Indeed.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »I forgot how much money I made off of Blacksmithing in that game! loljamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Agreed.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »So...So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
This game has amazing potential, but I truly don't think it will ever be completely realized with the current dev team. It seems it's always one step forward, three steps back. When another "successful" MMO is released, we'll see where the rubber meets the road.
I've enjoyed playing ESO, but with a lot of frustration. More than any other MMO, and I started playing MMOs back in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released, and I've played quite a few of them. So please don't be arrogant enough to presume to say who's not being honest.
RIFT, FFXIV: ARR, LotRO, SWtOR, GW2... none of those are better options than ESO?
How then can ESO be such a disaster that, not only are you still playing it, but it's still "better" than any other MMO on the market right now?
The truthful answer is simple.
ESO is one of the best MMO's on the market right now. However; the game has made changes that are not specifically the changes that you might have made, so you're posting out of misplaced frustration.
I'm 50 years old. I started playing MMO's 17 years ago in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released. Even before then, I played Ultima Online for almost a year, so I guess that gives me almost 18 years of MMOing. How long have you been playing MMO's?
Rift - played it
Dark Age of Camelot - Played it
FFXIV - Dont like the franchise
ARR - Not sure what that is.
LotRO - Played it, but really didnt like the LOTR atmosphere
SWTOR - Played it
GW2 - Played it, was disappointed with the expansion
Everquest - played it for 6 years
WoW - Played it
TERA - Played it
BDO - Not interested
ArchAge - Messed with it a little, and my buddies and I are actually contemplating going to that now.
What else you got?
My friends and I play MMO's together. We've been playing ESO for about 5 months, and are already tired of the bugs, laggyness of the game in general, devs unable to fix bugs, inability to fix broken mechanics for years, making only male armor wireframes now because its easier to do, devs pretty much patching and balancing once per quarter or less, devs using primary focus to crank out DLCs and crown store items for sale, the list goes on and on and on. I will say that ESO has the best quest lines that I've ever played in MMO's, so kudos to them for that.
You're the very definition of white knight. No matter what happens, you'll defend it with your dying breath, and tell other players how wrong they are and how they feel, when you have not a clue, and are extremely arrogant to even presume saying such things. You keep saying that I think ESO is the best MMO on the market right now, but I've said no such thing. We've played it heavy for 5 months, and are already getting ready to move on for various reasons stated above. We played GW2 for 2 years. WoW for 6 years. The lesser titles for much less time. If another good AAA MMO had been released sooner, we'd be gone now. We unsubbed from ESO two days ago. No more money for them.
You're arrogant enough to lecture me that my (our) unhappiness is "misplaced frustration". Keep on fighting the good fight Sir Knight. They definitely need players like you.
I've heard mixed, but generally positive things about Black Desert Online. I play ESO because I love the Elder Scrolls lore, but I agree with most here that ZOS has done a very poor job overall. BDO doesn't have the ES lore, but by all accounts it's a far better MMO. It might be what you're looking for.
By all accounts? Whos? I play BDO and its a fun game to play. Its nothing like ESO tho. So comparing the two would be like comparing ESo to games like call of duty or the division. BDO is a sandbox box game. No quests to do. You level up by grinding mobs. Once you hit a certain level you can also be attacked at any time by other players. So while yes it is a fun game calling it "better" is a stretch. Since thats all opinion.
Oh and btw there are the same complaints there as here. PVP isnt balanced. Lag. Classes arent balanced. Lag again.
He said he was becoming tired of ESO and was considering Archeage as a new home. I was merely suggesting an alternative. You agree BDO is fun to play, but has its own issues, like ESO. But as you also mention, BDO is sandbox and ESO is themepark, so perhaps that's the kind of difference Villious was looking for? A change is as good as a holiday? Anyhow, as I said, it was just a suggestion, based on reviews from sources I trusted.
I did take a look at BDO, and as I understand it, it's an open world pvp once you hit 50. Now I'm not crazy about that, but might would try it if not for two things.....you loose experience, and pk'er can take items off you. That's a deal breaker for me.
The last MMO I played where you lost XP, and actually went backwards sometimes, was Everquest. While I have oh so very fond memories of Everquest (right @Uriel_Nocturne ?), I don't want to do the backwards XP boogie ever again.
I think it's gonna be quite a while before we really see any good new AAA titles released. At least ones I'd be interested in playing. But I'll keep a weathered eye on the horizon. :-)
EverQuest was an amazing MMO, despite some of it's issues that I like to gloss over when I talk about it almost 20 years later. But those times where you lost XP... the frustration was real.
Also, the Grind.
People on ESO whine about having to grind. That just makes me have one of those deep "belly laughs". You don't know what grinding is until you've experienced EverQuest and Ultima Online. That Grind... it was real. lol
I actually went and looked up BDO again last night. Watched some videos on it... watched some people playing it. That hour of my life watching that game just reinforced my lack of interest in it. I could partially get behind the open PvP at a certain level, but as you said, @Villious , players taking my hard-earned equipment off of my corpse? Instant deal breaker, regardless of the penalties that may or may not be in place for PK'ing.
