IMPORTANT UPDATE! ZOS PLEASE reconsider your decision to no longer make FEMALE Light armor!

Abeille

Just dropping by to say that not everything that is being introduced in the game deforms our characters. Most if not all costumes introduced with the Dark Brotherhood, be the ones you get from the quest line or the new cash shop ones on PTS, look pretty good in my opinion. I noticed no distortion.

So although they are still introducing some bad stuff and not fixing some old bad stuff, which considerably reduces our options, at least it is not an issue with ALL the new costumes.

Edit: Yes, I know the problem exists and I hope it gets fixed. I'm not saying we should accept it. I'm saying that acting like they are completely ignoring that female characters exist is taking it a little too far. Still, I hope they fix the sets and costumes affected someday.

MornaBaine

Abeille wrote: »

Just dropping by to say that not everything that is being introduced in the game deforms our characters. Most if not all costumes introduced with the Dark Brotherhood, be the ones you get from the quest line or the new cash shop ones on PTS, look pretty good in my opinion. I noticed no distortion.

So although they are still introducing some bad stuff and not fixing some old bad stuff, which considerably reduces our options, at least it is not an issue with ALL the new costumes.

Edit: Yes, I know the problem exists and I hope it gets fixed. I'm not saying we should accept it. I'm saying that acting like they are completely ignoring that female characters exist is taking it a little too far. Still, I hope they fix the sets and costumes affected someday.

It does reduce options but, even worse, since there's no preview function, you can't tell what ones will be deformed and which one will be okay. I've wasted soooo much gold on armor I simply can't wear.

Lysette

notimetocare wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

For a lot of us, these "aesthetic issues" ARE game-breaking bugs!

Dont worry, I understood that and you know that.
And to make this clear:

You in Return Should Unterstand:
Game developers have a Priority List. Making The Game fully functional Is definetly a top Priority.

A weird shaped character Is ugly, we know that.
BUT: You can Play The Game, no matter how ugly your character Is.
The Most Important Is, the underlying mechanics are working, then we can Continue and make it Look great aswell.

Short:
REALLY Game breaking stuff Needs to be fixed First(stuff that makes The Game unplayable) before The Games Visual appearance gets polished.

Broken Game with beautiful, detailed character?
Or
Working Game with ugly character, which will be beautiful later on?

Your Choice.


@Lysette

Did you Play ESO since PC Beta?
The Beta was so incredibly buggy and horrible to Play (was a lag fest including countless Crashes, bugs, Visual bugs, many "pink boxes" etc.), Even Me as a really, really huge TES Fan Almost gave up on ESO.

What im trying to say is, The bugs you encounter now, are veeeery few. ESO Went a Long way, And it improved so much in this Short timr, I cant Even think of Anything to Compare.

Well, I am used to a better service, where stuff actually works and when new expansion are out, new bugs found are dealt with within days - you want to know, what it is?- EVE online.

I gave ESO 1 star out of 5 - 4 for content, minus 1 for blatant greediness, minus 1 for lack of communication minus 1 for a broken client, game crashes and other stuff - leaving 1 - and currently it is minus 1 due to discrimination, leaving zero stars, I do not have fun to play the game anymore, IF I would be able to play it without to run into bugs and crashes within short at all. But it has crashes, missing textures, annoying audio issues, unreliable skills and performance issues.

This game is currently a mess and I do not want to play it for at least a week or more - I am just fed up with this crap. I might give it another try, eventually, but for now I am done with it.

Bye. I have barely any of the issue you mentioned. So either your rig can't handle the game, or you are blowing the issues out of proportion.

Well, it could before they broke the client again. That all issues reappeared shows me that they are clueless what the actual flaw in their code is, they do trial and error and that is why it takes so long. Which supports again one of my other points, greediness, too greedy to hire staff, which is actually up for the job - to not be able to fix such an issue in that amount of time they got already is just ridiculous, they need better staff, but they won't go for it due to their greediness.

Edit: and that they unpinned the 64-bit client issues thread, shows how they deal with the truth, they hide it, when it is showing a lot of flaws. You must be blind, not to see the many issue this game has. Wonder when they will unpin the "client crash" thread, to hide the issues from the public.

sadownik

notimetocare wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

For a lot of us, these "aesthetic issues" ARE game-breaking bugs!

Dont worry, I understood that and you know that.
And to make this clear:

You in Return Should Unterstand:
Game developers have a Priority List. Making The Game fully functional Is definetly a top Priority.

A weird shaped character Is ugly, we know that.
BUT: You can Play The Game, no matter how ugly your character Is.
The Most Important Is, the underlying mechanics are working, then we can Continue and make it Look great aswell.

Short:
REALLY Game breaking stuff Needs to be fixed First(stuff that makes The Game unplayable) before The Games Visual appearance gets polished.

Broken Game with beautiful, detailed character?
Or
Working Game with ugly character, which will be beautiful later on?

Your Choice.


