IMPORTANT UPDATE! ZOS PLEASE reconsider your decision to no longer make FEMALE Light armor!

Katahdin

Yeah....those new armors look pretty hideous. The make the characters look hugely deformed or like teenage boys (the AD armor). Seriously was there a sexual harassment case against ZoS and they now cant draw proper female anatomy or something?

SlayerTheDragon

{I just posted this on another post }

WTF happened in the costume department? I mean seriously, everyone is complaining. Their work lately is so crappy.

Look at the legs of this costume after the 2.3 fix.

babylon

Well 10 pages now with no official comment on the way forward from here, given it's clear people are quite unhappy with this decision. The discussion has been polite and views expressed clearly. Can we maybe get some official input ZOS?

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO

babylon wrote: »

Well 10 pages now with no official comment on the way forward from here, given it's clear people are quite unhappy with this decision. The discussion has been polite and views expressed clearly. Can we maybe get some official input ZOS?

Zenimax can't answer right now, they're too busy laughing all the way to the bank. Please try again later. :P

phreatophile

The "they did this cuz feminists" bit is laughable when you look at the little mini and halter numbers in the crown store showcase this month.

This wasn't done to please prudes or scolds, it was done to cut corners.

babylon

phreatophile wrote: »

The "they did this cuz feminists" bit is laughable when you look at the little mini and halter numbers in the crown store showcase this month.

This wasn't done to please prudes or scolds, it was done to cut corners.

Agreed - that's quite clear, it has nothing to do with attempting to please some extreme minority group...this decision is about money.


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Leandor

Wouldn't it perhaps be more constructive to abolish speculating on the reason for the change and instead of blacklisting this thread by the constant cost and/or sexism rants, just make a plea for the reinstatement of the original model?

babylon

Leandor wrote: »

Wouldn't it perhaps be more constructive to abolish speculating on the reason for the change and instead of blacklisting this thread by the constant cost and/or sexism rants, just make a plea for the reinstatement of the original model?

Agreed - ZOS - do we get the female meshes back, and made for all armour and costumes in the future (and retroactively) as well?

Daraugh

This is far worse than caving in on the orc boob window, which imo was the only reason to wear orc armor as it was the only thing that made it unique. This is incredibly lazy work, the meshes already exist, we know they do since the armor that predates the Trinimac motif etc looks just fine! The orc boob window for example, was at worse a fun fantasy sexy that showed a female orc's "come closer and I'll punch your teeth in" attitude to me. It was awesome. Not in real life of course, but it's a fantasy game!

Now it's become sexism in real life. They're saving money by cutting corners on the females. I know the devs read these posts, whether or not they're responding. So let me say this, what you're presenting is that it's ok to cut corners and do shoddy work if it's only females that get hurt by it.

Is that what you want me to tell my daughter when she grows up? Sorry sweetie, the world is made to fit men and you have the wrong body type so your clothes will never fit, here or in a fantasy game.

Elsonso

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Leandor wrote: »

Wouldn't it perhaps be more constructive to abolish speculating on the reason for the change and instead of blacklisting this thread by the constant cost and/or sexism rants, just make a plea for the reinstatement of the original model?

That is pretty much what the title of the thread says.

People have an insatiable need to explain things, though. ZOS has never really come out to say why they did this, only that they were going to use the male torso model and put in female anatomy as needed.

From ESO Live #13, this is what Gina said. I include the "boob window" comment, as well as the male torso comment.

"The only asset that we changed to really address the revealing armor issue was... well... the boob window, as everybody calls it. That was found on the orc female heavy armor. This was actually supposed to be fixed prior to launch but, just didn't get around to it.

The female Redguard armor changed because we no longer created custom female torsos for armor sets. Rather, we typically used the male torso piece to fit the female with some anatomical changes where they were necessary.

When we updated the Redguard armors, the overall look changed and we actually lost some of the halter top pieces. No offense was really intended, and we recognized that this kinda disappointed some of you. We aren't really planning on changing any additional armors that exist in the game, but we are discussing options for new clothing designs, maybe like halter tops, that can be added to clothing styles that you can find in the game, and also looking into some fashionable options for the Crown Store.

We have been following the discussion about all of these changes and we are going to use that as feedback to kind of inform other decisions about armor and clothing styles moving forward."

We don't know why, and parts of this answer make about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine. (Why change the female Redguard armor "because they typically used a male torso" when the female torso had already been used?)

We do know that they have continued, since then, to introduce new female armor sets built on the male torso with "anatomical changes", as necessary. They also introduced new clothing designs, including those halter tops, and it is clear that they followed the same male torso with "anatomical changes" (again, as necessary) decision. For whatever reason, they are in held in thrall by this decision.

I think it will be a very cold day in the Deadlands before they fix this. The ultimate reason why they did this, if they ever actually say, will make little difference. No matter what they say, the armor and clothing is broken and, unless they change it, it will still be broken. The best we can hope for is that new models are fixed, but that might take months, or years, to happen given lead times. That is what I hope this thread does.