Looking at the various release schedules posted by development companies for the rest of 2016 and early 2017, there really aren't any AAA MMO's coming down the pipe anytime soon.
So I'm just happy that I'm still hopelessly taken with ESO, because the list of future options is pretty darn slim.
I was a beta tester for Ultima Online. When the game launched I spent practically every gaming hour (about 8 hours a day) grinding blacksmithy. Now this is before people figured out how to grind on boats in a pattern and before anyone knew at the beginning of the day there was an hour where you would get more xp than normal.
Anyways took me 6 months of 8 hours a day 7 days a week to hit GM blacksmithing. I used to sit up at the forge and repair items for tips. Made a fortune because at the time there were no repair deeds. So you had to hand over your rare magical weapons like a silver vanq katana and trust the blacksmith wouldnt steal them.
So ya the grind in ESO is nothing compared to those older games like UO and EQ.
Once word gets out you wont steal stuff then you get a ton of repeat business.
Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Indeed.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »I forgot how much money I made off of Blacksmithing in that game! loljamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Agreed.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »So...So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Some of us still play for one simple reason....lack of better options. We have played many others, spent our time there, and are done. Some of us are here simply killing time until a better option is released. When that happens, I think you'll see the impact.
This game has amazing potential, but I truly don't think it will ever be completely realized with the current dev team. It seems it's always one step forward, three steps back. When another "successful" MMO is released, we'll see where the rubber meets the road.
I've enjoyed playing ESO, but with a lot of frustration. More than any other MMO, and I started playing MMOs back in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released, and I've played quite a few of them. So please don't be arrogant enough to presume to say who's not being honest.
RIFT, FFXIV: ARR, LotRO, SWtOR, GW2... none of those are better options than ESO?
How then can ESO be such a disaster that, not only are you still playing it, but it's still "better" than any other MMO on the market right now?
The truthful answer is simple.
ESO is one of the best MMO's on the market right now. However; the game has made changes that are not specifically the changes that you might have made, so you're posting out of misplaced frustration.
I'm 50 years old. I started playing MMO's 17 years ago in March of 1999 when the original Everquest was released. Even before then, I played Ultima Online for almost a year, so I guess that gives me almost 18 years of MMOing. How long have you been playing MMO's?
Rift - played it
Dark Age of Camelot - Played it
FFXIV - Dont like the franchise
ARR - Not sure what that is.
LotRO - Played it, but really didnt like the LOTR atmosphere
SWTOR - Played it
GW2 - Played it, was disappointed with the expansion
Everquest - played it for 6 years
WoW - Played it
TERA - Played it
BDO - Not interested
ArchAge - Messed with it a little, and my buddies and I are actually contemplating going to that now.
What else you got?
My friends and I play MMO's together. We've been playing ESO for about 5 months, and are already tired of the bugs, laggyness of the game in general, devs unable to fix bugs, inability to fix broken mechanics for years, making only male armor wireframes now because its easier to do, devs pretty much patching and balancing once per quarter or less, devs using primary focus to crank out DLCs and crown store items for sale, the list goes on and on and on. I will say that ESO has the best quest lines that I've ever played in MMO's, so kudos to them for that.
You're the very definition of white knight. No matter what happens, you'll defend it with your dying breath, and tell other players how wrong they are and how they feel, when you have not a clue, and are extremely arrogant to even presume saying such things. You keep saying that I think ESO is the best MMO on the market right now, but I've said no such thing. We've played it heavy for 5 months, and are already getting ready to move on for various reasons stated above. We played GW2 for 2 years. WoW for 6 years. The lesser titles for much less time. If another good AAA MMO had been released sooner, we'd be gone now. We unsubbed from ESO two days ago. No more money for them.
You're arrogant enough to lecture me that my (our) unhappiness is "misplaced frustration". Keep on fighting the good fight Sir Knight. They definitely need players like you.
I've heard mixed, but generally positive things about Black Desert Online. I play ESO because I love the Elder Scrolls lore, but I agree with most here that ZOS has done a very poor job overall. BDO doesn't have the ES lore, but by all accounts it's a far better MMO. It might be what you're looking for.
By all accounts? Whos? I play BDO and its a fun game to play. Its nothing like ESO tho. So comparing the two would be like comparing ESo to games like call of duty or the division. BDO is a sandbox box game. No quests to do. You level up by grinding mobs. Once you hit a certain level you can also be attacked at any time by other players. So while yes it is a fun game calling it "better" is a stretch. Since thats all opinion.
Oh and btw there are the same complaints there as here. PVP isnt balanced. Lag. Classes arent balanced. Lag again.
He said he was becoming tired of ESO and was considering Archeage as a new home. I was merely suggesting an alternative. You agree BDO is fun to play, but has its own issues, like ESO. But as you also mention, BDO is sandbox and ESO is themepark, so perhaps that's the kind of difference Villious was looking for? A change is as good as a holiday? Anyhow, as I said, it was just a suggestion, based on reviews from sources I trusted.
I did take a look at BDO, and as I understand it, it's an open world pvp once you hit 50. Now I'm not crazy about that, but might would try it if not for two things.....you loose experience, and pk'er can take items off you. That's a deal breaker for me.