@Lysette

Did you Play ESO since PC Beta?
The Beta was so incredibly buggy and horrible to Play (was a lag fest including countless Crashes, bugs, Visual bugs, many "pink boxes" etc.), Even Me as a really, really huge TES Fan Almost gave up on ESO.

What im trying to say is, The bugs you encounter now, are veeeery few. ESO Went a Long way, And it improved so much in this Short timr, I cant Even think of Anything to Compare.

Well, I am used to a better service, where stuff actually works and when new expansion are out, new bugs found are dealt with within days - you want to know, what it is?- EVE online.

I gave ESO 1 star out of 5 - 4 for content, minus 1 for blatant greediness, minus 1 for lack of communication minus 1 for a broken client, game crashes and other stuff - leaving 1 - and currently it is minus 1 due to discrimination, leaving zero stars, I do not have fun to play the game anymore, IF I would be able to play it without to run into bugs and crashes within short at all. But it has crashes, missing textures, annoying audio issues, unreliable skills and performance issues.

This game is currently a mess and I do not want to play it for at least a week or more - I am just fed up with this crap. I might give it another try, eventually, but for now I am done with it.

Bye. I have barely any of the issue you mentioned. So either your rig can't handle the game, or you are blowing the issues out of proportion.

No lag in Cyro? No problems with 64 bit client?

Lysette

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MornaBaine wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Just dropping by to say that not everything that is being introduced in the game deforms our characters. Most if not all costumes introduced with the Dark Brotherhood, be the ones you get from the quest line or the new cash shop ones on PTS, look pretty good in my opinion. I noticed no distortion.

So although they are still introducing some bad stuff and not fixing some old bad stuff, which considerably reduces our options, at least it is not an issue with ALL the new costumes.

Edit: Yes, I know the problem exists and I hope it gets fixed. I'm not saying we should accept it. I'm saying that acting like they are completely ignoring that female characters exist is taking it a little too far. Still, I hope they fix the sets and costumes affected someday.

It does reduce options but, even worse, since there's no preview function, you can't tell what ones will be deformed and which one will be okay. I've wasted soooo much gold on armor I simply can't wear.

Well, they are not going to make all female armors and reshape them a little for men - and they do as well not do female armor, where when a men would wear it, there would be no way to tell that he is a man. No, they do that to us women, like it always was in history, women can be trampled on, their wishes can be ignored, their personality neglected. That this is still happening in the 21st century is really bad, we are again not worth the effort, well ZOS, you might not be worth our money.

Daraugh

So I've been doing a little lore hunting and I can't find anything that says there were Dragon Priestesses beyond one piece of concept art that had been outsourced work. All of the references I found were "he." I'm of two minds on this. One is that is was a male specific cult, which isn't well supported by what we know from the rest of all of TES. Every cult, religion, guild and order has both male and female members. My other thought and the one that is indirectly supported by well known lore is that once the title Dragon Priest is obtained it transcends gender. The support for that comes from the Daedric Princes. They take the form they choose, male or female, but are all known as Princes.

Another thought is that as a Dragon Priest is a lich, while they have some semblance of a body left, mostly bone and hanging skin, the only people who would really be able to determine gender at that point are archeologists and anthropologists. (Like me ) There isn't much written about becoming a lich, but from in game quests we know it takes the energy of a multitude of souls. The absorption of souls is not limited to one gender, but draws from both. This action alone may cause the lich to appear as we see them, neither really male nor female as they look so similar. It's not the person or the gender that we see as much as the lich they've become.

This is the lich Arielle Jurard from Oblivion, who was once a female Breton battlemage

Here's Nahkriin from Skyrim, guarding the portal to Sovngarde. Listed as "he" in the UESP wiki.

And here from ESO is Spinner Indinael. Before her transformation during the questline, she looks like a perfectly normal Bosmer woman.

If there's any gender stealing going on, it's the necromantic power involved in becoming a lich. I wouldn't recommend it. Unless of course you want tremendous power, undeath, to raise your own unholy army against the living. I hear it's been working out great for Mannimarco!

Lysette

Daraugh wrote: »

So I've been doing a little lore hunting and I can't find anything that says there were Dragon Priestesses beyond one piece of concept art that had been outsourced work. All of the references I found were "he." I'm of two minds on this. One is that is was a male specific cult, which isn't well supported by what we know from the rest of all of TES. Every cult, religion, guild and order has both male and female members. My other thought and the one that is indirectly supported by well known lore is that once the title Dragon Priest is obtained it transcends gender. The support for that comes from the Daedric Princes. They take the form they choose, male or female, but are all known as Princes.

Another thought is that as a Dragon Priest is a lich, while they have some semblance of a body left, mostly bone and hanging skin, the only people who would really be able to determine gender at that point are archeologists and anthropologists. (Like me ) There isn't much written about becoming a lich, but from in game quests we know it takes the energy of a multitude of souls. The absorption of souls is not limited to one gender, but draws from both. This action alone may cause the lich to appear as we see them, neither really male nor female as they look so similar. It's not the person or the gender that we see as much as the lich they've become.

