that, not only are you still playing it, but it's still "better" than any other MMO on the market right now?
The truthful answer is simple.
ESO is one of the best MMO's on the market right now. However; the game has made changes that are not specifically the changes that you might have made, so you're posting out of misplaced frustration.
Couldn't have said it better myself. forum whiners saying "OMG, I will NEVER go buy another game from this company AGAIN" are so laughable.
It's like a little kid that gets chocolate ice cream every night...then one night you run out of chocolate, and only have vanilla, and they don't like vanilla.
I'M NEVER EATING YOUR ICE CREAM AGAIN!!!!!! lol, so funny
Yep the kid stuffing his face with ice cream he claims he hates. They always have this "its us vs them" mentality too. Like if you arent protesting you are supporting "the man" keeping us down. Id buy another ZOS game in a heartbeat I really like the game. I take a ton of grief for it on the official forums because this is a tad of a cesspool most of the good players avoid. Watch podcasts like tales of tamriel etc. You will see there are far more people who enjoy the game than those who spew all this hatred on the forums.
You and the other white knights use some really stupid analogies. Ice cream has nothing to do with ESO. If you don't line ice cream, you don't eat it. Saying you hate ice cream is melodramatic. People have invested interest in MMOs and in TES...that's why a lot of people can stomach the issues right now. You clearly don't see the connection.
You call frustrated feedback hate because you disagree with it. People have a right after being spoon-fed hope to be frustrated at this point. The spoonful of hope is really *** masked behind the promise to try and make everyone happy.
Wonder how many more times it's going to be used to refute an argument for ESO rather than actually arguing a point that has merit?
PSA: Logical Fallacies inbound!!! TAKE COVER!!!!Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
No there's not... he completely missed the point of the analogy, and he's using at least three logical fallacies to try to cover up that he missed the point of the analogy.WalkingLegacy wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So...So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
This game has amazing potential, but I truly don't think it will ever be completely realized with the current dev team. It seems it's always one step forward, three steps back. When another "successful" MMO is released, we'll see where the rubber meets the road.
I've enjoyed playing ESO, but with a lot of frustration. More than any other MMO, and I started playing MMOs back in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released, and I've played quite a few of them. So panalogies't be arrogant enough to presume to say who's not being honest.
RIFT, FFXIV: ARR, LotRO, SWtOR, GW2... none of those are better options than ESO?
How then can ESO be such a disaster that, not only are you still playing it, but it's still "better" than any other MMO on the market right now?
The truthful answer is simple.
ESO is one of the best MMO's on the market right now. However; the game has made changes that are not specifically the changes that you might have made, so you're posting out of misplaced frustration.
Couldn't have said it better myself. forum whiners saying "OMG, I will NEVER go buy another game from this company AGAIN" are so laughable.
It's like a little kid that gets chocolate ice cream every night...then one night you run out of chocolate, and only have vanilla, and they don't like vanilla.
I'M NEVER EATING YOUR ICE CREAM AGAIN!!!!!! lol, so funny
Yep the kid stuffing his face with ice cream he claims he hates. They always have this "its us vs them" mentality too. Like if you arent protesting you are supporting "the man" keeping us down. Id buy another ZOS game in a heartbeat I really like the game. I take a ton of grief for it on the official forums because this is a tad of a cesspool most of the good players avoid. Watch podcasts like tales of tamriel etc. You will see there are far more people who enjoy the game than those who spew all this hatred on the forums.
You and the other white knights use some really stupid analogies. Ice cream has nothing to do with ESO. If you don't line ice cream, you don't eat it. Saying you hate ice cream is melodramatic. People have invested interest in MMOs and in TES...that's why a lot of people can stomach the issues right now. You clearly don't see the connection.
You call frustrated feedback hate because you disagree with it. People have a right after being spoon-fed hope to be frustrated at this point. The spoonful of hope is really *** masked behind the promise to try and make everyone happy.
So much truth is this post right here... O_O
sheesh...
You're using logical fallacies wrong.
The point of the analgoy is stupid. Who the hell sits there and says they hate ice cream and still eats it? Did you read where I said you have vested interest in an MMO AND TES?
Do you have vested interest in ice cream? Not unless you have problems.
A certain amount of imagination is required with an analogy. The fact that you're trying to make it a literal example rather than trying to understand the analogy points to a deficiency on you, not the gentleman who made the analogy.
As for the logical fallacies: School yourself
Boom.
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Villious✭✭✭No, I would not buy another ZOS title.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
I can handle being labeled as a narcissist.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So, because I've been very happy with this game, and have none of the criticisms that you have, I'm a "White Knight"? BTW; your age is irrelevant to this discussion. I myself am 40 this year, and have been playing MMO's for just as long as you have. Hell, I've been "Gaming" since 1985 when I started with the Atari 2600 and the Commodore 64.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So...So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
This game has amazing potential, but I truly don't think it will ever be completely realized with the current dev team. It seems it's always one step forward, three steps back. When another "successful" MMO is released, we'll see where the rubber meets the road.
I've enjoyed playing ESO, but with a lot of frustration. More than any other MMO, and I started playing MMOs back in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released, and I've played quite a few of them. So please don't be arrogant enough to presume to say who's not being honest.
RIFT, FFXIV: ARR, LotRO, SWtOR, GW2... none of those are better options than ESO?
How then can ESO be such a disaster that, not only are you still playing it, but it's still "better" than any other MMO on the market right now?
The truthful answer is simple.
ESO is one of the best MMO's on the market right now. However; the game has made changes that are not specifically the changes that you might have made, so you're posting out of misplaced frustration.
I'm 50 years old. I started playing MMO's 17 years ago in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released. Even before then, I played Ultima Online for almost a year, so I guess that gives me almost 18 years of MMOing. How long have you been playing MMO's?
Rift - played it
Dark Age of Camelot - Played it
FFXIV - Dont like the franchise
ARR - Not sure what that is.
LotRO - Played it, but really didnt like the LOTR atmosphere
SWTOR - Played it
GW2 - Played it, was disappointed with the expansion
Everquest - played it for 6 years
WoW - Played it
TERA - Played it
BDO - Not interested
ArchAge - Messed with it a little, and my buddies and I are actually contemplating going to that now.
What else you got?
My friends and I play MMO's together. We've been playing ESO for about 5 months, and are already tired of the bugs, laggyness of the game in general, devs unable to fix bugs, inability to fix broken mechanics for years, making only male armor wireframes now because its easier to do, devs pretty much patching and balancing once per quarter or less, devs using primary focus to crank out DLCs and crown store items for sale, the list goes on and on and on. I will say that ESO has the best quest lines that I've ever played in MMO's, so kudos to them for that.
You're the very definition of white knight. No matter what happens, you'll defend it with your dying breath, and tell other players how wrong they are and how they feel, when you have not a clue, and are extremely arrogant to even presume saying such things. You keep saying that I think ESO is the best MMO on the market right now, but I've said no such thing. We've played it heavy for 5 months, and are already getting ready to move on for various reasons stated above. We played GW2 for 2 years. WoW for 6 years. The lesser titles for much less time. If another good AAA MMO had been released sooner, we'd be gone now. We unsubbed from ESO two days ago. No more money for them.
You're arrogant enough to lecture me that my (our) unhappiness is "misplaced frustration". Keep on fighting the good fight Sir Knight. They definitely need players like you.
Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance. "Oh, no!!! Someone doesn't agree with me and thinks ESO is good!!! We must destroy the heretic!!!!!"
I cut my teeth in this genre with Ultima Online, then EverQuest, then:
Rift - played it Played it. Still do.
Dark Age of Camelot - Played it. Played it.
FFXIV - Dont like the franchise Love the franchise, but boring pretty quickly.
ARR - Not sure what that is. It stands for A Realm Reborn, signifying the complete rebuilding of FFXIV.
LotRO - Played it, but really didnt like the LOTR atmosphere Still play and love this game, I'm a Tolkien kid at heart, always will be. I even carry a bit of LotRO into my Elder Scrolls in that in my RP, my Elves are immortal just like in the world of Middle-Earth.
SWTOR - Played it Played it.
GW2 - Played it, was disappointed with the expansion Still play it.
Everquest - played it for 6 years Played for five, but it was some of the best time I've ever spent in an MMO.
WoW - Played it Played it until Cataclysm. Lost interest after that.
TERA - Played it Haven't tried this one.
BDO - Not interested No interest whatsoever.
ArchAge - Messed with it a little, and my buddies and I are actually contemplating going to that now.
Beta tested it. Played a bit after launch, but lost interest.
I never said you thought ESO was the best MMO on the market right now. I said that.
What I did say; was that there are a multitude of other AAA MMO's on the market right now. But yet you're still here and still play, even with all of those other options. So if those statements are true (and they are by your own admissions), then ESO simply cannot be as much of a disaster as you and the other detractors make the game out to be.