The last MMO I played where you lost XP, and actually went backwards sometimes, was Everquest. While I have oh so very fond memories of Everquest (right @Uriel_Nocturne ?), I don't want to do the backwards XP boogie ever again.
I think it's gonna be quite a while before we really see any good new AAA titles released. At least ones I'd be interested in playing. But I'll keep a weathered eye on the horizon. :-)
EverQuest was an amazing MMO, despite some of it's issues that I like to gloss over when I talk about it almost 20 years later. But those times where you lost XP... the frustration was real.
Also, the Grind.
People on ESO whine about having to grind. That just makes me have one of those deep "belly laughs". You don't know what grinding is until you've experienced EverQuest and Ultima Online. That Grind... it was real. lol
I actually went and looked up BDO again last night. Watched some videos on it... watched some people playing it. That hour of my life watching that game just reinforced my lack of interest in it. I could partially get behind the open PvP at a certain level, but as you said, @Villious , players taking my hard-earned equipment off of my corpse? Instant deal breaker, regardless of the penalties that may or may not be in place for PK'ing.
Looking at the various release schedules posted by development companies for the rest of 2016 and early 2017, there really aren't any AAA MMO's coming down the pipe anytime soon.
So I'm just happy that I'm still hopelessly taken with ESO, because the list of future options is pretty darn slim.
I was a beta tester for Ultima Online. When the game launched I spent practically every gaming hour (about 8 hours a day) grinding blacksmithy. Now this is before people figured out how to grind on boats in a pattern and before anyone knew at the beginning of the day there was an hour where you would get more xp than normal.
Anyways took me 6 months of 8 hours a day 7 days a week to hit GM blacksmithing. I used to sit up at the forge and repair items for tips. Made a fortune because at the time there were no repair deeds. So you had to hand over your rare magical weapons like a silver vanq katana and trust the blacksmith wouldnt steal them.
So ya the grind in ESO is nothing compared to those older games like UO and EQ.
Once word gets out you wont steal stuff then you get a ton of repeat business.
jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »Ive always fancied a fallout mmo but Ive never understand how itd work. Like I'm looking out with my binoculars, see another human player, take absurdly long iron sight shot, pop players head off (like one shot kills?), get pumped to go loot body. Arrive to find body was looted by another wastelander begin chase.
What I just wrote sounds to me like a pretty awesome wasterlander experiance- however it involes open world PvP, corpse looting, looting the corpse of not even your own kill... I just dont see the 'natural danger' of fallout wasteland translate over well to mmo without big sacrifices to the fallout experiance. Like the need to drink/eat/rad poisioning etc etc.
lordrichter wrote: »jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »Ive always fancied a fallout mmo but Ive never understand how itd work. Like I'm looking out with my binoculars, see another human player, take absurdly long iron sight shot, pop players head off (like one shot kills?), get pumped to go loot body. Arrive to find body was looted by another wastelander begin chase.
What I just wrote sounds to me like a pretty awesome wasterlander experiance- however it involes open world PvP, corpse looting, looting the corpse of not even your own kill... I just dont see the 'natural danger' of fallout wasteland translate over well to mmo without big sacrifices to the fallout experiance. Like the need to drink/eat/rad poisioning etc etc.
I think that a Fallout MMO would be a challenge to make in such a way that captures the feel of the single player games. It would have to move away from a "vault dweller" focus, given the thousands of "vault dwellers" that would be running around due to the multiplayer nature of the game. They would almost have to make it so that characters were part of various competing factions (which could be player guilds as well as other groups), which would really make faction vs faction PVP a must. I can't really see a strong PVE/main quest focus in a game like this due to the survival nature of the series. Game objectives could center around capturable resources and areas in the game, sort of like Cyrodiil. I don't think it would need to be totally PVP, as things like insects, ferals, mutated animals, and other foes could easily exist in the game. I would want them to stay away from "classes" and stick with "SPECIAL" for character definition.
Hell yes.
ESO is still one of the best games I have ever played in my life.
The size, the graphics, the scope of things to do, the world itself.
It is the most impressive game I have ever played.
i just need a break after a year, but I will be back.
Ourorboros wrote: »Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
So let me get this straight, you're on the forums of a game, making comments...it's been out for two years now, you're still playing.
but yet you hate the company so much that built this game you'll NEVER buy another game from them again.
*eye roll
Yeah ESO makes me grumble sometimes, but in the end, best PvP experience I've ever had with a game in a genre that I love. You no votes aren't being honest.
Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »I think all the no answers are funny since it is obvious they are playing this game and are either continuing to pay to play the game or enjoy the old content so much they keep churning that over and over.
Hate the game so much but keep playing, LOL
Bigevilpeter wrote: »Oh come on most of you who voted no are probably addicts to this game with hundreds if not thousands of hours played, if the game was bas you could have easily stopped a long time ago.
my opinion, this game is great just has too many annoyances
Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »I think all the no answers are funny since it is obvious they are playing this game and are either continuing to pay to play the game or enjoy the old content so much they keep churning that over and over.
Hate the game so much but keep playing, LOL