This is the lich Arielle Jurard from Oblivion, who was once a female Breton battlemage

Here's Nahkriin from Skyrim, guarding the portal to Sovngarde. Listed as "he" in the UESP wiki.

And here from ESO is Spinner Indinael. Before her transformation during the questline, she looks like a perfectly normal Bosmer woman.

If there's any gender stealing going on, it's the necromantic power involved in becoming a lich. I wouldn't recommend it. Unless of course you want tremendous power, undeath, to raise your own unholy army against the living. I hear it's been working out great for Mannimarco!

Well it is not about this only outfit, Gina said on a live show that they are not doing female meshes anymore, but just adjust the male version a little to match female anatomy - and later on in a thread Jessica said, that this is a mistake and they will fix it. Well, I guess Gina told the truth, but it was not indented for us to know the truth. I do not like this decision and I think it is not just lazy, but it is actually the fact, they they think they can do that to us and still get the money. Well, not from me anymore.

Artheiron

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Artheiron wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

First, Im a girl. Secondly, I dont even have anything against sexy stuff in games, but if the same item looks like a full-plate armor on male character and magically transforms into bikini on female one, it is a serious design issue. Why not to release 2 costumes then, 1 skimpy and 1 full plate? But lolnope, only female chars are treated as eye candy.
Speaking of perverts... If its all made for the sake of art and pure beauty, then why there's so much focus on female underwear and why all female chars have bouncing breasts and butts? If its just for realism, its kinda strange that male chars do not have such level of, ummm, detalization.

Also, the reason why I post in this thread is because I want the mesh issue fixed.
But leaning to the Asian design model is not a solution. As I said, I'd be happy if ESO adopted BDO graphics and char creator, but nothing else. To each their own of course. But there's a ton of Asian mmos - most of them dont even leave their market - and they're all very similar. BDO is only different because of graphics, and because it was released for EU/NA players. ESO is kind of interesting cause its a cross between mmo and TES game, and still has potential to be unique despite many technical issues.
Also, BDO is p2w in Russia, Korean and Japan, and no one can guarantee the developers wont choose the same route for Western version when the hype about graphics and cuteness is gone. Like Archeage for example.

I didn't say what I said assuming your gender is male and your gender got nothing to do with this anyway.

I think you got me wrong. I hate objectifying women in real life. But all the muscled men with adonises, shoulders and biceps bigger than my head, ladies with big bouncy boobs, these are quite the same and not objectifying a particular gender in video games. Because that's how heroic beings stylized in the video games and silver screen. And yes they are sexy.

You belive that a lady can throw fireballs at you, turn you into a walking potato and even fly and you don't believe she can fight in a bikini heavy armor? That's just a different point of view you'll call it objectifying I call it art. Knowing all the roman sculptures are naked, many paintings from renaissance era includes nudty, the music you listen today is all about sex. Well hello! an American female singer wrote a song for her butt. 587.131.017 viewers on youtube! ... I don't know what to say when someone complains about sexy toons in video games.

Well, in my book, sexy doesnt nessesarily mean sexist - after all, to each their own, and there should be such thing as artistic freedom. And yes, there are women who like sexy outfits on male characters.
But if the situation looks like this, it is sexist in my opinion:

And this is a common design issue, especially in Asian mmos.
In BDO, for example, there are different types of male characters - a brutal giant, an old mage, or a "prince Charming" type... But females are bound to be fashion models, no matter what. Ofc you can make green char with red eyes and deformed face, but presets and costumes are designed for fashion model type.

well in my book, if someone is turning on by looking at human crafted arts, it means that person is perverted. and this image is nothing but exaggeration. indeed there are some asian games done over this misconception but BDO is everything but sexist.

I hope you are not talking about design issues with a professional design background. this is not a design issue. a working design matches the consumers' needs or viewers' pleasure. not the other way around.' if they purposely did this to entertain adolescent males then yeah, design is pretty successful. your point is if that's moral or not. and nobody really wants a church simulator trust me. well maybe they do?

LadyNalcarya

Artheiron wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Artheiron wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

First, Im a girl. Secondly, I dont even have anything against sexy stuff in games, but if the same item looks like a full-plate armor on male character and magically transforms into bikini on female one, it is a serious design issue. Why not to release 2 costumes then, 1 skimpy and 1 full plate? But lolnope, only female chars are treated as eye candy.
Speaking of perverts... If its all made for the sake of art and pure beauty, then why there's so much focus on female underwear and why all female chars have bouncing breasts and butts? If its just for realism, its kinda strange that male chars do not have such level of, ummm, detalization.

