IMPORTANT UPDATE! ZOS PLEASE reconsider your decision to no longer make FEMALE Light armor!

LadyNalcarya

This is really strange
I'm on EU server and just checked. This is vr10 Trinimac style robe (crafted):

This is a dropped Trinimac's Valor set:

Daraugh

I think whoever submitted the screenshots to Mystical was very clever It's all from the PTS!

Here's what I just got done with there, all brand new characters wearing the exact same set, crafted by Test Bosmer. Each one has the sliders set to medium except for torso and chest which are both full. I did made sure to do Khajiit and Argonian since they're tricky.

Test Bosmer wearing crafted Trinimac, including the shoulders that used to bulge up in the back.

Test Khajiit

Test Breton

Test Altmer

Test Argonian

On the very last shot, Test Argonian is wearing the jerkin. You might have noticed that the front flapdoodle on the robe is clipping into the front. I did bug that on the PTS.

Edit: I didn't bug the hood, but it's kind of odd looking to me. Not quite bugged, but very floaty off the face. It really makes the replacement of the hair obvious on human races. Opinions?

CokeVoAYCE

Daraugh wrote: »

I think whoever submitted the screenshots to Mystical was very clever It's all from the PTS!

Here's what I just got done with there, all brand new characters wearing the exact same set, crafted by Test Bosmer. Each one has the sliders set to medium except for torso and chest which are both full. I did made sure to do Khajiit and Argonian since they're tricky.

Test Bosmer wearing crafted Trinimac, including the shoulders that used to bulge up in the back.

Test Khajiit

Test Breton

Test Altmer

Test Argonian

On the very last shot, Test Argonian is wearing the jerkin. You might have noticed that the front flapdoodle on the robe is clipping into the front. I did bug that on the PTS.

Edit: I didn't bug the hood, but it's kind of odd looking to me. Not quite bugged, but very floaty off the face. It really makes the replacement of the hair obvious on human races. Opinions?

oh boy. it still looks awful. maybe even worse and more awkward... e.e

failkiwib16_ESO

They at least fixed some part of it ..

Previously with Worm Cult set, if mixed with certain styles it would make you seem leg-less and pant-less. >.<

Cavanoskus

I'm pretty sure @Mysticals took all the shots on his site himself; maybe he can shed a little light on the differences in the sets' appearance?

Balthors

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helediron

MornaBaine wrote: »

In interesting news, I have discovered this website: http://www.the-elder-scrolls-by-mysticals.com/
...snip...
LOOK! NO DISTORTION!!!
I don't know what the difference is except that this player, judging form their website, is probably EU whereas I am NA. I have no idea if this would in any way account for the difference though. @ZOS_GinaBruno ??? @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ???

In PTS it has changed! I just crafted a Trinimac set there.

LadyNalcarya

Does anyone know if other bugged motifs were changed on pts?

helediron

Malacath female still has a hole in stomach. Alliance styles are not fixed.

Seems that Trinimac is only fixed. I think starting from it was right priority.

I hope the new Abah's Landing style gets fixed next. It stands out among the grayish/brown rogue styles of the guilds, which are great styles for their purposes, but grayish/brown...

Daraugh

@Mysticals that was very clever! Great way to get female armor screenshots on your site and thank you for all your work there. (Sorry I misspelled your name!)

I think the Trinimac style is just very stiff and formal, the sharply pointed shoulders fit the lines in the patterns. Off the top of my head I know Mercenary and the Alliance styles are buggy. Has anyone seen if the new Abah's Landing style is actually buggy in its fit?

Balthors

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Inarre

Awesome if ZOS has fixed it (it is current PTS we are using for these recent character shots?) If so, TY @ZOS_JessicaFolsom and thanks @Mysticals for the great shots of the armor and bringing the fix to light.

Excited to get new sets in trinimac motif now

helediron

Daraugh wrote: »

@Mysticals that was very clever! Great way to get female armor screenshots on your site and thank you for all your work there. (Sorry I misspelled your name!)

I think the Trinimac style is just very stiff and formal, the sharply pointed shoulders fit the lines in the patterns. Off the top of my head I know Mercenary and the Alliance styles are buggy. Has anyone seen if the new Abah's Landing style is actually buggy in its fit?

