IMPORTANT UPDATE! ZOS PLEASE reconsider your decision to no longer make FEMALE Light armor!

CherryCake

Isnt it funny how most mmos focus on female armor the most? Except ESO, they always make the male model as a base and then mold it a bit around the female version IF at all in this case. Thankfully, they seem to listen a tiny bit to us, by giving us more costumes in the crown store but still...its as if as a female in this game you have to pay real money to look good. Damn it ZOS we spend enough on shampoos and face creams xD.

LadyNalcarya

Idk, they put the motifs in crown store as well...
And I dont mind buying good-looking costumes. But if they dont even have female meshes, I'll pass. I certainly wont pay to look ugly.

Birdovic

Now dont get me wrong everyone, but:

While I agree this Looks pretty awful on Female Characters, im even more surprised and disappointed how a Discussion, all about aesthetics, draws more attention than one about Gamebreaking bugs, balancing and other gameplay affecting issues

CherryCake

I guess it is not because of the topic but because there are tons of threads about bugs and game affecting issues, while only one thread that stays about aesthetics, so it looks like this gets more attention, but the truth is that its the only thread we use to complain about such things =D

LadyNalcarya

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

Now dont get me wrong everyone, but:

While I agree this Looks pretty awful on Female Characters, im even more surprised and disappointed how a Discussion, all about aesthetics, draws more attention than one about Gamebreaking bugs, balancing and other gameplay affecting issues

There's a ton of threads about such issues.
I think only stamsorcs alone have more threads (in total) than these cosmetic issues.

ListerJMC

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

Now dont get me wrong everyone, but:

While I agree this Looks pretty awful on Female Characters, im even more surprised and disappointed how a Discussion, all about aesthetics, draws more attention than one about Gamebreaking bugs, balancing and other gameplay affecting issues

There are plenty of discussions about game-breaking bugs and balancing issues to choose from, there seems to be a new one popping up every day. They multiply quickly.

Birdovic

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

I guess it is not because of the topic but because there are tons of threads about bugs and game affecting issues, while only one thread that stays about aesthetics, so it looks like this gets more attention, but the truth is that its the only thread we use to complain about such things =D

Yup, can accept that as answer
Cheers!

Lysette

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

Now dont get me wrong everyone, but:

While I agree this Looks pretty awful on Female Characters, im even more surprised and disappointed how a Discussion, all about aesthetics, draws more attention than one about Gamebreaking bugs, balancing and other gameplay affecting issues

There's a ton of threads about such issues.
I think only stamsorcs alone have more threads (in total) than these cosmetic issues.

This is not a cosmetic issue, when a costume like the dragon priest one is removing all female attributes and there is no difference between a man and woman optically anymore. This is robbing us of our gender identity as women. To call this just "cosmetic" is not seeing the deeper effect this has on us - if this is sustained, I will for certain leave this game, I will not support a game which discriminates gender.

WalkingLegacy

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Idk, they put the motifs in crown store as well...
And I dont mind buying good-looking costumes. But if they dont even have female meshes, I'll pass. I certainly wont pay to look ugly.

Yeah it's pretty sad state of gaming when they charge 20 bucks for things like this. I don't even think the male costumes and such match 100% the body you created in character creator.

On top of that, the armor clipping and lack of fidelity on some of the pieces is disappointing. We need to stop Rewarding mediocrity.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

And let's not forget--those of us who spent a great deal of time in the character creation screen would like to see that effort on a regular basis. Whether we did it because we thought our character creation choices would work well from a role-playing standpoint, or for gender identity reasons, or even just because we wanted to look at eye-candy in the character screen--we made them to look thus, and thus they should continue to look. Zenimax doesn't like large portions of the player base passing over their hard work, and this is the reasoning they give for tweaking game balance this way or that--that consideration should go both ways.

Moreover, those of us who spent money on a cosmetic item would like to have spent it on quality. Even the cheapest costume is a significant fraction of the cost of the base game. The amount of effort going into them on Zeni's behalf should reflect that.

The WHOLE PURPOSE of cosmetic item is to make our characters look cooler, more menacing, or otherwise more how we want them to look, and doing a hack job with the meshes flies in the face of that.