By your own words:
So ESO must be better than any of the other options amongst MMO's currently running if this is the view you put forth.Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released.
One step forward, three steps back? Opinion. There are quite a few people who would disagree with you, but I guess that if they do, they're a "White Knight" simply because they don't share your... disappointment with the current state of the game.
While I don't like the single-mesh for armor regardless of character sex either, this doesn't happen to be an issue for me as I only have one female character, and she wears Light Armor anyway, so this affects her none. Which is also why I haven't commented on the threads about said mesh change. It doesn't affect me. I don't like it, but it's of no consequence.
So, if you'd like; I can go to the stable of the Ivory Tower and get your High Horse ready for you m'Lord. Just let me know.
As for "waiting for a better title to come along", the calendar of future MMO's is pretty bleak right now. Better move on to one of those games above, or find other reasons to fall back in love with ESO. Because there's nothing else coming down the pipe for a bit.
Your move.
Dude, I don't understand what's so hard for you to understand. We've played the titles listed above. We either got bored with them, they ran their course, or we didn't like them. We're here playing ESO because it's a decent game, but with all the things that bug us about the way the dev team does things, we'll probably be moving along in the very near future. Probably back to one of the titles above. If another decent AAA title was released tomorrow, we'd be gone now. WE DO NOT THINK ESO IS THE "BEST" MMO OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST BOARD WITH ALL THE OTHERS. So 'bored with others' does not equal 'best MMO out there'. That's why we're here for now. That's it in a nutshell. It's not a hard concept to wrap your head around. And I do agree with you that the immediate future of MMOs is pretty bleak right now. Also I'll agree with your sentiment that Everquest was some of the best times I've ever had in an MMO.
My biggest argument with you is, you arrogant to the point that you are telling other players that what they are feeling is wrong, as if you're an MMO forum psychiatrist. We know how we feel, and why we feel it. Maybe white knight was the wrong word. I guess narcissistic was the word I'm looking for. It's ironic that you're attacking me since I don't agree with you. You think my view, and others like me (which their are MANY on this forum) are wrong and have no validity. How hypocritical.
This game has lot of things going for it, but IN MY OPINION (as many, many others on this forum) the dev team makes a lot of mistakes, and questionable decisions in so many areas. Maybe because they are a fledgling MMO design team, and they have money hungry bosses....who knows. You don't have to agree with that, and it's fine. As far as I'm concerned, we'll just agree to disagree, and move on. Happy hunting!
Thank you for retracting the "White Knight" name calling. I myslef apologize for calling you arrogant to the point of ignorance. That was outside of my character to do, so I apologize for it.
I can agree to disagree. Aside from the Female meshes on the new armor sets (which is apparently not intended and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom has already mentioned that a fix is being worked on), I rather like the direction that the game is going. I agree with you that ESO has some of the best Quests and Quest-structure of any MMO that I've played in a while, I am worried that the three-month release schedule is going to "burn out" the Devs.
But time will tell on that front. Hopefully (especially with so much Tamrielic landmass left to explore, we'll get a steady release of new areas for gentlemen like us to crawl over.
But I am sorry to hear that you and your mates are getting bored with the game. As you made mention (and this is not a stab at words you've authored), I don't find many issues with this game at all.
Indeed, since I got it on my PC two years ago (and again on my Xbox One months ago) I have really not played anything else. It has kept me "hooked and addicted" like the MMO's of this genre's "glory days" did in the past, and my wife and I can't wait to log in every night.
That said, I like to think I can still be objective about what is going on with this game, though sometimes I fail. I am, after all, mostly Human.
But I appreciate the issues that you are bringing up. Being able to voice those concerns only helps to make the game better over all.
So good luck to you and your mates. I hope that there's something in ESO's near future that reverses the boredom you're beginning to feel with the game.
I appreciate your response. I too apologize that we got so intense there. I just saw the dev post where they addressed the weird shaped female light armor wire frames. I'm glad they are looking at that. Hopefully, they'll get that straightened out.
I guess the biggest thing I wish the dev team would do, is bug fix and balance the game at least once per month, and not just when a new DLC is released. Though they do address some bugs with hotfixes. Trying to fix so many bugs, make balance changes, and release a new DLC is just too much to accomplish at one time. I think that's where I get my "one step forward and three steps back" comment. I think it makes them look like they're putting primary focus on getting the DLC out and sold, and not fixing/balancing existing issues. Compared to some other companies, they are a fledgling MMO company, and maybe it's going to take them far longer to get these things figured out than what many players think it should.
Again, I very much appreciate you last post. We're old-school MMO'ers. We should be on much more common ground. :-)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, but only because I can't see myself play more than one MMO. So I didn't vote.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.0 -
Bananko✭✭✭✭Yes, I would buy another ZOS title.WalkingLegacy wrote: »Who the hell sits there and says they hate ice cream and still eats it?
I've actually seen this occur, both with ice cream and with yogurt-covered raisins.
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✭✭Yes, I would buy another ZOS title.
Agreed.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
I can handle being labeled as a narcissist.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So, because I've been very happy with this game, and have none of the criticisms that you have, I'm a "White Knight"? BTW; your age is irrelevant to this discussion. I myself am 40 this year, and have been playing MMO's for just as long as you have. Hell, I've been "Gaming" since 1985 when I started with the Atari 2600 and the Commodore 64.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So...So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
This game has amazing potential, but I truly don't think it will ever be completely realized with the current dev team. It seems it's always one step forward, three steps back. When another "successful" MMO is released, we'll see where the rubber meets the road.
I've enjoyed playing ESO, but with a lot of frustration. More than any other MMO, and I started playing MMOs back in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released, and I've played quite a few of them. So please don't be arrogant enough to presume to say who's not being honest.
RIFT, FFXIV: ARR, LotRO, SWtOR, GW2... none of those are better options than ESO?
How then can ESO be such a disaster that, not only are you still playing it, but it's still "better" than any other MMO on the market right now?
The truthful answer is simple.
ESO is one of the best MMO's on the market right now. However; the game has made changes that are not specifically the changes that you might have made, so you're posting out of misplaced frustration.
I'm 50 years old. I started playing MMO's 17 years ago in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released. Even before then, I played Ultima Online for almost a year, so I guess that gives me almost 18 years of MMOing. How long have you been playing MMO's?
Rift - played it
Dark Age of Camelot - Played it
FFXIV - Dont like the franchise
ARR - Not sure what that is.
LotRO - Played it, but really didnt like the LOTR atmosphere
SWTOR - Played it
GW2 - Played it, was disappointed with the expansion
Everquest - played it for 6 years
WoW - Played it
TERA - Played it
BDO - Not interested
ArchAge - Messed with it a little, and my buddies and I are actually contemplating going to that now.
What else you got?
My friends and I play MMO's together. We've been playing ESO for about 5 months, and are already tired of the bugs, laggyness of the game in general, devs unable to fix bugs, inability to fix broken mechanics for years, making only male armor wireframes now because its easier to do, devs pretty much patching and balancing once per quarter or less, devs using primary focus to crank out DLCs and crown store items for sale, the list goes on and on and on. I will say that ESO has the best quest lines that I've ever played in MMO's, so kudos to them for that.
You're the very definition of white knight. No matter what happens, you'll defend it with your dying breath, and tell other players how wrong they are and how they feel, when you have not a clue, and are extremely arrogant to even presume saying such things. You keep saying that I think ESO is the best MMO on the market right now, but I've said no such thing. We've played it heavy for 5 months, and are already getting ready to move on for various reasons stated above. We played GW2 for 2 years. WoW for 6 years. The lesser titles for much less time. If another good AAA MMO had been released sooner, we'd be gone now. We unsubbed from ESO two days ago. No more money for them.
You're arrogant enough to lecture me that my (our) unhappiness is "misplaced frustration". Keep on fighting the good fight Sir Knight. They definitely need players like you.
Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance. "Oh, no!!! Someone doesn't agree with me and thinks ESO is good!!! We must destroy the heretic!!!!!"
I cut my teeth in this genre with Ultima Online, then EverQuest, then:
Rift - played it Played it. Still do.
Dark Age of Camelot - Played it. Played it.
FFXIV - Dont like the franchise Love the franchise, but boring pretty quickly.
ARR - Not sure what that is. It stands for A Realm Reborn, signifying the complete rebuilding of FFXIV.
LotRO - Played it, but really didnt like the LOTR atmosphere Still play and love this game, I'm a Tolkien kid at heart, always will be. I even carry a bit of LotRO into my Elder Scrolls in that in my RP, my Elves are immortal just like in the world of Middle-Earth.
SWTOR - Played it Played it.
GW2 - Played it, was disappointed with the expansion Still play it.