It's bugged. Looks like using a coke bottle as torso model.

MornaBaine

Nope. I'm looking at my character in the light robe trinimac motif and it is still as deformed/distorted as ever. Still running 32 bit client if that makes as difference. It's also completely "eating" the light shoulders I'm wearing with it clipping horribly.

ButtersEP

huh? This is a thing people care about for real?

Daraugh

helediron wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

@Mysticals that was very clever! Great way to get female armor screenshots on your site and thank you for all your work there. (Sorry I misspelled your name!)

I think the Trinimac style is just very stiff and formal, the sharply pointed shoulders fit the lines in the patterns. Off the top of my head I know Mercenary and the Alliance styles are buggy. Has anyone seen if the new Abah's Landing style is actually buggy in its fit?

It's bugged. Looks like using a coke bottle as torso model.

I'm sorry, I wasn't very clear. I was all excited about seeing a response, in the form of properly fitting armor, to of all these posts! I meant on the PTS but forgot to say it. All of the screenshots I posted just a little while ago are the fixed and debugged versions that are currently on the test server. Anything we see there will hopefully be what we'll have when Dark Brotherhood drops.

I can check out the other motifs after dinner. @Mysticals posted some new ones on his site. Link in the post just a few up from here!

helediron

Daraugh wrote: »

helediron wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

@Mysticals that was very clever! Great way to get female armor screenshots on your site and thank you for all your work there. (Sorry I misspelled your name!)

I think the Trinimac style is just very stiff and formal, the sharply pointed shoulders fit the lines in the patterns. Off the top of my head I know Mercenary and the Alliance styles are buggy. Has anyone seen if the new Abah's Landing style is actually buggy in its fit?

It's bugged. Looks like using a coke bottle as torso model.

I'm sorry, I wasn't very clear. I was all excited about seeing a response, in the form of properly fitting armor, to of all these posts! I meant on the PTS but forgot to say it. All of the screenshots I posted just a little while ago are the fixed and debugged versions that are currently on the test server. Anything we see there will hopefully be what we'll have when Dark Brotherhood drops.

I can check out the other motifs after dinner. @Mysticals posted some new ones on his site. Link in the post just a few up from here!

I meant too PTS. I made a test set of Abah's landing few weeks ago there, and it has same bug as many others, where torso is sort of balloon.

Summary:
Few weeks ago in PTS:
- new Abah Landing and Thieves Guild styles have female balloon torso.
- new Assassin's League honors character customization.

Today on PTS:
- Trinimac has been fixed from cardboard origami to human shape.
- Alliance styles have not changed and are buggy.
- Malacath is good style, but female light chest still misses a piece at stomach.

Daraugh

helediron wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

helediron wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

@Mysticals that was very clever! Great way to get female armor screenshots on your site and thank you for all your work there. (Sorry I misspelled your name!)

I think the Trinimac style is just very stiff and formal, the sharply pointed shoulders fit the lines in the patterns. Off the top of my head I know Mercenary and the Alliance styles are buggy. Has anyone seen if the new Abah's Landing style is actually buggy in its fit?

It's bugged. Looks like using a coke bottle as torso model.

I'm sorry, I wasn't very clear. I was all excited about seeing a response, in the form of properly fitting armor, to of all these posts! I meant on the PTS but forgot to say it. All of the screenshots I posted just a little while ago are the fixed and debugged versions that are currently on the test server. Anything we see there will hopefully be what we'll have when Dark Brotherhood drops.

I can check out the other motifs after dinner. @Mysticals posted some new ones on his site. Link in the post just a few up from here!

I meant too PTS. I made a test set of Abah's landing few weeks ago there, and it has same bug as many others, where torso is sort of balloon.

Summary:
Few weeks ago in PTS:
- new Abah Landing and Thieves Guild styles have female balloon torso.
- new Assassin's League honors character customization.

Today on PTS:
- Trinimac has been fixed from cardboard origami to human shape.
- Alliance styles have not changed and are buggy.
- Malacath is good style, but female light chest still misses a piece at stomach.

Ah thanks! I'll wait until the next pts patch until checking them out then.