Emma_Overload

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

Now dont get me wrong everyone, but:

While I agree this Looks pretty awful on Female Characters, im even more surprised and disappointed how a Discussion, all about aesthetics, draws more attention than one about Gamebreaking bugs, balancing and other gameplay affecting issues

For a lot of us, these "aesthetic issues" ARE game-breaking bugs!

Artheiron

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

First, Im a girl. Secondly, I dont even have anything against sexy stuff in games, but if the same item looks like a full-plate armor on male character and magically transforms into bikini on female one, it is a serious design issue. Why not to release 2 costumes then, 1 skimpy and 1 full plate? But lolnope, only female chars are treated as eye candy.
Speaking of perverts... If its all made for the sake of art and pure beauty, then why there's so much focus on female underwear and why all female chars have bouncing breasts and butts? If its just for realism, its kinda strange that male chars do not have such level of, ummm, detalization.

Also, the reason why I post in this thread is because I want the mesh issue fixed.
But leaning to the Asian design model is not a solution. As I said, I'd be happy if ESO adopted BDO graphics and char creator, but nothing else. To each their own of course. But there's a ton of Asian mmos - most of them dont even leave their market - and they're all very similar. BDO is only different because of graphics, and because it was released for EU/NA players. ESO is kind of interesting cause its a cross between mmo and TES game, and still has potential to be unique despite many technical issues.
Also, BDO is p2w in Russia, Korean and Japan, and no one can guarantee the developers wont choose the same route for Western version when the hype about graphics and cuteness is gone. Like Archeage for example.

I didn't say what I said assuming your gender is male and your gender got nothing to do with this anyway.

I think you got me wrong. I hate objectifying women in real life. But all the muscled men with adonises, shoulders and biceps bigger than my head, ladies with big bouncy boobs, these are quite the same and not objectifying a particular gender in video games. Because that's how heroic beings stylized in the video games and silver screen. And yes they are sexy.

You belive that a lady can throw fireballs at you, turn you into a walking potato and even fly and you don't believe she can fight in a bikini heavy armor? That's just a different point of view you'll call it objectifying I call it art. Knowing all the roman sculptures are naked, many paintings from renaissance era includes nudty, the music you listen today is all about sex. Well hello! an American female singer wrote a song for her butt. 587.131.017 viewers on youtube! ... I don't know what to say when someone complains about sexy toons in video games.

LadyNalcarya

Artheiron wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

First, Im a girl. Secondly, I dont even have anything against sexy stuff in games, but if the same item looks like a full-plate armor on male character and magically transforms into bikini on female one, it is a serious design issue. Why not to release 2 costumes then, 1 skimpy and 1 full plate? But lolnope, only female chars are treated as eye candy.
Speaking of perverts... If its all made for the sake of art and pure beauty, then why there's so much focus on female underwear and why all female chars have bouncing breasts and butts? If its just for realism, its kinda strange that male chars do not have such level of, ummm, detalization.

Also, the reason why I post in this thread is because I want the mesh issue fixed.
But leaning to the Asian design model is not a solution. As I said, I'd be happy if ESO adopted BDO graphics and char creator, but nothing else. To each their own of course. But there's a ton of Asian mmos - most of them dont even leave their market - and they're all very similar. BDO is only different because of graphics, and because it was released for EU/NA players. ESO is kind of interesting cause its a cross between mmo and TES game, and still has potential to be unique despite many technical issues.
Also, BDO is p2w in Russia, Korean and Japan, and no one can guarantee the developers wont choose the same route for Western version when the hype about graphics and cuteness is gone. Like Archeage for example.

I didn't say what I said assuming your gender is male and your gender got nothing to do with this anyway.

I think you got me wrong. I hate objectifying women in real life. But all the muscled men with adonises, shoulders and biceps bigger than my head, ladies with big bouncy boobs, these are quite the same and not objectifying a particular gender in video games. Because that's how heroic beings stylized in the video games and silver screen. And yes they are sexy.

You belive that a lady can throw fireballs at you, turn you into a walking potato and even fly and you don't believe she can fight in a bikini heavy armor? That's just a different point of view you'll call it objectifying I call it art. Knowing all the roman sculptures are naked, many paintings from renaissance era includes nudty, the music you listen today is all about sex. Well hello! an American female singer wrote a song for her butt. 587.131.017 viewers on youtube! ... I don't know what to say when someone complains about sexy toons in video games.