Phinix1

So wait. You're telling me that disgusting, deformed torso that doesn't even look right on a male character is NOT a model bug and is how ZOS INTENDED it to look?

That is almost beyond belief.

LadyNalcarya

phreatophile wrote: »

The "they did this cuz feminists" bit is laughable when you look at the little mini and halter numbers in the crown store showcase this month.

This wasn't done to please prudes or scolds, it was done to cut corners.

Ofc that wasnt because of feminists.
But cutting corners on stuff that theyre selling in crown store is like shooting themselves in the knee.

Necrelios

The new style looks very much like a maternity outfit. Possible new DLC? The Maternity Ward of Imperial City? Hmm... no children in ESO though. It's all rather disturbing.

wesly.backersb16_ESO

The Digital Curving Machine is lost at ZOS...

WalkingLegacy

I wonder if their armor and costume developers are third party artistists. Like they contract out for cheap.

babylon

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

I wonder if their armor and costume developers are third party artistists. Like they contract out for cheap.

And yet apparently too expensive to also afford a female mesh.

LadyNalcarya

babylon wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

I wonder if their armor and costume developers are third party artistists. Like they contract out for cheap.

And yet apparently too expensive to also afford a female mesh.

The most disturbing thing is that theyre ok with giving away 1 million dollars, but making female meshes is too expensive for them.
Even though theyre making profit from these costumes and motifs.

urkonse

who cares....it really doesnt matter what your armor looks like.

Tiphis

Agreed

Thevampirenight

They would be better off by only making female armors and converting them to act like male armors instead of converting male armors to be female armors.
Female armors are always more popular I think.
But if they were smart they would stop cutting corners, no just no to making it one gendered.
We need female sided armors. Not Male armor being changed into female armor that does not look good.
All crown store costumes that are female should be made by using female model not male.

Joy_Division

This is unacceptable.

The game has a lot of flaws - unfixed bugs like toppling charge, lag in PvP, went over a year without a new Trial, etc. - the art/aesthetics I always felt was one of the games strong points and what kept me playing and enjoying ESO despite all the frustration with the game.

Now ZoS is cutting corners and getting lazy on what was on one of its strengths.

phillyboy7897

There will be more cutbacks most likely, we are in money squeeze phase, ladies and gentlemen.

Expect female torso clothing to be available in the crown store.

failkiwib16_ESO

I wonder if ESO is going down as a game, and that's why they're cutting corners on this issue. This actually worries me....

LadyNalcarya

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

I wonder if ESO is going down as a game, and that's why they're cutting corners on this issue. This actually worries me....

It doesnt make sense in any case. Those vanity items dont require much effort and they're basically easy money for them. Its just 2 models and a set of textures, and they can sell it for half of DLC price.
And the issue with female models was present since they started releasing crown costumes.

Gothlander

Dude looks like a lady, yeah, yeah dude looks like a lady..

failkiwib16_ESO

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

I wonder if ESO is going down as a game, and that's why they're cutting corners on this issue. This actually worries me....

It doesnt make sense in any case. Those vanity items dont require much effort and they're basically easy money for them. Its just 2 models and a set of textures, and they can sell it for half of DLC price.
And the issue with female models was present since they started releasing crown costumes.

@KoshkaMurka like you mentioned it's not expensive to create armor to fit female models ..which is why it worries me that they they are cutting corners this bad.

TES series are known for character costumization, addons and mods, free choice to play gender, role and race. ZOS knows this, there is a reason they have published so many costumes and disguises in their crown store and in their game through questing, even when you level up vet ranks you get rewarded with a costume.
-I doubt that ZOS have hired people with an IQ below 20 to make these choices for the game. And them not costumizing armor for female models is something that hurts the community overall. They made this terrible decision well knowning of the consequences.

I am honestly worried about them shutting down their servers now.

NewBlacksmurf

Leandor wrote: »

Wouldn't it perhaps be more constructive to abolish speculating on the reason for the change and instead of blacklisting this thread by the constant cost and/or sexism rants, just make a plea for the reinstatement of the original model?

applause....yes!

Minno

MornaBaine wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

But it's more "realistic"... ppptth. This is what so many of you whined and cried about... now you have it. Happy now?

But it's NOT realistic Gid! THAT is the problem! If they want to make metal chestpieces that look like this:



I am actually FINE with that! But when it's a garment made from, supposedly, CLOTH? No, just no. It doesn't look at all like an attempt at "realism" anyway. It looks like exactly what it is, a way to cut corners, terribly shoddy workmanship. It doesn't look like a woman wearing realistic armor. it looks deformed and cheap. And it is.

When I called for boob armor to disappear, it was within context of metal heavy armor or more protective leather variants.

Cloth should be wide ranged in style, because both men and female enjoy Fashion and cloth is not protective anyway.

Conquistador

DonoVDV wrote: »

{I just posted this on another post }

WTF happened in the costume department? I mean seriously, everyone is complaining. Their work lately is so crappy.

Look at the legs of this costume after the 2.3 fix.

WOW LOL THAT IS HORRID.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Hi everyone,

We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.