IMPORTANT UPDATE! ZOS PLEASE reconsider your decision to no longer make FEMALE Light armor!

LMar

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.

Please take a look on the Alliance Styles as well. My light armour DC robe makes my argonian look like a top heavy balloon obliterating any definition between torso and waistline Thank you!

Leandor

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom thanks for commenting on this thread, much appreciated. If I may be so bold to ask, please extend your investigations also to other armor types. Point in case, mercenary medium as well as heavy completely obliterate upper chest form on female chars.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Leandor wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom thanks for commenting on this thread, much appreciated. If I may be so bold to ask, please extend your investigations also to other armor types. Point in case, mercenary medium as well as heavy completely obliterate upper chest form on female chars.

Will do, thank you! Reports of what specific armor sets look "off" on female models is especially helpful. Bonus for screenshots of the issue, as that's super useful for the art teams.

khele23eb17_ESO

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.

While youre at it, mind having a look at some of those armors looking rather bloated on males too?

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.

While youre at it, mind having a look at some of those armors looking rather bloated on males too?

Would you be able to provide a list of item sets you're aware of that are doing this? The same issue we're looking at for certain item sets on female character models may be impacting male models, too.

Moonshadow66

MornaBaine wrote: »

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings everyone,

We are glad to see everyone's thoughts about female light armor. While we can understand this can be a touchy subject, we would like to request that we all keep in mind, we would like to keep all threads respectful, civil, and constructive. We have recently taken a moment tp remove some rather Inappropriate Content and Language.

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One specific term we’d like to call out, as well, is the term “gay.” It is never appropriate to use “gay” as a derogatory term.

Please be aware that future violations of the Community Rules may result in this thread being closed and removed from the ESOTU forums. Thank you for your understanding.

Don't suppose we could get an actual "official" comment as to why this awful decision was made, could we?

I just thought the same thing. It's always just a reminder to "behave ourselves", never an actual statement about the topic. How old are we? 10? I don't need anyone who keeps telling me to shut up or else, I want answers.

Edit: I just see that Jessica is actually replying to some comments. That's a good thing!

Moonshadow66

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.

I reported about the Trinimac (robe) months ago, also on the forums. Well... I guess it depends WHO reports it. And since I'm not subbed anymore.. nvm then.

Edit: and while I'm at it: why does, obviously, no one test the armor first before releasing it? This very same robe had, besides of the still existing distortions, even a huge mesh glitch in the front, and no one saw that? I would never release anything untested, that's just unprofessional.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

I reported about the Trinimac (robe) months ago, also on the forums. Well... I guess it depends WHO reports it. And since I'm not subbed anymore.. nvm then.

Apologies, @khele23eb17_ESO - we do our best to see everything on these forums, but we can't be everywhere at once 24/7. Things do get missed. What made us notice this thread where maybe we missed others was the screenshot comparisons. Those were very, very helpful.

MornaBaine

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom thanks for commenting on this thread, much appreciated. If I may be so bold to ask, please extend your investigations also to other armor types. Point in case, mercenary medium as well as heavy completely obliterate upper chest form on female chars.

Will do, thank you! Reports of what specific armor sets look "off" on female models is especially helpful. Bonus for screenshots of the issue, as that's super useful for the art teams.

Phoenix Robe
Meritorious Service Robe.

THANK YOU!

MissBizz

@IrishGirlGamer Just pinging you to make sure you notice Jessica has replied here that some armor looking that way is not intended

WalkingLegacy

MissBizz wrote: »

@IrishGirlGamer Just pinging you to make sure you notice Jessica has replied here that some armor looking that way is not intended

Now it's problem, after how much traction the thread has gotten but I remember Moonshadows threads fairly well not too long ago.

failkiwib16_ESO

@Hope499 I think you misunderstood the intention of this thread all together. We're not asking for erotic japanese style RPG armor, or Skyrim waifu mods ...but simple costumized versions of the current armors, for our female characters.

With costumized I mean fit for the various female models in this game. Currently we have armor created for male models, put on our female ones, which makes it look distorted and weird.