Well, in my book, sexy doesnt nessesarily mean sexist - after all, to each their own, and there should be such thing as artistic freedom. And yes, there are women who like sexy outfits on male characters.
But if the situation looks like this, it is sexist in my opinion:

And this is a common design issue, especially in Asian mmos.
In BDO, for example, there are different types of male characters - a brutal giant, an old mage, or a "prince Charming" type... But females are bound to be fashion models, no matter what. Ofc you can make green char with red eyes and deformed face, but presets and costumes are designed for fashion model type.

MornaBaine

I'd like to know if ANY of these armor sets have been worked on by the Dev team yet and improved and if so...which ones???

CherryCake

MornaBaine wrote: »

I'd like to know if ANY of these armor sets have been worked on by the Dev team yet and improved and if so...which ones???

Most probably none... it will take a long time until they improve anything around this subject

Lysette

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I'd like to know if ANY of these armor sets have been worked on by the Dev team yet and improved and if so...which ones???

Most probably none... it will take a long time until they improve anything around this subject

My impression is, that Gina told by accident the truth about that they will not care about female meshes anymore. And Jessica was (my guess) ordered to tell us that this is a mistake and they would fix it. I doubt that we got the truth there and I am not happy with being lied to intentionally. This is not the way someone should treat customers and I for my part will not spend any more money on this game until there is a change in this - and I did not play it since a couple of days and have no intention to do that in the next week as well. Maybe never again, I will see - I am so fed up with their ways of bending the truth or outright lie to us. And one of them has not told the truth, they cannot be both right.

Taisynn

The only thing keeping me here is the amazing quest lines and voice acting. If I lose that dynamic too, I'm so gone.

Hopefully they put more Sheogorath quests in...

Lysette

Taisynn wrote: »

The only thing keeping me here is the amazing quest lines and voice acting. If I lose that dynamic too, I'm so gone.

Hopefully they put more Sheogorath quests in...

To me it is more like that - when I ask myself "do I have fun playing this game?" the answer is - "not really", Broken client again, I have to struggle more with stuff not working than I could enjoy the game. I have to restart the client many times to get to a state, where it would be playable and audio is ok, but then I see a pink texture somewhere or the game is crashing. Not even such basic functionality is working properly. They had enough time to fix it, but IMO they have no idea how to and just do it in a trial and error like way, otherwise they could not have broken the client again - it was working for me, but they broke it and all issues reappeared. Then skills do not work reliably and are broken - at first this game looked somewhat ok, but the deeper I get into it, the more I can see all the flaws of it, which will most likely never get fixed, because they give a damn. I do not even trust them anymore when they say "working on it, but no ETA" - that is an empty phrase, they did lie and I do not trust them anymore.

CherryCake

Lysette wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I'd like to know if ANY of these armor sets have been worked on by the Dev team yet and improved and if so...which ones???

Most probably none... it will take a long time until they improve anything around this subject

My impression is, that Gina told by accident the truth about that they will not care about female meshes anymore. And Jessica was (my guess) ordered to tell us that this is a mistake and they would fix it. I doubt that we got the truth there and I am not happy with being lied to intentionally. This is not the way someone should treat customers and I for my part will not spend any more money on this game until there is a change in this - and I did not play it since a couple of days and have no intention to do that in the next week as well. Maybe never again, I will see - I am so fed up with their ways of bending the truth or outright lie to us. And one of them has not told the truth, they cannot be both right.

Oh wow Gina actually admitted that?... Its so sad that sooner or later all companies go in the same direction... I could try to make an excuse for them but there no legitimate one... Funny thing, I sometimes search for things I dont know about ESO etc on google, and get directed to the forums, for example around 2014, and I see that it wasnt only the customers talking with each other, actual people from ZOS would answer questions and interact WAY more than they do now, and not just with the basic "Yes we are aware, yeah we look into it"...

Birdovic

For a lot of us, these "aesthetic issues" ARE game-breaking bugs!

Dont worry, I understood that and you know that.
And to make this clear:

You in Return Should Unterstand:
Game developers have a Priority List. Making The Game fully functional Is definetly a top Priority.

A weird shaped character Is ugly, we know that.
BUT: You can Play The Game, no matter how ugly your character Is.
The Most Important Is, the underlying mechanics are working, then we can Continue and make it Look great aswell.

Short:
REALLY Game breaking stuff Needs to be fixed First(stuff that makes The Game unplayable) before The Games Visual appearance gets polished.