Also, the reason why I post in this thread is because I want the mesh issue fixed.
But leaning to the Asian design model is not a solution. As I said, I'd be happy if ESO adopted BDO graphics and char creator, but nothing else. To each their own of course. But there's a ton of Asian mmos - most of them dont even leave their market - and they're all very similar. BDO is only different because of graphics, and because it was released for EU/NA players. ESO is kind of interesting cause its a cross between mmo and TES game, and still has potential to be unique despite many technical issues.
Also, BDO is p2w in Russia, Korean and Japan, and no one can guarantee the developers wont choose the same route for Western version when the hype about graphics and cuteness is gone. Like Archeage for example.

I didn't say what I said assuming your gender is male and your gender got nothing to do with this anyway.

I think you got me wrong. I hate objectifying women in real life. But all the muscled men with adonises, shoulders and biceps bigger than my head, ladies with big bouncy boobs, these are quite the same and not objectifying a particular gender in video games. Because that's how heroic beings stylized in the video games and silver screen. And yes they are sexy.

You belive that a lady can throw fireballs at you, turn you into a walking potato and even fly and you don't believe she can fight in a bikini heavy armor? That's just a different point of view you'll call it objectifying I call it art. Knowing all the roman sculptures are naked, many paintings from renaissance era includes nudty, the music you listen today is all about sex. Well hello! an American female singer wrote a song for her butt. 587.131.017 viewers on youtube! ... I don't know what to say when someone complains about sexy toons in video games.

Well, in my book, sexy doesnt nessesarily mean sexist - after all, to each their own, and there should be such thing as artistic freedom. And yes, there are women who like sexy outfits on male characters.
But if the situation looks like this, it is sexist in my opinion:

And this is a common design issue, especially in Asian mmos.
In BDO, for example, there are different types of male characters - a brutal giant, an old mage, or a "prince Charming" type... But females are bound to be fashion models, no matter what. Ofc you can make green char with red eyes and deformed face, but presets and costumes are designed for fashion model type.

well in my book, if someone is turning on by looking at human crafted arts, it means that person is perverted. end of the story. and this image is nothing but exaggeration. indeed there are some asian games done over this misconception but BDO is everything but sexist.

If you have nothing to say, say nothing.
And... Exaggeration, eh?


Same set, on male char and female char. Just picked a random one, but in Asian mmos there's a lot of more extreme versions.

Artheiron

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Artheiron wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Artheiron wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

First, Im a girl. Secondly, I dont even have anything against sexy stuff in games, but if the same item looks like a full-plate armor on male character and magically transforms into bikini on female one, it is a serious design issue. Why not to release 2 costumes then, 1 skimpy and 1 full plate? But lolnope, only female chars are treated as eye candy.
Speaking of perverts... If its all made for the sake of art and pure beauty, then why there's so much focus on female underwear and why all female chars have bouncing breasts and butts? If its just for realism, its kinda strange that male chars do not have such level of, ummm, detalization.

Also, the reason why I post in this thread is because I want the mesh issue fixed.
But leaning to the Asian design model is not a solution. As I said, I'd be happy if ESO adopted BDO graphics and char creator, but nothing else. To each their own of course. But there's a ton of Asian mmos - most of them dont even leave their market - and they're all very similar. BDO is only different because of graphics, and because it was released for EU/NA players. ESO is kind of interesting cause its a cross between mmo and TES game, and still has potential to be unique despite many technical issues.
Also, BDO is p2w in Russia, Korean and Japan, and no one can guarantee the developers wont choose the same route for Western version when the hype about graphics and cuteness is gone. Like Archeage for example.

I didn't say what I said assuming your gender is male and your gender got nothing to do with this anyway.

I think you got me wrong. I hate objectifying women in real life. But all the muscled men with adonises, shoulders and biceps bigger than my head, ladies with big bouncy boobs, these are quite the same and not objectifying a particular gender in video games. Because that's how heroic beings stylized in the video games and silver screen. And yes they are sexy.

You belive that a lady can throw fireballs at you, turn you into a walking potato and even fly and you don't believe she can fight in a bikini heavy armor? That's just a different point of view you'll call it objectifying I call it art. Knowing all the roman sculptures are naked, many paintings from renaissance era includes nudty, the music you listen today is all about sex. Well hello! an American female singer wrote a song for her butt. 587.131.017 viewers on youtube! ... I don't know what to say when someone complains about sexy toons in video games.

Well, in my book, sexy doesnt nessesarily mean sexist - after all, to each their own, and there should be such thing as artistic freedom. And yes, there are women who like sexy outfits on male characters.
But if the situation looks like this, it is sexist in my opinion:

And this is a common design issue, especially in Asian mmos.
In BDO, for example, there are different types of male characters - a brutal giant, an old mage, or a "prince Charming" type... But females are bound to be fashion models, no matter what. Ofc you can make green char with red eyes and deformed face, but presets and costumes are designed for fashion model type.

well in my book, if someone is turning on by looking at human crafted arts, it means that person is perverted. end of the story. and this image is nothing but exaggeration. indeed there are some asian games done over this misconception but BDO is everything but sexist.