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@ZOS_JessicaFolsom thank you for showing that ZOS does concern itself with this, I was worried before that.

MissBizz

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

IrishGirlGamer Just pinging you to make sure you notice Jessica has replied here that some armor looking that way is not intended

Now it's problem, after how much traction the thread has gotten but I remember Moonshadows threads fairly well not too long ago.

@WalkingLegacy I can't say for sure who started it, but I recall another thread awhile back about this issue and believe I had even commented on it. Like Jessica said.. They can't see everything. Really, this thread growing large which also kept it consistently bumped to recents probably helped ZOS notice it.

Sugaroverdose

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.

So, Gina didn't tell this?

MornaBaine wrote: »

Actually, yes, they really DID mean to do this. Gina actually literally SAID SO on ESO live. Don't believe me?

See ESO LIVE Episode 13 at 00:35:20.

When sh*t starts to boil ZOS does changes their mind and invest into fixing, good to know it.

WalkingLegacy

MissBizz wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

IrishGirlGamer Just pinging you to make sure you notice Jessica has replied here that some armor looking that way is not intended

Now it's problem, after how much traction the thread has gotten but I remember Moonshadows threads fairly well not too long ago.

@WalkingLegacy I can't say for sure who started it, but I recall another thread awhile back about this issue and believe I had even commented on it. Like Jessica said.. They can't see everything. Really, this thread growing large which also kept it consistently bumped to recents probably helped ZOS notice it.

I'd agree with you, but simple noticeable things like this should be seen if anyone at ZOS actually played the game. Shouldn't take months of threads and thousands of views.

Especially when they have still said that the costumes are designed around premade bodies - it will still be an ongoing issue.

LMar

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.

While youre at it, mind having a look at some of those armors looking rather bloated on males too?

Would you be able to provide a list of item sets you're aware of that are doing this? The same issue we're looking at for certain item sets on female character models may be impacting male models, too.

Thanks for answering on various posts. Here are some screenshots of my Argonian in the armour of the Phoenix (Light armour robe, DC alliance). Check the difference in the chest area. Thank you!

Before (wearing the Robe of the Lich)


and after

khele23eb17_ESO

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.

While youre at it, mind having a look at some of those armors looking rather bloated on males too?

Would you be able to provide a list of item sets you're aware of that are doing this? The same issue we're looking at for certain item sets on female character models may be impacting male models, too.

Ive not acquired many of the new item sets, but I did notice some weird bloating while playing with stuff on PTS. It affects arms and legs especially. It makes average characters bulky and muscular characters... round. This what I have in mind (imagine shoulder armor on top of that):



When I tried it on a muscular orc and it looked absurd.

Elsonso

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom thanks for commenting on this thread, much appreciated. If I may be so bold to ask, please extend your investigations also to other armor types. Point in case, mercenary medium as well as heavy completely obliterate upper chest form on female chars.

Will do, thank you! Reports of what specific armor sets look "off" on female models is especially helpful. Bonus for screenshots of the issue, as that's super useful for the art teams.

Honestly, if your art teams can't see this, that is probably part of the core problem.

zerosingularity

My suggestion is to have the ZoS testers internally just craft 1 armor piece (chests at v10+ seem most relevant) of EVERY style/weight, and compare on male and female characters. This way everything is confirmed checked. Also I suggest it is done on live and not on internal servers, because patch bugginess.

It's a brute force method, but that's what makes it effective.

In addition, not sure if it has been mentioned yet or is true, but the Malacath heavy chest piece seems very...barrel-like on female characters, as opposed to glass which looks very appealing.

Nifty2g

Yes, I get to use my high elf for a show off finally @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Left Heavy Trinimac
Right Heavy Xivkyn


Bonus points, heavy xivkyn is a perfect example for good heavy armor design for female characters, good template to follow

LegendaryArcher

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom please also consider the Veteran Maelstrom Arena Baron Polymorph. This is the only polymorph in game that has no gender (except skeleton). All the other Daedra/Dremora polymorphs are gender-specific, even though they technically don't have a gender (lore). But turning a female character into a wide-shouldered male is just disgusting. There are more female-like Dremora like Lyranth. Please consider it.