Broken Game with beautiful, detailed character?
Or
Working Game with ugly character, which will be beautiful later on?

Your Choice.


@Lysette

Did you Play ESO since PC Beta?
The Beta was so incredibly buggy and horrible to Play (was a lag fest including countless Crashes, bugs, Visual bugs, many "pink boxes" etc.), Even Me as a really, really huge TES Fan Almost gave up on ESO.

What im trying to say is, The bugs you encounter now, are veeeery few. ESO Went a Long way, And it improved so much in this Short timr, I cant Even think of Anything to Compare.

sadownik

@andypappb16_ESO im sorry but i strongly dissagree with you. In fact Z. behaviour towards cash shop items is rather worrying. It supposed to be their main source of income and somehow the quality is simply not there.

Bugs... there are still damn much too many bugs in ESO and the fact that you are writing praises about Z. is very surprising. Yes the game at launch was much worse but does it mean its great now? And about what short time are you talking about?

Zaldan

Play Drity, Get Away Clean isn't just the DLC slogan it appears to now be ZO$ business model

Birdovic

@sadownik

Well The cash Shop Part Is true. But After dropping sub, this had to Happen I guess


The Short Time im Talking about Is since eso started. For an MMO this in fact Is a Short Time.

Edit: oops wrong player

sadownik

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

@Zaldan

Well The cash Shop Part Is true. But After dropping sub, this had to Happen I guess


The Short Time im Talking about Is since eso started. For an MMO this in fact Is a Short Time.

2 years is more than enough time to have a. stable client, b. decent performance.

ListerJMC

@andypappb16_ESO the people fixing cosmetic issues aren't the same ones working on the performance bugs. Therefore, the issues can be worked on simultaneously; there's no single team skilled in all areas of the game working on a sole list of priorities.

MornaBaine

ListerJMC wrote: »

@andypappb16_ESO the people fixing cosmetic issues aren't the same ones working on the performance bugs. Therefore, the issues can be worked on simultaneously; there's no single team skilled in all areas of the game working on a sole list of priorities.

That much is very true. But the money spent on each team and the resources they are given to work with very probably does vary, with the lion's share of the $$$ going towards whatever seems most pressing. We can argue about what ZOS' priorities are or should be but we'll never really have enough information to make more than wild guesses about the state of things so ultimately I find that unhelpful. As customers, I feel it makes a lot more sense for us to bring to their attention the things that are important to us and then let them sort it out. or not. And, ultimately, we will have to vote with our wallets if they don't respond to the issues that matter to us.

Lysette

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

For a lot of us, these "aesthetic issues" ARE game-breaking bugs!

Dont worry, I understood that and you know that.
And to make this clear:

You in Return Should Unterstand:
Game developers have a Priority List. Making The Game fully functional Is definetly a top Priority.

A weird shaped character Is ugly, we know that.
BUT: You can Play The Game, no matter how ugly your character Is.
The Most Important Is, the underlying mechanics are working, then we can Continue and make it Look great aswell.

Short:
REALLY Game breaking stuff Needs to be fixed First(stuff that makes The Game unplayable) before The Games Visual appearance gets polished.

Broken Game with beautiful, detailed character?
Or
Working Game with ugly character, which will be beautiful later on?

Your Choice.


@Lysette

Did you Play ESO since PC Beta?
The Beta was so incredibly buggy and horrible to Play (was a lag fest including countless Crashes, bugs, Visual bugs, many "pink boxes" etc.), Even Me as a really, really huge TES Fan Almost gave up on ESO.

What im trying to say is, The bugs you encounter now, are veeeery few. ESO Went a Long way, And it improved so much in this Short timr, I cant Even think of Anything to Compare.

Well, I am used to a better service, where stuff actually works and when new expansion are out, new bugs found are dealt with within days - you want to know, what it is?- EVE online.

I gave ESO 1 star out of 5 - 4 for content, minus 1 for blatant greediness, minus 1 for lack of communication minus 1 for a broken client, game crashes and other stuff - leaving 1 - and currently it is minus 1 due to discrimination, leaving zero stars, I do not have fun to play the game anymore, IF I would be able to play it without to run into bugs and crashes within short at all. But it has crashes, missing textures, annoying audio issues, unreliable skills and performance issues.

This game is currently a mess and I do not want to play it for at least a week or more - I am just fed up with this crap. I might give it another try, eventually, but for now I am done with it.