Everquest - played it for 6 years Played for five, but it was some of the best time I've ever spent in an MMO.
WoW - Played it Played it until Cataclysm. Lost interest after that.
TERA - Played it Haven't tried this one.
BDO - Not interested No interest whatsoever.
ArchAge - Messed with it a little, and my buddies and I are actually contemplating going to that now.
Beta tested it. Played a bit after launch, but lost interest.
I never said you thought ESO was the best MMO on the market right now. I said that.
What I did say; was that there are a multitude of other AAA MMO's on the market right now. But yet you're still here and still play, even with all of those other options. So if those statements are true (and they are by your own admissions), then ESO simply cannot be as much of a disaster as you and the other detractors make the game out to be.
By your own words:
So ESO must be better than any of the other options amongst MMO's currently running if this is the view you put forth.Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released.
One step forward, three steps back? Opinion. There are quite a few people who would disagree with you, but I guess that if they do, they're a "White Knight" simply because they don't share your... disappointment with the current state of the game.
While I don't like the single-mesh for armor regardless of character sex either, this doesn't happen to be an issue for me as I only have one female character, and she wears Light Armor anyway, so this affects her none. Which is also why I haven't commented on the threads about said mesh change. It doesn't affect me. I don't like it, but it's of no consequence.
So, if you'd like; I can go to the stable of the Ivory Tower and get your High Horse ready for you m'Lord. Just let me know.
As for "waiting for a better title to come along", the calendar of future MMO's is pretty bleak right now. Better move on to one of those games above, or find other reasons to fall back in love with ESO. Because there's nothing else coming down the pipe for a bit.
Your move.
Dude, I don't understand what's so hard for you to understand. We've played the titles listed above. We either got bored with them, they ran their course, or we didn't like them. We're here playing ESO because it's a decent game, but with all the things that bug us about the way the dev team does things, we'll probably be moving along in the very near future. Probably back to one of the titles above. If another decent AAA title was released tomorrow, we'd be gone now. WE DO NOT THINK ESO IS THE "BEST" MMO OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST BOARD WITH ALL THE OTHERS. So 'bored with others' does not equal 'best MMO out there'. That's why we're here for now. That's it in a nutshell. It's not a hard concept to wrap your head around. And I do agree with you that the immediate future of MMOs is pretty bleak right now. Also I'll agree with your sentiment that Everquest was some of the best times I've ever had in an MMO.
My biggest argument with you is, you arrogant to the point that you are telling other players that what they are feeling is wrong, as if you're an MMO forum psychiatrist. We know how we feel, and why we feel it. Maybe white knight was the wrong word. I guess narcissistic was the word I'm looking for. It's ironic that you're attacking me since I don't agree with you. You think my view, and others like me (which their are MANY on this forum) are wrong and have no validity. How hypocritical.
This game has lot of things going for it, but IN MY OPINION (as many, many others on this forum) the dev team makes a lot of mistakes, and questionable decisions in so many areas. Maybe because they are a fledgling MMO design team, and they have money hungry bosses....who knows. You don't have to agree with that, and it's fine. As far as I'm concerned, we'll just agree to disagree, and move on. Happy hunting!
Thank you for retracting the "White Knight" name calling. I myslef apologize for calling you arrogant to the point of ignorance. That was outside of my character to do, so I apologize for it.
I can agree to disagree. Aside from the Female meshes on the new armor sets (which is apparently not intended and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom has already mentioned that a fix is being worked on), I rather like the direction that the game is going. I agree with you that ESO has some of the best Quests and Quest-structure of any MMO that I've played in a while, I am worried that the three-month release schedule is going to "burn out" the Devs.
But time will tell on that front. Hopefully (especially with so much Tamrielic landmass left to explore, we'll get a steady release of new areas for gentlemen like us to crawl over.
But I am sorry to hear that you and your mates are getting bored with the game. As you made mention (and this is not a stab at words you've authored), I don't find many issues with this game at all.
Indeed, since I got it on my PC two years ago (and again on my Xbox One months ago) I have really not played anything else. It has kept me "hooked and addicted" like the MMO's of this genre's "glory days" did in the past, and my wife and I can't wait to log in every night.
That said, I like to think I can still be objective about what is going on with this game, though sometimes I fail. I am, after all, mostly Human.
But I appreciate the issues that you are bringing up. Being able to voice those concerns only helps to make the game better over all.
So good luck to you and your mates. I hope that there's something in ESO's near future that reverses the boredom you're beginning to feel with the game.
I appreciate your response. I too apologize that we got so intense there. I just saw the dev post where they addressed the weird shaped female light armor wire frames. I'm glad they are looking at that. Hopefully, they'll get that straightened out.
I guess the biggest thing I wish the dev team would do, is bug fix and balance the game at least once per month, and not just when a new DLC is released. Though they do address some bugs with hotfixes. Trying to fix so many bugs, make balance changes, and release a new DLC is just too much to accomplish at one time. I think that's where I get my "one step forward and three steps back" comment. I think it makes them look like they're putting primary focus on getting the DLC out and sold, and not fixing/balancing existing issues. Compared to some other companies, they are a fledgling MMO company, and maybe it's going to take them far longer to get these things figured out than what many players think it should.
Again, I very much appreciate you last post. We're old-school MMO'ers. We should be on much more common ground. :-)
And I think we do see more common ground than our original frustration led us to believe.
Bug fixing, as you know, is going to be a life-long process for this game as it is with every MMO. Most of the younger Gamers don't understand that. They think that Bugs/Glitches are a one-off process, and that it should be a simple point/click fix. I don't think they will ever be able to fully comprehend the soul-crushing bugs and glitches that were present at the beginning of this genre in every game. Some of the bugs/glitches in EverQuest, Ultima, and Asheron's Call were actually game-breaking until they were fixed. But even those games had numerous bugs every time there was an update or add-on.
Bug fixing will be a constant process. Only through the players reporting them in a very detailed fashion can the Devs get the vast majority of them found and fixed in a timely manner.
As far as balance... I don't think any game with a PvP aspect will ever be truly balanced. there's too much variation in player skill, character equipment, Skill load-outs, etc., ... I don't think the Devs will ever be able to account for every variable, thus true "balance" cannot be achieved. Much to the chagrin of most of the PvP gamers, I think the best the Devs can hope for (for any game, really) is to get closer to a base line, and then make sure that the PvP lag is fixed. But even that will require nigh constant server monitoring.
But I can see Zeni trying. I can see the honest effort to have a great MMO, and to make it the best it can be in the future. But I also see what you're saying, and agree. Personally, I think it might take them every bit of the next two years to fully get this MMO where it needs to be.
But when it gets there... it will be an even more amazing experience.
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✭No, I would not buy another ZOS title.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
It's an analogy.WalkingLegacy wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Yep... that's going to be the new "word of the day"...WalkingLegacy wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So...So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
This game has amazing potential, but I truly don't think it will ever be completely realized with the current dev team. It seems it's always one step forward, three steps back. When another "successful" MMO is released, we'll see where the rubber meets the road.
I've enjoyed playing ESO, but with a lot of frustration. More than any other MMO, and I started playing MMOs back in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released, and I've played quite a few of them. So panalogies't be arrogant enough to presume to say who's not being honest.
RIFT, FFXIV: ARR, LotRO, SWtOR, GW2... none of those are better options than ESO?
How then can ESO be such a disaster that, not only are you still playing it, but it's still "better" than any other MMO on the market right now?
The truthful answer is simple.
ESO is one of the best MMO's on the market right now. However; the game has made changes that are not specifically the changes that you might have made, so you're posting out of misplaced frustration.
Couldn't have said it better myself. forum whiners saying "OMG, I will NEVER go buy another game from this company AGAIN" are so laughable.
It's like a little kid that gets chocolate ice cream every night...then one night you run out of chocolate, and only have vanilla, and they don't like vanilla.
I'M NEVER EATING YOUR ICE CREAM AGAIN!!!!!! lol, so funny
Yep the kid stuffing his face with ice cream he claims he hates. They always have this "its us vs them" mentality too. Like if you arent protesting you are supporting "the man" keeping us down. Id buy another ZOS game in a heartbeat I really like the game. I take a ton of grief for it on the official forums because this is a tad of a cesspool most of the good players avoid. Watch podcasts like tales of tamriel etc. You will see there are far more people who enjoy the game than those who spew all this hatred on the forums.
You and the other white knights use some really stupid analogies. Ice cream has nothing to do with ESO. If you don't line ice cream, you don't eat it. Saying you hate ice cream is melodramatic. People have invested interest in MMOs and in TES...that's why a lot of people can stomach the issues right now. You clearly don't see the connection.
You call frustrated feedback hate because you disagree with it. People have a right after being spoon-fed hope to be frustrated at this point. The spoonful of hope is really *** masked behind the promise to try and make everyone happy.