Nifty2g

lordrichter wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom thanks for commenting on this thread, much appreciated. If I may be so bold to ask, please extend your investigations also to other armor types. Point in case, mercenary medium as well as heavy completely obliterate upper chest form on female chars.

Will do, thank you! Reports of what specific armor sets look "off" on female models is especially helpful. Bonus for screenshots of the issue, as that's super useful for the art teams.

Honestly, if your art teams can't see this, that is probably part of the core problem.

Maybe stop to realise that the art team cared enough to listen to the community and get sets that we don't like that they created and are fixing it up.
I mean obviously they wanted some sets to be bulky than others, now saying it's not intended and asking what sets we want changed is a pretty nice thing.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.

So, Gina didn't tell this?

MornaBaine wrote: »

Actually, yes, they really DID mean to do this. Gina actually literally SAID SO on ESO live. Don't believe me?

See ESO LIVE Episode 13 at 00:35:20.

When sh*t starts to boil ZOS does changes their mind and invest into fixing, good to know it.

Actually, what Gina was referring to in the quote above is something completely different than what is being discussed and reported in this thread. The removal of the "boob window" from certain light armor sets did not result in the odd female torso geometry you're seeing on certain light armor sets, and is not intended behavior. To be clear, when we say we're looking at making improvements to address this issue, we're not talking about putting "boob windows" back on certain light armor sets.

Sugaroverdose

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.

So, Gina didn't tell this?

MornaBaine wrote: »

Actually, yes, they really DID mean to do this. Gina actually literally SAID SO on ESO live. Don't believe me?

See ESO LIVE Episode 13 at 00:35:20.

When sh*t starts to boil ZOS does changes their mind and invest into fixing, good to know it.

Actually, what Gina was referring to in the quote above is something completely different than what is being discussed and reported in this thread. The removal of the "boob window" from certain light armor sets did not result in the odd female torso geometry you're seeing on certain light armor sets, and is not intended behavior. To be clear, when we say we're looking at making improvements to address this issue, we're not talking about putting "boob windows" back on certain light armor sets.

So it's not boiled enough

xboxone1Q

Why do I care I have 2 male guys on here.

adriant1978

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Actually, what Gina was referring to in the quote above is something completely different than what is being discussed and reported in this thread. The removal of the "boob window" from certain light armor sets did not result in the odd female torso geometry you're seeing on certain light armor sets, and is not intended behavior. To be clear, when we say we're looking at making improvements to address this issue, we're not talking about putting "boob windows" back on certain light armor sets.

I don't think anyone here is asking for the "boob window" to return, but rather getting concerned about the "we no longer created custom female torsos for armor sets. Rather, we typically used the male torso piece to fit the female with some anatomical changes where they were necessary" part of the quote.

helediron

For now Malacath, Outlaw, Soul Shriven and with some complains Trinimac are good quality. Alliance styles have bad female distortion problems.

Troubles:
- Ebonheart light armor chest inflates like a balloon on females. I tested it on two males, on skinny and beefy, and they were okay.
- Ebonheart heavy chest makes females much slimmer than without armor. (edit: my mistake, compared to other armor that widened waist)
- Aldmeri light armor chest turn females to boys.
- Daggerfall light seems to be similarly formed balloon, but tested on one toon for now.
- Trinimac light chest looks on females like cardboard origami.
- Soul Shriven belt is Breton and undyeable.
- Malacath shield is colourless and undyeable. There is a large gap between hand or back and shield.
- Malacath heavy helmet is open on top and makes everybody bald.
- Malacath light chest has a hole in stomach. It is close to skin colour and looks like texture is missing. Especially with jerkin it looks strange.

helediron

Daggerfall light jerkin on female is same kind of balloon as other alliance styles:

Asherons_Call

Maybe she just has one giant boob that is hump shaped on the front of her body? Not the clothes' fault!

phreatophile

Not completely relevent to the topic at hand, but if you guys are really looking at armor errors now.

-Light Trinimac shoulders are white and take no dye unless helmet is hidden, then they appear normal.