IMPORTANT UPDATE! ZOS PLEASE reconsider your decision to no longer make FEMALE Light armor!

Prabooo

helediron wrote: »

I agree with OP. Having some rigid armors were first okay, but now they spit out these "fixed frames" maybe too much.

I quickly scanned through some photos i have. The alts below wear usually light armor but chest is heavy or medium. Let's see...
Aldmeri Dominion style looks fixed frame (more):


This is a curvy alt, first in Xivkyn, then in AD and Daggerfall:
EDIT: new images

AD (more)

Daggerfall (more)


Ebonheart has no mesh (more):
EDIT: fixed wrong picture


Malacth seems to be decent (full light set):




But Trinimac again fixed frame (full light set):


This is interesting, and i could take a closer look. I'll make some alliance light armors to check them on few different alts. I might test also few males, because i have both athletes and dinner table heros.

ugly

khele23eb17_ESO

Asherons_Call wrote: »

Maybe she just has one giant boob that is hump shaped on the front of her body? Not the clothes' fault!

Men get beer guts, women get beer monobreasts :P

NewBlacksmurf

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.

So as results of any confirmations, can we expect new models for any and all. including costumes that remove our character choices during character creation, not limited to females?

Praeficere

While you're at it, could you also look at how tabards interact with certain chest pieces?

Here's Trinimac Heavy (and no that's not my normal chest piece) - it also occurs with the Mercenary heavy chest and Abah's Watch (PvP sets), and I'm sure there are more. I understand that as the newer chest armours are actually new objects rather than a texture going over the body, it takes longer to intergrate acceptable custom Tabard mashes. It would be nice to not have to decide on what chest piece is removed because of a tabard when making gear.

With tabard:


Without tabard:


@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Asherons_Call

Jessica, you had me at "boob window"

Khaos_Bane

Wow it certainly does look awful.

helediron

Asherons_Call wrote: »

Maybe she just has one giant boob that is hump shaped on the front of her body? Not the clothes' fault!

Nah, not a hump, she's shapeshifter. You can ogle bigger pics on previous pages.

Xivkyn girl, AD boy, malacath madam, Daggerfall droid.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Asherons_Call wrote: »

Jessica, you had me at "boob window"

See! They're hazardous to your safety and don't go well with pointy objects. Even in space.

Thanks for the continued examples, everyone. They're helpful!

FortheloveofKrist

lordrichter wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

But it's more "realistic"... ppptth. This is what so many of you whined and cried about... now you have it. Happy now?

There is a difference between offering more realistic options and making mashes that does not adapt to your character's body.

ZOS didn't do this to make anything more realistic, it was to cut corners. Same mesh for male and female does not equal "realistic".

Oh, I think we all agree that this was done to cut corners @Abeille , but I'm pretty sure the "Excuse" was that they are doing this to appease the small handful off people that found boob armor and femininity in ESO offensive.

I highly doubt this.

I don't doubt it at all. Why should ZoS be forced to make armor that accentuates some 14-year-old kid's new High Elf brick house at 36, 24, 36? Why would a female warrior be forced to wear booby armor just cause it shows off her form? Would a warrior do that? No.

Sorry, but some of us are glad ZoS eschews such confining gender norms you insist on showing off just so you're toon can look "hot."

Atreidus

Would an Troll Warrior do? Sure !
No. Serious. The female models for light armour are just normal. No female would wear a sack.Or?

/edit: if you think thats to much then dont step in the cellar at orsinium. There are 2 Womans in Bikinis!
And Even if: its setted at the middle age.

phreatophile

Asherons_Call wrote: »

Jessica, you had me at "boob window"

Dammit Jim!

Moonscythe

helediron wrote: »

Daggerfall light jerkin on female is same kind of balloon as other alliance styles:

Now I see the problem. Someone got hold of an Elizabethan costume book and thought we all wanted to look like Elizabeth I only without spilling our abundant boobage over the top.