If you have nothing to say, say nothing.
And... Exaggeration, eh?


Same set, on male char and female char. Just picked a random one, but in Asian mmos there's a lot of more extreme versions.

yes you are totally exaggerating the situation with really boring stereotypes like "asians are sexist". have you ever seen a guy like this? this guy here is 2+ meters tall. better physics than your average husband. besides, these games that have character customisation will forever have this kind of stuff.

1. go check 15 yo girls playing the sims, see how they dress their female toons up. it's almost the same. so it's not only for pleasing males, also females.
2. go check testosterone powered video games such as duke nukem, main chacter isn't half naked. instead fully muscled body with tons and tons of gears. so sexism isn't coming from the the way your character dresses.
3. read some comics, check out how superheroines, wonder women for example, power girl, black canary, zatanna. and learn how female heroes designed from 40's until today . and this one shows almost America found the way to design. and it's way sexy than your average asian mmorpg.


I say things whenever I want, I don't need your permission.

here a western heroine for your eyes' pleasure

LadyNalcarya

Artheiron wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Artheiron wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Artheiron wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

First, Im a girl. Secondly, I dont even have anything against sexy stuff in games, but if the same item looks like a full-plate armor on male character and magically transforms into bikini on female one, it is a serious design issue. Why not to release 2 costumes then, 1 skimpy and 1 full plate? But lolnope, only female chars are treated as eye candy.
Speaking of perverts... If its all made for the sake of art and pure beauty, then why there's so much focus on female underwear and why all female chars have bouncing breasts and butts? If its just for realism, its kinda strange that male chars do not have such level of, ummm, detalization.

Also, the reason why I post in this thread is because I want the mesh issue fixed.
But leaning to the Asian design model is not a solution. As I said, I'd be happy if ESO adopted BDO graphics and char creator, but nothing else. To each their own of course. But there's a ton of Asian mmos - most of them dont even leave their market - and they're all very similar. BDO is only different because of graphics, and because it was released for EU/NA players. ESO is kind of interesting cause its a cross between mmo and TES game, and still has potential to be unique despite many technical issues.
Also, BDO is p2w in Russia, Korean and Japan, and no one can guarantee the developers wont choose the same route for Western version when the hype about graphics and cuteness is gone. Like Archeage for example.

I didn't say what I said assuming your gender is male and your gender got nothing to do with this anyway.

I think you got me wrong. I hate objectifying women in real life. But all the muscled men with adonises, shoulders and biceps bigger than my head, ladies with big bouncy boobs, these are quite the same and not objectifying a particular gender in video games. Because that's how heroic beings stylized in the video games and silver screen. And yes they are sexy.

You belive that a lady can throw fireballs at you, turn you into a walking potato and even fly and you don't believe she can fight in a bikini heavy armor? That's just a different point of view you'll call it objectifying I call it art. Knowing all the roman sculptures are naked, many paintings from renaissance era includes nudty, the music you listen today is all about sex. Well hello! an American female singer wrote a song for her butt. 587.131.017 viewers on youtube! ... I don't know what to say when someone complains about sexy toons in video games.

Well, in my book, sexy doesnt nessesarily mean sexist - after all, to each their own, and there should be such thing as artistic freedom. And yes, there are women who like sexy outfits on male characters.
But if the situation looks like this, it is sexist in my opinion:

And this is a common design issue, especially in Asian mmos.
In BDO, for example, there are different types of male characters - a brutal giant, an old mage, or a "prince Charming" type... But females are bound to be fashion models, no matter what. Ofc you can make green char with red eyes and deformed face, but presets and costumes are designed for fashion model type.

well in my book, if someone is turning on by looking at human crafted arts, it means that person is perverted. end of the story. and this image is nothing but exaggeration. indeed there are some asian games done over this misconception but BDO is everything but sexist.

If you have nothing to say, say nothing.
And... Exaggeration, eh?


Same set, on male char and female char. Just picked a random one, but in Asian mmos there's a lot of more extreme versions.

yes you are totally exaggerating the situation with really boring stereotypes like "asians are sexist". have you ever seen a guy like this? this guy here is 2+ meters tall. better physics than your average husband. besides, these games that have character customisation will forever have this kind of stuff.

1. go check 15 yo girls playing the sims, see how they dress their female toons up. it's almost the same. so it's not only for pleasing males, also females.
2. go check testosterone powered video games such as duke nukem, main chacter isn't half naked. instead fully muscled body with tons and tons of gears. so sexism isn't coming from the the way your character dresses.
3. read some comics, check out how superheroines, wonder women for example, power girl, black canary, zatanna. and learn how female heroes designed from 40's until today . and this one shows almost America found the way to design. and it's way sexy than your average asian mmorpg.


I say things whenever I want, I don't need your permission.

here a western heroine for your eyes' pleasure

Oh nice... You dont even want to read a post you're replying to.
And you know what's boring? Youre rhetorics and assuming the things I didnt say.