Wonder how many more times it's going to be used to refute an argument for ESO rather than actually arguing a point that has merit?
PSA: Logical Fallacies inbound!!! TAKE COVER!!!!Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
No there's not... he completely missed the point of the analogy, and he's using at least three logical fallacies to try to cover up that he missed the point of the analogy.WalkingLegacy wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So...So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
This game has amazing potential, but I truly don't think it will ever be completely realized with the current dev team. It seems it's always one step forward, three steps back. When another "successful" MMO is released, we'll see where the rubber meets the road.
I've enjoyed playing ESO, but with a lot of frustration. More than any other MMO, and I started playing MMOs back in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released, and I've played quite a few of them. So panalogies't be arrogant enough to presume to say who's not being honest.
RIFT, FFXIV: ARR, LotRO, SWtOR, GW2... none of those are better options than ESO?
How then can ESO be such a disaster that, not only are you still playing it, but it's still "better" than any other MMO on the market right now?
The truthful answer is simple.
ESO is one of the best MMO's on the market right now. However; the game has made changes that are not specifically the changes that you might have made, so you're posting out of misplaced frustration.
Couldn't have said it better myself. forum whiners saying "OMG, I will NEVER go buy another game from this company AGAIN" are so laughable.
It's like a little kid that gets chocolate ice cream every night...then one night you run out of chocolate, and only have vanilla, and they don't like vanilla.
I'M NEVER EATING YOUR ICE CREAM AGAIN!!!!!! lol, so funny
Yep the kid stuffing his face with ice cream he claims he hates. They always have this "its us vs them" mentality too. Like if you arent protesting you are supporting "the man" keeping us down. Id buy another ZOS game in a heartbeat I really like the game. I take a ton of grief for it on the official forums because this is a tad of a cesspool most of the good players avoid. Watch podcasts like tales of tamriel etc. You will see there are far more people who enjoy the game than those who spew all this hatred on the forums.
You and the other white knights use some really stupid analogies. Ice cream has nothing to do with ESO. If you don't line ice cream, you don't eat it. Saying you hate ice cream is melodramatic. People have invested interest in MMOs and in TES...that's why a lot of people can stomach the issues right now. You clearly don't see the connection.
You call frustrated feedback hate because you disagree with it. People have a right after being spoon-fed hope to be frustrated at this point. The spoonful of hope is really *** masked behind the promise to try and make everyone happy.
So much truth is this post right here... O_O
sheesh...
You're using logical fallacies wrong.
The point of the analgoy is stupid. Who the hell sits there and says they hate ice cream and still eats it? Did you read where I said you have vested interest in an MMO AND TES?
Do you have vested interest in ice cream? Not unless you have problems.
A certain amount of imagination is required with an analogy. The fact that you're trying to make it a literal example rather than trying to understand the analogy points to a deficiency on you, not the gentleman who made the analogy.
As for the logical fallacies: School yourself
Boom.
You're such a joke.
You can use this argument with anything. You chose to use it here because you do not agree with anyone's frustration. Like a politician pretending nothing is wrong.
The analogy is bad. So bad. No one from what I have read has said they hate the game. No one. They're voicing their frustration. It's ***. Again, you're choosing not to see the connection with invested interest.
Food analogies do not belong here.WalkingLegacy wrote: »Who the hell sits there and says they hate ice cream and still eats it?
I've actually seen this occur, both with ice cream and with yogurt-covered raisins.
That sounds like a personal problem with the individual.4 -
Serkazong✭✭Yes, I would buy another ZOS title.Yes I would. Depending on the world.
I love ZOS for their philosophy in:
Gear - crafted gear is very good, there is no huge grind to get it. Yes better gear is available through grinding, but those aren't too big, and it isn't mandatory gear, just desirable.
Grouping - I love the scaling they do, and now cross faction groups.
Alt Friendly - I love the champion point system being so alt-friendly.
Quests - quests in ESO are interesting (well, more than other games I've played). Instead of 10 quests to clean up x piles of trash, kill x mobs, and deliver x rations, ESO takes you into an area and tells one complete story.
Combat - holy cow, this is my favorite aspect. Other MMO's I've played are the select a target and then select skills variety. ESO requires movement, blocking, interrupting, and those aren't just skills you press.
Trash mobs - I love that the entire landscape isn't filled with trash mobs every 5 meters.
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Villious✭✭✭No, I would not buy another ZOS title.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Agreed.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
I can handle being labeled as a narcissist.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So, because I've been very happy with this game, and have none of the criticisms that you have, I'm a "White Knight"? BTW; your age is irrelevant to this discussion. I myself am 40 this year, and have been playing MMO's for just as long as you have. Hell, I've been "Gaming" since 1985 when I started with the Atari 2600 and the Commodore 64.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So...So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
This game has amazing potential, but I truly don't think it will ever be completely realized with the current dev team. It seems it's always one step forward, three steps back. When another "successful" MMO is released, we'll see where the rubber meets the road.
I've enjoyed playing ESO, but with a lot of frustration. More than any other MMO, and I started playing MMOs back in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released, and I've played quite a few of them. So please don't be arrogant enough to presume to say who's not being honest.
RIFT, FFXIV: ARR, LotRO, SWtOR, GW2... none of those are better options than ESO?
How then can ESO be such a disaster that, not only are you still playing it, but it's still "better" than any other MMO on the market right now?
The truthful answer is simple.
ESO is one of the best MMO's on the market right now. However; the game has made changes that are not specifically the changes that you might have made, so you're posting out of misplaced frustration.
I'm 50 years old. I started playing MMO's 17 years ago in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released. Even before then, I played Ultima Online for almost a year, so I guess that gives me almost 18 years of MMOing. How long have you been playing MMO's?
Rift - played it
Dark Age of Camelot - Played it
FFXIV - Dont like the franchise
ARR - Not sure what that is.
LotRO - Played it, but really didnt like the LOTR atmosphere
SWTOR - Played it
GW2 - Played it, was disappointed with the expansion
Everquest - played it for 6 years
WoW - Played it
TERA - Played it
BDO - Not interested
ArchAge - Messed with it a little, and my buddies and I are actually contemplating going to that now.
What else you got?
My friends and I play MMO's together. We've been playing ESO for about 5 months, and are already tired of the bugs, laggyness of the game in general, devs unable to fix bugs, inability to fix broken mechanics for years, making only male armor wireframes now because its easier to do, devs pretty much patching and balancing once per quarter or less, devs using primary focus to crank out DLCs and crown store items for sale, the list goes on and on and on. I will say that ESO has the best quest lines that I've ever played in MMO's, so kudos to them for that.
You're the very definition of white knight. No matter what happens, you'll defend it with your dying breath, and tell other players how wrong they are and how they feel, when you have not a clue, and are extremely arrogant to even presume saying such things. You keep saying that I think ESO is the best MMO on the market right now, but I've said no such thing. We've played it heavy for 5 months, and are already getting ready to move on for various reasons stated above. We played GW2 for 2 years. WoW for 6 years. The lesser titles for much less time. If another good AAA MMO had been released sooner, we'd be gone now. We unsubbed from ESO two days ago. No more money for them.
You're arrogant enough to lecture me that my (our) unhappiness is "misplaced frustration". Keep on fighting the good fight Sir Knight. They definitely need players like you.
Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance. "Oh, no!!! Someone doesn't agree with me and thinks ESO is good!!! We must destroy the heretic!!!!!"
I cut my teeth in this genre with Ultima Online, then EverQuest, then:
Rift - played it Played it. Still do.
Dark Age of Camelot - Played it. Played it.
FFXIV - Dont like the franchise Love the franchise, but boring pretty quickly.
ARR - Not sure what that is. It stands for A Realm Reborn, signifying the complete rebuilding of FFXIV.
LotRO - Played it, but really didnt like the LOTR atmosphere Still play and love this game, I'm a Tolkien kid at heart, always will be. I even carry a bit of LotRO into my Elder Scrolls in that in my RP, my Elves are immortal just like in the world of Middle-Earth.
SWTOR - Played it Played it.
GW2 - Played it, was disappointed with the expansion Still play it.
Everquest - played it for 6 years Played for five, but it was some of the best time I've ever spent in an MMO.
WoW - Played it Played it until Cataclysm. Lost interest after that.
TERA - Played it Haven't tried this one.
BDO - Not interested No interest whatsoever.
ArchAge - Messed with it a little, and my buddies and I are actually contemplating going to that now.
Beta tested it. Played a bit after launch, but lost interest.
I never said you thought ESO was the best MMO on the market right now. I said that.
What I did say; was that there are a multitude of other AAA MMO's on the market right now. But yet you're still here and still play, even with all of those other options. So if those statements are true (and they are by your own admissions), then ESO simply cannot be as much of a disaster as you and the other detractors make the game out to be.