NBrookus

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MornaBaine wrote: »

In interesting news, I have discovered this website: http://www.the-elder-scrolls-by-mysticals.com/

It is a great showcase for armor but what is really fascinating is that even the problem armor looks like it's SUPPOSED to for this player.

For instance, the Trinimac that looks like this on my character:



looks like THIS for this player:





LOOK! NO DISTORTION!!!
I don't know what the difference is except that this player, judging form their website, is probably EU whereas I am NA. I have no idea if this would in any way account for the difference though. @ZOS_GinaBruno ??? @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ???

As bad as the first one looks, the second one looks like tight spandex over tennis balls instead of a pleasant silk drape.

Gidorick

MornaBaine wrote: »

In interesting news, I have discovered this website: http://www.the-elder-scrolls-by-mysticals.com/

It is a great showcase for armor but what is really fascinating is that even the problem armor looks like it's SUPPOSED to for this player.

For instance, the Trinimac that looks like this on my character:



looks like THIS for this player:





LOOK! NO DISTORTION!!!
I don't know what the difference is except that this player, judging form their website, is probably EU whereas I am NA. I have no idea if this would in any way account for the difference though. @ZOS_GinaBruno ??? @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ???

I must say, when fitted properly, that's quite fetching. I rescind any and all disagreements and eye rolls in regards to this topic. Seeing what it's supposed to look like compared to what it looks like on you helps me to completely understand your frustration and completely support your stance.

Taisynn

I am so happy and so excited they are fitting the armor correctly on the PTS server.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Thank you for voicing our concerns to the meshers. Please keep fixing the armor and we women will not wield our pitchforks anymore! We're not looking for sexy or revealing. Just a proper fit to our sliders of choice and realistic body porportions.

Mwuah!

MornaBaine

helediron wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

In interesting news, I have discovered this website: http://www.the-elder-scrolls-by-mysticals.com/
...snip...
LOOK! NO DISTORTION!!!
I don't know what the difference is except that this player, judging form their website, is probably EU whereas I am NA. I have no idea if this would in any way account for the difference though. @ZOS_GinaBruno ??? @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ???

In PTS it has changed! I just crafted a Trinimac set there.

That is SUPER news! Would it have killed ya to tell us that here @ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @ZOS_GinaBruno since you ladies know lots of folks are watching this thread and hoping for an update???

MornaBaine

NBrookus wrote: »

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MornaBaine wrote: »

In interesting news, I have discovered this website: http://www.the-elder-scrolls-by-mysticals.com/

It is a great showcase for armor but what is really fascinating is that even the problem armor looks like it's SUPPOSED to for this player.

For instance, the Trinimac that looks like this on my character:



looks like THIS for this player:





LOOK! NO DISTORTION!!!
I don't know what the difference is except that this player, judging form their website, is probably EU whereas I am NA. I have no idea if this would in any way account for the difference though. @ZOS_GinaBruno ??? @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ???

As bad as the first one looks, the second one looks like tight spandex over tennis balls instead of a pleasant silk drape.

For some reason, proper draping of fabric has always seemed to be beyond the capabilities of these games. Which is really unfortunate. We can't even get hair that moves properly, let alone fabric that looks as it should. The technology for these things already exists and has for some time. But I can only guess that it would be too difficult/expensive/time intensive for them to do it in MMOs at this point. I've no doubt we'll see it some day. But not yet. So for now I'll cheerfully settle for clothing that doesn't make my character look like she has decided to wear a cardboard box as an undergarment.

khele23eb17_ESO

MornaBaine wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

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MornaBaine wrote: »

In interesting news, I have discovered this website: http://www.the-elder-scrolls-by-mysticals.com/

It is a great showcase for armor but what is really fascinating is that even the problem armor looks like it's SUPPOSED to for this player.

For instance, the Trinimac that looks like this on my character:



looks like THIS for this player:





LOOK! NO DISTORTION!!!
I don't know what the difference is except that this player, judging form their website, is probably EU whereas I am NA. I have no idea if this would in any way account for the difference though. @ZOS_GinaBruno ??? @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ???

As bad as the first one looks, the second one looks like tight spandex over tennis balls instead of a pleasant silk drape.