Daraugh

If this thread becomes nothing but hyperbole, deciding which MMO is doing their armor "wrong" and furthering stereotypes, you all do realize we lose credibility? Keeping posts relevant to TES and armor bugs as well as bad aesthetics that are affecting both male and female characters in ESO is very important.

I'm guilty of knee jerk reaction posts myself and when that happens, I breathe, walk away from the forums to cool off a bit. This thread and keeping ESO beautiful really matters to me, I love this universe!

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @ZOS_GinaBruno I would be so grateful for a pop in to say you guys are still watching this thread.

khele23eb17_ESO

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

And this is a common design issue, especially in Asian mmos.

And this is a common design issue in ESO:



And that is the point here, not oversexualized female characters. So lets focus on the problem at hand instead of starting flame wars over skimpy clothes in other MMOs. Itll just get the thread locked.

LadyNalcarya

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

And this is a common design issue, especially in Asian mmos.

And this is a common design issue in ESO:



And that is the problem here, not oversexualized female characters. So lets focus on the problem at hand instead of starting flame wars over skimpy clothes in other MMOs. Itll just get the thread locked.

I agree.
Its just some people who tried to use another game as an example, and I pointed out thats it has its own problems.

Grileenor

I too think ZOS is heading the wrong way here. But there is an easy solution. Just ignore the ugly new stuff. There are lots'n'lots of good looking styles out there. If Zos wants us to use(or even buy) newer styles, those styles have to meet common looks for ESO.

I for one won't buy or even actively collect any further styles until ZOS changes them back to 'normal'

Thanks for the pics in this thread. Some of them look really really ugly.

Llilium

retracted, i just read the edited original post- I swear to god i thought i was about to quit the first MMO i've found actually FUN in the past near-decade

notimetocare

Lysette wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

For a lot of us, these "aesthetic issues" ARE game-breaking bugs!

Dont worry, I understood that and you know that.
And to make this clear:

You in Return Should Unterstand:
Game developers have a Priority List. Making The Game fully functional Is definetly a top Priority.

A weird shaped character Is ugly, we know that.
BUT: You can Play The Game, no matter how ugly your character Is.
The Most Important Is, the underlying mechanics are working, then we can Continue and make it Look great aswell.

Short:
REALLY Game breaking stuff Needs to be fixed First(stuff that makes The Game unplayable) before The Games Visual appearance gets polished.

Broken Game with beautiful, detailed character?
Or
Working Game with ugly character, which will be beautiful later on?

Your Choice.


@Lysette

Did you Play ESO since PC Beta?
The Beta was so incredibly buggy and horrible to Play (was a lag fest including countless Crashes, bugs, Visual bugs, many "pink boxes" etc.), Even Me as a really, really huge TES Fan Almost gave up on ESO.

What im trying to say is, The bugs you encounter now, are veeeery few. ESO Went a Long way, And it improved so much in this Short timr, I cant Even think of Anything to Compare.

Well, I am used to a better service, where stuff actually works and when new expansion are out, new bugs found are dealt with within days - you want to know, what it is?- EVE online.

I gave ESO 1 star out of 5 - 4 for content, minus 1 for blatant greediness, minus 1 for lack of communication minus 1 for a broken client, game crashes and other stuff - leaving 1 - and currently it is minus 1 due to discrimination, leaving zero stars, I do not have fun to play the game anymore, IF I would be able to play it without to run into bugs and crashes within short at all. But it has crashes, missing textures, annoying audio issues, unreliable skills and performance issues.

This game is currently a mess and I do not want to play it for at least a week or more - I am just fed up with this crap. I might give it another try, eventually, but for now I am done with it.

Bye. I have barely any of the issue you mentioned. So either your rig can't handle the game, or you are blowing the issues out of proportion.

Well, it could before they broke the client again. That all issues reappeared shows me that they are clueless what the actual flaw in their code is, they do trial and error and that is why it takes so long. Which supports again one of my other points, greediness, too greedy to hire staff, which is actually up for the job - to not be able to fix such an issue in that amount of time they got already is just ridiculous, they need better staff, but they won't go for it due to their greediness.

Edit: and that they unpinned the 64-bit client issues thread, shows how they deal with the truth, they hide it, when it is showing a lot of flaws. You must be blind, not to see the many issue this game has. Wonder when they will unpin the "client crash" thread, to hide the issues from the public.

'they broke the client' Assumptions, it is quite easy to break something adjusting and updating code. However, I have few issues with the game, so what is broken for you could be very specific.
Greed, always a laughable point. Everyone assumes greed and does not assume budget. Your bais is showing.
Unpinning a thread does not imply anything. You have to assume what is meant. Many reasons can exist, you would be lying not to admit that the forums population is full of vitriol. A toxic thread does nothing if they have the feedback they think they need. There are many reasons other than just 'lets hide the issue' to unpin the forum. Otherwise every feedback thread would be unpinned. The threads are not deleted, anyone can still find them and the issues. You act like there is some massive coverup.
If you are leaving the game, why are you still here crying about clothing?