By your own words:
So ESO must be better than any of the other options amongst MMO's currently running if this is the view you put forth.Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released.
One step forward, three steps back? Opinion. There are quite a few people who would disagree with you, but I guess that if they do, they're a "White Knight" simply because they don't share your... disappointment with the current state of the game.
While I don't like the single-mesh for armor regardless of character sex either, this doesn't happen to be an issue for me as I only have one female character, and she wears Light Armor anyway, so this affects her none. Which is also why I haven't commented on the threads about said mesh change. It doesn't affect me. I don't like it, but it's of no consequence.
So, if you'd like; I can go to the stable of the Ivory Tower and get your High Horse ready for you m'Lord. Just let me know.
As for "waiting for a better title to come along", the calendar of future MMO's is pretty bleak right now. Better move on to one of those games above, or find other reasons to fall back in love with ESO. Because there's nothing else coming down the pipe for a bit.
Your move.
Dude, I don't understand what's so hard for you to understand. We've played the titles listed above. We either got bored with them, they ran their course, or we didn't like them. We're here playing ESO because it's a decent game, but with all the things that bug us about the way the dev team does things, we'll probably be moving along in the very near future. Probably back to one of the titles above. If another decent AAA title was released tomorrow, we'd be gone now. WE DO NOT THINK ESO IS THE "BEST" MMO OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST BOARD WITH ALL THE OTHERS. So 'bored with others' does not equal 'best MMO out there'. That's why we're here for now. That's it in a nutshell. It's not a hard concept to wrap your head around. And I do agree with you that the immediate future of MMOs is pretty bleak right now. Also I'll agree with your sentiment that Everquest was some of the best times I've ever had in an MMO.
My biggest argument with you is, you arrogant to the point that you are telling other players that what they are feeling is wrong, as if you're an MMO forum psychiatrist. We know how we feel, and why we feel it. Maybe white knight was the wrong word. I guess narcissistic was the word I'm looking for. It's ironic that you're attacking me since I don't agree with you. You think my view, and others like me (which their are MANY on this forum) are wrong and have no validity. How hypocritical.
This game has lot of things going for it, but IN MY OPINION (as many, many others on this forum) the dev team makes a lot of mistakes, and questionable decisions in so many areas. Maybe because they are a fledgling MMO design team, and they have money hungry bosses....who knows. You don't have to agree with that, and it's fine. As far as I'm concerned, we'll just agree to disagree, and move on. Happy hunting!
Thank you for retracting the "White Knight" name calling. I myslef apologize for calling you arrogant to the point of ignorance. That was outside of my character to do, so I apologize for it.
I can agree to disagree. Aside from the Female meshes on the new armor sets (which is apparently not intended and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom has already mentioned that a fix is being worked on), I rather like the direction that the game is going. I agree with you that ESO has some of the best Quests and Quest-structure of any MMO that I've played in a while, I am worried that the three-month release schedule is going to "burn out" the Devs.
But time will tell on that front. Hopefully (especially with so much Tamrielic landmass left to explore, we'll get a steady release of new areas for gentlemen like us to crawl over.
But I am sorry to hear that you and your mates are getting bored with the game. As you made mention (and this is not a stab at words you've authored), I don't find many issues with this game at all.
Indeed, since I got it on my PC two years ago (and again on my Xbox One months ago) I have really not played anything else. It has kept me "hooked and addicted" like the MMO's of this genre's "glory days" did in the past, and my wife and I can't wait to log in every night.
That said, I like to think I can still be objective about what is going on with this game, though sometimes I fail. I am, after all, mostly Human.
But I appreciate the issues that you are bringing up. Being able to voice those concerns only helps to make the game better over all.
So good luck to you and your mates. I hope that there's something in ESO's near future that reverses the boredom you're beginning to feel with the game.
I appreciate your response. I too apologize that we got so intense there. I just saw the dev post where they addressed the weird shaped female light armor wire frames. I'm glad they are looking at that. Hopefully, they'll get that straightened out.
I guess the biggest thing I wish the dev team would do, is bug fix and balance the game at least once per month, and not just when a new DLC is released. Though they do address some bugs with hotfixes. Trying to fix so many bugs, make balance changes, and release a new DLC is just too much to accomplish at one time. I think that's where I get my "one step forward and three steps back" comment. I think it makes them look like they're putting primary focus on getting the DLC out and sold, and not fixing/balancing existing issues. Compared to some other companies, they are a fledgling MMO company, and maybe it's going to take them far longer to get these things figured out than what many players think it should.
Again, I very much appreciate you last post. We're old-school MMO'ers. We should be on much more common ground. :-)
And I think we do see more common ground than our original frustration led us to believe.
Bug fixing, as you know, is going to be a life-long process for this game as it is with every MMO. Most of the younger Gamers don't understand that. They think that Bugs/Glitches are a one-off process, and that it should be a simple point/click fix. I don't think they will ever be able to fully comprehend the soul-crushing bugs and glitches that were present at the beginning of this genre in every game. Some of the bugs/glitches in EverQuest, Ultima, and Asheron's Call were actually game-breaking until they were fixed. But even those games had numerous bugs every time there was an update or add-on.
Bug fixing will be a constant process. Only through the players reporting them in a very detailed fashion can the Devs get the vast majority of them found and fixed in a timely manner.
As far as balance... I don't think any game with a PvP aspect will ever be truly balanced. there's too much variation in player skill, character equipment, Skill load-outs, etc., ... I don't think the Devs will ever be able to account for every variable, thus true "balance" cannot be achieved. Much to the chagrin of most of the PvP gamers, I think the best the Devs can hope for (for any game, really) is to get closer to a base line, and then make sure that the PvP lag is fixed. But even that will require nigh constant server monitoring.
But I can see Zeni trying. I can see the honest effort to have a great MMO, and to make it the best it can be in the future. But I also see what you're saying, and agree. Personally, I think it might take them every bit of the next two years to fully get this MMO where it needs to be.
But when it gets there... it will be an even more amazing experience.
Ahh.... Asheron's Call. I forgot about that one!
I agree with your above post. I think sometimes, when we look back on past games such as Everquest, we only remember the great aspects of the game, even though it had it's fair share of issues. Also, I think if they could get the lag in Cyrodill under control, it would go a long way. I've never been a big PvPer, but have been enjoying the PvP in this game.1 -
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✭✭Yes, I would buy another ZOS title.
Yeah... I'm not really a fan of the PvP at all.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Agreed.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
I can handle being labeled as a narcissist.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So, because I've been very happy with this game, and have none of the criticisms that you have, I'm a "White Knight"? BTW; your age is irrelevant to this discussion. I myself am 40 this year, and have been playing MMO's for just as long as you have. Hell, I've been "Gaming" since 1985 when I started with the Atari 2600 and the Commodore 64.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So...So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
This game has amazing potential, but I truly don't think it will ever be completely realized with the current dev team. It seems it's always one step forward, three steps back. When another "successful" MMO is released, we'll see where the rubber meets the road.
I've enjoyed playing ESO, but with a lot of frustration. More than any other MMO, and I started playing MMOs back in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released, and I've played quite a few of them. So please don't be arrogant enough to presume to say who's not being honest.
RIFT, FFXIV: ARR, LotRO, SWtOR, GW2... none of those are better options than ESO?
How then can ESO be such a disaster that, not only are you still playing it, but it's still "better" than any other MMO on the market right now?
The truthful answer is simple.
ESO is one of the best MMO's on the market right now. However; the game has made changes that are not specifically the changes that you might have made, so you're posting out of misplaced frustration.
I'm 50 years old. I started playing MMO's 17 years ago in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released. Even before then, I played Ultima Online for almost a year, so I guess that gives me almost 18 years of MMOing. How long have you been playing MMO's?
Rift - played it
Dark Age of Camelot - Played it
FFXIV - Dont like the franchise
ARR - Not sure what that is.
LotRO - Played it, but really didnt like the LOTR atmosphere
SWTOR - Played it
GW2 - Played it, was disappointed with the expansion
Everquest - played it for 6 years
WoW - Played it
TERA - Played it
BDO - Not interested
ArchAge - Messed with it a little, and my buddies and I are actually contemplating going to that now.
What else you got?
My friends and I play MMO's together. We've been playing ESO for about 5 months, and are already tired of the bugs, laggyness of the game in general, devs unable to fix bugs, inability to fix broken mechanics for years, making only male armor wireframes now because its easier to do, devs pretty much patching and balancing once per quarter or less, devs using primary focus to crank out DLCs and crown store items for sale, the list goes on and on and on. I will say that ESO has the best quest lines that I've ever played in MMO's, so kudos to them for that.