Shadowfx1970

Lysette wrote: »

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

For a lot of us, these "aesthetic issues" ARE game-breaking bugs!

Dont worry, I understood that and you know that.
And to make this clear:

You in Return Should Unterstand:
Game developers have a Priority List. Making The Game fully functional Is definetly a top Priority.

A weird shaped character Is ugly, we know that.
BUT: You can Play The Game, no matter how ugly your character Is.
The Most Important Is, the underlying mechanics are working, then we can Continue and make it Look great aswell.

Short:
REALLY Game breaking stuff Needs to be fixed First(stuff that makes The Game unplayable) before The Games Visual appearance gets polished.

Broken Game with beautiful, detailed character?
Or
Working Game with ugly character, which will be beautiful later on?

Your Choice.


@Lysette

Did you Play ESO since PC Beta?
The Beta was so incredibly buggy and horrible to Play (was a lag fest including countless Crashes, bugs, Visual bugs, many "pink boxes" etc.), Even Me as a really, really huge TES Fan Almost gave up on ESO.

What im trying to say is, The bugs you encounter now, are veeeery few. ESO Went a Long way, And it improved so much in this Short timr, I cant Even think of Anything to Compare.

Well, I am used to a better service, where stuff actually works and when new expansion are out, new bugs found are dealt with within days - you want to know, what it is?- EVE online.

I gave ESO 1 star out of 5 - 4 for content, minus 1 for blatant greediness, minus 1 for lack of communication minus 1 for a broken client, game crashes and other stuff - leaving 1 - and currently it is minus 1 due to discrimination, leaving zero stars, I do not have fun to play the game anymore, IF I would be able to play it without to run into bugs and crashes within short at all. But it has crashes, missing textures, annoying audio issues, unreliable skills and performance issues.

This game is currently a mess and I do not want to play it for at least a week or more - I am just fed up with this crap. I might give it another try, eventually, but for now I am done with it.

Have to say that about EVE they always keep their end up (no pun intended) daily maintenance at a time that suits everyone, I'm starting to think you work for them as more and more of your posts are enticing me to return

phobossion

Hmm I didn't really notice this on any of the armor I am wearing on my characters (mostly store costumes though), but if it is an actual issue, please stop discriminating against boobs TOS, thank you very much!

notimetocare

Lysette wrote: »

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

For a lot of us, these "aesthetic issues" ARE game-breaking bugs!

Dont worry, I understood that and you know that.
And to make this clear:

You in Return Should Unterstand:
Game developers have a Priority List. Making The Game fully functional Is definetly a top Priority.

A weird shaped character Is ugly, we know that.
BUT: You can Play The Game, no matter how ugly your character Is.
The Most Important Is, the underlying mechanics are working, then we can Continue and make it Look great aswell.

Short:
REALLY Game breaking stuff Needs to be fixed First(stuff that makes The Game unplayable) before The Games Visual appearance gets polished.

Broken Game with beautiful, detailed character?
Or
Working Game with ugly character, which will be beautiful later on?

Your Choice.


@Lysette

Did you Play ESO since PC Beta?
The Beta was so incredibly buggy and horrible to Play (was a lag fest including countless Crashes, bugs, Visual bugs, many "pink boxes" etc.), Even Me as a really, really huge TES Fan Almost gave up on ESO.

What im trying to say is, The bugs you encounter now, are veeeery few. ESO Went a Long way, And it improved so much in this Short timr, I cant Even think of Anything to Compare.

Well, I am used to a better service, where stuff actually works and when new expansion are out, new bugs found are dealt with within days - you want to know, what it is?- EVE online.

I gave ESO 1 star out of 5 - 4 for content, minus 1 for blatant greediness, minus 1 for lack of communication minus 1 for a broken client, game crashes and other stuff - leaving 1 - and currently it is minus 1 due to discrimination, leaving zero stars, I do not have fun to play the game anymore, IF I would be able to play it without to run into bugs and crashes within short at all. But it has crashes, missing textures, annoying audio issues, unreliable skills and performance issues.

This game is currently a mess and I do not want to play it for at least a week or more - I am just fed up with this crap. I might give it another try, eventually, but for now I am done with it.

Bye. I have barely any of the issue you mentioned. So either your rig can't handle the game, or you are blowing the issues out of proportion.