Cavanoskus

notimetocare wrote: »

If you are leaving the game, why are you still here crying about clothing?

Probably because she'd rather they fixed it so she could continue to enjoy this game and not feel she has to leave in the first place. That's kind of what "feedback" is.

I've never experienced any of these crashing issues either, btw, but just because I've never personally seen a Ford Pinto explode doesn't mean I disagree with their recall.

MornaBaine

Okay everyone can we PLEASE table the "sexist" arguments? Not because they aren't valid but because 1. They are likely to get this thread locked. And 2. They are actually off topic. Yes, really, they are. The topic is "FIX ARMOR SO IT NO LONGER LOOKS DEFORMED ON FEMALE CHARACTERS!" I don't care WHY it looks deformed. I JUST WANT THEM TO FIX IT. So let's stay focused on that please. This thread is really helpful to the devs because of all the trouble people have gone to to take screenshots and show them what things look like and where they are wrong. It is helpful to keep on posting those things and I hope people will continue to do so. But they can only do that IF the thread doesn't get locked. So...your help and cooperation are appreciated. Thank you.

CokeVoAYCE

ZOS pleaaase. i need my females to look pretty!! go back to making individual armor models for both genders!!!

phobossion

lol I can't believe this has turned into "the devs are misogynistic for not modelling boobs on armor" kind of discussion. Especially in Elder Scrolls, where women play such a major role (maybe even bigger than men? I mean mages guild, the fighters guild, the thieves guild, the dark brotherhood are all led by women iirc AND there is an empress in the IC - I mean wtf more do you want?)

Anyway, is there any armor besides the new store one (something priest something?) that has this problem?

khele23eb17_ESO

phobossion wrote: »

lol I can't believe this has turned into "the devs are misogynistic for not modelling boobs on armor" kind of discussion. Especially in Elder Scrolls, where women play such a major role (maybe even bigger than men? I mean mages guild, the fighters guild, the thieves guild, the dark brotherhood are all led by women iirc AND there is an empress in the IC - I mean wtf more do you want?)

Anyway, is there any armor besides the new store one (something priest something?) that has this problem?

Youre oversimplifying the issue. Its not 'about boobs'. Its about:
1. cutting corners at the expense of one gender over the other
2. creating armor that disfigures and deforms female characters and looks simply awful
3. creating armor that in general ignores the choices youve made while designing your character.

phobossion

I was simply saying that if there is a franchise that does NOT discriminate against girls in any way, it's Elder Scrolls. If the studio doesn't have enough money to fund two versions of each armor, there isn't much they can do about it. Hopefully the new incentives for subs in DB will bring in more money and problems like these can be fixed.

khele23eb17_ESO

phobossion wrote: »

I was simply saying that if there is a franchise that does NOT discriminate against girls in any way, it's Elder Scrolls. If the studio doesn't have enough money to fund two versions of each armor, there isn't much they can do about it. Hopefully the new incentives for subs in DB will bring in more money and problems like these can be fixed.

Im not sure about 'doesnt have enough money'. I suspect its more like 'doesnt think its cost effective'.

Also, even without separate meshes for both genders, gear should look good on female characters, and not turn them into androgynous monobreasted abominations.

phobossion

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

phobossion wrote: »

I was simply saying that if there is a franchise that does NOT discriminate against girls in any way, it's Elder Scrolls. If the studio doesn't have enough money to fund two versions of each armor, there isn't much they can do about it. Hopefully the new incentives for subs in DB will bring in more money and problems like these can be fixed.

Im not sure about 'doesnt have enough money'. I suspect its more like 'doesnt think its cost effective'.

Yeah that's most likely the case - they just don't think they'll make enough money out of it to justify the added cost.

Taisynn

phobossion wrote: »

Yeah that's most likely the case - they just don't think they'll make enough money out of it to justify the added cost.

That's the thing. I haven't seen one female character wear these new costumes. Not one. And I tend to roam the world quite a bit. If I go to Mournhold, the only ones wearing them are male.

And here's the thing: there are a lot of female players and A LOT of male players playing female characters. They're killing a huge portion of their profits and time when they take shortcuts and disregard this player base. And frankly, many women are tired of taking the back burner on developer's priorities. Hell, we already face this treatment in RL; we don't need it in our game too. They'll be chasing away their female base not making armor look equally as good on women as they do on men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgmx7z49OEk

Lysette

notimetocare wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

For a lot of us, these "aesthetic issues" ARE game-breaking bugs!

Dont worry, I understood that and you know that.
And to make this clear:

You in Return Should Unterstand:
Game developers have a Priority List. Making The Game fully functional Is definetly a top Priority.