You're the very definition of white knight. No matter what happens, you'll defend it with your dying breath, and tell other players how wrong they are and how they feel, when you have not a clue, and are extremely arrogant to even presume saying such things. You keep saying that I think ESO is the best MMO on the market right now, but I've said no such thing. We've played it heavy for 5 months, and are already getting ready to move on for various reasons stated above. We played GW2 for 2 years. WoW for 6 years. The lesser titles for much less time. If another good AAA MMO had been released sooner, we'd be gone now. We unsubbed from ESO two days ago. No more money for them.
You're arrogant enough to lecture me that my (our) unhappiness is "misplaced frustration". Keep on fighting the good fight Sir Knight. They definitely need players like you.
Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance. "Oh, no!!! Someone doesn't agree with me and thinks ESO is good!!! We must destroy the heretic!!!!!"
I cut my teeth in this genre with Ultima Online, then EverQuest, then:
Rift - played it Played it. Still do.
Dark Age of Camelot - Played it. Played it.
FFXIV - Dont like the franchise Love the franchise, but boring pretty quickly.
ARR - Not sure what that is. It stands for A Realm Reborn, signifying the complete rebuilding of FFXIV.
LotRO - Played it, but really didnt like the LOTR atmosphere Still play and love this game, I'm a Tolkien kid at heart, always will be. I even carry a bit of LotRO into my Elder Scrolls in that in my RP, my Elves are immortal just like in the world of Middle-Earth.
SWTOR - Played it Played it.
GW2 - Played it, was disappointed with the expansion Still play it.
Everquest - played it for 6 years Played for five, but it was some of the best time I've ever spent in an MMO.
WoW - Played it Played it until Cataclysm. Lost interest after that.
TERA - Played it Haven't tried this one.
BDO - Not interested No interest whatsoever.
ArchAge - Messed with it a little, and my buddies and I are actually contemplating going to that now.
Beta tested it. Played a bit after launch, but lost interest.
I never said you thought ESO was the best MMO on the market right now. I said that.
What I did say; was that there are a multitude of other AAA MMO's on the market right now. But yet you're still here and still play, even with all of those other options. So if those statements are true (and they are by your own admissions), then ESO simply cannot be as much of a disaster as you and the other detractors make the game out to be.
By your own words:
So ESO must be better than any of the other options amongst MMO's currently running if this is the view you put forth.Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released.
One step forward, three steps back? Opinion. There are quite a few people who would disagree with you, but I guess that if they do, they're a "White Knight" simply because they don't share your... disappointment with the current state of the game.
While I don't like the single-mesh for armor regardless of character sex either, this doesn't happen to be an issue for me as I only have one female character, and she wears Light Armor anyway, so this affects her none. Which is also why I haven't commented on the threads about said mesh change. It doesn't affect me. I don't like it, but it's of no consequence.
So, if you'd like; I can go to the stable of the Ivory Tower and get your High Horse ready for you m'Lord. Just let me know.
As for "waiting for a better title to come along", the calendar of future MMO's is pretty bleak right now. Better move on to one of those games above, or find other reasons to fall back in love with ESO. Because there's nothing else coming down the pipe for a bit.
Your move.
Dude, I don't understand what's so hard for you to understand. We've played the titles listed above. We either got bored with them, they ran their course, or we didn't like them. We're here playing ESO because it's a decent game, but with all the things that bug us about the way the dev team does things, we'll probably be moving along in the very near future. Probably back to one of the titles above. If another decent AAA title was released tomorrow, we'd be gone now. WE DO NOT THINK ESO IS THE "BEST" MMO OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST BOARD WITH ALL THE OTHERS. So 'bored with others' does not equal 'best MMO out there'. That's why we're here for now. That's it in a nutshell. It's not a hard concept to wrap your head around. And I do agree with you that the immediate future of MMOs is pretty bleak right now. Also I'll agree with your sentiment that Everquest was some of the best times I've ever had in an MMO.
My biggest argument with you is, you arrogant to the point that you are telling other players that what they are feeling is wrong, as if you're an MMO forum psychiatrist. We know how we feel, and why we feel it. Maybe white knight was the wrong word. I guess narcissistic was the word I'm looking for. It's ironic that you're attacking me since I don't agree with you. You think my view, and others like me (which their are MANY on this forum) are wrong and have no validity. How hypocritical.
This game has lot of things going for it, but IN MY OPINION (as many, many others on this forum) the dev team makes a lot of mistakes, and questionable decisions in so many areas. Maybe because they are a fledgling MMO design team, and they have money hungry bosses....who knows. You don't have to agree with that, and it's fine. As far as I'm concerned, we'll just agree to disagree, and move on. Happy hunting!
Thank you for retracting the "White Knight" name calling. I myslef apologize for calling you arrogant to the point of ignorance. That was outside of my character to do, so I apologize for it.
I can agree to disagree. Aside from the Female meshes on the new armor sets (which is apparently not intended and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom has already mentioned that a fix is being worked on), I rather like the direction that the game is going. I agree with you that ESO has some of the best Quests and Quest-structure of any MMO that I've played in a while, I am worried that the three-month release schedule is going to "burn out" the Devs.
But time will tell on that front. Hopefully (especially with so much Tamrielic landmass left to explore, we'll get a steady release of new areas for gentlemen like us to crawl over.
But I am sorry to hear that you and your mates are getting bored with the game. As you made mention (and this is not a stab at words you've authored), I don't find many issues with this game at all.
Indeed, since I got it on my PC two years ago (and again on my Xbox One months ago) I have really not played anything else. It has kept me "hooked and addicted" like the MMO's of this genre's "glory days" did in the past, and my wife and I can't wait to log in every night.
That said, I like to think I can still be objective about what is going on with this game, though sometimes I fail. I am, after all, mostly Human.
But I appreciate the issues that you are bringing up. Being able to voice those concerns only helps to make the game better over all.
So good luck to you and your mates. I hope that there's something in ESO's near future that reverses the boredom you're beginning to feel with the game.
I appreciate your response. I too apologize that we got so intense there. I just saw the dev post where they addressed the weird shaped female light armor wire frames. I'm glad they are looking at that. Hopefully, they'll get that straightened out.
I guess the biggest thing I wish the dev team would do, is bug fix and balance the game at least once per month, and not just when a new DLC is released. Though they do address some bugs with hotfixes. Trying to fix so many bugs, make balance changes, and release a new DLC is just too much to accomplish at one time. I think that's where I get my "one step forward and three steps back" comment. I think it makes them look like they're putting primary focus on getting the DLC out and sold, and not fixing/balancing existing issues. Compared to some other companies, they are a fledgling MMO company, and maybe it's going to take them far longer to get these things figured out than what many players think it should.
Again, I very much appreciate you last post. We're old-school MMO'ers. We should be on much more common ground. :-)
And I think we do see more common ground than our original frustration led us to believe.
Bug fixing, as you know, is going to be a life-long process for this game as it is with every MMO. Most of the younger Gamers don't understand that. They think that Bugs/Glitches are a one-off process, and that it should be a simple point/click fix. I don't think they will ever be able to fully comprehend the soul-crushing bugs and glitches that were present at the beginning of this genre in every game. Some of the bugs/glitches in EverQuest, Ultima, and Asheron's Call were actually game-breaking until they were fixed. But even those games had numerous bugs every time there was an update or add-on.
Bug fixing will be a constant process. Only through the players reporting them in a very detailed fashion can the Devs get the vast majority of them found and fixed in a timely manner.
As far as balance... I don't think any game with a PvP aspect will ever be truly balanced. there's too much variation in player skill, character equipment, Skill load-outs, etc., ... I don't think the Devs will ever be able to account for every variable, thus true "balance" cannot be achieved. Much to the chagrin of most of the PvP gamers, I think the best the Devs can hope for (for any game, really) is to get closer to a base line, and then make sure that the PvP lag is fixed. But even that will require nigh constant server monitoring.
But I can see Zeni trying. I can see the honest effort to have a great MMO, and to make it the best it can be in the future. But I also see what you're saying, and agree. Personally, I think it might take them every bit of the next two years to fully get this MMO where it needs to be.
But when it gets there... it will be an even more amazing experience.
Ahh.... Asheron's Call. I forgot about that one!
I agree with your above post. I think sometimes, when we look back on past games such as Everquest, we only remember the great aspects of the game, even though it had it's fair share of issues. Also, I think if they could get the lag in Cyrodill under control, it would go a long way. I've never been a big PvPer, but have been enjoying the PvP in this game.
Not for the mechanics or anything, those are fine. I think it's just a subconscious thing on my part. I loved MMO's before any of them had any type of PvP content. They were PvE only, and that still rings pretty much true for me.
I really only ever play PvE, and the only reason I go into Cyrodiil is to get the Skyshards and for the City PvE Quests there.