Atreidus

yes..

Elsonso

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

I highly doubt this.

I don't doubt it at all. Why should ZoS be forced to make armor that accentuates some 14-year-old kid's new High Elf brick house at 36, 24, 36? Why would a female warrior be forced to wear booby armor just cause it shows off her form? Would a warrior do that? No.

Sorry, but some of us are glad ZoS eschews such confining gender norms you insist on showing off just so you're toon can look "hot."

@FortheloveofKrist ,,, I highly doubted this because the issue in this thread is not about boobs at all.

They say it is not intended. They say they are looking into it. I stand by my "I highly doubt it" statement because, as it turns out, it is correct.

MornaBaine

MissBizz wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

IrishGirlGamer Just pinging you to make sure you notice Jessica has replied here that some armor looking that way is not intended

Now it's problem, after how much traction the thread has gotten but I remember Moonshadows threads fairly well not too long ago.

@WalkingLegacy I can't say for sure who started it, but I recall another thread awhile back about this issue and believe I had even commented on it. Like Jessica said.. They can't see everything. Really, this thread growing large which also kept it consistently bumped to recents probably helped ZOS notice it.

Yes this isn't even MY first thread on the subject. But I think I used a more descriptive and useful title this time. I am super grateful and pleased this is going to get looked into and, hopefully, fixed. If it really IS unintended I'm a little mindboggled that NO ONE on their end noticed the issue all this time. But hey, I'll take this as a win and be happy. Thanks loads @ZOS_JessicaFolsom for all your input! I'm going to amend the OP with this update!

Icy

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Will do, thank you! Reports of what specific armor sets look "off" on female models is especially helpful. Bonus for screenshots of the issue, as that's super useful for the art teams.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Please see picture examples in the threads:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/253903/bug-marksman-mesh-for-female-characters-not-actually-female
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2663466/#Comment_2663466 (PTS Forum)
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2796643/#Comment_2796643

Sheezabeast

I made a Pact Light Robe for my female character yesterday, and I had to decon it within 20 minutes of making it because it was so bad looking on her. It literally looked like she had a bullet proof vest on underneath the robe and it was wonky. I'm really happy I got the Dragon Scute back from decon, as I love Light Pact Hoods But for the love of cheese, PLEASE remedy this

I'm very happy to see the community and the Zos forum moderators interracting positively. Gives me a little hope in this community

Atreidus

The problem is the language barrier sometimes.

Mashille

It's not just some female armours that get this 'Bloating'. Some male armours and costumes look like they are inflated suits which increase the size of my character greatly.

Look how the Merchant Lord Costume on My Khajiit extends outwards when my body type is rather slim making it look like it's a life jacket or something. This isn't just 'baggy clothing' as that would not extend outwards away from my back and front and sides.










Look at how much it sticks out making it look like it is inflated.

In comparison, look how well it fits one of my female characters compared to normal:









When it is on the female models it molds to fit their shape, however when put on my Khajiit it looks completely ridiculous and either makes him look really fat with a weird body shape, or is wearing some kind of inflatable suit.

waterfairy

If I had a say in this armor design then I would lose the protruding hip flaps (seriously, these need to go on all armors), lose that out of place neck piece and make the fur lining beneath it the neck line...it would have some slight cleavage and the fur would sit nicely near the shoulder for some semblance of sex appeal without going boob window or looking ridiculous. I would also make the fingers free on the gloves or lose the gloves completely in favor of wrist bands.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.

*cheers*

nimander99

MornaBaine wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

This was all done in response to the numerous feminists who posted about how "skimpy" the female model armor was. And I suppose ZOS decided that their original armor models for female characters was too sexist. Thus the change. Once again, we have the feminists and forum complainers to blame.

I remember seeing no such posts. Please feel free to link them here for proof. I DO remember seeing MANY posts by women totally ticked off when they took away the old "sexy" Redguard Light.