A weird shaped character Is ugly, we know that.
BUT: You can Play The Game, no matter how ugly your character Is.
The Most Important Is, the underlying mechanics are working, then we can Continue and make it Look great aswell.

Short:
REALLY Game breaking stuff Needs to be fixed First(stuff that makes The Game unplayable) before The Games Visual appearance gets polished.

Broken Game with beautiful, detailed character?
Or
Working Game with ugly character, which will be beautiful later on?

Your Choice.


@Lysette

Did you Play ESO since PC Beta?
The Beta was so incredibly buggy and horrible to Play (was a lag fest including countless Crashes, bugs, Visual bugs, many "pink boxes" etc.), Even Me as a really, really huge TES Fan Almost gave up on ESO.

What im trying to say is, The bugs you encounter now, are veeeery few. ESO Went a Long way, And it improved so much in this Short timr, I cant Even think of Anything to Compare.

Well, I am used to a better service, where stuff actually works and when new expansion are out, new bugs found are dealt with within days - you want to know, what it is?- EVE online.

I gave ESO 1 star out of 5 - 4 for content, minus 1 for blatant greediness, minus 1 for lack of communication minus 1 for a broken client, game crashes and other stuff - leaving 1 - and currently it is minus 1 due to discrimination, leaving zero stars, I do not have fun to play the game anymore, IF I would be able to play it without to run into bugs and crashes within short at all. But it has crashes, missing textures, annoying audio issues, unreliable skills and performance issues.

This game is currently a mess and I do not want to play it for at least a week or more - I am just fed up with this crap. I might give it another try, eventually, but for now I am done with it.

Bye. I have barely any of the issue you mentioned. So either your rig can't handle the game, or you are blowing the issues out of proportion.

Well, it could before they broke the client again. That all issues reappeared shows me that they are clueless what the actual flaw in their code is, they do trial and error and that is why it takes so long. Which supports again one of my other points, greediness, too greedy to hire staff, which is actually up for the job - to not be able to fix such an issue in that amount of time they got already is just ridiculous, they need better staff, but they won't go for it due to their greediness.

Edit: and that they unpinned the 64-bit client issues thread, shows how they deal with the truth, they hide it, when it is showing a lot of flaws. You must be blind, not to see the many issue this game has. Wonder when they will unpin the "client crash" thread, to hide the issues from the public.

'they broke the client' Assumptions, it is quite easy to break something adjusting and updating code. However, I have few issues with the game, so what is broken for you could be very specific.
Greed, always a laughable point. Everyone assumes greed and does not assume budget. Your bais is showing.
Unpinning a thread does not imply anything. You have to assume what is meant. Many reasons can exist, you would be lying not to admit that the forums population is full of vitriol. A toxic thread does nothing if they have the feedback they think they need. There are many reasons other than just 'lets hide the issue' to unpin the forum. Otherwise every feedback thread would be unpinned. The threads are not deleted, anyone can still find them and the issues. You act like there is some massive coverup.
If you are leaving the game, why are you still here crying about clothing?

You forget that I am still a subscriber and I never said I would be leaving. I said I have currently no intention to play the game for a week or more and that I am not going to spend any more money on this game, as long as I can basically not play it, because the client is bugged and it is simply no fun to play by this and other reasons. But I am still a customer with a right to be here. I paid for the game and I am an active subscriber, I have a right to express my dissatisfaction with the service.

Lysette

Cavanoskus wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

If you are leaving the game, why are you still here crying about clothing?

Probably because she'd rather they fixed it so she could continue to enjoy this game and not feel she has to leave in the first place. That's kind of what "feedback" is.

I've never experienced any of these crashing issues either, btw, but just because I've never personally seen a Ford Pinto explode doesn't mean I disagree with their recall.

Indeed, what is so disappointing is, that it worked quite well for me for most of the time, when others had problems, but the more they "fixed" stuff, the more it got broken for me (the 64-bit client that is). And I have rather standard equipment, intel CPU, Nividia graphics, original sound blaster cinema audio. I can expect it to work on this standard hardware, it is not that I would have a cheap noname setup, that is all top brand quality - which runs all other games like a charm, just not this one.

CherryCake

Taisynn wrote: »

And here's the thing: there are a lot of female players and A LOT of male players playing female characters.

That is exactly what confuses me as to why they didnt try to make those armors good enough for female bodies... It would also show that it has nothing to do with Zos not caring about the female community but probably that they just do everything too fast in releasing DLCS and costumes etc.

So basically it shows that ZOS doesnt care about their community in general...dont know if it makes it better or worse.

khele23eb17_ESO

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

That is exactly what confuses me as to why they didnt try to make those armors good enough for female bodies... It would also show that it has nothing to do with Zos not caring about the female community but probably that they just do everything too fast in releasing DLCS and costumes etc.

Im pretty sure if they hired a full team of designers to make crown store cosmetic items, that team would manage to put out quality products for both genders at the needed rate and make the company a huge pile of money.