For some reason, proper draping of fabric has always seemed to be beyond the capabilities of these games. Which is really unfortunate. We can't even get hair that moves properly, let alone fabric that looks as it should. The technology for these things already exists and has for some time. But I can only guess that it would be too difficult/expensive/time intensive for them to do it in MMOs at this point. I've no doubt we'll see it some day. But not yet. So for now I'll cheerfully settle for clothing that doesn't make my character look like she has decided to wear a cardboard box as an undergarment.

Theres just not enough computing power in todays PCs to have dozens of characters on screen with realistically rendered cloth physics.

MornaBaine

Mysticals wrote: »

Cavanoskus wrote: »

I'm pretty sure @Mysticals took all the shots on his site himself; maybe he can shed a little light on the differences in the sets' appearance?

Yes, i'm alone who work on the website, and i confirm, i take my own chars. It's only Bosmer for the small size.

For the female, i created it on the EU PTS, after the EU server character copy.

And hats off to you for your wonderful website! Also many thanks for being the one who let us know, however inadvertently, that this issue IS actually being worked on! Kudos!

Daraugh

NBrookus wrote: »

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MornaBaine wrote: »

In interesting news, I have discovered this website: http://www.the-elder-scrolls-by-mysticals.com/

It is a great showcase for armor but what is really fascinating is that even the problem armor looks like it's SUPPOSED to for this player.

For instance, the Trinimac that looks like this on my character:



looks like THIS for this player:





LOOK! NO DISTORTION!!!
I don't know what the difference is except that this player, judging form their website, is probably EU whereas I am NA. I have no idea if this would in any way account for the difference though. @ZOS_GinaBruno ??? @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ???

As bad as the first one looks, the second one looks like tight spandex over tennis balls instead of a pleasant silk drape.

I think it's actually the bright lighting and the sharply contrasting dyes that give it that appearance @NBrookus. If you scroll up and look at my posts of Test Breton especially, since I used all one color for one shot and a less contrasting dyes for the other, the effects isn't as dramatic. I went through a few dye patterns to minimize that effect actually, since it artificially created that effect in a screenshot. It looks much better while moving around in game. It's post #813

MornaBaine

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

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MornaBaine wrote: »

In interesting news, I have discovered this website: http://www.the-elder-scrolls-by-mysticals.com/

It is a great showcase for armor but what is really fascinating is that even the problem armor looks like it's SUPPOSED to for this player.

For instance, the Trinimac that looks like this on my character:



looks like THIS for this player:





LOOK! NO DISTORTION!!!
I don't know what the difference is except that this player, judging form their website, is probably EU whereas I am NA. I have no idea if this would in any way account for the difference though. @ZOS_GinaBruno ??? @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ???

As bad as the first one looks, the second one looks like tight spandex over tennis balls instead of a pleasant silk drape.

For some reason, proper draping of fabric has always seemed to be beyond the capabilities of these games. Which is really unfortunate. We can't even get hair that moves properly, let alone fabric that looks as it should. The technology for these things already exists and has for some time. But I can only guess that it would be too difficult/expensive/time intensive for them to do it in MMOs at this point. I've no doubt we'll see it some day. But not yet. So for now I'll cheerfully settle for clothing that doesn't make my character look like she has decided to wear a cardboard box as an undergarment.

Theres just not enough computing power in todays PCs to have dozens of characters on screen with realistically rendered cloth physics.

Yeah this is also a large part of the problem no doubt. I look forward to games made for top end gaming rigs rather than aiming for the middle of the road or the lowest performance specs possible. And I look forward to computers that can run such games flawlessly. When I'm a little old lady no longer able to ride horses and do martial arts myself it's going to be really important to me to be able to live vicariously through my wonderful and forever young game characters! LOL

CherryCake

Oh wow seeing how the armor should look makes me sad...its gorgeous hopefully they will fix it soon! And hopefully they make more armors with patterns!

LadyNalcarya

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

And hopefully they make more armors with patterns!

Yes please!
I really like some of the new motifs, but most of good looking motifs are assassin/rouge themed, and would be really great to have some ornate/patterned styles.

CherryCake

It makes me so sad that the noble dress looks so funny... today I finally made a pretty imperial girl, and this dress would match her completely, but I am not paying for that strange shape...

Do you guys know if ZOS will also fix this besides the craftable armor?