[Edited to remove naming/shaming]

Yes I would like to know myself as in my experience no 3rd wave would ever do something in the open that could be done in secret

MornaBaine

adriant1978 wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Actually, what Gina was referring to in the quote above is something completely different than what is being discussed and reported in this thread. The removal of the "boob window" from certain light armor sets did not result in the odd female torso geometry you're seeing on certain light armor sets, and is not intended behavior. To be clear, when we say we're looking at making improvements to address this issue, we're not talking about putting "boob windows" back on certain light armor sets.

I don't think anyone here is asking for the "boob window" to return, but rather getting concerned about the "we no longer created custom female torsos for armor sets. Rather, we typically used the male torso piece to fit the female with some anatomical changes where they were necessary" part of the quote.

This is EXACTLY where my own "confusion" came from. We were told by Gina that they were no longer using female torsos to design armor and were simply "morphing" male armor onto the female bodies more or less. Then, when we saw how awful so much of the armor looks now, especially many of the newer styles, we assumed this was a direct result of that statement. Personally, I'd love a little clarification as to what Gina "really" meant.

MornaBaine

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.

Soooo.... since you guys are going to be working on armor ANYWAY...is there ANY chance we can do away with the godawful floating hip flaps??? And can we maybe have optional crotch and butt flaps? What's WITH all this "FLAPPINESS" in the first place fer pete's sake??? LOL And would you PLEASE consider some cloth robes with THIS neckline???

I mean why is this ONLY a Bosmer thing??? I would KILL for a cloth robe with the khajiit upper tier "fabric", the long bell sleeves of a Breton robe and THIS NECKLINE! Oh please, oh please oh pretty please??? AND NO hip flaps!!!!

And if there MUST be crotch flaps please make there ALSO be a butt flap. Either both or, better still, NEITHER! It's just REALLY weird when there's a front flap but no back flap.

Hey, it can't hurt to ask!

MornaBaine

And while we still have your attention... about the costumes in the Crown Store... They ALL "deform" bodies and use some sort of bizarre "preset" boDy type that has NOTHING to do with the body shapes we CHOSE in character creation. PLEASE look into that and make future offerings better. AND IN AT LEAST 3 COLOR CHOICES UNTIL YOU'VE FIGURED OUT HOW TO LET US DYE THEM!

RazielSR

Waffennacht wrote: »

Boobs or no boobs, the new armor looks horrid compared to the old ones. I thought this game was suppose to be over the top graphics and those look like they're from Turok

Lol!!! Why did you choose TUROK? I mean,Turok.

pffhahahah!! Dont know why...but it made me laugh a lot

GaldorP

There was a detailed post with 6 screenshots on this issue posted by @Faulgor on page 1 of the Official Feedback Thread for New Item Sets in the PTS forum. Posted on February 4.

Mysteri0n

This Game is Rated M, then why are they acting like its PG rated, I know several Ladies that play this game and wish the boob window in some styles would return, Redgaurd for example you get a sexy dance with it and yet the light armor looks like you are trying to hide yourself with a blanket

Inarre

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.

Its nice to see your response @ZOS_JessicaFolsom thanks for peaking in. I hope we get some semblance of shape back in the future.

Could you also ask the team to look at the way the new sets look on men? It isnt as popular as this subject, but even these sets seem a bit bloated. I suspect there was some change in general with armors because the kena shoulder and pouch on breton light armor also seem a but inflated.

Sorry to take this off topic, back to boobless wonders.

Edit: darn didnt see someone had beat me to it. I will post examples when i get home.

phreatophile

@MornaBaine You're so right about the flappies. I am tempted to buy the thoroughly disappointing and butchered compared to the trailer hero armor this month because it has a skirt and NO hip flaps.

Now if while they're fixing the barrel-chested female armor, they would only make SOME armor past level 26 that doesn't have those ugly bits, I'd be so thrilled.