But even doing that, I experience the lag, and I specifically choose the less populated Campaigns when I log into Cyrodiil. If I'm doing just PvE in the PvP area, and I've purposefully chosen a sparsely populated server, but I'm still getting lag? Yeah, they fix the lag in Cyro and it will improve that experience by leagues.
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✭✭✭Depends on the title. Considering their name is ZeniMax Online Studios, it is likely that I would not be interested in a new game. They only have one game right now and it is an MMO. I'm not interested in MMOs in general, so I probably would not have any interest in their next game, if ZOS continues to exist post ESO.
If it was a Fallout MMO I would buy it is a second.0 -
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I find the 'lack of better options' comment interesting. If nothing better is out there, does that mean that you represent a demographic that is not big enough to be worth the effort to design for?So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
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I assume you are playing ESO for the large scale PvP, because that seems to be a feature with few alternatives.
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✭Yes, I would buy another ZOS title.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So...So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
This game has amazing potential, but I truly don't think it will ever be completely realized with the current dev team. It seems it's always one step forward, three steps back. When another "successful" MMO is released, we'll see where the rubber meets the road.
I've enjoyed playing ESO, but with a lot of frustration. More than any other MMO, and I started playing MMOs back in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released, and I've played quite a few of them. So please don't be arrogant enough to presume to say who's not being honest.
RIFT, FFXIV: ARR, LotRO, SWtOR, GW2... none of those are better options than ESO?
How then can ESO be such a disaster that, not only are you still playing it, but it's still "better" than any other MMO on the market right now?
The truthful answer is simple.
ESO is one of the best MMO's on the market right now. However; the game has made changes that are not specifically the changes that you might have made, so you're posting out of misplaced frustration.
It very well may be, but in the same way there is the best slot machine i Las Vegas.
As for the market, right now it is pretty much just converting money into loads of hype and a bit of early, but paid accesses.Edited by JamilaRaj on April 6, 2016 5:09PM1 -
KaleidoscopeEyz✭✭✭✭Yes, I would buy another ZOS title.Anyone who said "No" is a liar. Get real. You play their game and post on their forums. Recognize dependency much? You'd eat up anything they put out and you don't even know it.4 -
Villious✭✭✭No, I would not buy another ZOS title.DaveMoeDee wrote: »
I find the 'lack of better options' comment interesting. If nothing better is out there, does that mean that you represent a demographic that is not big enough to be worth the effort to design for?So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
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I assume you are playing ESO for the large scale PvP, because that seems to be a feature with few alternatives.
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Villious✭✭✭No, I would not buy another ZOS title.KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »Anyone who said "No" is a liar. Get real. You play their game and post on their forums. Recognize dependency much? You'd eat up anything they put out and you don't even know it.
Obvious troll is obvious. Either that, or you lack the capability to understand more advanced conversations and topics.Edited by Villious on April 6, 2016 6:05PM8 -
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✭✭Yes, I would buy another ZOS title.
He's just looking for attention.KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »Anyone who said "No" is a liar. Get real. You play their game and post on their forums. Recognize dependency much? You'd eat up anything they put out and you don't even know it.
Obvious troll is obvious. Either that, or you lack the capability to understand more advanced conversations and topics.
Ignore and move along. There's too little time to mess with people being willfully ignorant.
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Necrelios✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I would buy another ZOS title.I feel like ESO has probably been a big learning and growing experience for those behind it, and as the new challenges are overcome I can optimistically hope this is paving the way for a smoother ride in the future. That being said, with the lessons learned from making ESO and the experience gained as a whole, I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do next.Terms & Conditions ["We revoke permission to fictional legal constructs or private/public persons for selling of any private data, censorship, surveillance, personage or conversion as a trespass of law. We prohibit the practice of "procedural law" or corporate statues in place of divine law."]1 -
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✭✭Yes, I would buy another ZOS title.I went ahead and voted "Yes", although it greatly depends on what the next game would be exactly. I'm not much into games like "Counterstrike" for example I'm not a fanboy, but for the most part, I still enjoy playing ESO. I still have fun running dungeons with my guildies, exploring the zones, playing the game with my wife, looking forward to possible new content like Dark Brotherhood or Clockwork City, etc. However, I will get out the 2 x 4 to use on some of the bone headed decisions they have made recently concerning balancing, 5K Assistants, game performance, etc. I will continue to play the game while it's still enjoyable. But when the frustration level increases too much where the game is not "Fun" anymore, then that's when I head to the Unsub screen. 0 -
Epsilon_Echo✭✭✭✭No, I would not buy another ZOS title.It's been almost a year since I've actively played. I still check the forums ever now and then. I was waiting for the game to improve our just shut down so I could just forget about it. The fact that almost 60% of players here wouldn't even trust a new title from these guys pretty much seals the deal. I had alot invested in this game. Still makes me sad some days.3 -
flguy147ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭No, I would not buy another ZOS title.No, the only reason i am playing now is cause i am on PS4 and dont have my PC anymore so i have basically no options for MMOs at the moment. But i have only played once now in 10 days due to performance. It is literally unplayable for me right now. Definitely waiting to see more on Conan Exiles or i may buy another PC if Camelot Unchained turns out to be really good.1
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Tommy1979AtWar✭✭✭✭No, I would not buy another ZOS title.Regardless of how anyone voted I'm sure most of us just want the same thing and that is for the game to be fixed, balanced and as bug free as possible, 61% voting "No, I would not buy another ZOS title." should hopefully be a sobering point made to zos, also noting the amount of yes votes who have "depends" or "maybe if" etc in their posts should be too.
So many customers losing faith in company can't be a good thing, I personally no longer buy EA or Ubisoft because of the very reasons many have listed about the direction zos is heading and I know I'm not the only one.
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✭✭✭✭No, I would not buy another ZOS title.The poll results speak for themselves.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Yeah... I'm not really a fan of the PvP at all.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Agreed.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
I can handle being labeled as a narcissist.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So, because I've been very happy with this game, and have none of the criticisms that you have, I'm a "White Knight"? BTW; your age is irrelevant to this discussion. I myself am 40 this year, and have been playing MMO's for just as long as you have. Hell, I've been "Gaming" since 1985 when I started with the Atari 2600 and the Commodore 64.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So...So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
This game has amazing potential, but I truly don't think it will ever be completely realized with the current dev team. It seems it's always one step forward, three steps back. When another "successful" MMO is released, we'll see where the rubber meets the road.
I've enjoyed playing ESO, but with a lot of frustration. More than any other MMO, and I started playing MMOs back in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released, and I've played quite a few of them. So please don't be arrogant enough to presume to say who's not being honest.
RIFT, FFXIV: ARR, LotRO, SWtOR, GW2... none of those are better options than ESO?
How then can ESO be such a disaster that, not only are you still playing it, but it's still "better" than any other MMO on the market right now?
The truthful answer is simple.
ESO is one of the best MMO's on the market right now. However; the game has made changes that are not specifically the changes that you might have made, so you're posting out of misplaced frustration.
I'm 50 years old. I started playing MMO's 17 years ago in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released. Even before then, I played Ultima Online for almost a year, so I guess that gives me almost 18 years of MMOing. How long have you been playing MMO's?
Rift - played it
Dark Age of Camelot - Played it
FFXIV - Dont like the franchise
ARR - Not sure what that is.
LotRO - Played it, but really didnt like the LOTR atmosphere
SWTOR - Played it
GW2 - Played it, was disappointed with the expansion
Everquest - played it for 6 years
WoW - Played it
TERA - Played it
BDO - Not interested
ArchAge - Messed with it a little, and my buddies and I are actually contemplating going to that now.
What else you got?
My friends and I play MMO's together. We've been playing ESO for about 5 months, and are already tired of the bugs, laggyness of the game in general, devs unable to fix bugs, inability to fix broken mechanics for years, making only male armor wireframes now because its easier to do, devs pretty much patching and balancing once per quarter or less, devs using primary focus to crank out DLCs and crown store items for sale, the list goes on and on and on. I will say that ESO has the best quest lines that I've ever played in MMO's, so kudos to them for that.
You're the very definition of white knight. No matter what happens, you'll defend it with your dying breath, and tell other players how wrong they are and how they feel, when you have not a clue, and are extremely arrogant to even presume saying such things. You keep saying that I think ESO is the best MMO on the market right now, but I've said no such thing. We've played it heavy for 5 months, and are already getting ready to move on for various reasons stated above. We played GW2 for 2 years. WoW for 6 years. The lesser titles for much less time. If another good AAA MMO had been released sooner, we'd be gone now. We unsubbed from ESO two days ago. No more money for them.
You're arrogant enough to lecture me that my (our) unhappiness is "misplaced frustration". Keep on fighting the good fight Sir Knight. They definitely need players like you.
Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance. "Oh, no!!! Someone doesn't agree with me and thinks ESO is good!!! We must destroy the heretic!!!!!"
I cut my teeth in this genre with Ultima Online, then EverQuest, then:
Rift - played it Played it. Still do.
Dark Age of Camelot - Played it. Played it.
FFXIV - Dont like the franchise Love the franchise, but boring pretty quickly.
ARR - Not sure what that is. It stands for A Realm Reborn, signifying the complete rebuilding of FFXIV.
LotRO - Played it, but really didnt like the LOTR atmosphere Still play and love this game, I'm a Tolkien kid at heart, always will be. I even carry a bit of LotRO into my Elder Scrolls in that in my RP, my Elves are immortal just like in the world of Middle-Earth.
SWTOR - Played it Played it.
GW2 - Played it, was disappointed with the expansion Still play it.
Everquest - played it for 6 years Played for five, but it was some of the best time I've ever spent in an MMO.
WoW - Played it Played it until Cataclysm. Lost interest after that.
TERA - Played it Haven't tried this one.
BDO - Not interested No interest whatsoever.
ArchAge - Messed with it a little, and my buddies and I are actually contemplating going to that now.
Beta tested it. Played a bit after launch, but lost interest.
I never said you thought ESO was the best MMO on the market right now. I said that.
What I did say; was that there are a multitude of other AAA MMO's on the market right now. But yet you're still here and still play, even with all of those other options. So if those statements are true (and they are by your own admissions), then ESO simply cannot be as much of a disaster as you and the other detractors make the game out to be.
By your own words:
So ESO must be better than any of the other options amongst MMO's currently running if this is the view you put forth.Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released.
One step forward, three steps back? Opinion. There are quite a few people who would disagree with you, but I guess that if they do, they're a "White Knight" simply because they don't share your... disappointment with the current state of the game.
While I don't like the single-mesh for armor regardless of character sex either, this doesn't happen to be an issue for me as I only have one female character, and she wears Light Armor anyway, so this affects her none. Which is also why I haven't commented on the threads about said mesh change. It doesn't affect me. I don't like it, but it's of no consequence.
So, if you'd like; I can go to the stable of the Ivory Tower and get your High Horse ready for you m'Lord. Just let me know.
As for "waiting for a better title to come along", the calendar of future MMO's is pretty bleak right now. Better move on to one of those games above, or find other reasons to fall back in love with ESO. Because there's nothing else coming down the pipe for a bit.
Your move.
Dude, I don't understand what's so hard for you to understand. We've played the titles listed above. We either got bored with them, they ran their course, or we didn't like them. We're here playing ESO because it's a decent game, but with all the things that bug us about the way the dev team does things, we'll probably be moving along in the very near future. Probably back to one of the titles above. If another decent AAA title was released tomorrow, we'd be gone now. WE DO NOT THINK ESO IS THE "BEST" MMO OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST BOARD WITH ALL THE OTHERS. So 'bored with others' does not equal 'best MMO out there'. That's why we're here for now. That's it in a nutshell. It's not a hard concept to wrap your head around. And I do agree with you that the immediate future of MMOs is pretty bleak right now. Also I'll agree with your sentiment that Everquest was some of the best times I've ever had in an MMO.
My biggest argument with you is, you arrogant to the point that you are telling other players that what they are feeling is wrong, as if you're an MMO forum psychiatrist. We know how we feel, and why we feel it. Maybe white knight was the wrong word. I guess narcissistic was the word I'm looking for. It's ironic that you're attacking me since I don't agree with you. You think my view, and others like me (which their are MANY on this forum) are wrong and have no validity. How hypocritical.
This game has lot of things going for it, but IN MY OPINION (as many, many others on this forum) the dev team makes a lot of mistakes, and questionable decisions in so many areas. Maybe because they are a fledgling MMO design team, and they have money hungry bosses....who knows. You don't have to agree with that, and it's fine. As far as I'm concerned, we'll just agree to disagree, and move on. Happy hunting!
Thank you for retracting the "White Knight" name calling. I myslef apologize for calling you arrogant to the point of ignorance. That was outside of my character to do, so I apologize for it.
I can agree to disagree. Aside from the Female meshes on the new armor sets (which is apparently not intended and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom has already mentioned that a fix is being worked on), I rather like the direction that the game is going. I agree with you that ESO has some of the best Quests and Quest-structure of any MMO that I've played in a while, I am worried that the three-month release schedule is going to "burn out" the Devs.
But time will tell on that front. Hopefully (especially with so much Tamrielic landmass left to explore, we'll get a steady release of new areas for gentlemen like us to crawl over.
But I am sorry to hear that you and your mates are getting bored with the game. As you made mention (and this is not a stab at words you've authored), I don't find many issues with this game at all.
Indeed, since I got it on my PC two years ago (and again on my Xbox One months ago) I have really not played anything else. It has kept me "hooked and addicted" like the MMO's of this genre's "glory days" did in the past, and my wife and I can't wait to log in every night.
That said, I like to think I can still be objective about what is going on with this game, though sometimes I fail. I am, after all, mostly Human.
But I appreciate the issues that you are bringing up. Being able to voice those concerns only helps to make the game better over all.
So good luck to you and your mates. I hope that there's something in ESO's near future that reverses the boredom you're beginning to feel with the game.
I appreciate your response. I too apologize that we got so intense there. I just saw the dev post where they addressed the weird shaped female light armor wire frames. I'm glad they are looking at that. Hopefully, they'll get that straightened out.
I guess the biggest thing I wish the dev team would do, is bug fix and balance the game at least once per month, and not just when a new DLC is released. Though they do address some bugs with hotfixes. Trying to fix so many bugs, make balance changes, and release a new DLC is just too much to accomplish at one time. I think that's where I get my "one step forward and three steps back" comment. I think it makes them look like they're putting primary focus on getting the DLC out and sold, and not fixing/balancing existing issues. Compared to some other companies, they are a fledgling MMO company, and maybe it's going to take them far longer to get these things figured out than what many players think it should.
Again, I very much appreciate you last post. We're old-school MMO'ers. We should be on much more common ground. :-)
And I think we do see more common ground than our original frustration led us to believe.
Bug fixing, as you know, is going to be a life-long process for this game as it is with every MMO. Most of the younger Gamers don't understand that. They think that Bugs/Glitches are a one-off process, and that it should be a simple point/click fix. I don't think they will ever be able to fully comprehend the soul-crushing bugs and glitches that were present at the beginning of this genre in every game. Some of the bugs/glitches in EverQuest, Ultima, and Asheron's Call were actually game-breaking until they were fixed. But even those games had numerous bugs every time there was an update or add-on.
Bug fixing will be a constant process. Only through the players reporting them in a very detailed fashion can the Devs get the vast majority of them found and fixed in a timely manner.
As far as balance... I don't think any game with a PvP aspect will ever be truly balanced. there's too much variation in player skill, character equipment, Skill load-outs, etc., ... I don't think the Devs will ever be able to account for every variable, thus true "balance" cannot be achieved. Much to the chagrin of most of the PvP gamers, I think the best the Devs can hope for (for any game, really) is to get closer to a base line, and then make sure that the PvP lag is fixed. But even that will require nigh constant server monitoring.
But I can see Zeni trying. I can see the honest effort to have a great MMO, and to make it the best it can be in the future. But I also see what you're saying, and agree. Personally, I think it might take them every bit of the next two years to fully get this MMO where it needs to be.
But when it gets there... it will be an even more amazing experience.
Ahh.... Asheron's Call. I forgot about that one!
I agree with your above post. I think sometimes, when we look back on past games such as Everquest, we only remember the great aspects of the game, even though it had it's fair share of issues. Also, I think if they could get the lag in Cyrodill under control, it would go a long way. I've never been a big PvPer, but have been enjoying the PvP in this game.
Not for the mechanics or anything, those are fine. I think it's just a subconscious thing on my part. I loved MMO's before any of them had any type of PvP content. They were PvE only, and that still rings pretty much true for me.
I really only ever play PvE, and the only reason I go into Cyrodiil is to get the Skyshards and for the City PvE Quests there.
But even doing that, I experience the lag, and I specifically choose the less populated Campaigns when I log into Cyrodiil. If I'm doing just PvE in the PvP area, and I've purposefully chosen a sparsely populated server, but I'm still getting lag? Yeah, they fix the lag in Cyro and it will improve that experience by leagues.
If they fix the lag, I'll be too busy playing the game to even visit the forums anymore. This is the source of the frustration for 99% of PvPers it seems like. I'd be able to look past all of the balance issues, exploits, bugs, etc., if only I was able to have some smooth gameplay in Cyrodil.
That's really the only reason I'm even still around here at all. Hoping they fix that one aspect of the game.Edited by Sallington on April 6, 2016 8:16PMDaggerfall Covenant
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